Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/3/2001 12:41:10 AM Central Standard Time, wn115@... writes: > Szasz. M.D., > Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the > differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I disagree.... ~~~eric " We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers " . --Carl Sagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/3/2001 12:41:10 AM Central Standard Time, wn115@... writes: > Szasz. M.D., > Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the > differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I disagree.... ~~~eric " We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers " . --Carl Sagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/3/2001 12:41:10 AM Central Standard Time, wn115@... writes: > Szasz. M.D., > Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the > differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I disagree.... ~~~eric " We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers " . --Carl Sagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/3/2001 1:36:36 AM Central Standard Time, wn115@... writes: > > > Laing was an > > alcoholic, incidentally. > > And her mother wore army boots. > > > Trouble was one woman's idea of > > freedom was to smear the walls of her room with shit, creating a > > horrific smell and one hell of a health hazard. > > Imagine that! [You really should write for the British press, or > maybe the National Enquirer....] > Why the hostility? ~~~eric The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/3/2001 1:58:05 AM Central Standard Time, watts_pete@... writes: > > > Why the hostility? > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > Yes... So? ~~~eric The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/3/2001 2:05:42 AM Central Standard Time, watts_pete@... writes: > > > > > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > > > Yes... So? > > It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric > patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy > customer is a very rare bird! > > Well, that's true.... :-) ~~~eric The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/3/2001 2:05:42 AM Central Standard Time, watts_pete@... writes: > > > > > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > > > Yes... So? > > It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric > patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy > customer is a very rare bird! > > Well, that's true.... :-) ~~~eric The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 In a message dated 2/3/2001 2:05:42 AM Central Standard Time, watts_pete@... writes: > > > > > > > , youve never been a psychiatric patient, only a PSW... > > > > > Yes... So? > > It was a bit of a dig at Jim, hinting he has been a psychiatric > patient. I doubt I have to tell you that in Psychiatry a happy > customer is a very rare bird! > > Well, that's true.... :-) ~~~eric The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. (Edmund Burke) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > What do you think those medicines do? They have definite effects on >the > body, just as aspirin, opiates, thyroid, and even heart medicine do. > Psychiatry has everything to do with medicine and science; psychology does > not. SSRIs have defined and well-studied effects on the brain. They have > proven beneficial to thousands of people, me included. Hi again Dixie Nice to see another supporter of psychiatry (and antidep use). I hope to go on an SSRI myself soon. Having said that, I think you are being unfair to Psychology. Clinical Psychology is every bit as scientific as Psychiatry, though of course other branches of Psychology, such as Psychoanalysis, are not. Unfortunately many clinical psychologists do abuse their licenses by diverging into pseduscientific psychology. However psychistrist probably do that as much too. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > What do you think those medicines do? They have definite effects on >the > body, just as aspirin, opiates, thyroid, and even heart medicine do. > Psychiatry has everything to do with medicine and science; psychology does > not. SSRIs have defined and well-studied effects on the brain. They have > proven beneficial to thousands of people, me included. Hi again Dixie Nice to see another supporter of psychiatry (and antidep use). I hope to go on an SSRI myself soon. Having said that, I think you are being unfair to Psychology. Clinical Psychology is every bit as scientific as Psychiatry, though of course other branches of Psychology, such as Psychoanalysis, are not. Unfortunately many clinical psychologists do abuse their licenses by diverging into pseduscientific psychology. However psychistrist probably do that as much too. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > What do you think those medicines do? They have definite effects on the > body, just as aspirin, opiates, thyroid, and even heart medicine do. They certainly do. I never said otherwise. > Psychiatry has everything to do with medicine and science; psychology does > not. Neither discipline has much to do with medicine other than psychiatrists must also be licenced M.D.'s. Psychology is a science, although some psychologists and therapists practice therapies that are unscientific. Confusing, isn't it? <g>. Szasz. M.D., Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/iol10.html You can find more articles here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/szaszwri.html SSRIs have defined and well-studied effects on the brain. They have > proven beneficial to thousands of people, me included. Great. They are some of the most commonly prescribed drugs- worse than coca-cola. I used to be on prozac. At the time I thought it was helping me, but after stopping I'm not so sure now. I know people who believe they have been harmed by SSRI's. Did your doctor take the time to warn you about Serotonin Syndrome? Jim > Dixie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > What do you think those medicines do? They have definite effects on the > body, just as aspirin, opiates, thyroid, and even heart medicine do. They certainly do. I never said otherwise. > Psychiatry has everything to do with medicine and science; psychology does > not. Neither discipline has much to do with medicine other than psychiatrists must also be licenced M.D.'s. Psychology is a science, although some psychologists and therapists practice therapies that are unscientific. Confusing, isn't it? <g>. Szasz. M.D., Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus, has a short essay about some of the differences between science, medicine, and psychiatry here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/iol10.html You can find more articles here: http://www.enabling.org/ia/szasz/szaszwri.html SSRIs have defined and well-studied effects on the brain. They have > proven beneficial to thousands of people, me included. Great. They are some of the most commonly prescribed drugs- worse than coca-cola. I used to be on prozac. At the time I thought it was helping me, but after stopping I'm not so sure now. I know people who believe they have been harmed by SSRI's. Did your doctor take the time to warn you about Serotonin Syndrome? Jim > Dixie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental >illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in >psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I >disagree.... You're right. I find it hard to believe that anyone who thinks like Szasz does could ever have seen a schizophrenic patient. Laing was an alcoholic, incidentally. He set up a house for the mentally ill where they could do their own thing as they pleased. Nobody took antipsychotics but they dropped acid or whatever else they fancied which probably made them worse. Trouble was one woman's idea of freedom was to smear the walls of her room with shit, creating a horrific smell and one hell of a health hazard. Had a bit of a problem resolving that one. I heard that after encouraging thousands to avoid drug treatment, when one of his own daughters became psychotic years later, he put her on drug treatment. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental >illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in >psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I >disagree.... You're right. I find it hard to believe that anyone who thinks like Szasz does could ever have seen a schizophrenic patient. Laing was an alcoholic, incidentally. He set up a house for the mentally ill where they could do their own thing as they pleased. Nobody took antipsychotics but they dropped acid or whatever else they fancied which probably made them worse. Trouble was one woman's idea of freedom was to smear the walls of her room with shit, creating a horrific smell and one hell of a health hazard. Had a bit of a problem resolving that one. I heard that after encouraging thousands to avoid drug treatment, when one of his own daughters became psychotic years later, he put her on drug treatment. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental >illness as 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in >psychotropics. I've seen schizophrenics without their meds.....I >disagree.... You're right. I find it hard to believe that anyone who thinks like Szasz does could ever have seen a schizophrenic patient. Laing was an alcoholic, incidentally. He set up a house for the mentally ill where they could do their own thing as they pleased. Nobody took antipsychotics but they dropped acid or whatever else they fancied which probably made them worse. Trouble was one woman's idea of freedom was to smear the walls of her room with shit, creating a horrific smell and one hell of a health hazard. Had a bit of a problem resolving that one. I heard that after encouraging thousands to avoid drug treatment, when one of his own daughters became psychotic years later, he put her on drug treatment. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Laing was an > alcoholic, incidentally. And her mother wore army boots. > Trouble was one woman's idea of > freedom was to smear the walls of her room with shit, creating a > horrific smell and one hell of a health hazard. Imagine that! [You really should write for the British press, or maybe the National Enquirer....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Laing was an > alcoholic, incidentally. And her mother wore army boots. > Trouble was one woman's idea of > freedom was to smear the walls of her room with shit, creating a > horrific smell and one hell of a health hazard. Imagine that! [You really should write for the British press, or maybe the National Enquirer....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Laing was an > alcoholic, incidentally. And her mother wore army boots. > Trouble was one woman's idea of > freedom was to smear the walls of her room with shit, creating a > horrific smell and one hell of a health hazard. Imagine that! [You really should write for the British press, or maybe the National Enquirer....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Szasz is kind of a nut case, along with R D Lang. They see mental illness as > 'an alternate lifestyle' and don'tbelieve in psychotropics. I've seen > schizophrenics without their meds.....I disagree.... Hi , That Szasz would be very unpopular in your line of work is understandable. What you refer to sounds more like Lang, not Szasz. I think you would enjoy Szasz. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Why the hostility? > > ~~~eric You're kidding me, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Why the hostility? > > ~~~eric You're kidding me, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Why the hostility? > > ~~~eric You're kidding me, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > > Laing was an > > alcoholic, incidentally. > > And her mother wore army boots. that Laing was an active alcoholic while advocating his theories I DO think is rather relevant. > > > Trouble was one woman's idea of > > freedom was to smear the walls of her room with shit, creating a > > horrific smell and one hell of a health hazard. > > Imagine that! [You really should write for the British press, or > maybe the National Enquirer....] ....And that someone should create a community where this kind of behavior was seriously considered to be healthy and acceptable is ALSO relevant to assessing the value of that person's ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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