Re: Re: Headaches in the morning!!

June 15, 2005

Most likely the meds for the depression did not help the thyroid

either......some of the more common ones used for depression may exacerbate

thyroid dysfunction or even cause.... these include lithium(a biggie that

way for thyroid probs related) and prozac. I am astonished at how many meds

have significant detrimental effects on the thyroid, and also there are a

lot that have significant wight gain, not only in the psychoactive drugs,

but ones for diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure,anxiety, and so

forth.

I am glad to see you here again, ((((((Dianne))))))

Feisty

Re: Re: Headaches in the morning!!

> Hi, Betty,

>

> Early on, I was too busy being a new wife. After that I was busy

> raising my sister's four kids. Who had time to be sick? I mean, I would

> tell the doctor how I felt, but I would be blown off with " It is probably

> just your hormones or depression, Dianne. You have a very busy life and

> all women complain of these things. " What a load of baloney!

>

> In any event, the depression did send me to the hospital five

> times and each time the doctors noticed the low thyroid, but didn't do

> anything. It was my psychiatrist who decided to check into this and

> prescribed Armour instead of Synthroid, but he went through my family

> doctor to do that. I no longer see the psychiatrist (he had moved to

> another state) and my current doctor just doesn't listen to me where the

> thyroid is concerned.

>

> After starting Armour, everything got better and continued to

> improve for the first six months. After that, the things that had taken a

> longer time to show up were gradually improving, so I was not unhappy with

> the results until about two years ago. My doctor does not understand that

> I am really sick and tired of being sick and tired.

>

> I will see what this other doctor thinks of all of this. BTW, I

> have also found out that a DO rather than an MD is more likely to

prescribe

> Armour than Synthroid because they spend more time learning about how the

> various body systems work rather than listening to the drug company reps

> blurbs about how good the newest medications are. They new ones are the

> most expensive and I won't take them.

>

> Dianne

>

> At 10:06 PM 6/14/05, you wrote:

>

> >Oh I am so sorry, you must have had a rough time of it. As I look back, I

> >really believe that I was undermedicated all those years on synthroid.

> >

> >I just hope that our sources will always be available. One of these days

I

> >am going to find a good doctor. There are not many in these neck of the

> >woods.LOL

>

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June 15, 2005

Most likely the meds for the depression did not help the thyroid

either......some of the more common ones used for depression may exacerbate

thyroid dysfunction or even cause.... these include lithium(a biggie that

way for thyroid probs related) and prozac. I am astonished at how many meds

have significant detrimental effects on the thyroid, and also there are a

lot that have significant wight gain, not only in the psychoactive drugs,

but ones for diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure,anxiety, and so

forth.

I am glad to see you here again, ((((((Dianne))))))

Feisty

Re: Re: Headaches in the morning!!

> Hi, Betty,

>

> Early on, I was too busy being a new wife. After that I was busy

> raising my sister's four kids. Who had time to be sick? I mean, I would

> tell the doctor how I felt, but I would be blown off with " It is probably

> just your hormones or depression, Dianne. You have a very busy life and

> all women complain of these things. " What a load of baloney!

>

> In any event, the depression did send me to the hospital five

> times and each time the doctors noticed the low thyroid, but didn't do

> anything. It was my psychiatrist who decided to check into this and

> prescribed Armour instead of Synthroid, but he went through my family

> doctor to do that. I no longer see the psychiatrist (he had moved to

> another state) and my current doctor just doesn't listen to me where the

> thyroid is concerned.

>

> After starting Armour, everything got better and continued to

> improve for the first six months. After that, the things that had taken a

> longer time to show up were gradually improving, so I was not unhappy with

> the results until about two years ago. My doctor does not understand that

> I am really sick and tired of being sick and tired.

>

> I will see what this other doctor thinks of all of this. BTW, I

> have also found out that a DO rather than an MD is more likely to

prescribe

> Armour than Synthroid because they spend more time learning about how the

> various body systems work rather than listening to the drug company reps

> blurbs about how good the newest medications are. They new ones are the

> most expensive and I won't take them.

>

> Dianne

>

> At 10:06 PM 6/14/05, you wrote:

>

> >Oh I am so sorry, you must have had a rough time of it. As I look back, I

> >really believe that I was undermedicated all those years on synthroid.

> >

> >I just hope that our sources will always be available. One of these days

I

> >am going to find a good doctor. There are not many in these neck of the

> >woods.LOL

>

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June 15, 2005

Most likely the meds for the depression did not help the thyroid

either......some of the more common ones used for depression may exacerbate

thyroid dysfunction or even cause.... these include lithium(a biggie that

way for thyroid probs related) and prozac. I am astonished at how many meds

have significant detrimental effects on the thyroid, and also there are a

lot that have significant wight gain, not only in the psychoactive drugs,

but ones for diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure,anxiety, and so

forth.

I am glad to see you here again, ((((((Dianne))))))

Feisty

Re: Re: Headaches in the morning!!

> Hi, Betty,

>

> Early on, I was too busy being a new wife. After that I was busy

> raising my sister's four kids. Who had time to be sick? I mean, I would

> tell the doctor how I felt, but I would be blown off with " It is probably

> just your hormones or depression, Dianne. You have a very busy life and

> all women complain of these things. " What a load of baloney!

>

> In any event, the depression did send me to the hospital five

> times and each time the doctors noticed the low thyroid, but didn't do

> anything. It was my psychiatrist who decided to check into this and

> prescribed Armour instead of Synthroid, but he went through my family

> doctor to do that. I no longer see the psychiatrist (he had moved to

> another state) and my current doctor just doesn't listen to me where the

> thyroid is concerned.

>

> After starting Armour, everything got better and continued to

> improve for the first six months. After that, the things that had taken a

> longer time to show up were gradually improving, so I was not unhappy with

> the results until about two years ago. My doctor does not understand that

> I am really sick and tired of being sick and tired.

>

> I will see what this other doctor thinks of all of this. BTW, I

> have also found out that a DO rather than an MD is more likely to

prescribe

> Armour than Synthroid because they spend more time learning about how the

> various body systems work rather than listening to the drug company reps

> blurbs about how good the newest medications are. They new ones are the

> most expensive and I won't take them.

>

> Dianne

>

> At 10:06 PM 6/14/05, you wrote:

>

> >Oh I am so sorry, you must have had a rough time of it. As I look back, I

> >really believe that I was undermedicated all those years on synthroid.

> >

> >I just hope that our sources will always be available. One of these days

I

> >am going to find a good doctor. There are not many in these neck of the

> >woods.LOL

>

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June 15, 2005

Dianne

Which type of anemia, the B12 or folic acid? What are the characteristics

of your red blood cells? Enlarged, too few, too small, or what? MCV

greater or lesser? If enlarged and MCV is more than normal, then your

anemia is coming from either the B12 shortage, or a folic acid shortage.

You need the methylmalonic urine test for the B12, instead of just the B12

serum, and you need the Red Blood Cell Folate and the Homocysteine for the

folic acid, instead of just serum folic acid. Why has your doc not retested

this?

Re: Re: Headaches in the morning!!

> Hello, Betty,

>

> I have a few thoughts regarding what the doctors consider us to

> be.... I won't share them....

>

> My name is Dianne, now 58 and was originally diagnosed

hypothyroid

> in 1966, but my meds were stopped shortly after I married (we also

> moved). The " low thyroid " problem was acknowledged by every doctor I saw

> over the years, but no one did anything about it other than to tell me

that

> I was depressed. Hmmm... In 1991 my doctor started me on Synthroid. I

> kept complaining that something else had to be wrong or I would feel

> better. I mean what was the point in prescribing medication that did not

> make things better? Even now, my current doctor will not prescribe more

> than 2 grains of Armour. To heck with that. I went to Mexico and bought

> more 2 grain and some 3 grain. I will be cutting up the 3 grain tabs so

> that I can do the gradual increase to 3 grains a day.

>

> Armour is very powerful, especially when the thyroid problem has

> not been addressed before. I had been on Synthroid or one of its clines

> for years with no improvement. When I switched to Armour I knew the

> difference within a couple of weeks. Wow! It really ticks me off that th

e

> doctors have so little regard for us that they won't even do their own

> research into this.

>

> BTW, my doctor also has me on B-12 shots every two

> weeks. Although no new testing has been done, my last two test reports

> indicated that I have become somewhat anemic....

>

> Dianne

June 15, 2005

Dianne

Which type of anemia, the B12 or folic acid? What are the characteristics

of your red blood cells? Enlarged, too few, too small, or what? MCV

greater or lesser? If enlarged and MCV is more than normal, then your

anemia is coming from either the B12 shortage, or a folic acid shortage.

You need the methylmalonic urine test for the B12, instead of just the B12

serum, and you need the Red Blood Cell Folate and the Homocysteine for the

folic acid, instead of just serum folic acid. Why has your doc not retested

this?

Re: Re: Headaches in the morning!!

> Hello, Betty,

>

> I have a few thoughts regarding what the doctors consider us to

> be.... I won't share them....

>

> My name is Dianne, now 58 and was originally diagnosed

hypothyroid

> in 1966, but my meds were stopped shortly after I married (we also

> moved). The " low thyroid " problem was acknowledged by every doctor I saw

> over the years, but no one did anything about it other than to tell me

that

> I was depressed. Hmmm... In 1991 my doctor started me on Synthroid. I

> kept complaining that something else had to be wrong or I would feel

> better. I mean what was the point in prescribing medication that did not

> make things better? Even now, my current doctor will not prescribe more

> than 2 grains of Armour. To heck with that. I went to Mexico and bought

> more 2 grain and some 3 grain. I will be cutting up the 3 grain tabs so

> that I can do the gradual increase to 3 grains a day.

>

> Armour is very powerful, especially when the thyroid problem has

> not been addressed before. I had been on Synthroid or one of its clines

> for years with no improvement. When I switched to Armour I knew the

> difference within a couple of weeks. Wow! It really ticks me off that th

e

> doctors have so little regard for us that they won't even do their own

> research into this.

>

> BTW, my doctor also has me on B-12 shots every two

> weeks. Although no new testing has been done, my last two test reports

> indicated that I have become somewhat anemic....

>

> Dianne

June 15, 2005

Hi, !

It is good to be back and talking to the folks who have made all

of this thyroid stuff so much clearer for me. I read your messages about

your experiences with those hospitals and thought of how I would have

responded. It would not have been pretty or genteel.... LOL

From 1981 until 1990, I was on one form of Lithium or

another. After a hiatus of two years, I was given Depakote (Valproic Acid)

and stayed on that until 1995. The weight gain was awful and no amount of

dieting brought it down again. While doing some research online, I learned

that these two drugs can suppress the metabolism, and, worse, can actually

leave the thyroid with no ability to recover to its previous level of

function. Since I was already low thyroid function before the drugs, you

can imagine what has been going on with me. My weight is now at a record

high and no end in sight. At least 20 pound of my current weight is

probably " summer edema " which is why I need to get rid of it. I will start

my ide in the morning (called in for a scrip this morning).

I may be having more surgery to repair another hernia in the old

abdominal incision scars. I will have a different surgeon this time (the

other one retired). This one does want the CAT scan of the abdomen first

so that he can know whether anything else is going on in there or not. I

start drinking some sort of barium mixture at 8 p.m. on

Thursday. Yuck! Assuming that nothing is going on that changes things, I

will probably go ahead and schedule the surgery for the end of June so that

hubby is at home for the first few days. After that, my neighbors will

take over for him.

Things have been going pretty well, but a recent trip to Missouri

seems to have upset my ability to get rid of the water gain. It was very

humid there and the heat and humidity matched. I am not used to

that. When I got back to Phoenix, it was in the 90s with very low

humidity. My legs look like tree trunks... After I answer some emails, I

must go put my legs up.

Dianne

At 12:04 AM 6/15/05, you wrote:

>Most likely the meds for the depression did not help the thyroid

>either......some of the more common ones used for depression may exacerbate

>thyroid dysfunction or even cause.... these include lithium(a biggie that

>way for thyroid probs related) and prozac. I am astonished at how many meds

>have significant detrimental effects on the thyroid, and also there are a

>lot that have significant wight gain, not only in the psychoactive drugs,

>but ones for diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure,anxiety, and so

>forth.

>

>I am glad to see you here again, ((((((Dianne))))))

>

>Feisty

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