Re: Rational Recovery/Jack Trimpey]

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[Re: Rational Recovery/Jack Trimpey]

> LOL Steve.....

>

> Just for Today, I will talk low, but carry a Big Stick!

>

> Ive heard that in the States there are ppl who do this kinda thing

> over food. They pay someone to stand guard over the freezer during the

> night, and if they go near it the guard throws them out the kitchen

> yelling abuse at them!

>

> The shrink R D Laing said he did his training with a shrink who had

> his own cure for depression. Injection of turpentine in to the

> buttocks. The poor guy would be bedridden in his stomach with a

> burning arse for days. As soon he was well he was out the hospital

> like a shot and never came back. As Laing says: " 100% remission rate.

> 0 & relapse rate. "

>

> Another uncanny thing about all this is the professional steppers have

> their own Brain Structure demons too.

> I remembered this with your

> " grapefruit " tumor joke. I said to my rehab-running sponsor that I

> wondered if I had such a thing and he said... " no, a small thing wrong

> in your brain... the hypothalamus " . He talked graphically about the

> inevitable " collapse of the hypothalamus " of the addict over time

> whether or not they used, as if my skull would eventually cave in.

That's one reason it's so important to do step #12 and bring others into the

trap of XA purgatory. Share the pain.

Imagine Bill W playing Professor Higgins (they think its " praying " but we

and their Beasts knows it's " preying " )

(Bill W calling jubilantly to Dr. Bob at an early AA meeting)

By Jove, Pickawing! Oy think we've gawt it!

(Early AA group in unison)

The Brain . . . in pain . . . stays main . . . ly on . . . the preying.

(Bill W)

Oy think we've gawt it! Oy think we've gawt it!

Come ova heeah Pickawing and listen to this!

(group)

The Brain . . in pain . . stays mainly on . . the preying.

(Bill, yelling now)

And where's that nasty brain?

(group yelling)

On the preying! On the preying!

(Bill even louder)

And where's that blasted preying!

(group screaming)

In PAIN, in PAIN!

(All together now in huge chorus)

The Brain in pain stays mainly on the preying!

The Brain in pain stays mainly on the preying!

Dave Trippel

> I also remember something Latin for a " reward centre " in the brain in a

> book abt Codependency which I quoted in my research project. It's a

> while since I took 101 Psychobiology and I didnt listen too closely

> but I expect both of these are part of the " reptilian brain " or

> whatever. The limbic system is actually a system which *connects*

> these lower structures with the cortex. when something gives you a

> buzz the limbic system stimulates the cortex to strengthen the

> connections that produced the behavior so that the person does it

> again. The lower brain cant " know " that its withdrawing from drugs.

> However, it can detect " something is wrong " . It sends the signals

> that have conditioned the cortex to use drugs whiuch have hitherto

> alleviated the problem. This is felt as craving by the person, but to

> suggest that the lower brain has a Beast which can avidly read Stanton

> Peele, as I have seen Jack Trimpey declare, is absolute nonsense.

> Rationalizing to use can only be done at the the cortical level, and

> its a much " you " as the desire not to. The messages from lower down

> that " something is wrong " or " getting loaded would be nice " can at

> most just tweak your cortex into favoring using thoughts over

> abstinence thoughts.

>

> The " Beast " is as much a reification as the " Disease " or as the good

> old " Demon Rum " of the Temperance days....

>

> P.

>

> > Hi All ..... ,

> >

> > I really can't see how my comments can be misunderstood or one could

> derive a

> > different meening or lack of continuity from one paragraph to

> another.......

> >

> > To clarify: I think " the beast " type of approach is a load of

> convenient

> > escapism. You can blame anyone or anything, any little part of your

> brain for

> > your behavior but YOU lifted yer ass up outa that chair, walked to

> > where-ever, picked up that substance and put it into yer body.

> Unless you

> > have a brain tumor the size of a grapefruit you alone are

> responsible. What,

> > were ya sleepwalking? Oh, so now there are consequences, now is the

> time to

> > play the blame/excuse lottery, " Oh, it's my damn limbic system. "

> Gimme a

> > break!

> > I might as well blame my fingernails for making me scratch myself.

> Then once

> > you have the excuse for your behavior, you can play the " treatment "

> lottery

> > till ya find something that fits whatever band wagon you can get on

> that

> > doesn't have a mirror involved in the process.

> > Someday I'm gonna start my own group ..... It'll be called the Big

> Stick.

> > Whenever anyone starts some behavior that they dont like, has

> consequences,

> > or just makes them fell a sense of powerlessness, all ya gotta do is

> show up

> > at a meeting and I'll hit ya in the head with a big stick. Keep

> coming back!

> > ......When ya figure out that ya don't wanna be hit in the head

> anymore, you

> > will either quit what yer doing or move down the self help lottery

> to find

> > someone who will, lie and coddle ya into believing in them and thier

> > ego...... Oh, and it will only cost 5 bucks a whack. I wouldn't

> wanna be

> > acused of proffiteering.

> >

> > Steve

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