Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Johathon, Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is that they're available for public use. As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY TECHNICALLY DEAD. " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some of these arguments. The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. Phooey on all of them. GG In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, goldstar517@... writes: i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of population control will begin to take effect. Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Johathon, Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is that they're available for public use. As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY TECHNICALLY DEAD. " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some of these arguments. The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. Phooey on all of them. GG In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, goldstar517@... writes: i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of population control will begin to take effect. Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Johathon, Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is that they're available for public use. As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY TECHNICALLY DEAD. " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some of these arguments. The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. Phooey on all of them. GG In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, goldstar517@... writes: i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of population control will begin to take effect. Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of population control will begin to take effect. Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of population control will begin to take effect. Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of population control will begin to take effect. Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I have to disagree, I guess. There's no inherent danger in an AED. Like a fire extinguisher, only you can really hurt yourself with a fire extinguisher. AEDs are SOOO simple they are perfect for the general public. Of course, you could hit someone on the head with one, and THAT's hurt! WALKER, JONATHAN wrote: >i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >population control will begin to take effect. > >Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I have to disagree, I guess. There's no inherent danger in an AED. Like a fire extinguisher, only you can really hurt yourself with a fire extinguisher. AEDs are SOOO simple they are perfect for the general public. Of course, you could hit someone on the head with one, and THAT's hurt! WALKER, JONATHAN wrote: >i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >population control will begin to take effect. > >Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I have to disagree, I guess. There's no inherent danger in an AED. Like a fire extinguisher, only you can really hurt yourself with a fire extinguisher. AEDs are SOOO simple they are perfect for the general public. Of course, you could hit someone on the head with one, and THAT's hurt! WALKER, JONATHAN wrote: >i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >population control will begin to take effect. > >Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to see how he does. wegandy1938@... wrote: > >Johathon, > >Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. > >Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >that they're available for public use. > >As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. > >It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. > >All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the > directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >TECHNICALLY DEAD. > > " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " > " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " > >None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >of these arguments. > >The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. > >Phooey on all of them. > >GG > >In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >goldstar517@... writes: > >i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >population control will begin to take effect. > >Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to see how he does. wegandy1938@... wrote: > >Johathon, > >Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. > >Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >that they're available for public use. > >As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. > >It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. > >All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the > directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >TECHNICALLY DEAD. > > " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " > " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " > >None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >of these arguments. > >The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. > >Phooey on all of them. > >GG > >In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >goldstar517@... writes: > >i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >population control will begin to take effect. > >Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to see how he does. wegandy1938@... wrote: > >Johathon, > >Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. > >Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >that they're available for public use. > >As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. > >It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. > >All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the > directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >TECHNICALLY DEAD. > > " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " > " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " > >None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >of these arguments. > >The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. > >Phooey on all of them. > >GG > >In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >goldstar517@... writes: > >i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >population control will begin to take effect. > >Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to see how he does. wegandy1938@... wrote: > >Johathon, > >Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. > >Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >that they're available for public use. > >As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. > >It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. > >All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the > directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >TECHNICALLY DEAD. > > " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " > " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " > >None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >of these arguments. > >The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. > >Phooey on all of them. > >GG > >In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >goldstar517@... writes: > >i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >population control will begin to take effect. > >Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Probably... Of course, I'm waiting for somebody to use an AED in the rain or when the vic is in a puddle of water or something. It might be interesting to see which way the lawsuits fly. Maybe they could get that reporter from Houston to cover the story. You folks know the one I mean... The one who did the insightful expose on the Paramedics who incorrectly incubated a patient I'm sure he would be just as accurate in covering such an event.. dago wrote: >Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " > > > > Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember >when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and >nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with >publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't >give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't >either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. >Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They >have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe >the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and >a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... >One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody >forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least >get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for >anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer >and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the >directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to >see how he does. > > > >wegandy1938@... wrote: > > > >>Johathon, >> >>Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. >> >>Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >>There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >>that they're available for public use. >> >>As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >>article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. >> >>It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >>somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >>hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >>desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >>hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. >> >>All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >>that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the >>directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >>understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >>TECHNICALLY DEAD. >> >> " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " >> " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >>and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " >> >>None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >>AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >>of these arguments. >> >>The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >>judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >>offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. >> >>Phooey on all of them. >> >>GG >> >>In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >>goldstar517@... writes: >> >>i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >>prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >>people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >>volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >>for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >>market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >>marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >>population control will begin to take effect. >> >>Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " Of course not! You might break a rib. _____ From: dago Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 7:57 PM To: Subject: Re: AEDs Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to see how he does. wegandy1938@... wrote: > >Johathon, > >Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. > >Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >that they're available for public use. > >As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. > >It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. > >All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the > directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >TECHNICALLY DEAD. > > " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " > " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " > >None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >of these arguments. > >The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. > >Phooey on all of them. > >GG > >In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >goldstar517@... writes: > >i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >population control will begin to take effect. > >Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 The manufacturers have tested them in puddles of water, and there has been no measurable effect. Ditto with doing them on metal surfaces. They still talk about not doing that just because it sounds theoretically possible. But no incidents have occurred, and tests haven't shown any real potential. But, many folks (and the press in particular) aren't wont to let FACTS stand it the way of a good sensational story. =Steve= Crosby wrote: >Probably... Of course, I'm waiting for somebody to use an AED in the >rain or when the vic is in a puddle of water or something. It might be >interesting to see which way the lawsuits fly. Maybe they could get >that reporter from Houston to cover the story. You folks know the one I >mean... The one who did the insightful expose on the Paramedics who >incorrectly incubated a patient I'm sure he would be just as accurate >in covering such an event.. > >dago wrote: > > > >>Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " >> >> >> >> Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember >>when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and >>nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with >>publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't >>give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't >>either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. >>Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They >>have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe >>the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and >>a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... >>One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody >>forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least >>get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for >>anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer >>and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the >>directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to >>see how he does. >> >> >> >>wegandy1938@... wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Johathon, >>> >>>Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. >>> >>>Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >>>There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >>>that they're available for public use. >>> >>>As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >>>article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. >>> >>>It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >>>somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >>>hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >>>desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >>>hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. >>> >>>All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >>>that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the >>>directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >>>understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >>>TECHNICALLY DEAD. >>> >>> " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " >>> " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >>>and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " >>> >>>None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >>>AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >>>of these arguments. >>> >>>The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >>>judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >>>offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. >>> >>>Phooey on all of them. >>> >>>GG >>> >>>In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >>>goldstar517@... writes: >>> >>>i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >>>prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >>>people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >>>volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >>>for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >>>market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >>>marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >>>population control will begin to take effect. >>> >>>Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 The manufacturers have tested them in puddles of water, and there has been no measurable effect. Ditto with doing them on metal surfaces. They still talk about not doing that just because it sounds theoretically possible. But no incidents have occurred, and tests haven't shown any real potential. But, many folks (and the press in particular) aren't wont to let FACTS stand it the way of a good sensational story. =Steve= Crosby wrote: >Probably... Of course, I'm waiting for somebody to use an AED in the >rain or when the vic is in a puddle of water or something. It might be >interesting to see which way the lawsuits fly. Maybe they could get >that reporter from Houston to cover the story. You folks know the one I >mean... The one who did the insightful expose on the Paramedics who >incorrectly incubated a patient I'm sure he would be just as accurate >in covering such an event.. > >dago wrote: > > > >>Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " >> >> >> >> Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember >>when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and >>nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with >>publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't >>give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't >>either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. >>Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They >>have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe >>the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and >>a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... >>One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody >>forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least >>get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for >>anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer >>and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the >>directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to >>see how he does. >> >> >> >>wegandy1938@... wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Johathon, >>> >>>Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. >>> >>>Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >>>There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >>>that they're available for public use. >>> >>>As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >>>article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. >>> >>>It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >>>somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >>>hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >>>desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >>>hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. >>> >>>All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >>>that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the >>>directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >>>understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >>>TECHNICALLY DEAD. >>> >>> " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " >>> " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >>>and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " >>> >>>None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >>>AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >>>of these arguments. >>> >>>The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >>>judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >>>offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. >>> >>>Phooey on all of them. >>> >>>GG >>> >>>In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >>>goldstar517@... writes: >>> >>>i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >>>prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >>>people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >>>volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >>>for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >>>market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >>>marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >>>population control will begin to take effect. >>> >>>Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 That was pretty much my point. Basically, my opinion of reporters is about on the same level as lawyers and politicians (damn low) Steve wrote: >The manufacturers have tested them in puddles of water, and there has >been no measurable effect. Ditto with doing them on metal surfaces. >They still talk about not doing that just because it sounds >theoretically possible. But no incidents have occurred, and tests >haven't shown any real potential. > >But, many folks (and the press in particular) aren't wont to let FACTS >stand it the way of a good sensational story. > >=Steve= > > Crosby wrote: > > > >>Probably... Of course, I'm waiting for somebody to use an AED in the >>rain or when the vic is in a puddle of water or something. It might be >>interesting to see which way the lawsuits fly. Maybe they could get >>that reporter from Houston to cover the story. You folks know the one I >>mean... The one who did the insightful expose on the Paramedics who >>incorrectly incubated a patient I'm sure he would be just as accurate >>in covering such an event.. >> >>dago wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " >>> >>> >>> >>> Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember >>>when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and >>>nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with >>>publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't >>>give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't >>>either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. >>>Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They >>>have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe >>>the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and >>>a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... >>>One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody >>>forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least >>>get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for >>>anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer >>>and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the >>>directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to >>>see how he does. >>> >>> >>> >>>wegandy1938@... wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Johathon, >>>> >>>>Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. >>>> >>>>Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >>>>There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >>>>that they're available for public use. >>>> >>>>As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >>>>article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. >>>> >>>>It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >>>>somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >>>>hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >>>>desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >>>>hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. >>>> >>>>All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >>>>that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the >>>>directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >>>>understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >>>>TECHNICALLY DEAD. >>>> >>>> " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " >>>> " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >>>>and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " >>>> >>>>None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >>>>AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >>>>of these arguments. >>>> >>>>The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >>>>judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >>>>offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. >>>> >>>>Phooey on all of them. >>>> >>>>GG >>>> >>>>In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >>>>goldstar517@... writes: >>>> >>>>i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >>>>prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >>>>people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >>>>volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >>>>for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >>>>market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >>>>marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >>>>population control will begin to take effect. >>>> >>>>Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 That was pretty much my point. Basically, my opinion of reporters is about on the same level as lawyers and politicians (damn low) Steve wrote: >The manufacturers have tested them in puddles of water, and there has >been no measurable effect. Ditto with doing them on metal surfaces. >They still talk about not doing that just because it sounds >theoretically possible. But no incidents have occurred, and tests >haven't shown any real potential. > >But, many folks (and the press in particular) aren't wont to let FACTS >stand it the way of a good sensational story. > >=Steve= > > Crosby wrote: > > > >>Probably... Of course, I'm waiting for somebody to use an AED in the >>rain or when the vic is in a puddle of water or something. It might be >>interesting to see which way the lawsuits fly. Maybe they could get >>that reporter from Houston to cover the story. You folks know the one I >>mean... The one who did the insightful expose on the Paramedics who >>incorrectly incubated a patient I'm sure he would be just as accurate >>in covering such an event.. >> >>dago wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " >>> >>> >>> >>> Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember >>>when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and >>>nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with >>>publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't >>>give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't >>>either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. >>>Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They >>>have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe >>>the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and >>>a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... >>>One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody >>>forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least >>>get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for >>>anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer >>>and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the >>>directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to >>>see how he does. >>> >>> >>> >>>wegandy1938@... wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Johathon, >>>> >>>>Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. >>>> >>>>Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >>>>There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >>>>that they're available for public use. >>>> >>>>As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >>>>article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. >>>> >>>>It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >>>>somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >>>>hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >>>>desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >>>>hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. >>>> >>>>All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >>>>that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the >>>>directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >>>>understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >>>>TECHNICALLY DEAD. >>>> >>>> " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " >>>> " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >>>>and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " >>>> >>>>None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >>>>AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >>>>of these arguments. >>>> >>>>The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >>>>judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >>>>offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. >>>> >>>>Phooey on all of them. >>>> >>>>GG >>>> >>>>In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >>>>goldstar517@... writes: >>>> >>>>i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >>>>prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >>>>people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >>>>volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >>>>for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >>>>market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >>>>marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >>>>population control will begin to take effect. >>>> >>>>Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 That was pretty much my point. Basically, my opinion of reporters is about on the same level as lawyers and politicians (damn low) Steve wrote: >The manufacturers have tested them in puddles of water, and there has >been no measurable effect. Ditto with doing them on metal surfaces. >They still talk about not doing that just because it sounds >theoretically possible. But no incidents have occurred, and tests >haven't shown any real potential. > >But, many folks (and the press in particular) aren't wont to let FACTS >stand it the way of a good sensational story. > >=Steve= > > Crosby wrote: > > > >>Probably... Of course, I'm waiting for somebody to use an AED in the >>rain or when the vic is in a puddle of water or something. It might be >>interesting to see which way the lawsuits fly. Maybe they could get >>that reporter from Houston to cover the story. You folks know the one I >>mean... The one who did the insightful expose on the Paramedics who >>incorrectly incubated a patient I'm sure he would be just as accurate >>in covering such an event.. >> >>dago wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Next, someone's gonna say- " Don't do CPR! " >>> >>> >>> >>> Crosby wrote:Just as an aside to add to the discussion. Anybody out there remember >>>when taking somebody's blood pressure was a skill that only doctors and >>>nurses did? Not that I remember myself, but now anybody can do it with >>>publicly available, automated machines. Granted, a BP machine doesn't >>>give you a jolt (one in proper working order anyway), but AED won't >>>either without there being a shockable rhythm or no pulse at all. >>>Anybody that can read and/or follow verbal prompts can use an AED. They >>>have pictures on the front that show where to place the pads (ok, maybe >>>the dyslexic might have a problem with that one while in panic mode) and >>>a light blinks to show where to plug the wires in. And guess what... >>>One of the verbal prompts says to call 911 just in case somebody >>>forgets. Ideally, everybody should get a class on an AED to at least >>>get familiar with it, but it is NOT a complicated instrument for >>>anybody who can follow directions. I'm tempted to borrow an AED trainer >>>and see if my 4 year old can operate it only by following the >>>directions. Maybe not scientific, but it would be interesting just to >>>see how he does. >>> >>> >>> >>>wegandy1938@... wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Johathon, >>>> >>>>Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. >>>> >>>>Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? >>>>There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is >>>>that they're available for public use. >>>> >>>>As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal >>>>article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. >>>> >>>>It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over >>>>somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and >>>>hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the >>>>desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the >>>>hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. >>>> >>>>All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says >>>>that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the >>>>directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to >>>>understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY >>>>TECHNICALLY DEAD. >>>> >>>> " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " >>>> " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there >>>>and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " >>>> >>>>None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on >>>>AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some >>>>of these arguments. >>>> >>>>The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational >>>>judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government >>>>offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. >>>> >>>>Phooey on all of them. >>>> >>>>GG >>>> >>>>In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >>>>goldstar517@... writes: >>>> >>>>i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s >>>>prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the >>>>people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call >>>>volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated >>>>for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th >>>>market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making >>>>marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of >>>>population control will begin to take effect. >>>> >>>>Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 I like what you all have been saying so far about the AED ordeal. Someone in an earlier post had a good idea about teaching this kind of stuff in school. I think that would be a great idea myself. So many people don't know how to do simple, ordinary tasks like changing a flat, doing CPR, or properly using and AED. I really think that schools and society in general would benefit by this sort of education. Now as far as allowing the general public purchase AED's, I think thats a great idea. In my opinon we should be more into injury prevention and not worrying about our job security. There will always be wrecks, shootings, and stabbings. To object the idea of making AED's availible for the general public to purchase simply because one might be worried about our job security is just plain stupid in my opinion. If someone can go out and by a firearm over the age of 18 without any formal training or supervison... why should we be worried about people getting AED's? Just my 0.02. -Txbasic, NREMT-I > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Johathon, > >>>> > >>>>Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. > >>>> > >>>>Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? > >>>>There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is > >>>>that they're available for public use. > >>>> > >>>>As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal > >>>>article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. > >>>> > >>>>It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over > >>>>somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and > >>>>hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the > >>>>desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the > >>>>hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. > >>>> > >>>>All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says > >>>>that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the > >>>>directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to > >>>>understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY > >>>>TECHNICALLY DEAD. > >>>> > >>>> " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " > >>>> " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there > >>>>and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " > >>>> > >>>>None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on > >>>>AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some > >>>>of these arguments. > >>>> > >>>>The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational > >>>>judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government > >>>>offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. > >>>> > >>>>Phooey on all of them. > >>>> > >>>>GG > >>>> > >>>>In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > >>>>goldstar517@c... writes: > >>>> > >>>>i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s > >>>>prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the > >>>>people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call > >>>>volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated > >>>>for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th > >>>>market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making > >>>>marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of > >>>>population control will begin to take effect. > >>>> > >>>>Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 I like what you all have been saying so far about the AED ordeal. Someone in an earlier post had a good idea about teaching this kind of stuff in school. I think that would be a great idea myself. So many people don't know how to do simple, ordinary tasks like changing a flat, doing CPR, or properly using and AED. I really think that schools and society in general would benefit by this sort of education. Now as far as allowing the general public purchase AED's, I think thats a great idea. In my opinon we should be more into injury prevention and not worrying about our job security. There will always be wrecks, shootings, and stabbings. To object the idea of making AED's availible for the general public to purchase simply because one might be worried about our job security is just plain stupid in my opinion. If someone can go out and by a firearm over the age of 18 without any formal training or supervison... why should we be worried about people getting AED's? Just my 0.02. -Txbasic, NREMT-I > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Johathon, > >>>> > >>>>Helloooooo. Earth to Jonathon. > >>>> > >>>>Have you not been to an airport, sports venue, or public building lately? > >>>>There are AEDs all over the place for the dumbass public to use. The IDEA is > >>>>that they're available for public use. > >>>> > >>>>As far as the arguments against AEDs set forth in the Wall Street Journal > >>>>article, let's apply the same principles to the automobile. > >>>> > >>>>It should not be available to the public because they might (1) run over > >>>>somebody with it (2) get it going backward when they wanted to go forward and > >>>>hit an old lady (3) fail to put gas in it and run out in the middle of the > >>>>desert (4) drive it while drunk and kill somebody (5) choose to drive it to the > >>>>hospital instead of calling 911 when they're having a heart attack. > >>>> > >>>>All those arguments are typical Big Government Big Brother stuff that says > >>>>that ordinary people don't have sense enough to pour pee out of a boot when the > >>>>directions are on the heel. They don't think people have enough sense to > >>>>understand that a defibrillator is only to be used WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY > >>>>TECHNICALLY DEAD. > >>>> > >>>> " Honey, I'm having chest pain. Think we ought to call 911? " > >>>> " Why no, darling, I'll just get that cute little AED on the wall over there > >>>>and shock the pain right out of you. No need for us to miss our flite. " > >>>> > >>>>None of the foregoing has a thing to do with whether or not money spent on > >>>>AEDs is the best deployment of funds; just pointing out the silliness in some > >>>>of these arguments. > >>>> > >>>>The world is full of folks who think that only THEY can make rational > >>>>judgments about ordinary things. A great majority of them reside in government > >>>>offices and physicians offices and lawyers offices. > >>>> > >>>>Phooey on all of them. > >>>> > >>>>GG > >>>> > >>>>In a message dated 7/26/2004 12:47:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > >>>>goldstar517@c... writes: > >>>> > >>>>i agree that AED's should only be available w/ a dr.'s > >>>>prescription. if it is open up to public use, then all the > >>>>people we rely on for job security will skyrocket our call > >>>>volumes and maybe even a couple of them could get nominated > >>>>for the Darwin Award. i just think that putting an AED on th > >>>>market for every Tom, Dick and Harry will be like making > >>>>marijuana legal, everyone gonna get it and another form of > >>>>population control will begin to take effect. > >>>> > >>>>Jonathon EMT-LP CCEMTP > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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