Re: cases in which photoderm doesn't work...

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My thought is that it may not work for severe cases.

B B wrote:

Hi all.

It's become apparent to me that for many rosaceans, photoderm can be

one of the best treatments available, often bringing remission of

outwardly visible symptoms of the condition to a high degree, and for

a significant time span. To me, it seems the majority of photoderm

patients treated for rosacea are at least partially satisfied with

the results, with many being overjoyed at the improvement they see.

However, this isn't always the case. There are many accounts from

patients who have had five, eight, even twelve or more treatments,

and who have seen little (only 10-20%), and in some cases, absolutely

no results whatsoever. My question is, for medical and non-medical

folks alike, why? What is it about these unfortunate patients who,

despite a hefty investment of time and money, fail to see any

appreciable results? I realize a significant factor could be the

photoderm practioners themselves and how they apply the IPL device in

the treatment. No doubt many simply are too unexperienced,

incompetent, or just can't seem to get the right settings for the

patient in question. However, aside from this, there must be other

reasons, reasons related specifically to the patient and his/her

condition. This would seem true because many patients for whom

photoderm doesn't work are treated by multiple practioners in and

with multiple settings. Furthermore, many photoderm practioners may

be able to treat with great success, say, 9 out of 10 of their

rosacea patients, but still have 1 out of 10 that just don't seem to

respond to the treatment. So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

Any thoughts?

BB

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[Guest guest]

My thought is that it may not work for severe cases.

B B wrote:

Hi all.

It's become apparent to me that for many rosaceans, photoderm can be

one of the best treatments available, often bringing remission of

outwardly visible symptoms of the condition to a high degree, and for

a significant time span. To me, it seems the majority of photoderm

patients treated for rosacea are at least partially satisfied with

the results, with many being overjoyed at the improvement they see.

However, this isn't always the case. There are many accounts from

patients who have had five, eight, even twelve or more treatments,

and who have seen little (only 10-20%), and in some cases, absolutely

no results whatsoever. My question is, for medical and non-medical

folks alike, why? What is it about these unfortunate patients who,

despite a hefty investment of time and money, fail to see any

appreciable results? I realize a significant factor could be the

photoderm practioners themselves and how they apply the IPL device in

the treatment. No doubt many simply are too unexperienced,

incompetent, or just can't seem to get the right settings for the

patient in question. However, aside from this, there must be other

reasons, reasons related specifically to the patient and his/her

condition. This would seem true because many patients for whom

photoderm doesn't work are treated by multiple practioners in and

with multiple settings. Furthermore, many photoderm practioners may

be able to treat with great success, say, 9 out of 10 of their

rosacea patients, but still have 1 out of 10 that just don't seem to

respond to the treatment. So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

Any thoughts?

BB

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[Guest guest]

My thought is that it may not work for severe cases.

B B wrote:

Hi all.

It's become apparent to me that for many rosaceans, photoderm can be

one of the best treatments available, often bringing remission of

outwardly visible symptoms of the condition to a high degree, and for

a significant time span. To me, it seems the majority of photoderm

patients treated for rosacea are at least partially satisfied with

the results, with many being overjoyed at the improvement they see.

However, this isn't always the case. There are many accounts from

patients who have had five, eight, even twelve or more treatments,

and who have seen little (only 10-20%), and in some cases, absolutely

no results whatsoever. My question is, for medical and non-medical

folks alike, why? What is it about these unfortunate patients who,

despite a hefty investment of time and money, fail to see any

appreciable results? I realize a significant factor could be the

photoderm practioners themselves and how they apply the IPL device in

the treatment. No doubt many simply are too unexperienced,

incompetent, or just can't seem to get the right settings for the

patient in question. However, aside from this, there must be other

reasons, reasons related specifically to the patient and his/her

condition. This would seem true because many patients for whom

photoderm doesn't work are treated by multiple practioners in and

with multiple settings. Furthermore, many photoderm practioners may

be able to treat with great success, say, 9 out of 10 of their

rosacea patients, but still have 1 out of 10 that just don't seem to

respond to the treatment. So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

Any thoughts?

BB

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>

> My thought is that it may not work for severe cases.

>

Hi FF.

Yes, I believe this too. It still leaves the question as to why this

is the case. In such cases, are the responsible vessels simply too

strong to be destroyed by photoderm? Or, having been destroyed, do

they simply grow back immediately, and, because of the underlying

condition, very quickly become damaged and faulty once again, leading

right back to a red face and flushing? Further ideas would be

appreciated.

BB

[Guest guest]

>

> My thought is that it may not work for severe cases.

>

Hi FF.

Yes, I believe this too. It still leaves the question as to why this

is the case. In such cases, are the responsible vessels simply too

strong to be destroyed by photoderm? Or, having been destroyed, do

they simply grow back immediately, and, because of the underlying

condition, very quickly become damaged and faulty once again, leading

right back to a red face and flushing? Further ideas would be

appreciated.

BB

[Guest guest]

>

> My thought is that it may not work for severe cases.

>

Hi FF.

Yes, I believe this too. It still leaves the question as to why this

is the case. In such cases, are the responsible vessels simply too

strong to be destroyed by photoderm? Or, having been destroyed, do

they simply grow back immediately, and, because of the underlying

condition, very quickly become damaged and faulty once again, leading

right back to a red face and flushing? Further ideas would be

appreciated.

BB

[Guest guest]

Great question!

I asked Dr. Bitter Sr. the exact question, and his response was that 'virtually'

all of his patients see significant improvement, and for those whose improvement

doesn't last for a significant length of time, the early return of their redness

is because they do not avoid their rosacea triggers. His answer certainly

implies that there are photoderm doc's out there whose competence is suspect.

Nonetheless, I still would like a better answer to this question.

Dan

Responsible Metal Fab, Inc.

1256 N. Lawrence Station Road

Sunnyvale, CA 94089

>>> " B B " 09/11/00 10:29PM >>>

Hi all.

It's become apparent to me that for many rosaceans, photoderm can be

one of the best treatments available, often bringing remission of

outwardly visible symptoms of the condition to a high degree, and for

a significant time span. To me, it seems the majority of photoderm

patients treated for rosacea are at least partially satisfied with

the results, with many being overjoyed at the improvement they see.

However, this isn't always the case. There are many accounts from

patients who have had five, eight, even twelve or more treatments,

and who have seen little (only 10-20%), and in some cases, absolutely

no results whatsoever. My question is, for medical and non-medical

folks alike, why? What is it about these unfortunate patients who,

despite a hefty investment of time and money, fail to see any

appreciable results? I realize a significant factor could be the

photoderm practioners themselves and how they apply the IPL device in

the treatment. No doubt many simply are too unexperienced,

incompetent, or just can't seem to get the right settings for the

patient in question. However, aside from this, there must be other

reasons, reasons related specifically to the patient and his/her

condition. This would seem true because many patients for whom

photoderm doesn't work are treated by multiple practioners in and

with multiple settings. Furthermore, many photoderm practioners may

be able to treat with great success, say, 9 out of 10 of their

rosacea patients, but still have 1 out of 10 that just don't seem to

respond to the treatment. So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

Any thoughts?

BB

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Great question!

I asked Dr. Bitter Sr. the exact question, and his response was that 'virtually'

all of his patients see significant improvement, and for those whose improvement

doesn't last for a significant length of time, the early return of their redness

is because they do not avoid their rosacea triggers. His answer certainly

implies that there are photoderm doc's out there whose competence is suspect.

Nonetheless, I still would like a better answer to this question.

Dan

Responsible Metal Fab, Inc.

1256 N. Lawrence Station Road

Sunnyvale, CA 94089

>>> " B B " 09/11/00 10:29PM >>>

Hi all.

It's become apparent to me that for many rosaceans, photoderm can be

one of the best treatments available, often bringing remission of

outwardly visible symptoms of the condition to a high degree, and for

a significant time span. To me, it seems the majority of photoderm

patients treated for rosacea are at least partially satisfied with

the results, with many being overjoyed at the improvement they see.

However, this isn't always the case. There are many accounts from

patients who have had five, eight, even twelve or more treatments,

and who have seen little (only 10-20%), and in some cases, absolutely

no results whatsoever. My question is, for medical and non-medical

folks alike, why? What is it about these unfortunate patients who,

despite a hefty investment of time and money, fail to see any

appreciable results? I realize a significant factor could be the

photoderm practioners themselves and how they apply the IPL device in

the treatment. No doubt many simply are too unexperienced,

incompetent, or just can't seem to get the right settings for the

patient in question. However, aside from this, there must be other

reasons, reasons related specifically to the patient and his/her

condition. This would seem true because many patients for whom

photoderm doesn't work are treated by multiple practioners in and

with multiple settings. Furthermore, many photoderm practioners may

be able to treat with great success, say, 9 out of 10 of their

rosacea patients, but still have 1 out of 10 that just don't seem to

respond to the treatment. So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

Any thoughts?

BB

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[Guest guest]

Great question!

I asked Dr. Bitter Sr. the exact question, and his response was that 'virtually'

all of his patients see significant improvement, and for those whose improvement

doesn't last for a significant length of time, the early return of their redness

is because they do not avoid their rosacea triggers. His answer certainly

implies that there are photoderm doc's out there whose competence is suspect.

Nonetheless, I still would like a better answer to this question.

Dan

Responsible Metal Fab, Inc.

1256 N. Lawrence Station Road

Sunnyvale, CA 94089

>>> " B B " 09/11/00 10:29PM >>>

Hi all.

It's become apparent to me that for many rosaceans, photoderm can be

one of the best treatments available, often bringing remission of

outwardly visible symptoms of the condition to a high degree, and for

a significant time span. To me, it seems the majority of photoderm

patients treated for rosacea are at least partially satisfied with

the results, with many being overjoyed at the improvement they see.

However, this isn't always the case. There are many accounts from

patients who have had five, eight, even twelve or more treatments,

and who have seen little (only 10-20%), and in some cases, absolutely

no results whatsoever. My question is, for medical and non-medical

folks alike, why? What is it about these unfortunate patients who,

despite a hefty investment of time and money, fail to see any

appreciable results? I realize a significant factor could be the

photoderm practioners themselves and how they apply the IPL device in

the treatment. No doubt many simply are too unexperienced,

incompetent, or just can't seem to get the right settings for the

patient in question. However, aside from this, there must be other

reasons, reasons related specifically to the patient and his/her

condition. This would seem true because many patients for whom

photoderm doesn't work are treated by multiple practioners in and

with multiple settings. Furthermore, many photoderm practioners may

be able to treat with great success, say, 9 out of 10 of their

rosacea patients, but still have 1 out of 10 that just don't seem to

respond to the treatment. So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

Any thoughts?

BB

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Have no idea. I think this is a medical question. We can only guess.

B B wrote:

>

> My thought is that it may not work for severe cases.

>

Hi FF.

Yes, I believe this too. It still leaves the question as to why this

is the case. In such cases, are the responsible vessels simply too

strong to be destroyed by photoderm? Or, having been destroyed, do

they simply grow back immediately, and, because of the underlying

condition, very quickly become damaged and faulty once again, leading

right back to a red face and flushing? Further ideas would be

appreciated.

BB

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Have no idea. I think this is a medical question. We can only guess.

B B wrote:

>

> My thought is that it may not work for severe cases.

>

Hi FF.

Yes, I believe this too. It still leaves the question as to why this

is the case. In such cases, are the responsible vessels simply too

strong to be destroyed by photoderm? Or, having been destroyed, do

they simply grow back immediately, and, because of the underlying

condition, very quickly become damaged and faulty once again, leading

right back to a red face and flushing? Further ideas would be

appreciated.

BB

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BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive nervous

system that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

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>So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

>fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

>other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

>respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

[Guest guest]

BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive nervous

system that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

-----Original Message-----

To: rosacea-supportegroups <rosacea-supportegroups>

>So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

>fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

>other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

>respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

[Guest guest]

BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive nervous

system that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

-----Original Message-----

To: rosacea-supportegroups <rosacea-supportegroups>

>So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

>fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

>other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

>respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen

I was interested in what you said about the cause being an overactive

sympathetic nervous system in your case and you also said you see a

neurologist for this. Is it possible to definitely diagnose this cause? Is

it also possible to treat it and, if so, how? Are you talking about taking

drugs like Clonodine or beta blockers to treat it?

Thanks.

Hazel

BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive

nervoussystem that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen

I was interested in what you said about the cause being an overactive

sympathetic nervous system in your case and you also said you see a

neurologist for this. Is it possible to definitely diagnose this cause? Is

it also possible to treat it and, if so, how? Are you talking about taking

drugs like Clonodine or beta blockers to treat it?

Thanks.

Hazel

BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive

nervoussystem that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen

I was interested in what you said about the cause being an overactive

sympathetic nervous system in your case and you also said you see a

neurologist for this. Is it possible to definitely diagnose this cause? Is

it also possible to treat it and, if so, how? Are you talking about taking

drugs like Clonodine or beta blockers to treat it?

Thanks.

Hazel

BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive

nervoussystem that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Jen,

Thanks for your input, it was very informative. BTW, how many photoderm

sessions did you undergo?

Dan

Dan

Responsible Metal Fab, Inc.

1256 N. Lawrence Station Road

Sunnyvale, CA 94089

>>> " Jen Sandwell " 09/12/00 09:41AM >>>

BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive nervous

system that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

-----Original Message-----

To: rosacea-supportegroups <rosacea-supportegroups>

>So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

>fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

>other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

>respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

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[Guest guest]

Jen,

Thanks for your input, it was very informative. BTW, how many photoderm

sessions did you undergo?

Dan

Dan

Responsible Metal Fab, Inc.

1256 N. Lawrence Station Road

Sunnyvale, CA 94089

>>> " Jen Sandwell " 09/12/00 09:41AM >>>

BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive nervous

system that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

-----Original Message-----

To: rosacea-supportegroups <rosacea-supportegroups>

>So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

>fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

>other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

>respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

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[Guest guest]

Jen,

Thanks for your input, it was very informative. BTW, how many photoderm

sessions did you undergo?

Dan

Dan

Responsible Metal Fab, Inc.

1256 N. Lawrence Station Road

Sunnyvale, CA 94089

>>> " Jen Sandwell " 09/12/00 09:41AM >>>

BB, I think you're right that there must be other factors involved in each

individual response. Certainly the experience of the doctor plays the major

part, but as with every treatment we have, each patient seems to respond

differently to photoderm depending on their extent of damage, skin and

vessel types, underlying causes and conditions etc etc For example my

doctor (who is experienced) gets great results with almost all rosacea

patients, but my own face was very resistant and took many more treatments

than most.

In my case photoderm eventually worked great on the cosmetic aspect -

extreme permanent redness and many telangiectasia. My flushing which is

severe and debillitating was improved also, but I know that until I treat

the main underlying cause of the flushing (most likely an overactive sns for

which I see a neurologist), photoderm alone won't be the total answer for my

rosacea. For now the damaged vessels have been removed and so have most of

my outward rosacea symptoms and I'm thrilled with that part, but I still

have not eliminated the underlying problem, in that the overactive nervous

system that causes my flushing is as strong as ever.

Jen

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>So, it's very unlikely in my eyes that the

>fault lies exclusively with the photoderm practioners. There must be

>other factors involved with how well a particular patient will

>respond to photoderm. Question is, what are these other factors?

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Jen,

I'm actually glad to hear that you have had so many treatments. I'm not alone!

I have had seven and are beginning to think I need seven more. I can see and

feel a big difference of course but I believed when I started that five or six

treatments would be enough. Not ... !

Reg, Thor

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Jen Sandwell wrote:

>Dan, I've had 14 treatments, and not yet sure if I'll go back to have any

>more to try to get to more of the flushing.

>Jen

>

>>Thanks for your input, it was very informative. BTW, how many photoderm

>sessions did you undergo?

>>Dan

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jen,

I'm actually glad to hear that you have had so many treatments. I'm not alone!

I have had seven and are beginning to think I need seven more. I can see and

feel a big difference of course but I believed when I started that five or six

treatments would be enough. Not ... !

Reg, Thor

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:18:22

Jen Sandwell wrote:

>Dan, I've had 14 treatments, and not yet sure if I'll go back to have any

>more to try to get to more of the flushing.

>Jen

>

>>Thanks for your input, it was very informative. BTW, how many photoderm

>sessions did you undergo?

>>Dan

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dan, I've had 14 treatments, and not yet sure if I'll go back to have any

more to try to get to more of the flushing.

Jen

>Thanks for your input, it was very informative. BTW, how many photoderm

sessions did you undergo?

>Dan

[Guest guest]

Dan, I've had 14 treatments, and not yet sure if I'll go back to have any

more to try to get to more of the flushing.

Jen

>Thanks for your input, it was very informative. BTW, how many photoderm

sessions did you undergo?

>Dan

[Guest guest]

Dan, I've had 14 treatments, and not yet sure if I'll go back to have any

more to try to get to more of the flushing.

Jen

>Thanks for your input, it was very informative. BTW, how many photoderm

sessions did you undergo?

>Dan