RE: DNR

[Guest guest]

Based on original legislation, a physician should not everissue a DNR to a

pregnant woman, and should she become pregant during course of a terminal

disease....well there are many side thoughts about that but bottom line is the

DNR should be revoked.

Also the final component of the DNR process, as originally designed was that is

any question ever existed then medical control should be contacted for further

direction, that coupled with the fact that each agency is supposed to have a

protocol for addressing DNR's and there should be no question.

Rinard

ESTI WMD EMS Program Supervisor

(office)

(NEW CELL NUMBER)

(fax)

john.rinard@...

>>> michael.simmons14@... 06/20/05 7:43 PM >>>

Question for the group>

Had a student ask in class if you had a full term female who has a DNR, do you

or do you not honer the DNR if birth is imminent.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Based on original legislation, a physician should not everissue a DNR to a

pregnant woman, and should she become pregant during course of a terminal

disease....well there are many side thoughts about that but bottom line is the

DNR should be revoked.

Also the final component of the DNR process, as originally designed was that is

any question ever existed then medical control should be contacted for further

direction, that coupled with the fact that each agency is supposed to have a

protocol for addressing DNR's and there should be no question.

Rinard

ESTI WMD EMS Program Supervisor

(office)

(NEW CELL NUMBER)

(fax)

john.rinard@...

>>> michael.simmons14@... 06/20/05 7:43 PM >>>

Question for the group>

Had a student ask in class if you had a full term female who has a DNR, do you

or do you not honer the DNR if birth is imminent.

Mike

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/21/05 4:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rachfoote@... writes:

In a message dated 6/21/2005 1:12:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,

petsardlj@... writes:

DNR must be honored, but only for the mother. This does not apply to the

fetus. Then of course the mother must be kept alive in order to save the

fetus in an imminent birth. Can't imagine though that a pregnant woman

would

have a DNR.

D.

NREMT-P

Andy Foote replies:

Please do not answer questions like this if you do not know the answer.

The

answer is that DNR's do not apply to Pregnant Women. Simple, end of story,

no more guessing like we know the answer when we did not look it up.

Pregnancy supercedes DNR's.

I was not guessing. I have actually come across this before. Thank You for

your reply but crude and rude comments need not be thrown like rice at a

wedding.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

[Guest guest]

To all:

The DNR cannot be honored for anyone who is pregnant. Here is the citation:

§ 166.098. PREGNANT PERSONS. A person may not withhold

cardiopulmonary resuscitation or certain other life-sustaining

treatment designated by the board under this subchapter from a

person known by the responding health care professionals to be

pregnant.

The law does not say anything about the fetus.

Hope that clears this up. And as for the terminal irreversible condition,

current law requires that only minors be medically diagnosed as terminal or

irreversible. Adults no longer have to have that diagnosis to have an OOH

DNR.

If you're not sure about something relating to DNR, you are welcome to write

or call us. Thanks,

Re: DNR

In a message dated 6/21/05 4:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rachfoote@... writes:

In a message dated 6/21/2005 1:12:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,

petsardlj@... writes:

DNR must be honored, but only for the mother. This does not apply to the

fetus. Then of course the mother must be kept alive in order to save the

fetus in an imminent birth. Can't imagine though that a pregnant woman

would

have a DNR.

D.

NREMT-P

Andy Foote replies:

Please do not answer questions like this if you do not know the answer.

The

answer is that DNR's do not apply to Pregnant Women. Simple, end of

story,

no more guessing like we know the answer when we did not look it up.

Pregnancy supercedes DNR's.

I was not guessing. I have actually come across this before. Thank You

for

your reply but crude and rude comments need not be thrown like rice at a

wedding.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

[Guest guest]

To all:

The DNR cannot be honored for anyone who is pregnant. Here is the citation:

§ 166.098. PREGNANT PERSONS. A person may not withhold

cardiopulmonary resuscitation or certain other life-sustaining

treatment designated by the board under this subchapter from a

person known by the responding health care professionals to be

pregnant.

The law does not say anything about the fetus.

Hope that clears this up. And as for the terminal irreversible condition,

current law requires that only minors be medically diagnosed as terminal or

irreversible. Adults no longer have to have that diagnosis to have an OOH

DNR.

If you're not sure about something relating to DNR, you are welcome to write

or call us. Thanks,

Re: DNR

In a message dated 6/21/05 4:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rachfoote@... writes:

In a message dated 6/21/2005 1:12:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,

petsardlj@... writes:

DNR must be honored, but only for the mother. This does not apply to the

fetus. Then of course the mother must be kept alive in order to save the

fetus in an imminent birth. Can't imagine though that a pregnant woman

would

have a DNR.

D.

NREMT-P

Andy Foote replies:

Please do not answer questions like this if you do not know the answer.

The

answer is that DNR's do not apply to Pregnant Women. Simple, end of

story,

no more guessing like we know the answer when we did not look it up.

Pregnancy supercedes DNR's.

I was not guessing. I have actually come across this before. Thank You

for

your reply but crude and rude comments need not be thrown like rice at a

wedding.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX

[Guest guest]

To all:

The DNR cannot be honored for anyone who is pregnant. Here is the citation:

§ 166.098. PREGNANT PERSONS. A person may not withhold

cardiopulmonary resuscitation or certain other life-sustaining

treatment designated by the board under this subchapter from a

person known by the responding health care professionals to be

pregnant.

The law does not say anything about the fetus.

Hope that clears this up. And as for the terminal irreversible condition,

current law requires that only minors be medically diagnosed as terminal or

irreversible. Adults no longer have to have that diagnosis to have an OOH

DNR.

If you're not sure about something relating to DNR, you are welcome to write

or call us. Thanks,

Re: DNR

In a message dated 6/21/05 4:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rachfoote@... writes:

In a message dated 6/21/2005 1:12:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,

petsardlj@... writes:

DNR must be honored, but only for the mother. This does not apply to the

fetus. Then of course the mother must be kept alive in order to save the

fetus in an imminent birth. Can't imagine though that a pregnant woman

would

have a DNR.

D.

NREMT-P

Andy Foote replies:

Please do not answer questions like this if you do not know the answer.

The

answer is that DNR's do not apply to Pregnant Women. Simple, end of

story,

no more guessing like we know the answer when we did not look it up.

Pregnancy supercedes DNR's.

I was not guessing. I have actually come across this before. Thank You

for

your reply but crude and rude comments need not be thrown like rice at a

wedding.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response

(PETSAR)

Office

FAX