Guest guest Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 your so mean Gene! LOL! Lee Re: DNR Again Ralph, Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to be safe. Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? GG In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time, rbr@... writes: Gene, Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal capacity " and is not legally mentally competent? Ralph , LP wegandy1938@... wrote: I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down. Gene G. In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time, supervisor@... writes: I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few opinions. Does anyone have any factual info? If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves? Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures clearly. http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem with these issues). If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the law, which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients. If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two physicians may execute the document. The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it. Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present mental capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the official DNR form. Best, GG Bullard BS, LP Training Coordinator Lubbock Aid Ambulance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 From: wegandy1938@... >>Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and >>a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and >>the other one does not. What then? >>GG Take a vote and let the majority rule, in this case, it would be one sibling and the mother against the other sibling. No need to worry about the mother being dead, she's a democrat, and we all know they vote years after they die..... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 From: wegandy1938@... >>Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and >>a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and >>the other one does not. What then? >>GG Take a vote and let the majority rule, in this case, it would be one sibling and the mother against the other sibling. No need to worry about the mother being dead, she's a democrat, and we all know they vote years after they die..... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 From: wegandy1938@... >>Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and >>a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and >>the other one does not. What then? >>GG Take a vote and let the majority rule, in this case, it would be one sibling and the mother against the other sibling. No need to worry about the mother being dead, she's a democrat, and we all know they vote years after they die..... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 If one family member objects to stopping CPR....then you continue with your efforts. Remember, cover your butt. Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... D. Stone wegandy1938@... wrote: Ralph, Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to be safe. Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 If one family member objects to stopping CPR....then you continue with your efforts. Remember, cover your butt. Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... D. Stone wegandy1938@... wrote: Ralph, Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to be safe. Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 If one family member objects to stopping CPR....then you continue with your efforts. Remember, cover your butt. Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... D. Stone wegandy1938@... wrote: Ralph, Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to be safe. Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? GG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? Well, While your crew (Hopefully more than 2) starts working the code, One person explains to the family (Both) the decision to start and then contact medical control. All it takes is just one to get it started. Unless the one saying no has paper work that says they are the sole decision maker. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu Learning Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? Well, While your crew (Hopefully more than 2) starts working the code, One person explains to the family (Both) the decision to start and then contact medical control. All it takes is just one to get it started. Unless the one saying no has paper work that says they are the sole decision maker. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu Learning Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? Well, While your crew (Hopefully more than 2) starts working the code, One person explains to the family (Both) the decision to start and then contact medical control. All it takes is just one to get it started. Unless the one saying no has paper work that says they are the sole decision maker. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu Learning Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 That's because Democrats have brains. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:36:00 AM Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: From: wegandy1938@... >>Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and >>a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and >>the other one does not. What then? >>GG Take a vote and let the majority rule, in this case, it would be one sibling and the mother against the other sibling. No need to worry about the mother being dead, she's a democrat, and we all know they vote years after they die..... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 That's because Democrats have brains. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:36:00 AM Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: From: wegandy1938@... >>Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and >>a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and >>the other one does not. What then? >>GG Take a vote and let the majority rule, in this case, it would be one sibling and the mother against the other sibling. No need to worry about the mother being dead, she's a democrat, and we all know they vote years after they die..... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 That's because Democrats have brains. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:36:00 AM Central Daylight Time, hatfield@... writes: From: wegandy1938@... >>Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and >>a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and >>the other one does not. What then? >>GG Take a vote and let the majority rule, in this case, it would be one sibling and the mother against the other sibling. No need to worry about the mother being dead, she's a democrat, and we all know they vote years after they die..... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Theoretically correct. Practical problem: Unless you know the people personally, you have to make sure that they are who they say they are. A durable power of attorney for health care must be executed in a certain way. There must be two witnesses to the execution of the document, one of which may not be: the person designated by the principal to make a health care decision on the principal's behalf; related to the principal by blood or marriage; the principal's attending physician or an employee of the attending physician; entitled to a part of the principal's estate; a person having a claim against the principal's estate; an employee of a health care facility in which the principal is a patient if the employee is providing direct care to the principal; or an officer, director, partner, or business office employee of the health care facility or of any parent organization of the health care facility. You wouldn't know whether or not the document was valid unless you knew all the parties and their circumstances. The witnesses are not generally on scene. It is normal to get strangers to act as the witnesses. So you wouldn't have any way to verify the validity of the instrument. What presumptions should you or could you make? Either that the document IS valid or that it is not. The safest thing to do is to continue resuscitation to the hospital and allow them to sort it out. The scene of a code is neither the time nor place to check out a document's validity. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 9:34:58 AM Central Daylight Time, FireMedic1633@... writes: Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? Well, While your crew (Hopefully more than 2) starts working the code, One person explains to the family (Both) the decision to start and then contact medical control. All it takes is just one to get it started. Unless the one saying no has paper work that says they are the sole decision maker. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu Learning Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Theoretically correct. Practical problem: Unless you know the people personally, you have to make sure that they are who they say they are. A durable power of attorney for health care must be executed in a certain way. There must be two witnesses to the execution of the document, one of which may not be: the person designated by the principal to make a health care decision on the principal's behalf; related to the principal by blood or marriage; the principal's attending physician or an employee of the attending physician; entitled to a part of the principal's estate; a person having a claim against the principal's estate; an employee of a health care facility in which the principal is a patient if the employee is providing direct care to the principal; or an officer, director, partner, or business office employee of the health care facility or of any parent organization of the health care facility. You wouldn't know whether or not the document was valid unless you knew all the parties and their circumstances. The witnesses are not generally on scene. It is normal to get strangers to act as the witnesses. So you wouldn't have any way to verify the validity of the instrument. What presumptions should you or could you make? Either that the document IS valid or that it is not. The safest thing to do is to continue resuscitation to the hospital and allow them to sort it out. The scene of a code is neither the time nor place to check out a document's validity. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 9:34:58 AM Central Daylight Time, FireMedic1633@... writes: Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? Well, While your crew (Hopefully more than 2) starts working the code, One person explains to the family (Both) the decision to start and then contact medical control. All it takes is just one to get it started. Unless the one saying no has paper work that says they are the sole decision maker. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu Learning Paramedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 In a message dated 7/24/04 8:48:28 AM Central Daylight Time, donnie7435@... writes: > Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... > and Trauma coordinators, and JCAHO inspectors, and the OIG, and the good folks at CMS, and ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 In a message dated 7/24/04 8:48:28 AM Central Daylight Time, donnie7435@... writes: > Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... > and Trauma coordinators, and JCAHO inspectors, and the OIG, and the good folks at CMS, and ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 In a message dated 7/24/04 8:48:28 AM Central Daylight Time, donnie7435@... writes: > Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... > and Trauma coordinators, and JCAHO inspectors, and the OIG, and the good folks at CMS, and ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Most doctors will treat the lawyers who get them out of their speeding tickets, handle their divorces and try to save their fortunes for them when their wife comes home early on Wednesday afternoon and catches them in bed with Nurse Barbie, and who set up their corporations for them and show them how to hide their assets in Grand Cayman. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:29:07 PM Central Daylight Time, lnmolino@... writes: In a message dated 7/24/2004 8:48:30 AM Central Daylight Time, donnie7435@... writes: Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... God I hope not! Besides some in the AMA say that DR's should not treat lawyers anyway right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Most doctors will treat the lawyers who get them out of their speeding tickets, handle their divorces and try to save their fortunes for them when their wife comes home early on Wednesday afternoon and catches them in bed with Nurse Barbie, and who set up their corporations for them and show them how to hide their assets in Grand Cayman. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:29:07 PM Central Daylight Time, lnmolino@... writes: In a message dated 7/24/2004 8:48:30 AM Central Daylight Time, donnie7435@... writes: Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... God I hope not! Besides some in the AMA say that DR's should not treat lawyers anyway right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Most doctors will treat the lawyers who get them out of their speeding tickets, handle their divorces and try to save their fortunes for them when their wife comes home early on Wednesday afternoon and catches them in bed with Nurse Barbie, and who set up their corporations for them and show them how to hide their assets in Grand Cayman. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:29:07 PM Central Daylight Time, lnmolino@... writes: In a message dated 7/24/2004 8:48:30 AM Central Daylight Time, donnie7435@... writes: Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... God I hope not! Besides some in the AMA say that DR's should not treat lawyers anyway right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Work it but watch your back. Re: DNR Again Ralph, Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to be safe. Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? GG In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time, rbr@... writes: Gene, Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal capacity " and is not legally mentally competent? Ralph , LP wegandy1938@... wrote: I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down. Gene G. In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time, supervisor@... writes: I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few opinions. Does anyone have any factual info? If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves? Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures clearly. http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem with these issues). If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the law, which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients. If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two physicians may execute the document. The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it. Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present mental capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the official DNR form. Best, GG Bullard BS, LP Training Coordinator Lubbock Aid Ambulance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Work it but watch your back. Re: DNR Again Ralph, Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to be safe. Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? GG In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time, rbr@... writes: Gene, Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal capacity " and is not legally mentally competent? Ralph , LP wegandy1938@... wrote: I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down. Gene G. In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time, supervisor@... writes: I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few opinions. Does anyone have any factual info? If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves? Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures clearly. http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem with these issues). If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the law, which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients. If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two physicians may execute the document. The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it. Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present mental capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the official DNR form. Best, GG Bullard BS, LP Training Coordinator Lubbock Aid Ambulance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Work it but watch your back. Re: DNR Again Ralph, Great question. I interpret the law to say " yes. " There have been no court decisions on that subject, so any answer that I give is presumptive, but on the theory of always working the code when in doubt, I would say work it to be safe. Now, I'll twist your mind a little bit. Let's say that there are a son and a daughter present who are both adults and one of them wants her worked and the other one does not. What then? GG In a message dated 7/23/2004 8:06:28 AM Central Daylight Time, rbr@... writes: Gene, Does this mean that if granny has a cardiac arrest with a DNR on hand, that her son can revoke it because she is no longer possess " present legal capacity " and is not legally mentally competent? Ralph , LP wegandy1938@... wrote: I'll try to guide y'all through an analysis of this. Scroll down. Gene G. In a message dated 7/22/2004 2:50:31 PM Central Daylight Time, supervisor@... writes: I've sent this out before, but received very little input other than a few opinions. Does anyone have any factual info? If a person signs a DNR while they are competent and able to make reasonable and informed decisions about their healthcare, can a family member or POA revoke or rescind that DNR later in the person's life when they are deemed to be incompetent or unable to decide for themselves? Go to this site and look at the form, and it will explain the procedures clearly. http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/dnr.pdf The patient may execute the DNR at a time when he is mentally competent (an incorrect term--the patient must possess " present legal capacity " as well as being legally mentally competent. Loose language has been an ongoing problem with these issues). If the patient is lacks the capacity to execute the DNR, it may be executed by anyone who has the legal right to make such a determination under the law, which is found in the Texas Family Code for Texas patients. If there are no patient surrogates available or they do not want to act, two physicians may execute the document. The DNR may be revoked by ANY of the persons qualified to execute it. Therefore, it a patient has executed a DNR at a time when he had present mental capacity and legal competence, but later becomes incompetent, any of the surrogates may revoke it. This is spelled out in detail on the back of the official DNR form. Best, GG Bullard BS, LP Training Coordinator Lubbock Aid Ambulance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 The two most lied about professions for emergency patients. ED Clerk: " What is your occupation? " Chiropractor: " Health care, sort of. " Lawyer: " Landscaping " Re: DNR Again Most doctors will treat the lawyers who get them out of their speeding tickets, handle their divorces and try to save their fortunes for them when their wife comes home early on Wednesday afternoon and catches them in bed with Nurse Barbie, and who set up their corporations for them and show them how to hide their assets in Grand Cayman. GG In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:29:07 PM Central Daylight Time, lnmolino@... writes: In a message dated 7/24/2004 8:48:30 AM Central Daylight Time, donnie7435@... writes: Now a days you aren't treating the patient, you are treating the lawyers.... God I hope not! Besides some in the AMA say that DR's should not treat lawyers anyway right? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Home Office) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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