Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 anger 2 > I'm separated from my husband since August 2000. We have been in > therapy together since summer 1999. He is the one who has displayed > every behavior that indicates anger, then, when I suggested he was > angry, shouted " I'm not angry " . I would characterize our conflict > thusly: I get angry and express it, then he gets really angry at me > for being angry. Then he gets upset with me because he feels angry. > > I try to express my anger (if I choose to express it at all) at the > moment I feel it. I find this allows me to control my emotions, as > opposed to the model of emotional control with which I grew up: hold > your emotions in till you explode. Since I recognized my own anger, I > have been able to recognize my husband's intense emotional reaction to > my emotions, and his subsequent denial of what he is feeling. > > So. Everyone probably knows far more than they ever wanted to about my > anger and my marriage and me in general. That has never shut me up so > far, but I will officially disengage from a discussion of how to deal > with anger on this list. > > For a few hours at least > > judith > <poppin' in out of observation mode> The fact that you get ANGRY, tells me you don't have control of your emotions. Expressing your anger does not control your emotions. If the control was there you wouldn't have any anger to express. Just an observation. Wanna Help me start an Anger Cult Group ;-) Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 > The fact that you get ANGRY, tells me you don't have control of your > emotions. > Expressing your anger does not control your emotions. > If the control was there you wouldn't have any anger to express. So your hypothesis is that feeling anger is the equivalent of being out of control of anger? That's what you seem to be saying. > Just an observation. > Wanna Help me start an Anger Cult Group ;-) No thank you. judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 > The fact that you get ANGRY, tells me you don't have control of your > emotions. > Expressing your anger does not control your emotions. > If the control was there you wouldn't have any anger to express. So your hypothesis is that feeling anger is the equivalent of being out of control of anger? That's what you seem to be saying. > Just an observation. > Wanna Help me start an Anger Cult Group ;-) No thank you. judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Re: anger 2 > > > The fact that you get ANGRY, tells me you don't have control of your > > emotions. > > Expressing your anger does not control your emotions. > > If the control was there you wouldn't have any anger to express. > > So your hypothesis is that feeling anger is the equivalent of being > out of control of anger? That's what you seem to be saying. > > > Just an observation. > > Wanna Help me start an Anger Cult Group ;-) > > No thank you. > > judith > whatever. (hypothesis?) Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Re: anger 2 > > > The fact that you get ANGRY, tells me you don't have control of your > > emotions. > > Expressing your anger does not control your emotions. > > If the control was there you wouldn't have any anger to express. > > So your hypothesis is that feeling anger is the equivalent of being > out of control of anger? That's what you seem to be saying. > > > Just an observation. > > Wanna Help me start an Anger Cult Group ;-) > > No thank you. > > judith > whatever. (hypothesis?) Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Who says that anyone who is in control of his/her emotions would automatically use that control to suppress anger completely?? Anger happens to be a very useful emotion. Not only that, there are some people -- me included -- who actually ENJOY being angry (sometimes)! Expressing anger DOES help control it. Expressing it, first of all, enhances one's awareness of it, and awareness is a prerequisite to control. Second, by expressing your anger to someone else you put it out in the open, where you can get some feedback about whether it is realistic, justified, and appropriate. Third, if you let the person who 'made you' angry know about it, they just might change their behaviour. You don't need to start an Anger Cult Group. AA already has a pretty good grip on that territory :-) --wally anger 2 > > > > I'm separated from my husband since August 2000. We have been in > > therapy together since summer 1999. He is the one who has displayed > > every behavior that indicates anger, then, when I suggested he was > > angry, shouted " I'm not angry " . I would characterize our conflict > > thusly: I get angry and express it, then he gets really angry at me > > for being angry. Then he gets upset with me because he feels angry. > > > > I try to express my anger (if I choose to express it at all) at the > > moment I feel it. I find this allows me to control my emotions, as > > opposed to the model of emotional control with which I grew up: hold > > your emotions in till you explode. Since I recognized my own anger, I > > have been able to recognize my husband's intense emotional reaction to > > my emotions, and his subsequent denial of what he is feeling. > > > > So. Everyone probably knows far more than they ever wanted to about my > > anger and my marriage and me in general. That has never shut me up so > > far, but I will officially disengage from a discussion of how to deal > > with anger on this list. > > > > For a few hours at least > > > > judith > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 I would not choose to completely eliminate the RECOGNTION of anger feelings (nor do I think you can). As you said, being aware of when you are angry at someone is a prerequisite to control . It is the degree that you allow anger to escalate that tends to give problem. Is it appropriate recognition of being upset at someone, or is it all out rage? Perhaps someone might describe an incident thusly: " I just automatically got so angry and next I found myself throwing things. " This person might think that he is just expressing his anger and that it kinda happens automatically. But he is clearly " out of control " . He has chosen to believe that certain things " should " be the way he thinks they should or dammit, someone is gonna have to pay! Contrast another person who experiances the same event, but has no such demands. That person recognises (acknowledges) his upset feelings, but he does not choose to get " all bent out of shape " in response to this recognition. I submit to you that this person is in a much better postion confront the offending person and effect a real change as opposed to the " out of control " confrontation presented by a person who cannot (or does not want) to control his excess anger emotions and behaviors. In regards to control, I might not have control over the first wave of indignation I feel about an event, however, within seconds I DO have control over how I decide to act (behavior) in response to it. The initial recognition of my anger is a good thing, as you have pointed out. It alerts me to a problem that I must now deal with. But how I deal with it is open to my choice. I would much rather make a calm, reasoned choice than flying off the handle, doing whatever my emotions dictate. marcusS anger 2 > > > > > > > I'm separated from my husband since August 2000. We have been in > > > therapy together since summer 1999. He is the one who has displayed > > > every behavior that indicates anger, then, when I suggested he was > > > angry, shouted " I'm not angry " . I would characterize our conflict > > > thusly: I get angry and express it, then he gets really angry at me > > > for being angry. Then he gets upset with me because he feels angry. > > > > > > I try to express my anger (if I choose to express it at all) at the > > > moment I feel it. I find this allows me to control my emotions, as > > > opposed to the model of emotional control with which I grew up: hold > > > your emotions in till you explode. Since I recognized my own anger, I > > > have been able to recognize my husband's intense emotional reaction to > > > my emotions, and his subsequent denial of what he is feeling. > > > > > > So. Everyone probably knows far more than they ever wanted to about my > > > anger and my marriage and me in general. That has never shut me up so > > > far, but I will officially disengage from a discussion of how to deal > > > with anger on this list. > > > > > > For a few hours at least > > > > > > judith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 The fact that you get ANGRY, tells me you don't have control of your emotions. No, I think the fact that someone GETS angry is a HUMAN TRAIT and very natural. the WAY you handle the anger is what makes all the difference. Are you saying that you dont ever get angry? Sue A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Expressing anger DOES help control it. Expressing it, first of all, enhances one's awareness of it, and awareness is a prerequisite to control. Funny, but I have a lot of trouble controlling my anger, I get snippy one minute and blow up and then in five minutes it is all over with and done on my part. I try to work on not blowing up AT someone else like I used to, so I tend to hide out when I get like that. My blood pressure is always something like 110 over 60, unlike my dad, who used to very seldom get angry and his blood pressure was through the ROOF! I think it all depends on whether you hold things inside or not. Sue A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Hi All, Anger is an instinctive emotive response to perceptive thought process. Why does anything make a person angry? One percieves. Duh! ...." It's all about YOU isn't it?" We all have the ability to choose how we percieve things.... Point: Someone does something that hurts us. What someone else does does not say a damn thing about us as persons, our values, our worth as human beings, our parents, how well we swim or pick our noses. It does provide us with insight into the behaviors of those around us. It is an example of the values and experiences of those around us that determine thier actions. It it then within our perogative perception to interpret that action in relation to our own values and experiences. It is sometimes a rational reaction of others to our own behavior that triggers thier action, though, most often, it is not. We all individually have our own needs, active, reactive, subjective, emotive, ad nauseum, but we are not forced by anything but our own perception based on our chosen values to feel anything in responce to whatever goes on around us. Without that perception there is no subsequent reaction; anger, fear, pain, insult, sha! me, belittlement, etcetera. Case in point; A short while ago, my employer made a statement to me implying that I lied about something. That does not make me a liar, nor does it say anything about me as the person I know I am. What it does tell me is that he would expect from someone else what he himself would do under a given set of circumstances or that his past experiences, ergo, his perception, determines his expectations of what will happen now or in the future. I choose my perceptions. Of course, I could choose to percieve that the world is just out to fuck me when in fact I am the asshole, but there again, those around me do not have to percieve that my behavior is a rational evaluation of thier value as people. I could be just an anomalous wacko ....... steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 > > anger 2 > > > > I'm separated from my husband since August 2000. We have been in > > therapy together since summer 1999. He is the one who has displayed > > every behavior that indicates anger, then, when I suggested he was > > angry, shouted " I'm not angry " . I would characterize our conflict > > thusly: I get angry and express it, then he gets really angry at me > > for being angry. Then he gets upset with me because he feels angry. > > > > I try to express my anger (if I choose to express it at all) at the > > moment I feel it. I find this allows me to control my emotions, as > > opposed to the model of emotional control with which I grew up: hold > > your emotions in till you explode. Since I recognized my own anger, I > > have been able to recognize my husband's intense emotional reaction to > > my emotions, and his subsequent denial of what he is feeling. > > > > So. Everyone probably knows far more than they ever wanted to about my > > anger and my marriage and me in general. That has never shut me up so > > far, but I will officially disengage from a discussion of how to deal > > with anger on this list. > > > > For a few hours at least > > > > judith > > > > <poppin' in out of observation mode> > > The fact that you get ANGRY, tells me you don't have control of your > emotions. > Expressing your anger does not control your emotions. > If the control was there you wouldn't have any anger to express. > > Just an observation. > Wanna Help me start an Anger Cult Group ;-) > > Terry O.k here I go. I might as well chime in with my two cents. Of course its only my opinion. Its important for me to express my anger in a healthy way. Otherwise it manifests itself in other harmful ways. If I become angry at someone or something its important for me to address it immediately. If I don't realize that anger is what I feel at the time it is acceptable to me to address it a day or two later when I am certain that is what I felt and why I felt it. It is not acceptable for me to be pissed off at someone and go home and kick my the dog or get angry at my wife for something silly. Just for the sake of expressing my anger. Anyhow just hypothetical I love my dog and my wife also. <smile>. Anyhow thats my two cents for whatever its worth. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 > Hi All, > > Anger is an instinctive emotive response to perceptive thought process. Why Instinctive - Arising from impulse; spontaneous and unthinking: an instinctive mistrust of bureaucrats. If anger is an instinctive emotive response and arises out of impulse.....how does it involve thinking when by definition instinctive implies unthinking? > does anything make a person angry? One percieves. Duh! .... " It's all about > YOU isn't it? " We all have the ability to choose how we percieve things.... > Point: Someone does something that hurts us. What someone else does does not > say a damn thing about us as persons, our values, our worth as human beings, > our parents, how well we swim or pick our noses. It does provide us with > insight into the behaviors of those around us. It is an example of the values > and experiences of those around us that determine thier actions. It it then > within our perogative perception to interpret that action in relation to our > own values and experiences. It is sometimes a rational reaction of others to > our own behavior that triggers thier action, though, most often, it is not. > We all individually have our own needs, active, reactive, subjective, > emotive, ad nauseum, but we are not forced by anything but our own perception > based on our chosen values to feel anything in responce to whatever goes on > around us. Without that perception there is no subsequent reaction; anger, > fear, pain, insult, shame, belittlement, etcetera. > Case in point; A short while ago, my employer made a statement to me implying > that I lied about something. That does not make me a liar, nor does it say > anything about me as the person I know I am. What it does tell me is that he > would expect from someone else what he himself would do under a given set of > circumstances or that his past experiences, ergo, his perception, determines > his expectations of what will happen now or in the future. > > I choose my perceptions. Of course, I could choose to percieve that the world > is just out to fuck me when in fact I am the asshole, but there again, those > around me do not have to percieve that my behavior is a rational evaluation > of thier value as people. I could be just an anomalous wacko ....... > > > steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 > In a message dated 1/10/01 8:37:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, > wagt@w... writes: > > > > Expressing anger DOES help control it. Expressing it, first of all, enhances > > > > > Funny, but I have a lot of trouble controlling my anger, I get snippy one > minute and blow up and then in five minutes it is all over with and done on > my part. I try to work on not blowing up AT someone else like I used to, so > I tend to hide out when I get like that. My blood pressure is always > something like 110 over 60, unlike my dad, who used to very seldom get angry > and his blood pressure was through the ROOF! I think it all depends on > whether you hold things inside or not. Hi Sue. What you are describing here sounds like a pretty healthy way of dealing with anger. And you know, my dad was the same way. I never saw him express anger, or hardly any emotions, and he had high blood pressure too. Putting myself in the position of the person on the receiving end of anger, I have to say I have always preferred direct hostility to the acid rain of indirect, sideways, repressed hostility. Like Wally said, if I get it out in the open, people can deal with it. But if I say I'm fine, and then I act like I'm angry, it just drives everyone crazy. I don't think that model of repressing emotions is strictly AA. I think it's part of the midwestern US personality. I grew up in the midwest, and I grew up with the notion that it's ok to get angry, as long as you express your anger to everyone *except* the person with whom you're angry. It's ok to not allow people to merge off a highway entrance ramp because you just had a fight with your parents, etc etc. So when I think of having a problem with anger, what I think of is having a problem 1) being aware that I'm angry, and 2) expressing my anger directly, in a way that is respectful to myself and those around me. It's a skill that I'm working on. judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Hi Steve, I wanted to respond to a couple of things in your post. > Case in point; A short while ago, my employer made a statement to me implying > that I lied about something. That does not make me a liar, nor does it say > anything about me as the person I know I am. What it does tell me is that he > would expect from someone else what he himself would do under a given set of > circumstances or that his past experiences, ergo, his perception, determines > his expectations of what will happen now or in the future. Excellent point! To relate it to what has been happening here: a few days ago I made a strong statement about myself. Without going back to check the wording of my REMOVE YOURSELF post, I am pretty certain it contained qualifiers: I *think* it's rude, I *believe* we are being trolled, etc. Some people here agree with me, others disagree. Both points of view have been expressed. > I choose my perceptions. Of course, I could choose to percieve that the world > is just out to fuck me when in fact I am the asshole, but there again, those > around me do not have to percieve that my behavior is a rational evaluation > of thier value as people. I could be just an anomalous wacko ....... When you get your anger, your perceptions, whatever, out on the table, then the discussion can start. Are my perceptions accurate? Is my reaction appropriate? Plus, at work, I try harder to repress my emotions because work is about accomplishing tasks as a team. I don't have to like those people, I just have to be able to work with them. I have a different goal here on 12sf: here, I am confronting harm done to me as a result of involvement in 12 step groups. I don't have to like anyone here either, but never the less I do like a lot of people here (just like at work). If I lost my ability to post here, it would not hurt me as much as if I lost my job. For which, by the way, I am running late because I just had to post here! judith, on the fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Hi Steve, I wanted to respond to a couple of things in your post. > Case in point; A short while ago, my employer made a statement to me implying > that I lied about something. That does not make me a liar, nor does it say > anything about me as the person I know I am. What it does tell me is that he > would expect from someone else what he himself would do under a given set of > circumstances or that his past experiences, ergo, his perception, determines > his expectations of what will happen now or in the future. Excellent point! To relate it to what has been happening here: a few days ago I made a strong statement about myself. Without going back to check the wording of my REMOVE YOURSELF post, I am pretty certain it contained qualifiers: I *think* it's rude, I *believe* we are being trolled, etc. Some people here agree with me, others disagree. Both points of view have been expressed. > I choose my perceptions. Of course, I could choose to percieve that the world > is just out to fuck me when in fact I am the asshole, but there again, those > around me do not have to percieve that my behavior is a rational evaluation > of thier value as people. I could be just an anomalous wacko ....... When you get your anger, your perceptions, whatever, out on the table, then the discussion can start. Are my perceptions accurate? Is my reaction appropriate? Plus, at work, I try harder to repress my emotions because work is about accomplishing tasks as a team. I don't have to like those people, I just have to be able to work with them. I have a different goal here on 12sf: here, I am confronting harm done to me as a result of involvement in 12 step groups. I don't have to like anyone here either, but never the less I do like a lot of people here (just like at work). If I lost my ability to post here, it would not hurt me as much as if I lost my job. For which, by the way, I am running late because I just had to post here! judith, on the fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Hi Steve, I wanted to respond to a couple of things in your post. > Case in point; A short while ago, my employer made a statement to me implying > that I lied about something. That does not make me a liar, nor does it say > anything about me as the person I know I am. What it does tell me is that he > would expect from someone else what he himself would do under a given set of > circumstances or that his past experiences, ergo, his perception, determines > his expectations of what will happen now or in the future. Excellent point! To relate it to what has been happening here: a few days ago I made a strong statement about myself. Without going back to check the wording of my REMOVE YOURSELF post, I am pretty certain it contained qualifiers: I *think* it's rude, I *believe* we are being trolled, etc. Some people here agree with me, others disagree. Both points of view have been expressed. > I choose my perceptions. Of course, I could choose to percieve that the world > is just out to fuck me when in fact I am the asshole, but there again, those > around me do not have to percieve that my behavior is a rational evaluation > of thier value as people. I could be just an anomalous wacko ....... When you get your anger, your perceptions, whatever, out on the table, then the discussion can start. Are my perceptions accurate? Is my reaction appropriate? Plus, at work, I try harder to repress my emotions because work is about accomplishing tasks as a team. I don't have to like those people, I just have to be able to work with them. I have a different goal here on 12sf: here, I am confronting harm done to me as a result of involvement in 12 step groups. I don't have to like anyone here either, but never the less I do like a lot of people here (just like at work). If I lost my ability to post here, it would not hurt me as much as if I lost my job. For which, by the way, I am running late because I just had to post here! judith, on the fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Hi All, You might instinctively distrust beauracrats because you percieve that they are distrustfull. You're lying on the beach, eyes clothes, catching a tan on the island of Kimodo. You hear a hissing sound, open your eyes, see a kimodo dragon moving toward you thinking about dinner. You freak, jump to your feet and run for your life. Impulse. You percived that the big nasty lizard might be really dangerous to your future wellbeing. Although I was thinking more in terms of emotive response in human relationships, perception is the root of all thought process. What do you think or do that is not based on perception. blink, breath, hiccup, fart( although occasionally based on perception) ....... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Hi All, You might instinctively distrust beauracrats because you percieve that they are distrustfull. You're lying on the beach, eyes clothes, catching a tan on the island of Kimodo. You hear a hissing sound, open your eyes, see a kimodo dragon moving toward you thinking about dinner. You freak, jump to your feet and run for your life. Impulse. You percived that the big nasty lizard might be really dangerous to your future wellbeing. Although I was thinking more in terms of emotive response in human relationships, perception is the root of all thought process. What do you think or do that is not based on perception. blink, breath, hiccup, fart( although occasionally based on perception) ....... Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 In a message dated 1/10/01 5:13:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, j_stillwater@... writes: << So. Everyone probably knows far more than they ever wanted to about my anger and my marriage and me in general. That has never shut me up so far, but I will officially disengage from a discussion of how to deal with anger on this list. For a few hours at least judith >> Hurry back, anger and all. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 In a message dated 1/10/01 10:11:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, pat_timi@... writes: << > Anger is an instinctive emotive response to perceptive thought process. Why Instinctive - Arising from impulse; spontaneous and unthinking: an instinctive mistrust of bureaucrats. If anger is an instinctive emotive response and arises out of impulse.....how does it involve thinking when by definition instinctive implies unthinking? >> Cognition and emotion are always combined. It has to do with the way the brain processes information from the environment using both the primitive brain (limbic systems) and areas of cerebral cortex. There are very few polarities. Things happen in complex clusters of action with everything interacting with everything else in the brain and body. Pcub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 In a message dated 1/10/01 10:11:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, pat_timi@... writes: << > Anger is an instinctive emotive response to perceptive thought process. Why Instinctive - Arising from impulse; spontaneous and unthinking: an instinctive mistrust of bureaucrats. If anger is an instinctive emotive response and arises out of impulse.....how does it involve thinking when by definition instinctive implies unthinking? >> Cognition and emotion are always combined. It has to do with the way the brain processes information from the environment using both the primitive brain (limbic systems) and areas of cerebral cortex. There are very few polarities. Things happen in complex clusters of action with everything interacting with everything else in the brain and body. Pcub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 In a message dated 1/10/01 10:11:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, pat_timi@... writes: << > Anger is an instinctive emotive response to perceptive thought process. Why Instinctive - Arising from impulse; spontaneous and unthinking: an instinctive mistrust of bureaucrats. If anger is an instinctive emotive response and arises out of impulse.....how does it involve thinking when by definition instinctive implies unthinking? >> Cognition and emotion are always combined. It has to do with the way the brain processes information from the environment using both the primitive brain (limbic systems) and areas of cerebral cortex. There are very few polarities. Things happen in complex clusters of action with everything interacting with everything else in the brain and body. Pcub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Not sure I agree with you here Piper. In 1848 in Vermont, Pheneas Gage had his brain severed which lead to the limbic system precursor brain research which ultimately lead to the " beastie " He was described as an intelligent well balanced man. The interesting thing about Gage was that his brain was severed in such a way that disconnected the limbic system from the frontal area of the cerebral cortex (part that sets priorities to incoming messages from the limbic system). Working together the limbic system and the frontal area of the cerebral cortex keep everything working in equilibrium. Without the restraint of the frontal area of his cerebral cortex Gage's limbic system was free to fire off signals for emotions without any cognitive check. He had no control of himself. Homeboy was a mess :0) In that sense he was said to have been as much a beast as a man which is where I believe the concept of the beast began. This seems to me, somewhat of a misnomer as even beasts have more control than he. What I found interesting was that he lived like that for IIRC 12 years after the accident. That said I think we're rather still in the dark ages when it comes to issues of brain study. How does one define Love and hate or anger so that it's effects on the brain can be studied under a microscope? Some progress has been made in the love direction but I'm not even sure if studies have been done for anger. To my , granted, very very very limited knowledge the only emotion that lends itself to analysis that can be chemically traced and studied is anxiety. > Re: Re: anger 2 > >Cognition and emotion are always combined. It has to do with the way the >brain processes information from the environment using both the primitive >brain (limbic systems) and areas of cerebral cortex. There are very few >polarities. Things happen in complex clusters of action with everything >interacting with everything else in the brain and body. Pcub > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Not sure I agree with you here Piper. In 1848 in Vermont, Pheneas Gage had his brain severed which lead to the limbic system precursor brain research which ultimately lead to the " beastie " He was described as an intelligent well balanced man. The interesting thing about Gage was that his brain was severed in such a way that disconnected the limbic system from the frontal area of the cerebral cortex (part that sets priorities to incoming messages from the limbic system). Working together the limbic system and the frontal area of the cerebral cortex keep everything working in equilibrium. Without the restraint of the frontal area of his cerebral cortex Gage's limbic system was free to fire off signals for emotions without any cognitive check. He had no control of himself. Homeboy was a mess :0) In that sense he was said to have been as much a beast as a man which is where I believe the concept of the beast began. This seems to me, somewhat of a misnomer as even beasts have more control than he. What I found interesting was that he lived like that for IIRC 12 years after the accident. That said I think we're rather still in the dark ages when it comes to issues of brain study. How does one define Love and hate or anger so that it's effects on the brain can be studied under a microscope? Some progress has been made in the love direction but I'm not even sure if studies have been done for anger. To my , granted, very very very limited knowledge the only emotion that lends itself to analysis that can be chemically traced and studied is anxiety. > Re: Re: anger 2 > >Cognition and emotion are always combined. It has to do with the way the >brain processes information from the environment using both the primitive >brain (limbic systems) and areas of cerebral cortex. There are very few >polarities. Things happen in complex clusters of action with everything >interacting with everything else in the brain and body. Pcub > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Not sure I agree with you here Piper. In 1848 in Vermont, Pheneas Gage had his brain severed which lead to the limbic system precursor brain research which ultimately lead to the " beastie " He was described as an intelligent well balanced man. The interesting thing about Gage was that his brain was severed in such a way that disconnected the limbic system from the frontal area of the cerebral cortex (part that sets priorities to incoming messages from the limbic system). Working together the limbic system and the frontal area of the cerebral cortex keep everything working in equilibrium. Without the restraint of the frontal area of his cerebral cortex Gage's limbic system was free to fire off signals for emotions without any cognitive check. He had no control of himself. Homeboy was a mess :0) In that sense he was said to have been as much a beast as a man which is where I believe the concept of the beast began. This seems to me, somewhat of a misnomer as even beasts have more control than he. What I found interesting was that he lived like that for IIRC 12 years after the accident. That said I think we're rather still in the dark ages when it comes to issues of brain study. How does one define Love and hate or anger so that it's effects on the brain can be studied under a microscope? Some progress has been made in the love direction but I'm not even sure if studies have been done for anger. To my , granted, very very very limited knowledge the only emotion that lends itself to analysis that can be chemically traced and studied is anxiety. > Re: Re: anger 2 > >Cognition and emotion are always combined. It has to do with the way the >brain processes information from the environment using both the primitive >brain (limbic systems) and areas of cerebral cortex. There are very few >polarities. Things happen in complex clusters of action with everything >interacting with everything else in the brain and body. Pcub > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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