Re: This one takes the cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

You know, I think I may just do that. She would crap all over herself and it

makes me laugh just to think of it. She just could not believe that me

having such little sober time compared to hers would even think of much less

pick up the phone and fire her ass.

And , no my therapist did not have any conversation with her at all.

Although he does know all about her through me b/c a lot of things she

suggested I do was in total conflict with what my therapist and I had

discussed. I often brought alot of this to my therapist b/c my gut was not

feeling right about alot of it. When I did confront her on that part several

weeks ago she was very silent and said that I could not trust my gut feelings

alot of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that is a crock. For me anyways, my gut feeling has turned out to be

right on the money 9 out of 10 times.

Now that I think about she could even be jealous b/c I was growing out of AA

and had a therapist I do trust with all my issues.

But I will let her know she definitely stepped over the line with this one

and I will not stand for it.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

You know, I think I may just do that. She would crap all over herself and it

makes me laugh just to think of it. She just could not believe that me

having such little sober time compared to hers would even think of much less

pick up the phone and fire her ass.

And , no my therapist did not have any conversation with her at all.

Although he does know all about her through me b/c a lot of things she

suggested I do was in total conflict with what my therapist and I had

discussed. I often brought alot of this to my therapist b/c my gut was not

feeling right about alot of it. When I did confront her on that part several

weeks ago she was very silent and said that I could not trust my gut feelings

alot of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that is a crock. For me anyways, my gut feeling has turned out to be

right on the money 9 out of 10 times.

Now that I think about she could even be jealous b/c I was growing out of AA

and had a therapist I do trust with all my issues.

But I will let her know she definitely stepped over the line with this one

and I will not stand for it.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

You know, I think I may just do that. She would crap all over herself and it

makes me laugh just to think of it. She just could not believe that me

having such little sober time compared to hers would even think of much less

pick up the phone and fire her ass.

And , no my therapist did not have any conversation with her at all.

Although he does know all about her through me b/c a lot of things she

suggested I do was in total conflict with what my therapist and I had

discussed. I often brought alot of this to my therapist b/c my gut was not

feeling right about alot of it. When I did confront her on that part several

weeks ago she was very silent and said that I could not trust my gut feelings

alot of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that is a crock. For me anyways, my gut feeling has turned out to be

right on the money 9 out of 10 times.

Now that I think about she could even be jealous b/c I was growing out of AA

and had a therapist I do trust with all my issues.

But I will let her know she definitely stepped over the line with this one

and I will not stand for it.

[Guest guest]

that is about the most outrageous thing i have ever heard! my

god!

i would tell her she is not to call you, your therapist, your work

and is to stay out of your life. she has totally abused her role as

sponsor and went beyond the boundaries of any healthy

relationship.

it is for this very reason, i always advise people to make a clean

break from AA, to not justify or explain it to anyone, just leave and

dont look back. this is a cult.

my last one by the way). Well,

> I called my sponser the next morning and let her know I would

no longer need

> her as a sponser b/c I chose to no longer attend meetings. I

explained to

> her what had happened at the Saturday night meeting and she

knew exactly what

> I was talking about b/c she said her and her husband had

encountered the same

> treatment, but here solution was for those of 'us' who didn't

hold true to

> those beliefs of the AA Nazis should keep going to help out

other people who

> didn't know anything at all about meetings.

she exemplified she didnt understand a word you said by her

behavior, her actions themselves were those of a " AA Nazi " .

should she teach newcomers aa members will call your shrink

up if you dont go to meetings hold true to aa beliefs?

> He said yep, she called and informed him who she was and

she was my AA

> sponser (or formally was) and told him I was not going to

meetings and she

> was afraid I was sitting myself up for a relapse. I am so

fucking mad right

> now. She told my therapist that I took to heart every thing he

said and I

> done what he told me to do and she realized that he no longer

needed meetings

> but she was appalled that he would suggest that to me.

appalled? this is really an action of anger on her part, if she was

appaled at him, she was blaming him for your rejection of her

and her belief system. maybe she should practice acceptance?

lol

> her talk and when she was finished he said, " Have a good

day. " and hung up.

good for him. my sponsor alwasy felt that he knew more about

me the less i told him. as i drifted away from aa, he seemd to

think he knew i was " toxic " and on a slipperly slope, when he

never had a fucking clue.

But he seen what I had picked up on months ago and that is

control.

> She obviously thought that by calling my therpist, she would

have some

> impact, or control. My therpaist says she actually could benefit

from some

> therapy of her own.

no shit, this was TOTALLY about controling you! hey when you

fired her, you took away her title in aa as a " Sponsor " . you took

the power and authority you gave her and reclaimed it for

yourself. now she is someone elses pigeon, with none for

herself ( i assume you were her only sponsee) her actions in

response demonstrate how shallow her motivations were and

how desperatly she needs that sense of authority to feel good

about herself.

> Any thoughts?????????????????????/

dont go back, dont contact her.

your story is a keeper and perfect example of why this list exists

[Guest guest]

> that is about the most outrageous thing i have ever heard! my

> god!

>

> i would tell her she is not to call you, your therapist, your work

> and is to stay out of your life. she has totally abused her role as

> sponsor and went beyond the boundaries of any healthy

> relationship.

>

---------------

Dave is on the money -- this person is harassing

both you and your therapist (if your therapist had

had ANY conversation with her, he'd have been guilty

of gross ethical violations). Tell her to get lost

RIGHT NOW, and let her know you will not hesitate to

file a harassment complaint if she ever calls you or

your therp ever again.

~Rita

[Guest guest]

curious, what became of her other sponsees? did they leave aa,

" go back out " ( curious how leaving aa is synonymous with

drinking, isnt it? " ) any first hand knowledge or 2nd hand

hearsay?

[Guest guest]

curious, what became of her other sponsees? did they leave aa,

" go back out " ( curious how leaving aa is synonymous with

drinking, isnt it? " ) any first hand knowledge or 2nd hand

hearsay?

[Guest guest]

curious, what became of her other sponsees? did they leave aa,

" go back out " ( curious how leaving aa is synonymous with

drinking, isnt it? " ) any first hand knowledge or 2nd hand

hearsay?

[Guest guest]

Jeanne, that does indeed take the cake. I posted a copy of your other

message on the Delphi forum and it has actually gotten fairly

sympathetic responses even from some AA people. Lots of 'em

saying, " Yeah, I can't stand those Nazis either. " Although a couple

of the blowhards accused me of making it up.

[Guest guest]

Jeanne, that does indeed take the cake. I posted a copy of your other

message on the Delphi forum and it has actually gotten fairly

sympathetic responses even from some AA people. Lots of 'em

saying, " Yeah, I can't stand those Nazis either. " Although a couple

of the blowhards accused me of making it up.

[Guest guest]

naww, people in aa dont try to convince people who leave to stay

or that by leaving they will drink. never heard of that before.

to those blow hards, post the " parable of a sponsor " and ask if

you made that up too! LOL!

> Jeanne, that does indeed take the cake. I posted a copy of your

other

> message on the Delphi forum and it has actually gotten fairly

> sympathetic responses even from some AA people. Lots of

'em

> saying, " Yeah, I can't stand those Nazis either. " Although a

couple

> of the blowhards accused me of making it up.

[Guest guest]

naww, people in aa dont try to convince people who leave to stay

or that by leaving they will drink. never heard of that before.

to those blow hards, post the " parable of a sponsor " and ask if

you made that up too! LOL!

> Jeanne, that does indeed take the cake. I posted a copy of your

other

> message on the Delphi forum and it has actually gotten fairly

> sympathetic responses even from some AA people. Lots of

'em

> saying, " Yeah, I can't stand those Nazis either. " Although a

couple

> of the blowhards accused me of making it up.

[Guest guest]

naww, people in aa dont try to convince people who leave to stay

or that by leaving they will drink. never heard of that before.

to those blow hards, post the " parable of a sponsor " and ask if

you made that up too! LOL!

> Jeanne, that does indeed take the cake. I posted a copy of your

other

> message on the Delphi forum and it has actually gotten fairly

> sympathetic responses even from some AA people. Lots of

'em

> saying, " Yeah, I can't stand those Nazis either. " Although a

couple

> of the blowhards accused me of making it up.

[Guest guest]

> Jeanne, that does indeed take the cake. I posted a copy of your

other

> message on the Delphi forum and it has actually gotten fairly

> sympathetic responses even from some AA people. Lots of 'em

> saying, " Yeah, I can't stand those Nazis either. " Although a couple

> of the blowhards accused me of making it up.

Hi Jim,

No, it was definetly not made up, although I have a few other AA

stories that if I wasn't sitting in the room and heard what I heard

myself, I would have sworn they were made up!!!!!!!!

Feel free to post anything I write to any other forum if it will

indeed benefit anyone else.

[Guest guest]

> Jeanne, that does indeed take the cake. I posted a copy of your

other

> message on the Delphi forum and it has actually gotten fairly

> sympathetic responses even from some AA people. Lots of 'em

> saying, " Yeah, I can't stand those Nazis either. " Although a couple

> of the blowhards accused me of making it up.

Hi Jim,

No, it was definetly not made up, although I have a few other AA

stories that if I wasn't sitting in the room and heard what I heard

myself, I would have sworn they were made up!!!!!!!!

Feel free to post anything I write to any other forum if it will

indeed benefit anyone else.

[Guest guest]

> Jeanne, that does indeed take the cake. I posted a copy of your

other

> message on the Delphi forum and it has actually gotten fairly

> sympathetic responses even from some AA people. Lots of 'em

> saying, " Yeah, I can't stand those Nazis either. " Although a couple

> of the blowhards accused me of making it up.

Hi Jim,

No, it was definetly not made up, although I have a few other AA

stories that if I wasn't sitting in the room and heard what I heard

myself, I would have sworn they were made up!!!!!!!!

Feel free to post anything I write to any other forum if it will

indeed benefit anyone else.

[Guest guest]

This one takes the cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Hey eveyone,

> I am about to blow up here. I am so damn mad.

snip

> Any thoughts?????????????????????/

>

> eGroups Sponsor

The fact that she called at all, and was paid for treating people in the

past, could indicate she was familiar with breaching confidentiality from

both sides, as a sponsor and as a professional. Eventually some of those

folks may actually believe there's no big difference between the two roles.

I can imagine that the truly evil sponsors try to stay connected with

inpatient programs, outpatient programs, aftercare, residential programs,

halfway houses, etc, etc. and find sponsees at meetings around those

settings and develop communications with the evil professional counselors

treating them. Then when they call the counselors, it's understood that the

counselors won't tell the client and the iatrogenic harm magnifies

astronomically. A sort of sociopathology, don't the Scientologists do this

sort of assault, too?

Dave Trippel

[Guest guest]

This one takes the cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Hey eveyone,

> I am about to blow up here. I am so damn mad.

snip

> Any thoughts?????????????????????/

>

> eGroups Sponsor

The fact that she called at all, and was paid for treating people in the

past, could indicate she was familiar with breaching confidentiality from

both sides, as a sponsor and as a professional. Eventually some of those

folks may actually believe there's no big difference between the two roles.

I can imagine that the truly evil sponsors try to stay connected with

inpatient programs, outpatient programs, aftercare, residential programs,

halfway houses, etc, etc. and find sponsees at meetings around those

settings and develop communications with the evil professional counselors

treating them. Then when they call the counselors, it's understood that the

counselors won't tell the client and the iatrogenic harm magnifies

astronomically. A sort of sociopathology, don't the Scientologists do this

sort of assault, too?

Dave Trippel

[Guest guest]

This one takes the cake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Hey eveyone,

> I am about to blow up here. I am so damn mad.

snip

> Any thoughts?????????????????????/

>

> eGroups Sponsor

The fact that she called at all, and was paid for treating people in the

past, could indicate she was familiar with breaching confidentiality from

both sides, as a sponsor and as a professional. Eventually some of those

folks may actually believe there's no big difference between the two roles.

I can imagine that the truly evil sponsors try to stay connected with

inpatient programs, outpatient programs, aftercare, residential programs,

halfway houses, etc, etc. and find sponsees at meetings around those

settings and develop communications with the evil professional counselors

treating them. Then when they call the counselors, it's understood that the

counselors won't tell the client and the iatrogenic harm magnifies

astronomically. A sort of sociopathology, don't the Scientologists do this

sort of assault, too?

Dave Trippel

[Guest guest]

> curious, what became of her other sponsees? did they leave aa,

> " go back out " ( curious how leaving aa is synonymous with

> drinking, isnt it? " ) any first hand knowledge or 2nd hand

> hearsay?

You know, several months ago another girl she was sponsering had told

other people that she dropped this 'sponser " b/c the sponser tried to

convince her she had been sexually abused as child instead of

talking about AA.

At the time, of course I took up for the sponser b/c she had never

tried those tactics with me--but looking back now she didn't have to-

simply b/c they were already issues I had!!

As far as the other lady, I know her real well and she does'nt stand

for the control bit either and last I heard was she just stopped

calling her. Although she still goes to meetings.

I am glad now that I have not called her and told her how I feel.

Not at this time anyways, my therapist suggested I let it go and stay

as far away from the AA groupees as I can. Also at this time I have

been seeing many doctors and thought they were going to do surgery

today, but test results showed its my colon instead of gall bladder.

So I have had people poking and probbing and undergoing a lot of

medical crap that I dont like. I felt that in itself was an invasion

of my body, then I come home and find out my ex sponser had called my

therapist was the last straw. I defineltly felt invaded then. If I

would had called her a couple of hours ago, I would have said things

that would have made Satan blush!! Ha Ha Ha

Now that I have laid down and prayed and rested a little, I feel more

in control of my anger. And I thought back to what one of the other

posts read and it said, dont call, dont talk to her and so on.

For me, that is the best thing I can do. She will get the message.

And it is funny isn't it how when one stops going to meetings they

are always drunk???? I know in one of those AA approved literature I

read awhile ago I ran across something from Bill that said

somethign along these lines---AA would be so pompous to assume we

have the only solution to true sobriety. That is not an exact

quote, but I know it is in the readings somewhere.

I also noticed when I began attending church with my 15 year old son,

a lot of the members began saying things like, " oh no, we have seen a

pattern when members start church, they forget they are an alcoholic

and stop going to meetings. " I let those remarks slide for awhile

b/c to be honest I used to feeel the same way. I used to think AA

was the only way to sobriety and church only messed people up! I am

just so glad I found this support group and know I am not the only

one who has run into problems with this type of mind control.

[Guest guest]

> curious, what became of her other sponsees? did they leave aa,

> " go back out " ( curious how leaving aa is synonymous with

> drinking, isnt it? " ) any first hand knowledge or 2nd hand

> hearsay?

You know, several months ago another girl she was sponsering had told

other people that she dropped this 'sponser " b/c the sponser tried to

convince her she had been sexually abused as child instead of

talking about AA.

At the time, of course I took up for the sponser b/c she had never

tried those tactics with me--but looking back now she didn't have to-

simply b/c they were already issues I had!!

As far as the other lady, I know her real well and she does'nt stand

for the control bit either and last I heard was she just stopped

calling her. Although she still goes to meetings.

I am glad now that I have not called her and told her how I feel.

Not at this time anyways, my therapist suggested I let it go and stay

as far away from the AA groupees as I can. Also at this time I have

been seeing many doctors and thought they were going to do surgery

today, but test results showed its my colon instead of gall bladder.

So I have had people poking and probbing and undergoing a lot of

medical crap that I dont like. I felt that in itself was an invasion

of my body, then I come home and find out my ex sponser had called my

therapist was the last straw. I defineltly felt invaded then. If I

would had called her a couple of hours ago, I would have said things

that would have made Satan blush!! Ha Ha Ha

Now that I have laid down and prayed and rested a little, I feel more

in control of my anger. And I thought back to what one of the other

posts read and it said, dont call, dont talk to her and so on.

For me, that is the best thing I can do. She will get the message.

And it is funny isn't it how when one stops going to meetings they

are always drunk???? I know in one of those AA approved literature I

read awhile ago I ran across something from Bill that said

somethign along these lines---AA would be so pompous to assume we

have the only solution to true sobriety. That is not an exact

quote, but I know it is in the readings somewhere.

I also noticed when I began attending church with my 15 year old son,

a lot of the members began saying things like, " oh no, we have seen a

pattern when members start church, they forget they are an alcoholic

and stop going to meetings. " I let those remarks slide for awhile

b/c to be honest I used to feeel the same way. I used to think AA

was the only way to sobriety and church only messed people up! I am

just so glad I found this support group and know I am not the only

one who has run into problems with this type of mind control.

[Guest guest]

> curious, what became of her other sponsees? did they leave aa,

> " go back out " ( curious how leaving aa is synonymous with

> drinking, isnt it? " ) any first hand knowledge or 2nd hand

> hearsay?

You know, several months ago another girl she was sponsering had told

other people that she dropped this 'sponser " b/c the sponser tried to

convince her she had been sexually abused as child instead of

talking about AA.

At the time, of course I took up for the sponser b/c she had never

tried those tactics with me--but looking back now she didn't have to-

simply b/c they were already issues I had!!

As far as the other lady, I know her real well and she does'nt stand

for the control bit either and last I heard was she just stopped

calling her. Although she still goes to meetings.

I am glad now that I have not called her and told her how I feel.

Not at this time anyways, my therapist suggested I let it go and stay

as far away from the AA groupees as I can. Also at this time I have

been seeing many doctors and thought they were going to do surgery

today, but test results showed its my colon instead of gall bladder.

So I have had people poking and probbing and undergoing a lot of

medical crap that I dont like. I felt that in itself was an invasion

of my body, then I come home and find out my ex sponser had called my

therapist was the last straw. I defineltly felt invaded then. If I

would had called her a couple of hours ago, I would have said things

that would have made Satan blush!! Ha Ha Ha

Now that I have laid down and prayed and rested a little, I feel more

in control of my anger. And I thought back to what one of the other

posts read and it said, dont call, dont talk to her and so on.

For me, that is the best thing I can do. She will get the message.

And it is funny isn't it how when one stops going to meetings they

are always drunk???? I know in one of those AA approved literature I

read awhile ago I ran across something from Bill that said

somethign along these lines---AA would be so pompous to assume we

have the only solution to true sobriety. That is not an exact

quote, but I know it is in the readings somewhere.

I also noticed when I began attending church with my 15 year old son,

a lot of the members began saying things like, " oh no, we have seen a

pattern when members start church, they forget they are an alcoholic

and stop going to meetings. " I let those remarks slide for awhile

b/c to be honest I used to feeel the same way. I used to think AA

was the only way to sobriety and church only messed people up! I am

just so glad I found this support group and know I am not the only

one who has run into problems with this type of mind control.

[Guest guest]

Sadly, I have seen this happen before. Even more sadly, I have known

the therapists to take it seriously.

> Hey eveyone,

> I am about to blow up here. I am so damn mad. I posted here about

the

> meeting I wentt to on Saturday night(which is my last one by the

way). Well,

> I called my sponser the next morning and let her know I would no

longer need

> her as a sponser b/c I chose to no longer attend meetings. I

explained to

> her what had happened at the Saturday night meeting and she knew

exactly what

> I was talking about b/c she said her and her husband had encountered

the same

> treatment, but here solution was for those of 'us' who didn't hold

true to

> those beliefs of the AA Nazis should keep going to help out other

people who

> didn't know anything at all about meetings. I said no thank you, I

am doing

> waht I need to do right now for myself.

>

> Here is the tripping part----------I just got off the phone with my

therapist

> who I have been seeing for over 2 and 1/2 years and he told me the

BITCH

> called him Monday about me!! I was shocked and said she what?????

>

> He said yep, she called and informed him who she was and she was my

AA

> sponser (or formally was) and told him I was not going to meetings

and she

> was afraid I was sitting myself up for a relapse. I am so fucking

mad right

> now. She told my therapist that I took to heart every thing he said

and I

> done what he told me to do and she realized that he no longer needed

meetings

> but she was appalled that he would suggest that to me.

> What the bitch doesn't know is that I brought this whole deal up

with my

> therapist first. He didn't say anything until after I had brought

it up.

> Then he gave me his opinion (which is I no longer need the

meetings), but he

> also added that the decision was up to me and for me to make up my

own mind.

>

> What do you all think of that one?? It takes the cake for me. Of

course my

> therapist picked up on how little this lady really knew about me and

he let

> her talk and when she was finished he said, " Have a good day. " and

hung up.

> He said it was not even worth talking with her plus the client

privelege

> deal. But he seen what I had picked up on months ago and that is

control.

> She obviously thought that by calling my therpist, she would have

some

> impact, or control. My therpaist says she actually could benefit

from some

> therapy of her own.

> And that is even stranger b/c she says she used to be a licensed

therapist

> who worked with women such as myself. (PTSD and childhood sexual

abuse).

> I dont know, but I sure feel violated about the whole deal and it

just blew

> my mind the lenghts some of these people in AA go to in order to

keep their

> control.

> Any thoughts?????????????????????/

[Guest guest]

Sadly, I have seen this happen before. Even more sadly, I have known

the therapists to take it seriously.

> Hey eveyone,

> I am about to blow up here. I am so damn mad. I posted here about

the

> meeting I wentt to on Saturday night(which is my last one by the

way). Well,

> I called my sponser the next morning and let her know I would no

longer need

> her as a sponser b/c I chose to no longer attend meetings. I

explained to

> her what had happened at the Saturday night meeting and she knew

exactly what

> I was talking about b/c she said her and her husband had encountered

the same

> treatment, but here solution was for those of 'us' who didn't hold

true to

> those beliefs of the AA Nazis should keep going to help out other

people who

> didn't know anything at all about meetings. I said no thank you, I

am doing

> waht I need to do right now for myself.

>

> Here is the tripping part----------I just got off the phone with my

therapist

> who I have been seeing for over 2 and 1/2 years and he told me the

BITCH

> called him Monday about me!! I was shocked and said she what?????

>

> He said yep, she called and informed him who she was and she was my

AA

> sponser (or formally was) and told him I was not going to meetings

and she

> was afraid I was sitting myself up for a relapse. I am so fucking

mad right

> now. She told my therapist that I took to heart every thing he said

and I

> done what he told me to do and she realized that he no longer needed

meetings

> but she was appalled that he would suggest that to me.

> What the bitch doesn't know is that I brought this whole deal up

with my

> therapist first. He didn't say anything until after I had brought

it up.

> Then he gave me his opinion (which is I no longer need the

meetings), but he

> also added that the decision was up to me and for me to make up my

own mind.

>

> What do you all think of that one?? It takes the cake for me. Of

course my

> therapist picked up on how little this lady really knew about me and

he let

> her talk and when she was finished he said, " Have a good day. " and

hung up.

> He said it was not even worth talking with her plus the client

privelege

> deal. But he seen what I had picked up on months ago and that is

control.

> She obviously thought that by calling my therpist, she would have

some

> impact, or control. My therpaist says she actually could benefit

from some

> therapy of her own.

> And that is even stranger b/c she says she used to be a licensed

therapist

> who worked with women such as myself. (PTSD and childhood sexual

abuse).

> I dont know, but I sure feel violated about the whole deal and it

just blew

> my mind the lenghts some of these people in AA go to in order to

keep their

> control.

> Any thoughts?????????????????????/

[Guest guest]

Sadly, I have seen this happen before. Even more sadly, I have known

the therapists to take it seriously.

> Hey eveyone,

> I am about to blow up here. I am so damn mad. I posted here about

the

> meeting I wentt to on Saturday night(which is my last one by the

way). Well,

> I called my sponser the next morning and let her know I would no

longer need

> her as a sponser b/c I chose to no longer attend meetings. I

explained to

> her what had happened at the Saturday night meeting and she knew

exactly what

> I was talking about b/c she said her and her husband had encountered

the same

> treatment, but here solution was for those of 'us' who didn't hold

true to

> those beliefs of the AA Nazis should keep going to help out other

people who

> didn't know anything at all about meetings. I said no thank you, I

am doing

> waht I need to do right now for myself.

>

> Here is the tripping part----------I just got off the phone with my

therapist

> who I have been seeing for over 2 and 1/2 years and he told me the

BITCH

> called him Monday about me!! I was shocked and said she what?????

>

> He said yep, she called and informed him who she was and she was my

AA

> sponser (or formally was) and told him I was not going to meetings

and she

> was afraid I was sitting myself up for a relapse. I am so fucking

mad right

> now. She told my therapist that I took to heart every thing he said

and I

> done what he told me to do and she realized that he no longer needed

meetings

> but she was appalled that he would suggest that to me.

> What the bitch doesn't know is that I brought this whole deal up

with my

> therapist first. He didn't say anything until after I had brought

it up.

> Then he gave me his opinion (which is I no longer need the

meetings), but he

> also added that the decision was up to me and for me to make up my

own mind.

>

> What do you all think of that one?? It takes the cake for me. Of

course my

> therapist picked up on how little this lady really knew about me and

he let

> her talk and when she was finished he said, " Have a good day. " and

hung up.

> He said it was not even worth talking with her plus the client

privelege

> deal. But he seen what I had picked up on months ago and that is

control.

> She obviously thought that by calling my therpist, she would have

some

> impact, or control. My therpaist says she actually could benefit

from some

> therapy of her own.

> And that is even stranger b/c she says she used to be a licensed

therapist

> who worked with women such as myself. (PTSD and childhood sexual

abuse).

> I dont know, but I sure feel violated about the whole deal and it

just blew

> my mind the lenghts some of these people in AA go to in order to

keep their

> control.

> Any thoughts?????????????????????/