Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper reports on EMS re]

[Guest guest]

So consider this... Why do we hear about all the flights that crash?

Military, civilian, medical or otherwise, it doesn't matter. We hear about

them because they are relatively rare. We *don't* hear about every vehicle

accident that happens every day in the country, because there are way too

many to report, and besides, vehicle collisions aren't " news " . There are a

multitude of emergency vehicle accidents all over the country each day.

Personally, I'd feel much safer flying than I would on the ground...

-Meris :-)

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> Mike wrote:

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> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white

> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government

> > using them so often?

>

> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and

> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did

> today.

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> --

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[Guest guest]

That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years:

Average worker = 4.6

Firefighting = 11

General EMS = 12

Police Work = 13

Farming = 26

Mining = 27

Medical Helicopter = 75

Alaska Crab Fishing = 77

Flying in a medical helicopter is about 6-7 times more dangerous than ground

EMS. These are undisputed figures. If people in EMS keep making decisions

based upon anecdote and how they feel, we will never get anywhere.

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Meris

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:35 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

reports on EMS re]

So consider this... Why do we hear about all the flights that crash?

Military, civilian, medical or otherwise, it doesn't matter. We hear about

them because they are relatively rare. We *don't* hear about every vehicle

accident that happens every day in the country, because there are way too

many to report, and besides, vehicle collisions aren't " news " . There are a

multitude of emergency vehicle accidents all over the country each day.

Personally, I'd feel much safer flying than I would on the ground...

-Meris :-)

>

> Mike wrote:

>

> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white

> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government

> > using them so often?

>

> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and

> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did

> today.

>

> --

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years:

Average worker = 4.6

Firefighting = 11

General EMS = 12

Police Work = 13

Farming = 26

Mining = 27

Medical Helicopter = 75

Alaska Crab Fishing = 77

Flying in a medical helicopter is about 6-7 times more dangerous than ground

EMS. These are undisputed figures. If people in EMS keep making decisions

based upon anecdote and how they feel, we will never get anywhere.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Meris

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:35 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

reports on EMS re]

So consider this... Why do we hear about all the flights that crash?

Military, civilian, medical or otherwise, it doesn't matter. We hear about

them because they are relatively rare. We *don't* hear about every vehicle

accident that happens every day in the country, because there are way too

many to report, and besides, vehicle collisions aren't " news " . There are a

multitude of emergency vehicle accidents all over the country each day.

Personally, I'd feel much safer flying than I would on the ground...

-Meris :-)

>

> Mike wrote:

>

> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white

> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government

> > using them so often?

>

> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and

> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did

> today.

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is the reason they equalize deaths per 100,000 person years:

Average worker = 4.6

Firefighting = 11

General EMS = 12

Police Work = 13

Farming = 26

Mining = 27

Medical Helicopter = 75

Alaska Crab Fishing = 77

Flying in a medical helicopter is about 6-7 times more dangerous than ground

EMS. These are undisputed figures. If people in EMS keep making decisions

based upon anecdote and how they feel, we will never get anywhere.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Meris

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:35 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

reports on EMS re]

So consider this... Why do we hear about all the flights that crash?

Military, civilian, medical or otherwise, it doesn't matter. We hear about

them because they are relatively rare. We *don't* hear about every vehicle

accident that happens every day in the country, because there are way too

many to report, and besides, vehicle collisions aren't " news " . There are a

multitude of emergency vehicle accidents all over the country each day.

Personally, I'd feel much safer flying than I would on the ground...

-Meris :-)

>

> Mike wrote:

>

> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white

> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government

> > using them so often?

>

> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and

> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did

> today.

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

6.25 times more likely to die......says a lot.

Change your mind Meris?

Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

> reports on EMS re]

>

>

>

> So consider this... Why do we hear about all the flights that crash?

> Military, civilian, medical or otherwise, it doesn't matter. We hear

> about

> them because they are relatively rare. We *don't* hear about every

> vehicle

> accident that happens every day in the country, because there are way too

> many to report, and besides, vehicle collisions aren't " news " . There are

> a

> multitude of emergency vehicle accidents all over the country each day.

> Personally, I'd feel much safer flying than I would on the ground...

>

> -Meris :-)

>

>

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>> Mike wrote:

>>

>> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white

>> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government

>> > using them so often?

>>

>> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and

>> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did

>> today.

>>

>> --

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

6.25 times more likely to die......says a lot.

Change your mind Meris?

Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

> reports on EMS re]

>

>

>

> So consider this... Why do we hear about all the flights that crash?

> Military, civilian, medical or otherwise, it doesn't matter. We hear

> about

> them because they are relatively rare. We *don't* hear about every

> vehicle

> accident that happens every day in the country, because there are way too

> many to report, and besides, vehicle collisions aren't " news " . There are

> a

> multitude of emergency vehicle accidents all over the country each day.

> Personally, I'd feel much safer flying than I would on the ground...

>

> -Meris :-)

>

>

>>

>> Mike wrote:

>>

>> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white

>> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government

>> > using them so often?

>>

>> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and

>> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did

>> today.

>>

>> --

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

6.25 times more likely to die......says a lot.

Change your mind Meris?

Re: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

> reports on EMS re]

>

>

>

> So consider this... Why do we hear about all the flights that crash?

> Military, civilian, medical or otherwise, it doesn't matter. We hear

> about

> them because they are relatively rare. We *don't* hear about every

> vehicle

> accident that happens every day in the country, because there are way too

> many to report, and besides, vehicle collisions aren't " news " . There are

> a

> multitude of emergency vehicle accidents all over the country each day.

> Personally, I'd feel much safer flying than I would on the ground...

>

> -Meris :-)

>

>

>>

>> Mike wrote:

>>

>> > when's the last time the Presidential copter (or any for the white

>> > house staff) crashed? If they're so unsafe, why's the government

>> > using them so often?

>>

>> Perhaps they know maintenance and a less cavalier attitude on when and

>> how to fly makes a difference. Military craft still go down. Two did

>> today.

>>

>> --

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Um, Meris........MERIS!!!!! Helloooooooo! Have you ever made an emergency

forced landing in a helicopter? I have, twice, and you can't just pull over

on the side of the road.

I know that intuitively it seems like ground transport is very dangerous.

It is. But air transport is SO WAY MORE!

Resist that impulse. If man had been meant to fly, he would have been given

wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be under a windmill

that's kept in a straight line only by another windmill?

If you knew what I know about helo maintenance practices, you'd never get

within 300 yards of one.

Yes, they are fun. Yes, they are cool. Yes, they kill. My cousin and

her husband were killed in one in New Zealand 3 years ago. Ran into a power

line landing on the same pad the pilot had landed on hundreds of times. Why?

One little miscalculation of wind speed and direction.

I'd rather have a flat tire. Or live to have a Fat Tire!

Best,

GG

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...

[Guest guest]

Um, Meris........MERIS!!!!! Helloooooooo! Have you ever made an emergency

forced landing in a helicopter? I have, twice, and you can't just pull over

on the side of the road.

I know that intuitively it seems like ground transport is very dangerous.

It is. But air transport is SO WAY MORE!

Resist that impulse. If man had been meant to fly, he would have been given

wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be under a windmill

that's kept in a straight line only by another windmill?

If you knew what I know about helo maintenance practices, you'd never get

within 300 yards of one.

Yes, they are fun. Yes, they are cool. Yes, they kill. My cousin and

her husband were killed in one in New Zealand 3 years ago. Ran into a power

line landing on the same pad the pilot had landed on hundreds of times. Why?

One little miscalculation of wind speed and direction.

I'd rather have a flat tire. Or live to have a Fat Tire!

Best,

GG

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...

[Guest guest]

Um, Meris........MERIS!!!!! Helloooooooo! Have you ever made an emergency

forced landing in a helicopter? I have, twice, and you can't just pull over

on the side of the road.

I know that intuitively it seems like ground transport is very dangerous.

It is. But air transport is SO WAY MORE!

Resist that impulse. If man had been meant to fly, he would have been given

wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be under a windmill

that's kept in a straight line only by another windmill?

If you knew what I know about helo maintenance practices, you'd never get

within 300 yards of one.

Yes, they are fun. Yes, they are cool. Yes, they kill. My cousin and

her husband were killed in one in New Zealand 3 years ago. Ran into a power

line landing on the same pad the pilot had landed on hundreds of times. Why?

One little miscalculation of wind speed and direction.

I'd rather have a flat tire. Or live to have a Fat Tire!

Best,

GG

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...

[Guest guest]

Amen Doc, truer words were never spoken.

We must move on past " because it's always been done that way', and 'I once

saw it work on a patient', or " it doesn't hurt them, therefore..' and come

into science based, research supported medicine.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

RE: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

reports on EMS re]

>>If people in EMS keep making decisions based upon anecdote and how they

feel, we will >>never get anywhere.

[Guest guest]

Amen Doc, truer words were never spoken.

We must move on past " because it's always been done that way', and 'I once

saw it work on a patient', or " it doesn't hurt them, therefore..' and come

into science based, research supported medicine.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

RE: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

reports on EMS re]

>>If people in EMS keep making decisions based upon anecdote and how they

feel, we will >>never get anywhere.

[Guest guest]

Amen Doc, truer words were never spoken.

We must move on past " because it's always been done that way', and 'I once

saw it work on a patient', or " it doesn't hurt them, therefore..' and come

into science based, research supported medicine.

Mike

Hatfield FF/EMT-P

RE: Helicopter use [was RE: Corpus Christi newspaper

reports on EMS re]

>>If people in EMS keep making decisions based upon anecdote and how they

feel, we will >>never get anywhere.

[Guest guest]

G

No disrespect toward you is meant by my response but I have never called for

a Helo just because it is cool or exciting nor the qualified medics I work with.

We do our best to make a good clinical judgment based on what the Pt. needs and

if our local facility can provide that care or not. Air transport does have a

place in EMS as long as good decisions are made. No I have not ever rode in a

Helo and no nothing about the maintenance of one. All I know is it flys high in

the air. The service I work with is about fifty miles from a level of care

greater than four and we do not routinely transport that far per our system.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

Um, Meris........MERIS!!!!! Helloooooooo! Have you ever made an emergency

forced landing in a helicopter? I have, twice, and you can't just pull over

on the side of the road.

I know that intuitively it seems like ground transport is very dangerous.

It is. But air transport is SO WAY MORE!

Resist that impulse. If man had been meant to fly, he would have been given

wings! A helo doesn't even have those. Who wants to be under a windmill

that's kept in a straight line only by another windmill?

If you knew what I know about helo maintenance practices, you'd never get

within 300 yards of one.

Yes, they are fun. Yes, they are cool. Yes, they kill. My cousin and

her husband were killed in one in New Zealand 3 years ago. Ran into a power

line landing on the same pad the pilot had landed on hundreds of times. Why?

One little miscalculation of wind speed and direction.

I'd rather have a flat tire. Or live to have a Fat Tire!

Best,

GG

E.(Gene) Gandy

POB 1651

Albany, TX 76430

wegandy1938@...