Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/2001 10:41:53 PM Central Standard Time, watts_pete@... writes: > > I hope you dont mind me saying that I led you to this list after > debating an AA supporter on the Reality_Check list. If you get that > campaign going, I'd like to make a modest claim to a small part in it > starting! > Sure! :-) And thanks for cluing me in on the list. ~~~eric " We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers " . --Carl Sagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 Hi, That was fun to read. You can make your introduction whenever you want, but I think AA/religion is pretty common conversation on this list! Its funny how every line of that prayer just reeks of God, especially the male xtian God. But you are free to come up with your own, oh yeah. Lord's prayer > I'm going to introduce myself in what promises to be a long post, but since > I don't have time right now, I want to jump in on a thread y'all are > talking about: AA/religion. > > Saying the Lord's prayer at the end of every AA meeting bothers the hell > out of me, especially since it's quasi mandatory. > > Our Father--presupposes that the Almighty/Higher Power is male, not > allowing for goddesses/feminine spirits--and if the group is your HP, how > the hell are you praying to Our Father? Is the group your father? > > Who Art in Heaven--presupposes that there is a heaven (and, one would > assume, a hell) and that the deity sits up there > > Hallowed be thy name--if the group is your HP, why should " Serenity Group " > or " Lesbian 12 Steppers " be hallowed? > > Thy kingdom come--assumes that God/Jesus/et al will come to reign, as per > the Christian/Hebrew/Islamic texts. > > Thy will be done, On earth as it is in Heaven.--okay, I won't quibble with > this. Let go, Let God, and all. > > Give us this day our daily bread--who says the HP gives you bread? Every AA > meeting I've been to, they pass the hat, *wanting* money, not giving it > out. Again, supposes a supreme being who " gives " us our necessities. > > And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against > us--Okay, this is pretty much in line with AA philosophy--assuming there is > a Higher Power, it's okay to ask that HP--even if it's the group--to > forgive you your wrongs, and state that you will attempt to forgive others > of their wrongs. > > And lead us not into temptation--what, so it's God/the HIgher Power who's > tempting us with alcohol?? What a SOB! If it's so easy not to be " led " into > temptation, why the heck is the HP leading us into it? > > But deliver us from evil--as though it was God's/the HP's doing to get us > away from bad influences, or evil people, words, or deeds > > For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, Forever and ever, > Amen.--Whew. Well that pretty much shuts me and my belief system out of the > picture. What kingdom? What power? What glory? How many glorious AA groups > do you know of? > > When I first started going to AA with my boyfriend, I raised the difficulty > of being atheist/agnostic and trying to work t he 12 steps. Read chapter 3, > I was told. The answer is there. Well, chapter 3, condensed, is: find God. > Believe. Sorry, I've read, studied, and worked on this for 25 years now, > and there ain't no god, not for me, anyways. So I immediately felt shut out > of AA. I've had long discussions with AA fanatics, who rail against me, > saying that it's a defect of character that I don't believe in a god, that > it's my pride, which will lead to my ultimate downfall. I've had people > criticize me because I spoke up about being uncomfortable when the Lord's > prayer was said. Just accept it, they said. Why? IF I were to accept a > higher power, it sure as hell wouldn't be male. Why should I pray to Our > Father? > > Anyway, like I said, I'll introduce myself a while later. I subscribe to > over a dozen email lists and get well over 200 emails per day, so I'm not > sure how active I'll be able to be in this group. But I would like to share > my story, some thoughts, and turn to others to see how you've dealt with > the same issues and thoughts (I know that's a terribly AA type of concept, > but it is one of the values I see in AA.) > > Take care, > Dixie > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 Hi, That was fun to read. You can make your introduction whenever you want, but I think AA/religion is pretty common conversation on this list! Its funny how every line of that prayer just reeks of God, especially the male xtian God. But you are free to come up with your own, oh yeah. Lord's prayer > I'm going to introduce myself in what promises to be a long post, but since > I don't have time right now, I want to jump in on a thread y'all are > talking about: AA/religion. > > Saying the Lord's prayer at the end of every AA meeting bothers the hell > out of me, especially since it's quasi mandatory. > > Our Father--presupposes that the Almighty/Higher Power is male, not > allowing for goddesses/feminine spirits--and if the group is your HP, how > the hell are you praying to Our Father? Is the group your father? > > Who Art in Heaven--presupposes that there is a heaven (and, one would > assume, a hell) and that the deity sits up there > > Hallowed be thy name--if the group is your HP, why should " Serenity Group " > or " Lesbian 12 Steppers " be hallowed? > > Thy kingdom come--assumes that God/Jesus/et al will come to reign, as per > the Christian/Hebrew/Islamic texts. > > Thy will be done, On earth as it is in Heaven.--okay, I won't quibble with > this. Let go, Let God, and all. > > Give us this day our daily bread--who says the HP gives you bread? Every AA > meeting I've been to, they pass the hat, *wanting* money, not giving it > out. Again, supposes a supreme being who " gives " us our necessities. > > And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against > us--Okay, this is pretty much in line with AA philosophy--assuming there is > a Higher Power, it's okay to ask that HP--even if it's the group--to > forgive you your wrongs, and state that you will attempt to forgive others > of their wrongs. > > And lead us not into temptation--what, so it's God/the HIgher Power who's > tempting us with alcohol?? What a SOB! If it's so easy not to be " led " into > temptation, why the heck is the HP leading us into it? > > But deliver us from evil--as though it was God's/the HP's doing to get us > away from bad influences, or evil people, words, or deeds > > For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, Forever and ever, > Amen.--Whew. Well that pretty much shuts me and my belief system out of the > picture. What kingdom? What power? What glory? How many glorious AA groups > do you know of? > > When I first started going to AA with my boyfriend, I raised the difficulty > of being atheist/agnostic and trying to work t he 12 steps. Read chapter 3, > I was told. The answer is there. Well, chapter 3, condensed, is: find God. > Believe. Sorry, I've read, studied, and worked on this for 25 years now, > and there ain't no god, not for me, anyways. So I immediately felt shut out > of AA. I've had long discussions with AA fanatics, who rail against me, > saying that it's a defect of character that I don't believe in a god, that > it's my pride, which will lead to my ultimate downfall. I've had people > criticize me because I spoke up about being uncomfortable when the Lord's > prayer was said. Just accept it, they said. Why? IF I were to accept a > higher power, it sure as hell wouldn't be male. Why should I pray to Our > Father? > > Anyway, like I said, I'll introduce myself a while later. I subscribe to > over a dozen email lists and get well over 200 emails per day, so I'm not > sure how active I'll be able to be in this group. But I would like to share > my story, some thoughts, and turn to others to see how you've dealt with > the same issues and thoughts (I know that's a terribly AA type of concept, > but it is one of the values I see in AA.) > > Take care, > Dixie > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 Hi, That was fun to read. You can make your introduction whenever you want, but I think AA/religion is pretty common conversation on this list! Its funny how every line of that prayer just reeks of God, especially the male xtian God. But you are free to come up with your own, oh yeah. Lord's prayer > I'm going to introduce myself in what promises to be a long post, but since > I don't have time right now, I want to jump in on a thread y'all are > talking about: AA/religion. > > Saying the Lord's prayer at the end of every AA meeting bothers the hell > out of me, especially since it's quasi mandatory. > > Our Father--presupposes that the Almighty/Higher Power is male, not > allowing for goddesses/feminine spirits--and if the group is your HP, how > the hell are you praying to Our Father? Is the group your father? > > Who Art in Heaven--presupposes that there is a heaven (and, one would > assume, a hell) and that the deity sits up there > > Hallowed be thy name--if the group is your HP, why should " Serenity Group " > or " Lesbian 12 Steppers " be hallowed? > > Thy kingdom come--assumes that God/Jesus/et al will come to reign, as per > the Christian/Hebrew/Islamic texts. > > Thy will be done, On earth as it is in Heaven.--okay, I won't quibble with > this. Let go, Let God, and all. > > Give us this day our daily bread--who says the HP gives you bread? Every AA > meeting I've been to, they pass the hat, *wanting* money, not giving it > out. Again, supposes a supreme being who " gives " us our necessities. > > And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against > us--Okay, this is pretty much in line with AA philosophy--assuming there is > a Higher Power, it's okay to ask that HP--even if it's the group--to > forgive you your wrongs, and state that you will attempt to forgive others > of their wrongs. > > And lead us not into temptation--what, so it's God/the HIgher Power who's > tempting us with alcohol?? What a SOB! If it's so easy not to be " led " into > temptation, why the heck is the HP leading us into it? > > But deliver us from evil--as though it was God's/the HP's doing to get us > away from bad influences, or evil people, words, or deeds > > For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, Forever and ever, > Amen.--Whew. Well that pretty much shuts me and my belief system out of the > picture. What kingdom? What power? What glory? How many glorious AA groups > do you know of? > > When I first started going to AA with my boyfriend, I raised the difficulty > of being atheist/agnostic and trying to work t he 12 steps. Read chapter 3, > I was told. The answer is there. Well, chapter 3, condensed, is: find God. > Believe. Sorry, I've read, studied, and worked on this for 25 years now, > and there ain't no god, not for me, anyways. So I immediately felt shut out > of AA. I've had long discussions with AA fanatics, who rail against me, > saying that it's a defect of character that I don't believe in a god, that > it's my pride, which will lead to my ultimate downfall. I've had people > criticize me because I spoke up about being uncomfortable when the Lord's > prayer was said. Just accept it, they said. Why? IF I were to accept a > higher power, it sure as hell wouldn't be male. Why should I pray to Our > Father? > > Anyway, like I said, I'll introduce myself a while later. I subscribe to > over a dozen email lists and get well over 200 emails per day, so I'm not > sure how active I'll be able to be in this group. But I would like to share > my story, some thoughts, and turn to others to see how you've dealt with > the same issues and thoughts (I know that's a terribly AA type of concept, > but it is one of the values I see in AA.) > > Take care, > Dixie > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 Hi Dixie, > Saying the Lord's prayer at the end of every AA meeting bothers the hell > out of me, especially since it's quasi mandatory. > It's supposed to bother the Hell out of you [sorry, couldn't resist]. This was probably my favorite part, but then I'm Christian. I do remember getting the evil eye because I would sometimes not hold hands and would stand outside of the circle. I would not have felt comfortable saying a Muslim prayer. > Our Father--presupposes that the Almighty/Higher Power is male, not > allowing for goddesses/feminine spirits--and if the group is your HP, how > the hell are you praying to Our Father? Is the group your father? If you dwell on all of the contradictions, lies, and doublespeak found in AA, it will drive you crazy (and then you have to take medication for the rest of your life). During mass at a Catholic church with a strong feminist presence you can sometimes spot a vocal group of women (nuns?) loudly changing the words to every prayer, substituting the femenine for every masculine reference. The Lord's Prayer, or Our Father, is the most important prayer in christianity. The protestant version is the one used in AA. They are the same except Catholics omit, " For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, Forever and ever, Amen. " AA denies being religious. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > I'm going to introduce myself in what promises to be a long post, but since > I don't have time right now, I want to jump in on a thread y'all are > talking about: AA/religion. > > Saying the Lord's prayer at the end of every AA meeting bothers the hell > out of me, especially since it's quasi mandatory. > ----------------- Hi Dixie, welcome to 12-s-f. Good post, but in all fairness there is not only nothing " mandatory " about saying the so-called " Lord's Prayer " in AA meetings, but it is my undertanding that this is not done outside of the U.S. There is an Australian guy on the Delphi board named Aussie Chuck who has expressed vehement disagreement with the American practice of reciting this Christian prayer at meetings, and especially while holding and waving hands hypnotically. Apparently there is a bit less blatant Christianity in Australian AA. One other point -- you say > > Thy kingdom come--assumes that God/Jesus/et al will come to reign, as per > the Christian/Hebrew/Islamic texts. > Please be aware that the so-called " Lord's Prayer " is a specifically Christian prayer, from the Christian holy book known as " New Testament " , and attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. There is NO corresponding text in the Jewish or Islamic faiths. In fact I can assure you that most of the sentiment expressed in this prayer is completely contrary to Jewish theology. 12-Step ideology itself is religious, completely aside from whether or not the " Lord's Prayer " is recited at any particular meeting, and conflicts with religious faiths which emphasize free will and personal responsibilty. But anyway, the point is that many people of various religious faiths (as well as atheists of course) simply do not believe that religion has anything to do with discontinuing an unhealthy drinking pattern, and would rather keep their religious observance entirely separate from their " recovery " . ~Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > I'm going to introduce myself in what promises to be a long post, but since > I don't have time right now, I want to jump in on a thread y'all are > talking about: AA/religion. > > Saying the Lord's prayer at the end of every AA meeting bothers the hell > out of me, especially since it's quasi mandatory. > ----------------- Hi Dixie, welcome to 12-s-f. Good post, but in all fairness there is not only nothing " mandatory " about saying the so-called " Lord's Prayer " in AA meetings, but it is my undertanding that this is not done outside of the U.S. There is an Australian guy on the Delphi board named Aussie Chuck who has expressed vehement disagreement with the American practice of reciting this Christian prayer at meetings, and especially while holding and waving hands hypnotically. Apparently there is a bit less blatant Christianity in Australian AA. One other point -- you say > > Thy kingdom come--assumes that God/Jesus/et al will come to reign, as per > the Christian/Hebrew/Islamic texts. > Please be aware that the so-called " Lord's Prayer " is a specifically Christian prayer, from the Christian holy book known as " New Testament " , and attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. There is NO corresponding text in the Jewish or Islamic faiths. In fact I can assure you that most of the sentiment expressed in this prayer is completely contrary to Jewish theology. 12-Step ideology itself is religious, completely aside from whether or not the " Lord's Prayer " is recited at any particular meeting, and conflicts with religious faiths which emphasize free will and personal responsibilty. But anyway, the point is that many people of various religious faiths (as well as atheists of course) simply do not believe that religion has anything to do with discontinuing an unhealthy drinking pattern, and would rather keep their religious observance entirely separate from their " recovery " . ~Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Please be aware that the so-called " Lord's Prayer " is a >specifically Christian prayer, from the Christian holy book known as > " New Testament " , and attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. There is NO >corresponding text in the Jewish or Islamic faiths. Rita, As Jesus is recognized as a prophet by Moslems, wont they be ok wih the Lord's Prayer? Just curious. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Please be aware that the so-called " Lord's Prayer " is a >specifically Christian prayer, from the Christian holy book known as > " New Testament " , and attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. There is NO >corresponding text in the Jewish or Islamic faiths. Rita, As Jesus is recognized as a prophet by Moslems, wont they be ok wih the Lord's Prayer? Just curious. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Please be aware that the so-called " Lord's Prayer " is a >specifically Christian prayer, from the Christian holy book known as > " New Testament " , and attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. There is NO >corresponding text in the Jewish or Islamic faiths. Rita, As Jesus is recognized as a prophet by Moslems, wont they be ok wih the Lord's Prayer? Just curious. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > > > Please be aware that the so-called " Lord's Prayer " is a > >specifically Christian prayer, from the Christian holy book known as > > " New Testament " , and attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. There is NO > >corresponding text in the Jewish or Islamic faiths. > > Rita, > > As Jesus is recognized as a prophet by Moslems, wont they be ok wih > the Lord's Prayer? Just curious. > > P. --------------- I'll ask my Muslim co-workers to be sure, but I doubt they would accept a prayer that first of all refers to Jesus as " Lord " , and secondly speaks of personal salvation as in " deliver us from evil " . I believe Islam, like its older cousin Judaism, promotes personal responsibility for choosing to follow prescribed moral codes and laws. ~Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > In a message dated 2/2/2001 9:56:44 PM Central Standard Time, > watts_pete@h... writes: > > As Jesus is recognized as a prophet by Moslems, wont they be ok > > with the Lord's Prayer? Just curious. > > > No, it wouldn't, because they would see a prayer to Jesus as >idolatry. But the prayer isnt to Jesus, it's to God the Father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 you may find this of interest http://www.unhooked.com/sep/aacouns.htm also, here are the bookarks for this list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12-step-free/links > In a message dated 2/2/2001 9:44:16 PM Central Standard Time, > rita66@w... writes: > > > in all fairness there is not only nothing " mandatory " about saying the so- > > called " Lord's Prayer " in AA meetings, but it is my undertanding that this > is > > not done outside of the U.S. > > It is certainly required in the southern states of the US. I'm a psychiatric > social worker, new to the list. I've been suspicious of the claims of AA for > many years. I'm thinking of starting an informal campaign at my workplace to > discourage AA referrals. > > ~~~eric > > " We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the > depth of our answers " . > --Carl Sagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 this article at the link i posted is interesting, but after re reading im struck by why the authors felt it was need to burder themselves with the 12 step format, why? when bill he said he stopped at 12 becuase it seemed fiting given that there were 12 apostles? (i cant be absolutley sure that is attributed to him, but i recall reading it somewhere) why not 2 steps or 1? well at least they addressed each one. > >you may find this of interest > >http://www.unhooked.com/sep/aacouns.htm > > For the really heretical, I think there may be something on the > unhooked site called " The Lowered Sprayer. " It was posted on the > SOSmail list maybe four years ago. It's a wonderful rewrite of this > classic of religious literature. > > ----- > http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 this article at the link i posted is interesting, but after re reading im struck by why the authors felt it was need to burder themselves with the 12 step format, why? when bill he said he stopped at 12 becuase it seemed fiting given that there were 12 apostles? (i cant be absolutley sure that is attributed to him, but i recall reading it somewhere) why not 2 steps or 1? well at least they addressed each one. > >you may find this of interest > >http://www.unhooked.com/sep/aacouns.htm > > For the really heretical, I think there may be something on the > unhooked site called " The Lowered Sprayer. " It was posted on the > SOSmail list maybe four years ago. It's a wonderful rewrite of this > classic of religious literature. > > ----- > http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Hi Dixie, > > > The Lord's Prayer, or Our Father, is the most important prayer in > christianity. The protestant version is the one used in AA. They are > the same except Catholics omit, " For thine is the kingdom, and the > power, and the glory, Forever and ever, Amen. " > AA denies being religious. > > Jim Jim, I think this may depend on whether Protestants or Catholics predominate at a given meeting. I attended an Al-anon meeting that was predominantly Catholic and I am pretty sure they omitted the Protestant coda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 , Welcome to the list. I'm glad Pete brought you in. If there's not already an organized alternative to AA available in your community, perhaps you and some of your colleagues might be interesting in taking the initiative to start a SMART RECOVERY group. http://www.smartrecovery.org SMART's process,as I understand it, calls for mental health professionals to play a role in the groups as convenor or advisor. > In a message dated 2/2/2001 11:26:08 PM Central Standard Time, > benbradley@m... writes: > > > I don't want to discourage you from doing this, but are you prepared > > for some strong harrasement, even to lose your job and career for it? > > I don't think it'll come to that. I've heard others express doubt. > > ~~~eric > > " We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the > depth of our answers " . > --Carl Sagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > If you >refuse to > take hands with someone, or get up and leave before the prayer is > said---well, people just aren't happy with you. IME, Christians get > terribly upset when someone objects to their overbearing attitude. This is an important point. On the face of it there's absolutely nothing mandatory in AA at all - but the social pressure to conform is absolutely gigantic. Ppl will deny the evidence of their own senses under less pressure than this (Asch, whenever). There's no way that this isnt an issue. In the UK they do the Lord's Prayer at some meetings. These are coded in the Where to Find AA as " Akron " meetings. As it is, I'm not wild about saying the *Serenity* Prayer, which is *always* said. At the moment I'm conforming in OA to it. > My boyfriend is currently in the Salvation Army Adult Rehabilitation > Center. He is forced to attend chapel each Sunday. I dont know the circumstances, I guess they could say if youre in our place you do what we do, but this sounds like a First Amendment violation to me. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > If you >refuse to > take hands with someone, or get up and leave before the prayer is > said---well, people just aren't happy with you. IME, Christians get > terribly upset when someone objects to their overbearing attitude. This is an important point. On the face of it there's absolutely nothing mandatory in AA at all - but the social pressure to conform is absolutely gigantic. Ppl will deny the evidence of their own senses under less pressure than this (Asch, whenever). There's no way that this isnt an issue. In the UK they do the Lord's Prayer at some meetings. These are coded in the Where to Find AA as " Akron " meetings. As it is, I'm not wild about saying the *Serenity* Prayer, which is *always* said. At the moment I'm conforming in OA to it. > My boyfriend is currently in the Salvation Army Adult Rehabilitation > Center. He is forced to attend chapel each Sunday. I dont know the circumstances, I guess they could say if youre in our place you do what we do, but this sounds like a First Amendment violation to me. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 > > >you may find this of interest > > >http://www.unhooked.com/sep/aacouns.htm > > > > For the really heretical, I think there may be something on the > > unhooked site called " The Lowered Sprayer. " It was posted on > the > > SOSmail list maybe four years ago. It's a wonderful rewrite of > this > > classic of religious literature. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 5:49:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, dixie@... writes: << Anyway, like I said, I'll introduce myself a while later. I subscribe to over a dozen email lists and get well over 200 emails per day, so I'm not sure how active I'll be able to be in this group. But I would like to share my story, some thoughts, and turn to others to see how you've dealt with the same issues and thoughts (I know that's a terribly AA type of concept, but it is one of the values I see in AA.) Take care, Dixie >> When I underwent the abuse of AA and it came time for THE prayer, I sat down, kept my eyes open and stared at others. Piper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 5:49:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, dixie@... writes: << Anyway, like I said, I'll introduce myself a while later. I subscribe to over a dozen email lists and get well over 200 emails per day, so I'm not sure how active I'll be able to be in this group. But I would like to share my story, some thoughts, and turn to others to see how you've dealt with the same issues and thoughts (I know that's a terribly AA type of concept, but it is one of the values I see in AA.) Take care, Dixie >> When I underwent the abuse of AA and it came time for THE prayer, I sat down, kept my eyes open and stared at others. Piper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 5:49:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, dixie@... writes: << Anyway, like I said, I'll introduce myself a while later. I subscribe to over a dozen email lists and get well over 200 emails per day, so I'm not sure how active I'll be able to be in this group. But I would like to share my story, some thoughts, and turn to others to see how you've dealt with the same issues and thoughts (I know that's a terribly AA type of concept, but it is one of the values I see in AA.) Take care, Dixie >> When I underwent the abuse of AA and it came time for THE prayer, I sat down, kept my eyes open and stared at others. Piper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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