RE: Re: Your a what? A Medic?

[Guest guest]

Crikey! As if we didn't have enough problems, now we're going to engage in

a battle to see who's the most pompus. " You called me medic, you little

germ. That's SIR, LICENSED PARAMEDIC, SIR! to you, worm. "

I know how to sort this out. Advanced First Aid 1st Responders will be

Privates or Grenadiers. ECAs will be Privates First Class. EMT-Basics will

be

Lance Corporals; EMT-Intermediates will be Oberfeldwebels. Certified

Paramedics will be called Obersturmfuhrer. Licensed Paramedics will be called

Hauptsturmfuhrer. Supervisors will be Sturmbannfuhrer, CEOs will be

Obersturmbannfuhrer, and General Managers will be Standartenfuhrer. Human

Resources

directors will be Grand Inquisitors.

A place for everyone, and everyone in its place.

Mr. Grady

Hauptsturmfuhrer Klugscheißer

In a message dated 9/15/2004 3:19:39 PM Central Daylight Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

" shah_emt " <shah_emt@y...> wrote:

> Just try calling yourself a nurse if you are a nurse-tech. You will

> not only only lose your job, but also face possible litigation.

Not always true. The vast majority of those being called " nurse " in

doctors office practices are actually only CMA's or RMA's. Nobody is

complaining or suing over that. There is no legal grounds. And I, as

an actual nurse, have not heard any outcry over the generic use of the

term in this setting.

I think there are millions of current and former military medics and

corpsmen -- myself included -- who would take offense to the

ny-come-lately field of civilian EMS attempting to hijack the term

for their own proprietary use.

is right. Inside EMS, the term has come to be used almost

exclusively to mean a Paramedic. But outside of our own elitist

circles, the general public and the rest of the medical community at

large tend to use " medic " to describe any ambulance driver.

Rob

[Guest guest]

I've held off as long as I can. Try this scenario:

You are working (as a Paramedic) at an accident with five patients. Most

have minor to moderate injuries, but the patient you are assigned to is

critical. While you set up to intubate you ask the person with " Medic " on

their nametag or badge to start an IV. Their response is, " I can't. I'm an

ECA " Similar scenarios have happened to me in the past.

Just a thought,

Neil

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

> In my humble opinion, I think that the term " medic " should be used

> broadly, encompassing anyone possessing pre-hospital emergency care

> certification, from ECA to LP. As for non-certified folk, they are

> still involved with the EMS system in one form or fashion, but I

> wouldn't venture to call them " medics. "

>

>

> -aro

>

>

> >

> > I've got an interesting question for all of you. I am possibly going

> > to transfer to Texas A & M spring and while looking up their EMS and

> > Emergency Care Team (A first responder type orginazation for people

> > that are certified and non-certified)... I noticed that almost

> > everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now when I think

> > of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an

> > EMT-P or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term should

> > be used only in referance to someone who is certified as a

> > Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? Most of the people, as far as

> > I know, that are on the care team are just trained in basic first

> > aid and CPR. Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to " talk down " to

> > these volunteers but rather, I'm trying to get an overall opinion on

> > using the term " Medic " . If you will visit the care team's website

> > you can look at some information and whatnot and come to your own

> > conclusion. I'd like to add that there are two different videos on

> > there availible to watch that are of two different mock MCI drills.

> > (The videos were produced wonderfully I think, but the MCI drills

> > don't look like they went to well. Everyone seemed to be lost as of

> > what to do, but again, thats just my opinion.) I appreciate and

> > welcome all comments and suggestions.

> > -Txbasic, EMT-I

> >

> > PS: Were any of you ever a part of the Texas A & M EMS? Or the

> > Recreational Sports Medics? I'd like to hear more if you were.

> > Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've held off as long as I can. Try this scenario:

You are working (as a Paramedic) at an accident with five patients. Most

have minor to moderate injuries, but the patient you are assigned to is

critical. While you set up to intubate you ask the person with " Medic " on

their nametag or badge to start an IV. Their response is, " I can't. I'm an

ECA " Similar scenarios have happened to me in the past.

Just a thought,

Neil

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

> In my humble opinion, I think that the term " medic " should be used

> broadly, encompassing anyone possessing pre-hospital emergency care

> certification, from ECA to LP. As for non-certified folk, they are

> still involved with the EMS system in one form or fashion, but I

> wouldn't venture to call them " medics. "

>

>

> -aro

>

>

> >

> > I've got an interesting question for all of you. I am possibly going

> > to transfer to Texas A & M spring and while looking up their EMS and

> > Emergency Care Team (A first responder type orginazation for people

> > that are certified and non-certified)... I noticed that almost

> > everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now when I think

> > of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an

> > EMT-P or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term should

> > be used only in referance to someone who is certified as a

> > Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? Most of the people, as far as

> > I know, that are on the care team are just trained in basic first

> > aid and CPR. Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to " talk down " to

> > these volunteers but rather, I'm trying to get an overall opinion on

> > using the term " Medic " . If you will visit the care team's website

> > you can look at some information and whatnot and come to your own

> > conclusion. I'd like to add that there are two different videos on

> > there availible to watch that are of two different mock MCI drills.

> > (The videos were produced wonderfully I think, but the MCI drills

> > don't look like they went to well. Everyone seemed to be lost as of

> > what to do, but again, thats just my opinion.) I appreciate and

> > welcome all comments and suggestions.

> > -Txbasic, EMT-I

> >

> > PS: Were any of you ever a part of the Texas A & M EMS? Or the

> > Recreational Sports Medics? I'd like to hear more if you were.

> > Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How COULD I have forgotten the Flugmeisters. Ach!

In a message dated 9/15/2004 11:58:02 PM Central Daylight Time,

lanelson1@... writes:

Don't forget Flugstrumbannfuhrers und Flugschwesterns.

[Guest guest]

Don't forget Flugstrumbannfuhrers und Flugschwesterns.

[Guest guest]

Don't forget Flugstrumbannfuhrers und Flugschwesterns.

[Guest guest]

Don't forget Flugstrumbannfuhrers und Flugschwesterns.

[Guest guest]

There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

Just try calling yourself a nurse if you are a nurse-tech. You will

not only only lose your job, but also face possible litigation.

That is an outcome of considering your line of work a profession, and

defending your position as a member of a profession.

Shahla

> med*ic1 or med*ick (mdk)

> n.

> Any of several Old World herbs of the genus Medicago in the pea

family, having clusters of small, usually yellow flowers and compound

leaves with three leaflets. Several species are important for fodder

and green manure.

> The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth

Edition

> Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

> Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

>

>

>

>

> >>> txbasic@y... 9/15/2004 12:27:36 PM >>>

>

>

>

> I've got an interesting question for all of you. I am possibly

going

> to transfer to Texas A & M spring and while looking up their EMS and

> Emergency Care Team (A first responder type orginazation for people

> that are certified and non-certified)... I noticed that almost

> everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now when I think

> of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an

> EMT-P or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term

should

> be used only in referance to someone who is certified as a

> Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? Most of the people, as far

as

> I know, that are on the care team are just trained in basic first

> aid and CPR. Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to " talk down "

to

> these volunteers but rather, I'm trying to get an overall opinion

on

> using the term " Medic " . If you will visit the care team's website

> you can look at some information and whatnot and come to your own

> conclusion. I'd like to add that there are two different videos on

> there availible to watch that are of two different mock MCI drills.

> (The videos were produced wonderfully I think, but the MCI drills

> don't look like they went to well. Everyone seemed to be lost as of

> what to do, but again, thats just my opinion.) I appreciate and

> welcome all comments and suggestions.

> -Txbasic, EMT-I

>

> PS: Were any of you ever a part of the Texas A & M EMS? Or the

> Recreational Sports Medics? I'd like to hear more if you were.

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

Just try calling yourself a nurse if you are a nurse-tech. You will

not only only lose your job, but also face possible litigation.

That is an outcome of considering your line of work a profession, and

defending your position as a member of a profession.

Shahla

> med*ic1 or med*ick (mdk)

> n.

> Any of several Old World herbs of the genus Medicago in the pea

family, having clusters of small, usually yellow flowers and compound

leaves with three leaflets. Several species are important for fodder

and green manure.

> The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth

Edition

> Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

> Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

>

>

>

>

> >>> txbasic@y... 9/15/2004 12:27:36 PM >>>

>

>

>

> I've got an interesting question for all of you. I am possibly

going

> to transfer to Texas A & M spring and while looking up their EMS and

> Emergency Care Team (A first responder type orginazation for people

> that are certified and non-certified)... I noticed that almost

> everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now when I think

> of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an

> EMT-P or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term

should

> be used only in referance to someone who is certified as a

> Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? Most of the people, as far

as

> I know, that are on the care team are just trained in basic first

> aid and CPR. Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to " talk down "

to

> these volunteers but rather, I'm trying to get an overall opinion

on

> using the term " Medic " . If you will visit the care team's website

> you can look at some information and whatnot and come to your own

> conclusion. I'd like to add that there are two different videos on

> there availible to watch that are of two different mock MCI drills.

> (The videos were produced wonderfully I think, but the MCI drills

> don't look like they went to well. Everyone seemed to be lost as of

> what to do, but again, thats just my opinion.) I appreciate and

> welcome all comments and suggestions.

> -Txbasic, EMT-I

>

> PS: Were any of you ever a part of the Texas A & M EMS? Or the

> Recreational Sports Medics? I'd like to hear more if you were.

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

Just try calling yourself a nurse if you are a nurse-tech. You will

not only only lose your job, but also face possible litigation.

That is an outcome of considering your line of work a profession, and

defending your position as a member of a profession.

Shahla

> med*ic1 or med*ick (mdk)

> n.

> Any of several Old World herbs of the genus Medicago in the pea

family, having clusters of small, usually yellow flowers and compound

leaves with three leaflets. Several species are important for fodder

and green manure.

> The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth

Edition

> Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

> Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

>

>

>

>

> >>> txbasic@y... 9/15/2004 12:27:36 PM >>>

>

>

>

> I've got an interesting question for all of you. I am possibly

going

> to transfer to Texas A & M spring and while looking up their EMS and

> Emergency Care Team (A first responder type orginazation for people

> that are certified and non-certified)... I noticed that almost

> everyone on the ECT called themselves " Medics " . Now when I think

> of " Medic " I assume you are referring to someone who is either an

> EMT-P or an LP. In my humble opinion I believe that that term

should

> be used only in referance to someone who is certified as a

> Paramedic. What is yalls take on that? Most of the people, as far

as

> I know, that are on the care team are just trained in basic first

> aid and CPR. Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to " talk down "

to

> these volunteers but rather, I'm trying to get an overall opinion

on

> using the term " Medic " . If you will visit the care team's website

> you can look at some information and whatnot and come to your own

> conclusion. I'd like to add that there are two different videos on

> there availible to watch that are of two different mock MCI drills.

> (The videos were produced wonderfully I think, but the MCI drills

> don't look like they went to well. Everyone seemed to be lost as of

> what to do, but again, thats just my opinion.) I appreciate and

> welcome all comments and suggestions.

> -Txbasic, EMT-I

>

> PS: Were any of you ever a part of the Texas A & M EMS? Or the

> Recreational Sports Medics? I'd like to hear more if you were.

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

aint it the truth!

Re: Re: Your a what? A Medic?

>

> In a message dated 9/16/2004 11:41:10 AM Central Daylight Time,

> rsdrn@... writes:

> Ha! Let us not overlook the origins of the term. I would think that

> since those degreed " engineers " do not actually drive an engine (Fire,

> train, or otherwise), that they are just as guilty of misrepresentation.

>

> Rob

> And what bearing does that have on the laws interpretation today? I am

sure

> the good barristers on this list would tell anyone albeit privately that

common

> sense and the truth have no place in today's courts!

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@...

> (Home Office)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization

> that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain

by the original

> author.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

aint it the truth!

Re: Re: Your a what? A Medic?

>

> In a message dated 9/16/2004 11:41:10 AM Central Daylight Time,

> rsdrn@... writes:

> Ha! Let us not overlook the origins of the term. I would think that

> since those degreed " engineers " do not actually drive an engine (Fire,

> train, or otherwise), that they are just as guilty of misrepresentation.

>

> Rob

> And what bearing does that have on the laws interpretation today? I am

sure

> the good barristers on this list would tell anyone albeit privately that

common

> sense and the truth have no place in today's courts!

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@...

> (Home Office)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization

> that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain

by the original

> author.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting.... in the days before the interstate highway system fire

apparatus were often transported long distances on railroads.....

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

" , " <jamesdav@b...> wrote:

>

> There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

> municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

> drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

Ha! Let us not overlook the origins of the term. I would think that

since those degreed " engineers " do not actually drive an engine (Fire,

train, or otherwise), that they are just as guilty of misrepresentation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Interesting.... in the days before the interstate highway system fire

apparatus were often transported long distances on railroads.....

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

" , " <jamesdav@b...> wrote:

>

> There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

> municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

> drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

Ha! Let us not overlook the origins of the term. I would think that

since those degreed " engineers " do not actually drive an engine (Fire,

train, or otherwise), that they are just as guilty of misrepresentation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Interesting.... in the days before the interstate highway system fire

apparatus were often transported long distances on railroads.....

B. , AAS, LP

Baylor Regional Medical Center at Grapevine

EMS Educator

Baylor EMS Medical Control

1601 Lancaster Drive Suite #10

Grapevine, Tx 76051-3300

Office

Direct Line

Fax

Cell

Pager

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

" , " <jamesdav@b...> wrote:

>

> There have been some issues regarding engineering societies suing

> municipalities for using " engineer " as the title of the person who

> drives the fire apparatus because they were not degreed engineers.

Ha! Let us not overlook the origins of the term. I would think that

since those degreed " engineers " do not actually drive an engine (Fire,

train, or otherwise), that they are just as guilty of misrepresentation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

See below original message.

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

Howdy txbasic. If you do decide to come to school here you might as

well get used to that " Howdy " thing. Normally I just read this list

and don't contribute too much but this calls for a response. To give

you a little background on me, all total including my days as a

volunteer I have been involved in emergency services for over 24

years now. That is probably longer that you have been alive. The

last 18 have been at Texas A & M University. During that time I have

had the privilege to meet a lot of folks that were either on the Care

Team, TAMUEMS, Rec. Sports Medics or any combination of the three

services. All though there have always been differences of opinions

and politics and little in fights that always happen. It has been

the most rewarding experience for me to watch these folks grow to the

heights that they do. BTW be careful about disrespecting any of

these groups on this list serve. Many of these former members are

out there in important positions. It's likely you may have one as

your boss if not your big boss some day. On that note you were very

smart not to include your real name in your post. I will give you

that. As far as only referring to a person that provides pre-

hospital care as a " medic " if they are a Paramedic. OK... I'm

listening. What would you suggest we call all the other hard working

folks in this endeavor? This person has a small laceration on his

hand can I get a _____ over here to help him? Maybe we can call

them " not so much a medic? I am thinking it will be hard to fit

that on a badge or shirt or patch. As far as the MCI video you

watched goes. Yup they were not that good at it although I am glad

you complemented the person that produced the video. He is a very

cool guy and does good work and I would give him the shirt off my

back if he needed it. The mock itself was a learning experience.

The people conducting it did everything they could to produce a scene

of stress, disorganization and disarray. The people that were being

the providers were being asked to perform way above their training

and experience level. Don't get too concerned here the patients were

not really hurt and they got free food afterwards. That is why it is

called a mock. By the way the member I referred to above also

produces the excellent web page you were looking at. If you do go

back and check it out you will have to admit he does a good job. As

far as TAMECT, TAMUEMS, and yes REC sports medics along with a lot of

other folks goes I am convinced that they can handle a real MCI very

well. I know this. I was standing at the site of a major one at its

onset and there for the grace of god I was just a witness and

provider instead of a patient or one of the 12 really decent

students, friends, and family that lost there lives that morning.

Good luck in your future plans but you should be very careful about

criticizing something when your only research is based on some very

broad assumptions you have made after looking at a web page for a

short time.

Park " Sparky " Knight

------------------------------------------------------

Wow-

Your left-handed " howdy " sure did make a nice introduction to what was

otherwise a very condescending and threatening post. Txbasic did nothing

other than to ask a thoughtful question and offer some well-meaning comments

regarding what he saw on a web page. I am somewhat miffed that you would

construe that as an attack, but some people just feel like they need to

malign the comments of others for reasons that I don't quite understand.

I am really glad that you have been involved with emergency services for

such a long time, but if you were trying to assert that this fact somehow

makes you superior to another person, you have fallen victim to some

seriously flawed logic. Just because you have done something for a long

time certainly does NOT mean that you are good at doing it. The great

thing about this list is that most people try to judge a person's thoughts

and ideas on their merits rather than trying to shoot them down due to

personal insecurities. The fact of the matter is, if you resort to using

the " length of time served " card as a means of criticizing someone else's

point of view, you probably don't have anything worthwhile to add to the

discussion anyway. As for the litany of thinly veiled threats purported to

be friendly advice, I think they demonstrate all the maturity of a twelve

year old. If you really believe that " important people " will overreact to

such benign discussion in the way that you have, my name is Lancaster

and my EMS ID# is 150536. Feel free to pass that along.

Txbasic- Some words of encouragement... Don't let other people dissuade

you from continuing your activity in the discussions on this list. I used

to be deferential to more experienced persons to the point that I just kept

my mouth shut. Now I am appropriately deferential so as not to be arrogant,

but I am more confident in my ability to engage in discussion and, when

appropriate, openly disagree with people who have been doing this a hell of

a lot longer than I have.

On another note...

Gene and EMSAT proponents- You know, when you're right, you're right

(thanks Grote). I am with you 100%. I honestly regret that I have

been unable to send in my membership dues (even though the price is very

reasonable), but as a struggling student who is pursuing other educational

objectives, I am simply unable to do so at this time. It had been on my

list of things to do, but I just returned to work after six weeks with no

pay due to a broken wrist, and unfortunately, it has gotten bumped back

again. I did fire off a couple of letters to Sens. Hutchison and Cornyn

regarding S. 2351, so I hope that will help in spite of the fact that I am

not a member.

I understand that some people are reluctant to join. Hell, I don't agree

with all of EMSAT's positions (National Scope of Practice position for

example), but the great thing is that if you are a member, you have a voice

to be a part of the decision-making process. The good far outweighs the

bad.

So keep up the good work and thanks for the leadership.

-

[Guest guest]

See below original message.

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

Howdy txbasic. If you do decide to come to school here you might as

well get used to that " Howdy " thing. Normally I just read this list

and don't contribute too much but this calls for a response. To give

you a little background on me, all total including my days as a

volunteer I have been involved in emergency services for over 24

years now. That is probably longer that you have been alive. The

last 18 have been at Texas A & M University. During that time I have

had the privilege to meet a lot of folks that were either on the Care

Team, TAMUEMS, Rec. Sports Medics or any combination of the three

services. All though there have always been differences of opinions

and politics and little in fights that always happen. It has been

the most rewarding experience for me to watch these folks grow to the

heights that they do. BTW be careful about disrespecting any of

these groups on this list serve. Many of these former members are

out there in important positions. It's likely you may have one as

your boss if not your big boss some day. On that note you were very

smart not to include your real name in your post. I will give you

that. As far as only referring to a person that provides pre-

hospital care as a " medic " if they are a Paramedic. OK... I'm

listening. What would you suggest we call all the other hard working

folks in this endeavor? This person has a small laceration on his

hand can I get a _____ over here to help him? Maybe we can call

them " not so much a medic? I am thinking it will be hard to fit

that on a badge or shirt or patch. As far as the MCI video you

watched goes. Yup they were not that good at it although I am glad

you complemented the person that produced the video. He is a very

cool guy and does good work and I would give him the shirt off my

back if he needed it. The mock itself was a learning experience.

The people conducting it did everything they could to produce a scene

of stress, disorganization and disarray. The people that were being

the providers were being asked to perform way above their training

and experience level. Don't get too concerned here the patients were

not really hurt and they got free food afterwards. That is why it is

called a mock. By the way the member I referred to above also

produces the excellent web page you were looking at. If you do go

back and check it out you will have to admit he does a good job. As

far as TAMECT, TAMUEMS, and yes REC sports medics along with a lot of

other folks goes I am convinced that they can handle a real MCI very

well. I know this. I was standing at the site of a major one at its

onset and there for the grace of god I was just a witness and

provider instead of a patient or one of the 12 really decent

students, friends, and family that lost there lives that morning.

Good luck in your future plans but you should be very careful about

criticizing something when your only research is based on some very

broad assumptions you have made after looking at a web page for a

short time.

Park " Sparky " Knight

------------------------------------------------------

Wow-

Your left-handed " howdy " sure did make a nice introduction to what was

otherwise a very condescending and threatening post. Txbasic did nothing

other than to ask a thoughtful question and offer some well-meaning comments

regarding what he saw on a web page. I am somewhat miffed that you would

construe that as an attack, but some people just feel like they need to

malign the comments of others for reasons that I don't quite understand.

I am really glad that you have been involved with emergency services for

such a long time, but if you were trying to assert that this fact somehow

makes you superior to another person, you have fallen victim to some

seriously flawed logic. Just because you have done something for a long

time certainly does NOT mean that you are good at doing it. The great

thing about this list is that most people try to judge a person's thoughts

and ideas on their merits rather than trying to shoot them down due to

personal insecurities. The fact of the matter is, if you resort to using

the " length of time served " card as a means of criticizing someone else's

point of view, you probably don't have anything worthwhile to add to the

discussion anyway. As for the litany of thinly veiled threats purported to

be friendly advice, I think they demonstrate all the maturity of a twelve

year old. If you really believe that " important people " will overreact to

such benign discussion in the way that you have, my name is Lancaster

and my EMS ID# is 150536. Feel free to pass that along.

Txbasic- Some words of encouragement... Don't let other people dissuade

you from continuing your activity in the discussions on this list. I used

to be deferential to more experienced persons to the point that I just kept

my mouth shut. Now I am appropriately deferential so as not to be arrogant,

but I am more confident in my ability to engage in discussion and, when

appropriate, openly disagree with people who have been doing this a hell of

a lot longer than I have.

On another note...

Gene and EMSAT proponents- You know, when you're right, you're right

(thanks Grote). I am with you 100%. I honestly regret that I have

been unable to send in my membership dues (even though the price is very

reasonable), but as a struggling student who is pursuing other educational

objectives, I am simply unable to do so at this time. It had been on my

list of things to do, but I just returned to work after six weeks with no

pay due to a broken wrist, and unfortunately, it has gotten bumped back

again. I did fire off a couple of letters to Sens. Hutchison and Cornyn

regarding S. 2351, so I hope that will help in spite of the fact that I am

not a member.

I understand that some people are reluctant to join. Hell, I don't agree

with all of EMSAT's positions (National Scope of Practice position for

example), but the great thing is that if you are a member, you have a voice

to be a part of the decision-making process. The good far outweighs the

bad.

So keep up the good work and thanks for the leadership.

-

[Guest guest]

See below original message.

Re: Your a what? A Medic?

Howdy txbasic. If you do decide to come to school here you might as

well get used to that " Howdy " thing. Normally I just read this list

and don't contribute too much but this calls for a response. To give

you a little background on me, all total including my days as a

volunteer I have been involved in emergency services for over 24

years now. That is probably longer that you have been alive. The

last 18 have been at Texas A & M University. During that time I have

had the privilege to meet a lot of folks that were either on the Care

Team, TAMUEMS, Rec. Sports Medics or any combination of the three

services. All though there have always been differences of opinions

and politics and little in fights that always happen. It has been

the most rewarding experience for me to watch these folks grow to the

heights that they do. BTW be careful about disrespecting any of

these groups on this list serve. Many of these former members are

out there in important positions. It's likely you may have one as

your boss if not your big boss some day. On that note you were very

smart not to include your real name in your post. I will give you

that. As far as only referring to a person that provides pre-

hospital care as a " medic " if they are a Paramedic. OK... I'm

listening. What would you suggest we call all the other hard working

folks in this endeavor? This person has a small laceration on his

hand can I get a _____ over here to help him? Maybe we can call

them " not so much a medic? I am thinking it will be hard to fit

that on a badge or shirt or patch. As far as the MCI video you

watched goes. Yup they were not that good at it although I am glad

you complemented the person that produced the video. He is a very

cool guy and does good work and I would give him the shirt off my

back if he needed it. The mock itself was a learning experience.

The people conducting it did everything they could to produce a scene

of stress, disorganization and disarray. The people that were being

the providers were being asked to perform way above their training

and experience level. Don't get too concerned here the patients were

not really hurt and they got free food afterwards. That is why it is

called a mock. By the way the member I referred to above also

produces the excellent web page you were looking at. If you do go

back and check it out you will have to admit he does a good job. As

far as TAMECT, TAMUEMS, and yes REC sports medics along with a lot of

other folks goes I am convinced that they can handle a real MCI very

well. I know this. I was standing at the site of a major one at its

onset and there for the grace of god I was just a witness and

provider instead of a patient or one of the 12 really decent

students, friends, and family that lost there lives that morning.

Good luck in your future plans but you should be very careful about

criticizing something when your only research is based on some very

broad assumptions you have made after looking at a web page for a

short time.

Park " Sparky " Knight

------------------------------------------------------

Wow-

Your left-handed " howdy " sure did make a nice introduction to what was

otherwise a very condescending and threatening post. Txbasic did nothing

other than to ask a thoughtful question and offer some well-meaning comments

regarding what he saw on a web page. I am somewhat miffed that you would

construe that as an attack, but some people just feel like they need to

malign the comments of others for reasons that I don't quite understand.

I am really glad that you have been involved with emergency services for

such a long time, but if you were trying to assert that this fact somehow

makes you superior to another person, you have fallen victim to some

seriously flawed logic. Just because you have done something for a long

time certainly does NOT mean that you are good at doing it. The great

thing about this list is that most people try to judge a person's thoughts

and ideas on their merits rather than trying to shoot them down due to

personal insecurities. The fact of the matter is, if you resort to using

the " length of time served " card as a means of criticizing someone else's

point of view, you probably don't have anything worthwhile to add to the

discussion anyway. As for the litany of thinly veiled threats purported to

be friendly advice, I think they demonstrate all the maturity of a twelve

year old. If you really believe that " important people " will overreact to

such benign discussion in the way that you have, my name is Lancaster

and my EMS ID# is 150536. Feel free to pass that along.

Txbasic- Some words of encouragement... Don't let other people dissuade

you from continuing your activity in the discussions on this list. I used

to be deferential to more experienced persons to the point that I just kept

my mouth shut. Now I am appropriately deferential so as not to be arrogant,

but I am more confident in my ability to engage in discussion and, when

appropriate, openly disagree with people who have been doing this a hell of

a lot longer than I have.

On another note...

Gene and EMSAT proponents- You know, when you're right, you're right

(thanks Grote). I am with you 100%. I honestly regret that I have

been unable to send in my membership dues (even though the price is very

reasonable), but as a struggling student who is pursuing other educational

objectives, I am simply unable to do so at this time. It had been on my

list of things to do, but I just returned to work after six weeks with no

pay due to a broken wrist, and unfortunately, it has gotten bumped back

again. I did fire off a couple of letters to Sens. Hutchison and Cornyn

regarding S. 2351, so I hope that will help in spite of the fact that I am

not a member.

I understand that some people are reluctant to join. Hell, I don't agree

with all of EMSAT's positions (National Scope of Practice position for

example), but the great thing is that if you are a member, you have a voice

to be a part of the decision-making process. The good far outweighs the

bad.

So keep up the good work and thanks for the leadership.

-

[Guest guest]

I agree. Railroad engineer/railroad engineer. Which one drives the train,

which one builds the tracks? It is all in the context.

Chris

[Guest guest]

I agree. Railroad engineer/railroad engineer. Which one drives the train,

which one builds the tracks? It is all in the context.

Chris

[Guest guest]

I agree. Railroad engineer/railroad engineer. Which one drives the train,

which one builds the tracks? It is all in the context.

Chris

[Guest guest]

One other piece of history on this...about 1 to 2 years ago, the American

Ambulance Association (AAA) adopted a position to refer to all EMS and/or

ambulance personnel as " medics " regardless of their certification. This was

done to standardize what people were called across the nation.

It was felt, I believe, that this would give a name to whoever was in the news

story or government report, without offending like some names do (ambulance

driver, cot jockey, etc).

Dudley

[Guest guest]

One other piece of history on this...about 1 to 2 years ago, the American

Ambulance Association (AAA) adopted a position to refer to all EMS and/or

ambulance personnel as " medics " regardless of their certification. This was

done to standardize what people were called across the nation.

It was felt, I believe, that this would give a name to whoever was in the news

story or government report, without offending like some names do (ambulance

driver, cot jockey, etc).

Dudley

[Guest guest]

One other piece of history on this...about 1 to 2 years ago, the American

Ambulance Association (AAA) adopted a position to refer to all EMS and/or

ambulance personnel as " medics " regardless of their certification. This was

done to standardize what people were called across the nation.

It was felt, I believe, that this would give a name to whoever was in the news

story or government report, without offending like some names do (ambulance

driver, cot jockey, etc).

Dudley

[Guest guest]

How dare you utter the phrase " Cot-Jockey " ! That's " Stretcher-Fetcher " to

you, thank you very much.

Seriously though: I remember SOMEBODY coming out with a statement to that

effect in a position paper, but had forgotten who or when.

Barry E. McClung, EMT-P

_____

From: THEDUDMAN@...

Sent: Monday, 20 September, 2004 12:31

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Your a what? A Medic?

One other piece of history on this...about 1 to 2 years ago, the American

Ambulance Association (AAA) adopted a position to refer to all EMS and/or

ambulance personnel as " medics " regardless of their certification. This was

done to standardize what people were called across the nation.

It was felt, I believe, that this would give a name to whoever was in the

news story or government report, without offending like some names do

(ambulance driver, cot jockey, etc).

Dudley