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Cheryl P,

Thanks for updating us. Yes you are right. Your update is so relevant to members who are wanting to have that second AS baby. But it is also helpful for us to understand more things about ashermans. My theory is that your RE saying that the uterus gets back to "normal" means that the scarring is more or less completely "broken" up and removed because the uterus has stretched. The endometrium lining would be another theory to look into because it would involve the thickness of the lining rather than anything to do with the scarring.

Keep updating us.

Poly

p.s - Can't believe that your baby is already 11 1/2 years old!!!!!!!!

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Cheryl P,

Thanks for updating us. Yes you are right. Your update is so relevant to members who are wanting to have that second AS baby. But it is also helpful for us to understand more things about ashermans. My theory is that your RE saying that the uterus gets back to "normal" means that the scarring is more or less completely "broken" up and removed because the uterus has stretched. The endometrium lining would be another theory to look into because it would involve the thickness of the lining rather than anything to do with the scarring.

Keep updating us.

Poly

p.s - Can't believe that your baby is already 11 1/2 years old!!!!!!!!

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Cheryl P,

Thanks for updating us. Yes you are right. Your update is so relevant to members who are wanting to have that second AS baby. But it is also helpful for us to understand more things about ashermans. My theory is that your RE saying that the uterus gets back to "normal" means that the scarring is more or less completely "broken" up and removed because the uterus has stretched. The endometrium lining would be another theory to look into because it would involve the thickness of the lining rather than anything to do with the scarring.

Keep updating us.

Poly

p.s - Can't believe that your baby is already 11 1/2 years old!!!!!!!!

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My measurement after the 4th Sx...w/o hormones was 4mm. I was on

estradiol(I believe the dosage was 2.5mg 2x/day). Another time I was

on estinyl(.02mg 2x/day). The dosage is different for each because

they all get absorbed by the body differently. My shots were 2

amps. of Gonal-F/day for about 12 days and then a shot of HCG to

trigger ovulation. My lining was 6.5mm when I got pg. That was in

the thickest spot they could find...so most of my uterus was

thinner. I ovulated 5 eggs, so that one found the healthiest spot.

And that is another reason for injectibles; not just to thicken the

lining, but to improve the overall chances per cycle of getting pg

by producing more eggs. Oh....I also took baby aspirin after my

surgeries in addition with the hormones and injectibles.

Try not to worry too much(hard, I know). My lining never thickened

after the surgeries, until I started injectibles. Then it did

enough to get pg.....and now I have a beautiful 11 1/2 month old.

I'll update with my lining measurement tomorrow.

cheryl

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My measurement after the 4th Sx...w/o hormones was 4mm. I was on

estradiol(I believe the dosage was 2.5mg 2x/day). Another time I was

on estinyl(.02mg 2x/day). The dosage is different for each because

they all get absorbed by the body differently. My shots were 2

amps. of Gonal-F/day for about 12 days and then a shot of HCG to

trigger ovulation. My lining was 6.5mm when I got pg. That was in

the thickest spot they could find...so most of my uterus was

thinner. I ovulated 5 eggs, so that one found the healthiest spot.

And that is another reason for injectibles; not just to thicken the

lining, but to improve the overall chances per cycle of getting pg

by producing more eggs. Oh....I also took baby aspirin after my

surgeries in addition with the hormones and injectibles.

Try not to worry too much(hard, I know). My lining never thickened

after the surgeries, until I started injectibles. Then it did

enough to get pg.....and now I have a beautiful 11 1/2 month old.

I'll update with my lining measurement tomorrow.

cheryl

://faith.yahoo.com

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My measurement after the 4th Sx...w/o hormones was 4mm. I was on

estradiol(I believe the dosage was 2.5mg 2x/day). Another time I was

on estinyl(.02mg 2x/day). The dosage is different for each because

they all get absorbed by the body differently. My shots were 2

amps. of Gonal-F/day for about 12 days and then a shot of HCG to

trigger ovulation. My lining was 6.5mm when I got pg. That was in

the thickest spot they could find...so most of my uterus was

thinner. I ovulated 5 eggs, so that one found the healthiest spot.

And that is another reason for injectibles; not just to thicken the

lining, but to improve the overall chances per cycle of getting pg

by producing more eggs. Oh....I also took baby aspirin after my

surgeries in addition with the hormones and injectibles.

Try not to worry too much(hard, I know). My lining never thickened

after the surgeries, until I started injectibles. Then it did

enough to get pg.....and now I have a beautiful 11 1/2 month old.

I'll update with my lining measurement tomorrow.

cheryl

://faith.yahoo.com

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CORRECTION POLY.....thank god I havent been a member that long, but

Abbie is 11 1/2 MONTHS old!!!

Hope your family is doing great!!

> p.s - Can't believe that your baby is already 11 1/2 years

old!!!!!!!!

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CORRECTION POLY.....thank god I havent been a member that long, but

Abbie is 11 1/2 MONTHS old!!!

Hope your family is doing great!!

> p.s - Can't believe that your baby is already 11 1/2 years

old!!!!!!!!

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Cheryl: You mention that your lining didn't thicken after your surgeries until you took injectibles. Does that mean you did not get a period? I am currently faced with a similar situation, and am trying to decide if I have a chance to get pregnant or if I should seek alternatives. I've had two surgeries, and have not had a period. Right now, I'm on my third round of hormones, Estrodial, 4mg each day for two weeks, the 6 mg each day for two weeks, then withdrawal (using some drug other than Provera). Do you think if this doesn't work that I could try injectibles could as the last resort? Also, what dosage of baby aspirin did you take, and how often did you take it? I've been trying that recently as well. Thanks for any insight you may have!

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Cheryl: You mention that your lining didn't thicken after your surgeries until you took injectibles. Does that mean you did not get a period? I am currently faced with a similar situation, and am trying to decide if I have a chance to get pregnant or if I should seek alternatives. I've had two surgeries, and have not had a period. Right now, I'm on my third round of hormones, Estrodial, 4mg each day for two weeks, the 6 mg each day for two weeks, then withdrawal (using some drug other than Provera). Do you think if this doesn't work that I could try injectibles could as the last resort? Also, what dosage of baby aspirin did you take, and how often did you take it? I've been trying that recently as well. Thanks for any insight you may have!

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As far as I know, all the injectable gonadotropin medications do for

the endometrium is increase the estrogen level by however many

follicles they stimulate. Basically, pretty much all those

medications do (when they work) is stimulate formation of lots of

eggs. If you aren't getting any endometrial response to increased

estrogen levels from oral or topical estrogen, I don't know that you

would get any response to the increased estrogen levels with

injectable medications. I think they can get pretty high estrogen

levels with oral/topical estrogen and as far as I know estrogen from

oral or topical estrogen does reach the endometrium (however, I

heard from one of the fellows training in the fertility clinic where

I'm treated, that progesterone suppositories deliver greater amounts

of progesterone to the uterus than oral progesterone). The

injectable medications very expensive and uncomfortable and not

altogether safe (risk of overstimulation of the ovary). You should

ask your doctor, but it seems to me that unless there is good reason

to believe there would be some specific added benefit from

injectable gonadotropins (e.g., Gonal F), you would be taking on

unnecessary risk and expense that wouldn't do you a bit of good.

What medication will you be using to induce withdrawal bleeding this

month?

Helen Marie

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As far as I know, all the injectable gonadotropin medications do for

the endometrium is increase the estrogen level by however many

follicles they stimulate. Basically, pretty much all those

medications do (when they work) is stimulate formation of lots of

eggs. If you aren't getting any endometrial response to increased

estrogen levels from oral or topical estrogen, I don't know that you

would get any response to the increased estrogen levels with

injectable medications. I think they can get pretty high estrogen

levels with oral/topical estrogen and as far as I know estrogen from

oral or topical estrogen does reach the endometrium (however, I

heard from one of the fellows training in the fertility clinic where

I'm treated, that progesterone suppositories deliver greater amounts

of progesterone to the uterus than oral progesterone). The

injectable medications very expensive and uncomfortable and not

altogether safe (risk of overstimulation of the ovary). You should

ask your doctor, but it seems to me that unless there is good reason

to believe there would be some specific added benefit from

injectable gonadotropins (e.g., Gonal F), you would be taking on

unnecessary risk and expense that wouldn't do you a bit of good.

What medication will you be using to induce withdrawal bleeding this

month?

Helen Marie

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Helen Marie: Thank you for your response. It was very helpful. Have you heard of anyone ever not responding to oral estrogen? Do you know of anyone that has just never been able to develop the endometrium again? I am not certain of what's going to be used to withdraw me, but it sounds like the doctor will use something other than Provera this time, as this last attempt failed again. Thanks again. B

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Helen Marie: Thank you for your response. It was very helpful. Have you heard of anyone ever not responding to oral estrogen? Do you know of anyone that has just never been able to develop the endometrium again? I am not certain of what's going to be used to withdraw me, but it sounds like the doctor will use something other than Provera this time, as this last attempt failed again. Thanks again. B

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I don't understand your message to me. I get my period so I don't

need meds. for a w/drawal bleed. The benefits of the injectibles

are getting pg!!! Which worked the 2nd cycle that I was on them.

I had 7 mature follicles---all producing estrogen. And I also took

oral and vaginal estrogen. Shots increase your chance of conceiving

by increasing estrogen ie. number of eggs ovulated/cycle.

cheryl

ps. the RE follows you closely by doing US every other day to avoid

hyperstim.

> What medication will you be using to induce withdrawal bleeding

this

> month?

>

> Helen Marie

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I don't understand your message to me. I get my period so I don't

need meds. for a w/drawal bleed. The benefits of the injectibles

are getting pg!!! Which worked the 2nd cycle that I was on them.

I had 7 mature follicles---all producing estrogen. And I also took

oral and vaginal estrogen. Shots increase your chance of conceiving

by increasing estrogen ie. number of eggs ovulated/cycle.

cheryl

ps. the RE follows you closely by doing US every other day to avoid

hyperstim.

> What medication will you be using to induce withdrawal bleeding

this

> month?

>

> Helen Marie

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I don't respond very much to estrogen. My endometrium grows by

about 2 mm, but I do get a period. I can see endometrium grow on

ultrasound on 50-75% of my uterus, but there is no growth in some

areas. My doctors, at various points along the way, told me that I

might not be able to regrow any endometrium or stay open. I think

the doctor is still concerned that I could get recurrent adhesions

and close down again. They do endometrial ablation deliberately for

women who are having a lot of bleeding problems (e.g., around

menopause) and 60% of them never bleed again (despite continued

ovulation). So, it is possible to lose all your endometrium and not

bleed at all in response to estrogen. As I understand it, if you

lose the lining all the way down to the muscle below, it doesn't

regrow normally. Just like someone with a third degree burn will

not regrow hair and sweat glands. Even though they grow a scar to

cover the wound, it is not normal skin. But, I think the first is

to make sure whether or not your uterus is open. Have you had a HSG

showing it is open?

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I don't respond very much to estrogen. My endometrium grows by

about 2 mm, but I do get a period. I can see endometrium grow on

ultrasound on 50-75% of my uterus, but there is no growth in some

areas. My doctors, at various points along the way, told me that I

might not be able to regrow any endometrium or stay open. I think

the doctor is still concerned that I could get recurrent adhesions

and close down again. They do endometrial ablation deliberately for

women who are having a lot of bleeding problems (e.g., around

menopause) and 60% of them never bleed again (despite continued

ovulation). So, it is possible to lose all your endometrium and not

bleed at all in response to estrogen. As I understand it, if you

lose the lining all the way down to the muscle below, it doesn't

regrow normally. Just like someone with a third degree burn will

not regrow hair and sweat glands. Even though they grow a scar to

cover the wound, it is not normal skin. But, I think the first is

to make sure whether or not your uterus is open. Have you had a HSG

showing it is open?

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