Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 > > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > Yes... So? It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy customer is a very rare bird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 > > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > Yes... So? It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy customer is a very rare bird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 > > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > Yes... So? It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy customer is a very rare bird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 Pete, you're still a stepper, right? Well, it's starting to show. Adios. J. > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > > > Yes... So? > > It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric > patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy > customer is a very rare bird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 Pete, you're still a stepper, right? Well, it's starting to show. Adios. J. > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > > > Yes... So? > > It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric > patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy > customer is a very rare bird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 Pete, you're still a stepper, right? Well, it's starting to show. Adios. J. > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > > > Yes... So? > > It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric > patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy > customer is a very rare bird! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 > Pete, you're still a stepper, right? Well, it's starting to show. > Adios. The " Adios " presumably means I'm not allowed to answer the accusation. How fair-minded of you. " Stepper " ought to mean practising the 12 step program, so the answer is no. This is a pretty lame jibe Jim. Many, perhaps most, steppers express hostility toward psychiatry just like you do. It is one of their most damaging effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 10:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, watts_pete@... writes: << Hi again Dixie Nice to see another supporter of psychiatry (and antidep use). I hope to go on an SSRI myself soon. Having said that, I think you are being unfair to Psychology. Clinical Psychology is every bit as scientific as Psychiatry, though of course other branches of Psychology, such as Psychoanalysis, are not. Unfortunately many clinical psychologists do abuse their licenses by diverging into pseduscientific psychology. However psychistrist probably do that as much too. Pete >> again, there are perfectly " respectable " attempts at science in psychology and pharmacology in psychiatry. The mainstream of academic psychology concerns itself with cognitition and learning and is based upon scientific experimentation. There are still lunatics who are (here we go again) cultists who would adhere to a certain approach because of the charisma of a leader, best example Freud. Making an entire field a boogey man without knowing what is really going on is not doing justice to oneself or others. Thanks Pete. Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 10:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, watts_pete@... writes: << Hi again Dixie Nice to see another supporter of psychiatry (and antidep use). I hope to go on an SSRI myself soon. Having said that, I think you are being unfair to Psychology. Clinical Psychology is every bit as scientific as Psychiatry, though of course other branches of Psychology, such as Psychoanalysis, are not. Unfortunately many clinical psychologists do abuse their licenses by diverging into pseduscientific psychology. However psychistrist probably do that as much too. Pete >> again, there are perfectly " respectable " attempts at science in psychology and pharmacology in psychiatry. The mainstream of academic psychology concerns itself with cognitition and learning and is based upon scientific experimentation. There are still lunatics who are (here we go again) cultists who would adhere to a certain approach because of the charisma of a leader, best example Freud. Making an entire field a boogey man without knowing what is really going on is not doing justice to oneself or others. Thanks Pete. Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 10:41:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, wn115@... writes: << Neither discipline has much to do with medicine other than psychiatrists must also be licenced M.D.'s. Psychology is a science, although some psychologists and therapists practice therapies that are unscientific. Confusing, isn't it? <g>. Szasz. M.D., Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/iol10.html You can find more articles here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/szaszwri.html SSRIs have defined and well-studied effects on the brain. They have > proven beneficial to thousands of people, me included. Great. They are some of the most commonly prescribed drugs- worse than coca-cola. I used to be on prozac. At the time I thought it was helping me, but after stopping I'm not so sure now. I know people who believe they have been harmed by SSRI's. Did your doctor take the time to warn you about Serotonin Syndrome? Jim > Dixie This is extremely and highly uniformed and biased, Jim. I think myself and others have pointed out your " blind spots " with regard to all of the literature and outcome studies in pharmacological and psychotherapeutic studies that show significant improvements for people who have life threatening mood disorders, anxiety disorders and psychosis. You are coming from some kind of belief system (it feels like Scientology) that is keeping your from even gathering the data. Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 10:41:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, wn115@... writes: << Neither discipline has much to do with medicine other than psychiatrists must also be licenced M.D.'s. Psychology is a science, although some psychologists and therapists practice therapies that are unscientific. Confusing, isn't it? <g>. Szasz. M.D., Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/iol10.html You can find more articles here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/szaszwri.html SSRIs have defined and well-studied effects on the brain. They have > proven beneficial to thousands of people, me included. Great. They are some of the most commonly prescribed drugs- worse than coca-cola. I used to be on prozac. At the time I thought it was helping me, but after stopping I'm not so sure now. I know people who believe they have been harmed by SSRI's. Did your doctor take the time to warn you about Serotonin Syndrome? Jim > Dixie This is extremely and highly uniformed and biased, Jim. I think myself and others have pointed out your " blind spots " with regard to all of the literature and outcome studies in pharmacological and psychotherapeutic studies that show significant improvements for people who have life threatening mood disorders, anxiety disorders and psychosis. You are coming from some kind of belief system (it feels like Scientology) that is keeping your from even gathering the data. Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 10:41:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, wn115@... writes: << Neither discipline has much to do with medicine other than psychiatrists must also be licenced M.D.'s. Psychology is a science, although some psychologists and therapists practice therapies that are unscientific. Confusing, isn't it? <g>. Szasz. M.D., Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/iol10.html You can find more articles here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/szaszwri.html SSRIs have defined and well-studied effects on the brain. They have > proven beneficial to thousands of people, me included. Great. They are some of the most commonly prescribed drugs- worse than coca-cola. I used to be on prozac. At the time I thought it was helping me, but after stopping I'm not so sure now. I know people who believe they have been harmed by SSRI's. Did your doctor take the time to warn you about Serotonin Syndrome? Jim > Dixie This is extremely and highly uniformed and biased, Jim. I think myself and others have pointed out your " blind spots " with regard to all of the literature and outcome studies in pharmacological and psychotherapeutic studies that show significant improvements for people who have life threatening mood disorders, anxiety disorders and psychosis. You are coming from some kind of belief system (it feels like Scientology) that is keeping your from even gathering the data. Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 10:59:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, 061450@... writes: << > Szasz. M.D., > Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the > differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I disagree.... ~~~eric >> I think that Szasz made us think more critically in some areas and Laing was coming from an esoteric viewpoint that was way out there that just didn't pay off scientifically, as we can see from the aid the psychotropics have given people in trouble. I think the use of these two as references for a radical negation of the aid that people can receive from psychology, social work, and psychiatry is a charlatan ruse. Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 10:59:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, 061450@... writes: << > Szasz. M.D., > Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the > differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I disagree.... ~~~eric >> I think that Szasz made us think more critically in some areas and Laing was coming from an esoteric viewpoint that was way out there that just didn't pay off scientifically, as we can see from the aid the psychotropics have given people in trouble. I think the use of these two as references for a radical negation of the aid that people can receive from psychology, social work, and psychiatry is a charlatan ruse. Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 10:59:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, 061450@... writes: << > Szasz. M.D., > Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the > differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I disagree.... ~~~eric >> I think that Szasz made us think more critically in some areas and Laing was coming from an esoteric viewpoint that was way out there that just didn't pay off scientifically, as we can see from the aid the psychotropics have given people in trouble. I think the use of these two as references for a radical negation of the aid that people can receive from psychology, social work, and psychiatry is a charlatan ruse. Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/5/01 1:51:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, wn115@... writes: << >This is extremely and highly uniformed and biased, Jim. I think >myself and >others have pointed out your " blind spots " Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. >> Um did i hit a sore spot ? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/5/01 1:51:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, wn115@... writes: << >This is extremely and highly uniformed and biased, Jim. I think >myself and >others have pointed out your " blind spots " Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. >> Um did i hit a sore spot ? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 >This is extremely and highly uniformed and biased, Jim. I think >myself and >others have pointed out your " blind spots " Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 >This is extremely and highly uniformed and biased, Jim. I think >myself and >others have pointed out your " blind spots " Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 >This is extremely and highly uniformed and biased, Jim. I think >myself and >others have pointed out your " blind spots " Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 > > Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have > called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to > smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. >> > > Um did i hit a sore spot ? LOL. Nah, I'm just keeping you on your toes. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 > > Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have > called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to > smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. >> > > Um did i hit a sore spot ? LOL. Nah, I'm just keeping you on your toes. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 > > Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have > called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to > smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. >> > > Um did i hit a sore spot ? LOL. Nah, I'm just keeping you on your toes. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/5/01 7:02:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, wn115@... writes: << > Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have > called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to > smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. >> > > Um did i hit a sore spot ? LOL. Nah, I'm just keeping you on your toes. Jim >> Any ole time Jim. <G> Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 In a message dated 2/5/01 7:02:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, wn115@... writes: << > Why you little guttersnipe! You have done no such thing. You have > called me names, given one liner attaboys, and have attempted to > smear me as being a Scientologist. Piss Off, Piper. >> > > Um did i hit a sore spot ? LOL. Nah, I'm just keeping you on your toes. Jim >> Any ole time Jim. <G> Piper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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