Re: Addiction treatment scam

January 25, 2001

way too much time on your hands to be randomly throwing word connections at your search engine in effort to hunt down anything that might be related to a past behavior that has no more relavance today than ....... what you choose to give it by reactionist thinking ....... and living.

just a thought

Steve

January 25, 2001

way too much time on your hands to be randomly throwing word connections at your search engine in effort to hunt down anything that might be related to a past behavior that has no more relavance today than ....... what you choose to give it by reactionist thinking ....... and living.

just a thought

Steve

January 25, 2001

Posted this one on Usenet just a second ago Tommy. Also copied the page.

Thanx it was an eye opener. You know I'm still coming to grips with just

how pervasive this problem is and how it continues to grow.

When's it going to reach critical mass for chrissake?

> Addiction treatment scam

>

>I found this by putting three words, addiction treatment scam, in the

>Google search engine. It's encouraging that some factions of the

>mainstream media know what's going on.

>http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/030200/coverstory.html

>

January 25, 2001

Posted this one on Usenet just a second ago Tommy. Also copied the page.

Thanx it was an eye opener. You know I'm still coming to grips with just

how pervasive this problem is and how it continues to grow.

When's it going to reach critical mass for chrissake?

> Addiction treatment scam

>

>I found this by putting three words, addiction treatment scam, in the

>Google search engine. It's encouraging that some factions of the

>mainstream media know what's going on.

>http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/030200/coverstory.html

>

January 25, 2001

it should have back in 80's with STRAIGHT Inc. i had a friend who

was in it, it was a fucking concentration camp. some people

were trapped in it for years. read this

http://www.geocities.com/snoffl/straight.html

http://www.rickross.com/groups/straightinc.html

> Posted this one on Usenet just a second ago Tommy. Also

copied the page.

> Thanx it was an eye opener. You know I'm still coming to grips

with just

> how pervasive this problem is and how it continues to grow.

>

> When's it going to reach critical mass for chrissake?

>

> > Addiction treatment scam

> >

> >I found this by putting three words, addiction treatment scam,

in the

> >Google search engine. It's encouraging that some factions of

the

> >mainstream media know what's going on.

>

>http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/030200/coverstory.html

> >

January 25, 2001

Hey Dave,

Was this 12-step? Also, I presume it no longer exists?

I was wondering abt the " critical mass " factor. The way things are

going with the Drug War/Mass Treatment demon twins then sooner or

later every young kid in America is going to end up having gone

through prison or rehab or both. Eventually its just going to be a

part of life, like spending time as a monk in Tibet or whatever.

Steppism will be completely dissipated of its power because everybody

will be saying " Been there. Done that. " Hopefully.

P.

> > Posted this one on Usenet just a second ago Tommy. Also

> copied the page.

> > Thanx it was an eye opener. You know I'm still coming to grips

> with just

> > how pervasive this problem is and how it continues to grow.

> >

> > When's it going to reach critical mass for chrissake?

> >

> > > Addiction treatment scam

> > >

> > >I found this by putting three words, addiction treatment scam,

> in the

> > >Google search engine. It's encouraging that some factions of

> the

> > >mainstream media know what's going on.

> >

> >http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/030200/coverstory.html

> > >

January 25, 2001

I'd read the Synanon story before, but seeing it again (and Straight

Inc) is just fucking amazing. Soviet Psychiatry meets Maoist Thought

Reform. Plus rattlesnake attmepted murder - pure Bond! One

thing that really jumped out at me was kids not being allowed sugar

and white flour. That only happens to be of course, the rule at my

former rehab and many other 12-step places, and very common in OA, for

ppl with eating disorders! How interesting to find out its origin -

though originally there doesnt seem to be any suggestion of it only

being kids with eating disorders who had to stick to it, but

everybody. Mind you, it sounds like you didnt really have to a

problem at all to be sent into one of the hellholes. Kinda makes me

feel my childhood wasnt so bad after all.

P.

January 25, 2001

its been " reorganized " . law suits will do that to you. i honeslty

dont knwi f they still exist today or not. it may have had some

12-step in it, but it was basicaly brain washing.

> > > Posted this one on Usenet just a second ago Tommy.

Also

> > copied the page.

> > > Thanx it was an eye opener. You know I'm still coming to

grips

> > with just

> > > how pervasive this problem is and how it continues to

grow.

> > >

> > > When's it going to reach critical mass for chrissake?

> > >

> > > > Addiction treatment scam

> > > >

> > > >I found this by putting three words, addiction treatment

scam,

> > in the

> > > >Google search engine. It's encouraging that some

factions of

> > the

> > > >mainstream media know what's going on.

> > >

> >

>http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/030200/coverstory.html

> > > >

January 25, 2001

> its been " reorganized " . law suits will do that to you. i honeslty

> dont knwi f they still exist today or not. it may have had some

> 12-step in it, but it was basicaly brain washing.

A website said that Straight Inc basically shrank the steps down to 7

(taking out 's padding back to the original probably) to get

round copyright but was basically the same.

P.

January 26, 2001

Excuse me, Steve, but I don't quite know what the fuck you are trying

to say. Can you be more specific, or can you tell me what I should be

doing with all the time (I work about 60 hrs a week) I have on my

hands.

> way too much time on your hands to be randomly throwing word

connections at

> your search engine in effort to hunt down anything that might be

related to a

> past behavior that has no more relavance today than ....... what you

choose

> to give it by reactionist thinking ....... and living.

>

> just a thought

>

> Steve

January 26, 2001

Excuse me, Steve, but I don't quite know what the fuck you are trying

to say. Can you be more specific, or can you tell me what I should be

doing with all the time (I work about 60 hrs a week) I have on my

hands.

> way too much time on your hands to be randomly throwing word

connections at

> your search engine in effort to hunt down anything that might be

related to a

> past behavior that has no more relavance today than ....... what you

choose

> to give it by reactionist thinking ....... and living.

>

> just a thought

>

> Steve

January 27, 2001

I notice that Greenberg of Walden House was quoted in this article

about treatment scams.

Greenberg is a " rubber stamp doctor " for all of the Walden House facilities

in northern California. He makes the rounds of the different centers once

per month to " review " patient files -- the observations collected by

minimally trained front line counseling staff.

This review consists of signing the correct paperwork to ensure that Walden

House can continue collecting welfare benefits like SSI and food stamps on

behalf of its residents.

Heh.

Addiction treatment scam

> I found this by putting three words, addiction treatment scam, in the

> Google search engine. It's encouraging that some factions of the

> mainstream media know what's going on.

> http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/030200/coverstory.html

>

January 27, 2001

I notice that Greenberg of Walden House was quoted in this article

about treatment scams.

Greenberg is a " rubber stamp doctor " for all of the Walden House facilities

in northern California. He makes the rounds of the different centers once

per month to " review " patient files -- the observations collected by

minimally trained front line counseling staff.

This review consists of signing the correct paperwork to ensure that Walden

House can continue collecting welfare benefits like SSI and food stamps on

behalf of its residents.

Heh.

Addiction treatment scam

> I found this by putting three words, addiction treatment scam, in the

> Google search engine. It's encouraging that some factions of the

> mainstream media know what's going on.

> http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/030200/coverstory.html

>

January 27, 2001

I notice that Greenberg of Walden House was quoted in this article

about treatment scams.

Greenberg is a " rubber stamp doctor " for all of the Walden House facilities

in northern California. He makes the rounds of the different centers once

per month to " review " patient files -- the observations collected by

minimally trained front line counseling staff.

This review consists of signing the correct paperwork to ensure that Walden

House can continue collecting welfare benefits like SSI and food stamps on

behalf of its residents.

Heh.

Addiction treatment scam

> I found this by putting three words, addiction treatment scam, in the

> Google search engine. It's encouraging that some factions of the

> mainstream media know what's going on.

> http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/030200/coverstory.html

>

January 27, 2001

You know very well what I was saying, that is why you reacted the way you did. Profanity is never neccessary.

January 27, 2001

You know very well what I was saying, that is why you reacted the way you did. Profanity is never neccessary.

January 27, 2001

You know very well what I was saying, that is why you reacted the way you did. Profanity is never neccessary.

January 27, 2001

Hi All,

The topic was not my point. Although I no longer have his original post, I'm positive that it was relative and helpful, as always.

He did say that he found the information by entering topicly loose word groups associated with a past behavior into a search and came up with the material. Therein is my point. Now, please don't take the following as an attack on anybody's personal identity or sense of purpose ..... it is meant to be thought provokingly helpful only and not meant to be judgemental, demeaning or negative in any way .......

There is a lot of energy focused here, almost obsessively with some people, on living in the past negative experience of alcoholism and hack psuedo-religious crap espoused by mindless aa cultism. If we are to move forward in life, we gotta stop reacting to the past and and move forward with the knowledge we have gained from our experiences in pro-action. It is obvious that we are the sum of our experiences but we have the choice of making that knowledge an anchor to the past or wind in our sails to a positive and and empowered future. If knowledge is power, that power can have no effect whatsoever on what has already happened, only on how we exercise that strength gained through our actions today in building tomorrow. If what does not kill us makes us stronger, then I really can't give credence to the thought that I should waste that strength carting around a big steemer trunk of baggage about those circumstances that occurred yesterday. I have strenthg and wisdom to percieve what is before me, make decissions that are positive and continue to enrich my self so that my world can become a better place to hang out and just ooze positivity. ..... and goof on "streight people" with my handy-dandy whoopie cushion.

Ok, so alcohol doesn't work for you and niether does aa. What now? What the hell are you gonna do about it? Are ya gonna sit around with that mirror so close to your face that you can't see the future, play peek-a-boo with it , or just throw the damn thing down and get on with life.

None of this is said from personal ignorance. I'm sure I have my own quota of negative history that would make the average "grouper" piss thier pants, but ya know what, so what. Although it has contributed to my character, I does not determine my character today. That is my choice. I will not be a puppet to the past nor will I allow others to trap me in it. I get up each new beautiful day and look to what can happen and make the best of it that I can. I don't have bad days because I don't want to ......

I have two omnipitant philosophies that empower my life .... "Lif'e's too short to be miserable for more that five minutes at a time" and "Fuck it". I applaud you folks for providing this rescource and forum for those that are still entangled in the crap of alcoholism and steppism. People need this to show them that there can be sanity in thier lives and that they don't have to be victims. That is the positive message of the group as a whole. There is also the underlying feeling from some here that thier lives are still muddled in an ongoing "not so positive" way with narrow self identifications based on history.

thank you all for your contemplation,

Steve

January 27, 2001

Hi All,

The topic was not my point. Although I no longer have his original post, I'm positive that it was relative and helpful, as always.

He did say that he found the information by entering topicly loose word groups associated with a past behavior into a search and came up with the material. Therein is my point. Now, please don't take the following as an attack on anybody's personal identity or sense of purpose ..... it is meant to be thought provokingly helpful only and not meant to be judgemental, demeaning or negative in any way .......

There is a lot of energy focused here, almost obsessively with some people, on living in the past negative experience of alcoholism and hack psuedo-religious crap espoused by mindless aa cultism. If we are to move forward in life, we gotta stop reacting to the past and and move forward with the knowledge we have gained from our experiences in pro-action. It is obvious that we are the sum of our experiences but we have the choice of making that knowledge an anchor to the past or wind in our sails to a positive and and empowered future. If knowledge is power, that power can have no effect whatsoever on what has already happened, only on how we exercise that strength gained through our actions today in building tomorrow. If what does not kill us makes us stronger, then I really can't give credence to the thought that I should waste that strength carting around a big steemer trunk of baggage about those circumstances that occurred yesterday. I have strenthg and wisdom to percieve what is before me, make decissions that are positive and continue to enrich my self so that my world can become a better place to hang out and just ooze positivity. ..... and goof on "streight people" with my handy-dandy whoopie cushion.

Ok, so alcohol doesn't work for you and niether does aa. What now? What the hell are you gonna do about it? Are ya gonna sit around with that mirror so close to your face that you can't see the future, play peek-a-boo with it , or just throw the damn thing down and get on with life.

None of this is said from personal ignorance. I'm sure I have my own quota of negative history that would make the average "grouper" piss thier pants, but ya know what, so what. Although it has contributed to my character, I does not determine my character today. That is my choice. I will not be a puppet to the past nor will I allow others to trap me in it. I get up each new beautiful day and look to what can happen and make the best of it that I can. I don't have bad days because I don't want to ......

I have two omnipitant philosophies that empower my life .... "Lif'e's too short to be miserable for more that five minutes at a time" and "Fuck it". I applaud you folks for providing this rescource and forum for those that are still entangled in the crap of alcoholism and steppism. People need this to show them that there can be sanity in thier lives and that they don't have to be victims. That is the positive message of the group as a whole. There is also the underlying feeling from some here that thier lives are still muddled in an ongoing "not so positive" way with narrow self identifications based on history.

thank you all for your contemplation,

Steve

January 27, 2001

Hi All,

The topic was not my point. Although I no longer have his original post, I'm positive that it was relative and helpful, as always.

He did say that he found the information by entering topicly loose word groups associated with a past behavior into a search and came up with the material. Therein is my point. Now, please don't take the following as an attack on anybody's personal identity or sense of purpose ..... it is meant to be thought provokingly helpful only and not meant to be judgemental, demeaning or negative in any way .......

There is a lot of energy focused here, almost obsessively with some people, on living in the past negative experience of alcoholism and hack psuedo-religious crap espoused by mindless aa cultism. If we are to move forward in life, we gotta stop reacting to the past and and move forward with the knowledge we have gained from our experiences in pro-action. It is obvious that we are the sum of our experiences but we have the choice of making that knowledge an anchor to the past or wind in our sails to a positive and and empowered future. If knowledge is power, that power can have no effect whatsoever on what has already happened, only on how we exercise that strength gained through our actions today in building tomorrow. If what does not kill us makes us stronger, then I really can't give credence to the thought that I should waste that strength carting around a big steemer trunk of baggage about those circumstances that occurred yesterday. I have strenthg and wisdom to percieve what is before me, make decissions that are positive and continue to enrich my self so that my world can become a better place to hang out and just ooze positivity. ..... and goof on "streight people" with my handy-dandy whoopie cushion.

Ok, so alcohol doesn't work for you and niether does aa. What now? What the hell are you gonna do about it? Are ya gonna sit around with that mirror so close to your face that you can't see the future, play peek-a-boo with it , or just throw the damn thing down and get on with life.

None of this is said from personal ignorance. I'm sure I have my own quota of negative history that would make the average "grouper" piss thier pants, but ya know what, so what. Although it has contributed to my character, I does not determine my character today. That is my choice. I will not be a puppet to the past nor will I allow others to trap me in it. I get up each new beautiful day and look to what can happen and make the best of it that I can. I don't have bad days because I don't want to ......

I have two omnipitant philosophies that empower my life .... "Lif'e's too short to be miserable for more that five minutes at a time" and "Fuck it". I applaud you folks for providing this rescource and forum for those that are still entangled in the crap of alcoholism and steppism. People need this to show them that there can be sanity in thier lives and that they don't have to be victims. That is the positive message of the group as a whole. There is also the underlying feeling from some here that thier lives are still muddled in an ongoing "not so positive" way with narrow self identifications based on history.

thank you all for your contemplation,

Steve

January 27, 2001

Hi All,

The topic was not my point. Although I no longer have his original post, I'm positive that it was relative and helpful, as always.

He did say that he found the information by entering topicly loose word groups associated with a past behavior into a search and came up with the material. Therein is my point. Now, please don't take the following as an attack on anybody's personal identity or sense of purpose ..... it is meant to be thought provokingly helpful only and not meant to be judgemental, demeaning or negative in any way .......

There is a lot of energy focused here, almost obsessively with some people, on living in the past negative experience of alcoholism and hack psuedo-religious crap espoused by mindless aa cultism. If we are to move forward in life, we gotta stop reacting to the past and and move forward with the knowledge we have gained from our experiences in pro-action. It is obvious that we are the sum of our experiences but we have the choice of making that knowledge an anchor to the past or wind in our sails to a positive and and empowered future. If knowledge is power, that power can have no effect whatsoever on what has already happened, only on how we exercise that strength gained through our actions today in building tomorrow. If what does not kill us makes us stronger, then I really can't give credence to the thought that I should waste that strength carting around a big steemer trunk of baggage about those circumstances that occurred yesterday. I have strenthg and wisdom to percieve what is before me, make decissions that are positive and continue to enrich my self so that my world can become a better place to hang out and just ooze positivity. ..... and goof on "streight people" with my handy-dandy whoopie cushion.

Ok, so alcohol doesn't work for you and niether does aa. What now? What the hell are you gonna do about it? Are ya gonna sit around with that mirror so close to your face that you can't see the future, play peek-a-boo with it , or just throw the damn thing down and get on with life.

None of this is said from personal ignorance. I'm sure I have my own quota of negative history that would make the average "grouper" piss thier pants, but ya know what, so what. Although it has contributed to my character, I does not determine my character today. That is my choice. I will not be a puppet to the past nor will I allow others to trap me in it. I get up each new beautiful day and look to what can happen and make the best of it that I can. I don't have bad days because I don't want to ......

I have two omnipitant philosophies that empower my life .... "Lif'e's too short to be miserable for more that five minutes at a time" and "Fuck it". I applaud you folks for providing this rescource and forum for those that are still entangled in the crap of alcoholism and steppism. People need this to show them that there can be sanity in thier lives and that they don't have to be victims. That is the positive message of the group as a whole. There is also the underlying feeling from some here that thier lives are still muddled in an ongoing "not so positive" way with narrow self identifications based on history.

thank you all for your contemplation,

Steve

January 27, 2001

Hi All,

The topic was not my point. Although I no longer have his original post, I'm positive that it was relative and helpful, as always.

He did say that he found the information by entering topicly loose word groups associated with a past behavior into a search and came up with the material. Therein is my point. Now, please don't take the following as an attack on anybody's personal identity or sense of purpose ..... it is meant to be thought provokingly helpful only and not meant to be judgemental, demeaning or negative in any way .......

There is a lot of energy focused here, almost obsessively with some people, on living in the past negative experience of alcoholism and hack psuedo-religious crap espoused by mindless aa cultism. If we are to move forward in life, we gotta stop reacting to the past and and move forward with the knowledge we have gained from our experiences in pro-action. It is obvious that we are the sum of our experiences but we have the choice of making that knowledge an anchor to the past or wind in our sails to a positive and and empowered future. If knowledge is power, that power can have no effect whatsoever on what has already happened, only on how we exercise that strength gained through our actions today in building tomorrow. If what does not kill us makes us stronger, then I really can't give credence to the thought that I should waste that strength carting around a big steemer trunk of baggage about those circumstances that occurred yesterday. I have strenthg and wisdom to percieve what is before me, make decissions that are positive and continue to enrich my self so that my world can become a better place to hang out and just ooze positivity. ..... and goof on "streight people" with my handy-dandy whoopie cushion.

Ok, so alcohol doesn't work for you and niether does aa. What now? What the hell are you gonna do about it? Are ya gonna sit around with that mirror so close to your face that you can't see the future, play peek-a-boo with it , or just throw the damn thing down and get on with life.

None of this is said from personal ignorance. I'm sure I have my own quota of negative history that would make the average "grouper" piss thier pants, but ya know what, so what. Although it has contributed to my character, I does not determine my character today. That is my choice. I will not be a puppet to the past nor will I allow others to trap me in it. I get up each new beautiful day and look to what can happen and make the best of it that I can. I don't have bad days because I don't want to ......

I have two omnipitant philosophies that empower my life .... "Lif'e's too short to be miserable for more that five minutes at a time" and "Fuck it". I applaud you folks for providing this rescource and forum for those that are still entangled in the crap of alcoholism and steppism. People need this to show them that there can be sanity in thier lives and that they don't have to be victims. That is the positive message of the group as a whole. There is also the underlying feeling from some here that thier lives are still muddled in an ongoing "not so positive" way with narrow self identifications based on history.

thank you all for your contemplation,

Steve

January 27, 2001

Hi All,

The topic was not my point. Although I no longer have his original post, I'm positive that it was relative and helpful, as always.

He did say that he found the information by entering topicly loose word groups associated with a past behavior into a search and came up with the material. Therein is my point. Now, please don't take the following as an attack on anybody's personal identity or sense of purpose ..... it is meant to be thought provokingly helpful only and not meant to be judgemental, demeaning or negative in any way .......

There is a lot of energy focused here, almost obsessively with some people, on living in the past negative experience of alcoholism and hack psuedo-religious crap espoused by mindless aa cultism. If we are to move forward in life, we gotta stop reacting to the past and and move forward with the knowledge we have gained from our experiences in pro-action. It is obvious that we are the sum of our experiences but we have the choice of making that knowledge an anchor to the past or wind in our sails to a positive and and empowered future. If knowledge is power, that power can have no effect whatsoever on what has already happened, only on how we exercise that strength gained through our actions today in building tomorrow. If what does not kill us makes us stronger, then I really can't give credence to the thought that I should waste that strength carting around a big steemer trunk of baggage about those circumstances that occurred yesterday. I have strenthg and wisdom to percieve what is before me, make decissions that are positive and continue to enrich my self so that my world can become a better place to hang out and just ooze positivity. ..... and goof on "streight people" with my handy-dandy whoopie cushion.

Ok, so alcohol doesn't work for you and niether does aa. What now? What the hell are you gonna do about it? Are ya gonna sit around with that mirror so close to your face that you can't see the future, play peek-a-boo with it , or just throw the damn thing down and get on with life.

None of this is said from personal ignorance. I'm sure I have my own quota of negative history that would make the average "grouper" piss thier pants, but ya know what, so what. Although it has contributed to my character, I does not determine my character today. That is my choice. I will not be a puppet to the past nor will I allow others to trap me in it. I get up each new beautiful day and look to what can happen and make the best of it that I can. I don't have bad days because I don't want to ......

I have two omnipitant philosophies that empower my life .... "Lif'e's too short to be miserable for more that five minutes at a time" and "Fuck it". I applaud you folks for providing this rescource and forum for those that are still entangled in the crap of alcoholism and steppism. People need this to show them that there can be sanity in thier lives and that they don't have to be victims. That is the positive message of the group as a whole. There is also the underlying feeling from some here that thier lives are still muddled in an ongoing "not so positive" way with narrow self identifications based on history.

thank you all for your contemplation,

Steve

January 27, 2001

> You know very well what I was saying, that is why you reacted the way you

> did. Profanity is never neccessary.

>

------------

I can't speak for Tommy, but I certainly was mystified by your post, and

did not understand it either, except that you seemed to be putting Tommy down

for posting the article. What exactly WERE you saying? -- did you find it

off-topic to this group? I sure didn't. Coercion into treatment, even to the

point of phonying up false " diagnoses " of addiction and dependence, is exactly

what I myself experienced. I have been called a liar and worse by Jim Shirk

(stepper counselor from Washington State) who claims it's impossible for fraud

like this to happen because " there are always people auditing the records of

licensed treatment facilities " blah blah. The article cited by Tommy shows that

indeed these things do happen, to the detriment of both the people forced into

it and the taxpayers paying for it.

~Rita

January 27, 2001