Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and slow phase 2

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi

>

> The biochemical individuality is so important.

> If you hypothetically have 10 mercury toxic people with approx. the

> same amount of poisoning and poisoned in the same areas of the

body, and

> 6 of them improve on chelation, why dont the last 4 improve?

>

> Could it be due to genetics?

> Have anyone here tried to chelate who have fast phase 1 and slow

phase

> 2 liver function? I wonder about risk/benefit when you have this

> situation

> coupled with SOD and glutathione polymorphisms + methylation

problems.

> And maybe transulfuration or other stuff on top that you dont yet

know.

>

> My point is that maybe until prepared in some way by nutrient

> repletion or whatever, a good percent of people with unfortunate

detox

> capabilities could maybe do more harm by mobilising mercury?

TK--- There are many if's. One needs to try and figure out what

each individual needs to do. There are many things people can do to

get ready before chelation which are beneficial and can help

tremendously.

>

> Are there any statistics to show how many improve on chelation

> % better, % worse, better:worse etc ?

TK--- Andy may have some data on this by now, email him and let us

know.

>

> Per

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I have fast phase I and slow phase II liver pathways. I have had

a terrible time with the toxicity plus chelating. From what I read

on the great smokies liver test was that it can be due to genetic

uniqueness and/or long term toxicity or other things.

I have made mistakes that should not have caused long term effects

and have done. Like taking garlic capsules or using too high dose of

DMSA or slipping up on a dose etc. These thing though not good for

any mercury toxic person, will impact a person injured by other

things as well as mercury far far more and usually long term.

> Hi

>

> The biochemical individuality is so important.

> If you hypothetically have 10 mercury toxic people with approx. the

> same amount of poisoning and poisoned in the same areas of the

body, and

> 6 of them improve on chelation, why dont the last 4 improve?

>

> Could it be due to genetics?

> Have anyone here tried to chelate who have fast phase 1 and slow

phase

> 2 liver function? I wonder about risk/benefit when you have this

> situation

> coupled with SOD and glutathione polymorphisms + methylation

problems.

> And maybe transulfuration or other stuff on top that you dont yet

know.

>

> My point is that maybe until prepared in some way by nutrient

> repletion or whatever, a good percent of people with unfortunate

detox

> capabilities could maybe do more harm by mobilising mercury?

>

> Are there any statistics to show how many improve on chelation

> % better, % worse, better:worse etc ?

>

> Per

>

[Guest guest]

Where to learn more about phase 1 and phase 2 liver function, another book

beside NO AMALGAM,

where/ which test to find out about it ?

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: frequent-dose-chelation

>Subject: Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and slow

>phase 2

>Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 01:38:09 -0000

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > The biochemical individuality is so important.

> > If you hypothetically have 10 mercury toxic people with approx. the

> > same amount of poisoning and poisoned in the same areas of the

>body, and

> > 6 of them improve on chelation, why dont the last 4 improve?

> >

> > Could it be due to genetics?

> > Have anyone here tried to chelate who have fast phase 1 and slow

>phase

> > 2 liver function? I wonder about risk/benefit when you have this

> > situation

> > coupled with SOD and glutathione polymorphisms + methylation

>problems.

> > And maybe transulfuration or other stuff on top that you dont yet

>know.

>

>

>

> >

> > My point is that maybe until prepared in some way by nutrient

> > repletion or whatever, a good percent of people with unfortunate

>detox

> > capabilities could maybe do more harm by mobilising mercury?

>

>

>TK--- There are many if's. One needs to try and figure out what

>each individual needs to do. There are many things people can do to

>get ready before chelation which are beneficial and can help

>tremendously.

>

>

>

> >

> > Are there any statistics to show how many improve on chelation

> > % better, % worse, better:worse etc ?

>

>

>TK--- Andy may have some data on this by now, email him and let us

>know.

>

>

> >

> > Per

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Where to learn more about phase 1 and phase 2 liver function, another book

beside NO AMALGAM,

where/ which test to find out about it ?

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: frequent-dose-chelation

>Subject: Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and slow

>phase 2

>Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 01:38:09 -0000

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > The biochemical individuality is so important.

> > If you hypothetically have 10 mercury toxic people with approx. the

> > same amount of poisoning and poisoned in the same areas of the

>body, and

> > 6 of them improve on chelation, why dont the last 4 improve?

> >

> > Could it be due to genetics?

> > Have anyone here tried to chelate who have fast phase 1 and slow

>phase

> > 2 liver function? I wonder about risk/benefit when you have this

> > situation

> > coupled with SOD and glutathione polymorphisms + methylation

>problems.

> > And maybe transulfuration or other stuff on top that you dont yet

>know.

>

>

>

> >

> > My point is that maybe until prepared in some way by nutrient

> > repletion or whatever, a good percent of people with unfortunate

>detox

> > capabilities could maybe do more harm by mobilising mercury?

>

>

>TK--- There are many if's. One needs to try and figure out what

>each individual needs to do. There are many things people can do to

>get ready before chelation which are beneficial and can help

>tremendously.

>

>

>

> >

> > Are there any statistics to show how many improve on chelation

> > % better, % worse, better:worse etc ?

>

>

>TK--- Andy may have some data on this by now, email him and let us

>know.

>

>

> >

> > Per

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Where to learn more about phase 1 and phase 2 liver function, another book

beside NO AMALGAM,

where/ which test to find out about it ?

Thanks,

Nadeem

>

>Reply-To: frequent-dose-chelation

>To: frequent-dose-chelation

>Subject: Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and slow

>phase 2

>Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 01:38:09 -0000

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > The biochemical individuality is so important.

> > If you hypothetically have 10 mercury toxic people with approx. the

> > same amount of poisoning and poisoned in the same areas of the

>body, and

> > 6 of them improve on chelation, why dont the last 4 improve?

> >

> > Could it be due to genetics?

> > Have anyone here tried to chelate who have fast phase 1 and slow

>phase

> > 2 liver function? I wonder about risk/benefit when you have this

> > situation

> > coupled with SOD and glutathione polymorphisms + methylation

>problems.

> > And maybe transulfuration or other stuff on top that you dont yet

>know.

>

>

>

> >

> > My point is that maybe until prepared in some way by nutrient

> > repletion or whatever, a good percent of people with unfortunate

>detox

> > capabilities could maybe do more harm by mobilising mercury?

>

>

>TK--- There are many if's. One needs to try and figure out what

>each individual needs to do. There are many things people can do to

>get ready before chelation which are beneficial and can help

>tremendously.

>

>

>

> >

> > Are there any statistics to show how many improve on chelation

> > % better, % worse, better:worse etc ?

>

>

>TK--- Andy may have some data on this by now, email him and let us

>know.

>

>

> >

> > Per

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, I have fast phase I and slow phase II liver pathways.

,

I think that I have the same. (Fast phase 1 because I have trouble

with anxiety and pain, Slow phase 2 because I am somewhat chemically

sensitive, although I haven't had the tests).

These liver symptoms have been improving for me over time, I think

mostly because of the diet and supplements I am on.

What supplements do you take now? Maybe we can fine tune supplementation.

J

> I have had

> a terrible time with the toxicity plus chelating. From what I read

> on the great smokies liver test was that it can be due to genetic

> uniqueness and/or long term toxicity or other things.

>

> I have made mistakes that should not have caused long term effects

> and have done. Like taking garlic capsules or using too high dose of

> DMSA or slipping up on a dose etc. These thing though not good for

> any mercury toxic person, will impact a person injured by other

> things as well as mercury far far more and usually long term.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm following this issue carefully because I seem to have the same

issue, plus a lot of brain fog, which means it would help me to get a

very clear protocol of supplements to help.

What exactly do I need to do to help myself with this issue?

Thanks for any suggestions.

[Guest guest]

I'm following this issue carefully because I seem to have the same

issue, plus a lot of brain fog, which means it would help me to get a

very clear protocol of supplements to help.

What exactly do I need to do to help myself with this issue?

Thanks for any suggestions.

[Guest guest]

When I did my consult with Andy, he told me that most people don't

have slow phase 2, but have fast phase I which then overwhelms phase

2. In his book he gives recommendations for slowing down phase 1

detox, such as taking niacinamide, grapefruit seed extract or other

grapefruit products or foods, emulsified oregano oil. Avoid BHT, BHA,

TBHQ, carotenoids or foods that are high in Carotenoids, and foods

that have been smoked, grilled/fried/charbroiled/barbecued or done in

any other way that would make the food have charbroiled crispy bits in

them. Inhaling smoke of any kind can be a problem as well.

Hope this helps,

Gladioli

>

> I'm following this issue carefully because I seem to have the same

> issue, plus a lot of brain fog, which means it would help me to get a

> very clear protocol of supplements to help.

>

> What exactly do I need to do to help myself with this issue?

>

> Thanks for any suggestions.

>

[Guest guest]

When I did my consult with Andy, he told me that most people don't

have slow phase 2, but have fast phase I which then overwhelms phase

2. In his book he gives recommendations for slowing down phase 1

detox, such as taking niacinamide, grapefruit seed extract or other

grapefruit products or foods, emulsified oregano oil. Avoid BHT, BHA,

TBHQ, carotenoids or foods that are high in Carotenoids, and foods

that have been smoked, grilled/fried/charbroiled/barbecued or done in

any other way that would make the food have charbroiled crispy bits in

them. Inhaling smoke of any kind can be a problem as well.

Hope this helps,

Gladioli

>

> I'm following this issue carefully because I seem to have the same

> issue, plus a lot of brain fog, which means it would help me to get a

> very clear protocol of supplements to help.

>

> What exactly do I need to do to help myself with this issue?

>

> Thanks for any suggestions.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I'm following this issue carefully because I seem to have the same

> > issue, plus a lot of brain fog, which means it would help me to get a

> > very clear protocol of supplements to help.

> >

> > What exactly do I need to do to help myself with this issue?

> >

> > Thanks for any suggestions.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I'm following this issue carefully because I seem to have the same

> > issue, plus a lot of brain fog, which means it would help me to get a

> > very clear protocol of supplements to help.

> >

> > What exactly do I need to do to help myself with this issue?

> >

> > Thanks for any suggestions.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > When I did my consult with Andy, he told me that most people

don't

> > have slow phase 2, but have fast phase I which then overwhelms

phase

> > 2. In his book he gives recommendations for slowing down phase 1

> > detox, such as taking niacinamide, grapefruit seed extract or

other

> > grapefruit products or foods,

>

>

>

> Grapefruit and niacinamide will slow down phase 1. I agree and use

> them myself for this purpose.

>

> Grapefruit seed extract is different. Some people use it to kill

off

> gut organisms. In his AI book Andy says that GSE " strongly reduces

> liver phase 1 metabolism " . I wouldn't use it for this purpose

because

> it will kill off gut organisms (it's not selective about what it

kills

> off)and it gives the liver one more thing to detoxify.

>

> J

>

Hi ,

I won't disagree with you about the GSE because what you say is

true. I was just passing along the information Andy gave me. FYI-I

cannot tolerate any of the supp. suggestions made for slowing down

phase 1. The only thing I can do is use the " avoidance "

recommendations for the things that speed up phase 1. If someone

tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

G.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > When I did my consult with Andy, he told me that most people

don't

> > have slow phase 2, but have fast phase I which then overwhelms

phase

> > 2. In his book he gives recommendations for slowing down phase 1

> > detox, such as taking niacinamide, grapefruit seed extract or

other

> > grapefruit products or foods,

>

>

>

> Grapefruit and niacinamide will slow down phase 1. I agree and use

> them myself for this purpose.

>

> Grapefruit seed extract is different. Some people use it to kill

off

> gut organisms. In his AI book Andy says that GSE " strongly reduces

> liver phase 1 metabolism " . I wouldn't use it for this purpose

because

> it will kill off gut organisms (it's not selective about what it

kills

> off)and it gives the liver one more thing to detoxify.

>

> J

>

Hi ,

I won't disagree with you about the GSE because what you say is

true. I was just passing along the information Andy gave me. FYI-I

cannot tolerate any of the supp. suggestions made for slowing down

phase 1. The only thing I can do is use the " avoidance "

recommendations for the things that speed up phase 1. If someone

tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

G.

[Guest guest]

Wow! Thanks. NOw I know why over thr last several years taking any

niacin would make me horribly ill......now there is no question that I

am fast Phase I Thank you, thank you!

~inga

> If someone

> tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

>

\

[Guest guest]

Wow! Thanks. NOw I know why over thr last several years taking any

niacin would make me horribly ill......now there is no question that I

am fast Phase I Thank you, thank you!

~inga

> If someone

> tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

>

\

[Guest guest]

Wow! Thanks. NOw I know why over thr last several years taking any

niacin would make me horribly ill......now there is no question that I

am fast Phase I Thank you, thank you!

~inga

> If someone

> tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

>

\

[Guest guest]

For Fast Phase I, like me, take Niacinamide, 500-1000 mgs. at least three

times per day, plus grapefruit seed extract. Either or is okay too.

Re: Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and

slow phase 2

> Wow! Thanks. NOw I know why over thr last several years taking any

> niacin would make me horribly ill......now there is no question that I

> am fast Phase I Thank you, thank you!

>

> ~inga

>

>

>

> > If someone

> > tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> > one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

> >

> \

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

For Fast Phase I, like me, take Niacinamide, 500-1000 mgs. at least three

times per day, plus grapefruit seed extract. Either or is okay too.

Re: Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and

slow phase 2

> Wow! Thanks. NOw I know why over thr last several years taking any

> niacin would make me horribly ill......now there is no question that I

> am fast Phase I Thank you, thank you!

>

> ~inga

>

>

>

> > If someone

> > tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> > one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

> >

> \

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

For Fast Phase I, like me, take Niacinamide, 500-1000 mgs. at least three

times per day, plus grapefruit seed extract. Either or is okay too.

Re: Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and

slow phase 2

> Wow! Thanks. NOw I know why over thr last several years taking any

> niacin would make me horribly ill......now there is no question that I

> am fast Phase I Thank you, thank you!

>

> ~inga

>

>

>

> > If someone

> > tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> > one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

> >

> \

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is this fast Phase 1, slow Phase 2 discussed in the hair test book? I

just have the Amalgam Illness book and don't understand how you know

if you're slow or fast and what it all means. Thanks.

>

> > If someone

> > tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> > one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

[Guest guest]

Is this fast Phase 1, slow Phase 2 discussed in the hair test book? I

just have the Amalgam Illness book and don't understand how you know

if you're slow or fast and what it all means. Thanks.

>

> > If someone

> > tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> > one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

[Guest guest]

Is this fast Phase 1, slow Phase 2 discussed in the hair test book? I

just have the Amalgam Illness book and don't understand how you know

if you're slow or fast and what it all means. Thanks.

>

> > If someone

> > tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> > one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

[Guest guest]

You have to have the test done. I had mine done a few years back through

Great Smokies, but I don't know if they still do phase 1 and phase 2 detox

pathways tests. You have to go to a doc who knows where to order it. It's

done by blood. Andy tells you in the book what to do about it. Fast phase

1 goes along with chemical sensitivities, but I don't know about phase II.

Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and slow

phase 2

Is this fast Phase 1, slow Phase 2 discussed in the hair test book? I

just have the Amalgam Illness book and don't understand how you know

if you're slow or fast and what it all means. Thanks.

>

> > If someone

> > tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> > one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.

[Guest guest]

You have to have the test done. I had mine done a few years back through

Great Smokies, but I don't know if they still do phase 1 and phase 2 detox

pathways tests. You have to go to a doc who knows where to order it. It's

done by blood. Andy tells you in the book what to do about it. Fast phase

1 goes along with chemical sensitivities, but I don't know about phase II.

Re: Chelating with fast phase 1and slow

phase 2

Is this fast Phase 1, slow Phase 2 discussed in the hair test book? I

just have the Amalgam Illness book and don't understand how you know

if you're slow or fast and what it all means. Thanks.

>

> > If someone

> > tries niacinamide, be sure it is NOT niacin which speeds up phase

> > one instead. Just wanted to make that distinction.