Re: From my friend whose so---Tina

[Guest guest]

and Gabe too, but they had physical reactions as well. I didn't put

's together for some time. Gabe's was much more obvious I think - he

had the shot, was sick for 2 weeks, and once he recovered had lost

significant skills which he still has not fully recovered.

Gabe had the thimeresol-free DTaP (the DTaP is supposed to be safer than the

DTP), it was the only shot he received that day, and he had none for 3

months prior, nor had he been ill in the past 6 weeks. It was the first

vaccine he showed any sort of reaction to at all.

-Sara.

> Tina,

> Did show any physical response to the DPT, or just lose skills?

> also lost things after both DPT's but we didn't put it

> together back

> then.

> Sue

> > And I still believe that either the timing was perfect or 's 3rd

> > DTP made her worse. I have her on video too. The spark in her eyes,

> > the words (she had about 20, most only vowel sounds and almost

> > unintelligable even to me), and the eye contact. They were all there.

> > But then they went away.

[Guest guest]

and Gabe too, but they had physical reactions as well. I didn't put

's together for some time. Gabe's was much more obvious I think - he

had the shot, was sick for 2 weeks, and once he recovered had lost

significant skills which he still has not fully recovered.

Gabe had the thimeresol-free DTaP (the DTaP is supposed to be safer than the

DTP), it was the only shot he received that day, and he had none for 3

months prior, nor had he been ill in the past 6 weeks. It was the first

vaccine he showed any sort of reaction to at all.

-Sara.

> Tina,

> Did show any physical response to the DPT, or just lose skills?

> also lost things after both DPT's but we didn't put it

> together back

> then.

> Sue

> > And I still believe that either the timing was perfect or 's 3rd

> > DTP made her worse. I have her on video too. The spark in her eyes,

> > the words (she had about 20, most only vowel sounds and almost

> > unintelligable even to me), and the eye contact. They were all there.

> > But then they went away.

[Guest guest]

> Tina,

> Did show any physical response to the DPT, or just lose

skills? also lost things after both DPT's but we didn't put it

together back then.

> Sue

She was fussy after all the shots but the day she had the 3rd shot,

she ran a fever and screamed for over 4 hours. She arched her back a

lot and acted like she was in a lot of pain. I remember pacing the

floor with her for another 4 - 5 hours in the middle of that night.

Nothing would calm her and she had been such an easy going baby that

was totally opposite of her normal behavior. From birth to 6 mos, she

developed completely normally. She had a little trouble learning to

breastfeed but not much. By the time she was 6 or 7 hours old, she

was breadfeeding just fine. She never liked to be swaddled tight nor

totally unwrapped and she liked to be laid down in her bed to go to

sleep. So I guess there were some slight signs of autism before the

shots, but nothing like they were after that 3rd one. The next day

she was very lethargic and she just never seemed that bright eyed and

intelligent again. She would have moments when she seemed the same,

but they got fewer and fewer the older she got. By 2 she wasn't the

same baby at all. She was constantly anxious and irritable.

Tina

[Guest guest]

> Tina,

> Did show any physical response to the DPT, or just lose

skills? also lost things after both DPT's but we didn't put it

together back then.

> Sue

She was fussy after all the shots but the day she had the 3rd shot,

she ran a fever and screamed for over 4 hours. She arched her back a

lot and acted like she was in a lot of pain. I remember pacing the

floor with her for another 4 - 5 hours in the middle of that night.

Nothing would calm her and she had been such an easy going baby that

was totally opposite of her normal behavior. From birth to 6 mos, she

developed completely normally. She had a little trouble learning to

breastfeed but not much. By the time she was 6 or 7 hours old, she

was breadfeeding just fine. She never liked to be swaddled tight nor

totally unwrapped and she liked to be laid down in her bed to go to

sleep. So I guess there were some slight signs of autism before the

shots, but nothing like they were after that 3rd one. The next day

she was very lethargic and she just never seemed that bright eyed and

intelligent again. She would have moments when she seemed the same,

but they got fewer and fewer the older she got. By 2 she wasn't the

same baby at all. She was constantly anxious and irritable.

Tina

[Guest guest]

> Tina,

> Did show any physical response to the DPT, or just lose

skills? also lost things after both DPT's but we didn't put it

together back then.

> Sue

She was fussy after all the shots but the day she had the 3rd shot,

she ran a fever and screamed for over 4 hours. She arched her back a

lot and acted like she was in a lot of pain. I remember pacing the

floor with her for another 4 - 5 hours in the middle of that night.

Nothing would calm her and she had been such an easy going baby that

was totally opposite of her normal behavior. From birth to 6 mos, she

developed completely normally. She had a little trouble learning to

breastfeed but not much. By the time she was 6 or 7 hours old, she

was breadfeeding just fine. She never liked to be swaddled tight nor

totally unwrapped and she liked to be laid down in her bed to go to

sleep. So I guess there were some slight signs of autism before the

shots, but nothing like they were after that 3rd one. The next day

she was very lethargic and she just never seemed that bright eyed and

intelligent again. She would have moments when she seemed the same,

but they got fewer and fewer the older she got. By 2 she wasn't the

same baby at all. She was constantly anxious and irritable.

Tina

[Guest guest]

> Gabe had the thimeresol-free DTaP (the DTaP is supposed to be safer

than the DTP), it was the only shot he received that day, and he had

none for 3 months prior, nor had he been ill in the past 6 weeks. It

was the first vaccine he showed any sort of reaction to at all.

>

I don't know if 's was thimeresol free or not. I hadn't heard of

thimeresol until after all of my kids had had their shots. All of

them had the DTaP though. had the DTP the first time and the

DTaP the other times.

I would have to look at her records again but I'm pretty sure she had

the DTaP, polio and HiB at the same time. The MMR bothered her, she

cried and was feverish and cranky for 3 days but not like the DTaP.

She never had any rashes or other physical symptoms from the shots.

Tina

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/03 12:45:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

danaar1@... writes:

> I don't know if 's was thimeresol free or not. I hadn't heard of

> thimeresol until after all of my kids had had their shots.

From what I've heard they started making these in 2001. The flu shots still

have it in there though. They are working on a nasal inhaler for the flu

shot that would not need the thimersol.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/03 12:45:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

danaar1@... writes:

> I don't know if 's was thimeresol free or not. I hadn't heard of

> thimeresol until after all of my kids had had their shots.

From what I've heard they started making these in 2001. The flu shots still

have it in there though. They are working on a nasal inhaler for the flu

shot that would not need the thimersol.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/6/03 12:45:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

danaar1@... writes:

> I don't know if 's was thimeresol free or not. I hadn't heard of

> thimeresol until after all of my kids had had their shots.

From what I've heard they started making these in 2001. The flu shots still

have it in there though. They are working on a nasal inhaler for the flu

shot that would not need the thimersol.

[Guest guest]

> She was fussy after all the shots but the day she had the 3rd shot,

> she ran a fever and screamed for over 4 hours. She arched her back a

had the same crying reaction but I did not see any marked

differences in him afterwards.

I called the nurse hotline & they assured me this was a " normal " reaction

and nothing to worry about.

I learned later this is a sign of swelling in the brain.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

> She was fussy after all the shots but the day she had the 3rd shot,

> she ran a fever and screamed for over 4 hours. She arched her back a

had the same crying reaction but I did not see any marked

differences in him afterwards.

I called the nurse hotline & they assured me this was a " normal " reaction

and nothing to worry about.

I learned later this is a sign of swelling in the brain.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

> She was fussy after all the shots but the day she had the 3rd shot,

> she ran a fever and screamed for over 4 hours. She arched her back a

had the same crying reaction but I did not see any marked

differences in him afterwards.

I called the nurse hotline & they assured me this was a " normal " reaction

and nothing to worry about.

I learned later this is a sign of swelling in the brain.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

They may have started making it then, but they didn't throw away all of the

old stuff. Kids can still be getting the thimersol.

Sue

[Guest guest]

They may have started making it then, but they didn't throw away all of the

old stuff. Kids can still be getting the thimersol.

Sue

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 1/6/03 12:45:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> danaar1@y... writes:

>

> > I don't know if 's was thimeresol free or not. I hadn't

heard of thimeresol until after all of my kids had had their shots.

>

> From what I've heard they started making these in 2001. The flu

shots still have it in there though. They are working on a nasal

inhaler for the flu shot that would not need the thimersol.

>

My kids were born in 91, 93 and 95 and they had all their shots

pretty much on schedule so I figure all of them had thimeresol. :/

Tina

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 1/6/03 12:45:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> danaar1@y... writes:

>

> > I don't know if 's was thimeresol free or not. I hadn't

heard of thimeresol until after all of my kids had had their shots.

>

> From what I've heard they started making these in 2001. The flu

shots still have it in there though. They are working on a nasal

inhaler for the flu shot that would not need the thimersol.

>

My kids were born in 91, 93 and 95 and they had all their shots

pretty much on schedule so I figure all of them had thimeresol. :/

Tina

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 1/6/03 12:45:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> danaar1@y... writes:

>

> > I don't know if 's was thimeresol free or not. I hadn't

heard of thimeresol until after all of my kids had had their shots.

>

> From what I've heard they started making these in 2001. The flu

shots still have it in there though. They are working on a nasal

inhaler for the flu shot that would not need the thimersol.

>

My kids were born in 91, 93 and 95 and they had all their shots

pretty much on schedule so I figure all of them had thimeresol. :/

Tina

[Guest guest]

--- In parenting_autism , " The Byks " <thebyks@e...>

> I called the nurse hotline & they assured me this was a " normal "

reaction and nothing to worry about.

>

> I learned later this is a sign of swelling in the brain.

I learned that too, but when I heard it, (around 1995) the show I was

watching was talking about parents who believed their children's

disabilities had been caused by the MMR. And while the symptoms they

were describing fit to a tee, I just kept thinking, 'that's the

MMR, not the DTaP. Her reaction was to the DTaP and they say that one

is safe'.

Well, I know now that I didn't want to face the fact that by giving

my daughter the immunizations I may have inadvertently contributed to

her delays. I just couldn't stand the thought that in my efforts to

protect her, I'd actually been part of the cause of her problems.

LOTS of guilt over that.

I've finally come to grips with it. It's over and done and I can't

undo it.

I called the doctor when she was crying all night too. I was told the

same thing. " It's normal. Give her some Tylenol. She'll be fine. "

Tina

[Guest guest]

> Well, I know now that I didn't want to face the fact that by giving

> my daughter the immunizations I may have inadvertently contributed to

> her delays. I just couldn't stand the thought that in my efforts to

> protect her, I'd actually been part of the cause of her problems.

> LOTS of guilt over that.

I completely understand.

reacted to every single shot he had. Mild to moderate reactions

each and every time. I could COUNT on 3 days of fever and fussiness and a

big painful red lump on his leg. All the doctors we saw said this was

normal and nothing to worry about. It was not until after he'd completed

his vaccinations at 2 that I even thought about that contributing to his

problems.

We were so, so careful with Gabe. We did a single shot at a time and we

spaced them out. If I even suspected he was getting sick we didn't get it.

I double- and triple-checked that each shot was thimerisol-free. (These had

only just become available.) He had no reactions whatsoever until that

final DTaP. And now here we are again.

We do the best we can with the knowledge we have at the time. If we learn

more later that would have changed our decision had we only known, we need

to remind ourselves that it is past and nothing can change it, and

congratulate ourselves for keeping an open mind and being WILLING to learn

more, even when we know it may hurt us.

The Catholic take on sin and guilt has helped me deal with this. Mortal

sins are by definition things that you do which you KNEW were wrong when you

did them. If you do the exact same thing but you DO NOT KNOW it's wrong,

then you are not culpable. It may still be a venial sin, but you can simply

say, " I'm sorry " and it's forgotten.

It is still a sad and difficult thing, but I have at least let go of the

guilt.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

> Well, I know now that I didn't want to face the fact that by giving

> my daughter the immunizations I may have inadvertently contributed to

> her delays. I just couldn't stand the thought that in my efforts to

> protect her, I'd actually been part of the cause of her problems.

> LOTS of guilt over that.

I completely understand.

reacted to every single shot he had. Mild to moderate reactions

each and every time. I could COUNT on 3 days of fever and fussiness and a

big painful red lump on his leg. All the doctors we saw said this was

normal and nothing to worry about. It was not until after he'd completed

his vaccinations at 2 that I even thought about that contributing to his

problems.

We were so, so careful with Gabe. We did a single shot at a time and we

spaced them out. If I even suspected he was getting sick we didn't get it.

I double- and triple-checked that each shot was thimerisol-free. (These had

only just become available.) He had no reactions whatsoever until that

final DTaP. And now here we are again.

We do the best we can with the knowledge we have at the time. If we learn

more later that would have changed our decision had we only known, we need

to remind ourselves that it is past and nothing can change it, and

congratulate ourselves for keeping an open mind and being WILLING to learn

more, even when we know it may hurt us.

The Catholic take on sin and guilt has helped me deal with this. Mortal

sins are by definition things that you do which you KNEW were wrong when you

did them. If you do the exact same thing but you DO NOT KNOW it's wrong,

then you are not culpable. It may still be a venial sin, but you can simply

say, " I'm sorry " and it's forgotten.

It is still a sad and difficult thing, but I have at least let go of the

guilt.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

> Well, I know now that I didn't want to face the fact that by giving

> my daughter the immunizations I may have inadvertently contributed to

> her delays. I just couldn't stand the thought that in my efforts to

> protect her, I'd actually been part of the cause of her problems.

> LOTS of guilt over that.

I completely understand.

reacted to every single shot he had. Mild to moderate reactions

each and every time. I could COUNT on 3 days of fever and fussiness and a

big painful red lump on his leg. All the doctors we saw said this was

normal and nothing to worry about. It was not until after he'd completed

his vaccinations at 2 that I even thought about that contributing to his

problems.

We were so, so careful with Gabe. We did a single shot at a time and we

spaced them out. If I even suspected he was getting sick we didn't get it.

I double- and triple-checked that each shot was thimerisol-free. (These had

only just become available.) He had no reactions whatsoever until that

final DTaP. And now here we are again.

We do the best we can with the knowledge we have at the time. If we learn

more later that would have changed our decision had we only known, we need

to remind ourselves that it is past and nothing can change it, and

congratulate ourselves for keeping an open mind and being WILLING to learn

more, even when we know it may hurt us.

The Catholic take on sin and guilt has helped me deal with this. Mortal

sins are by definition things that you do which you KNEW were wrong when you

did them. If you do the exact same thing but you DO NOT KNOW it's wrong,

then you are not culpable. It may still be a venial sin, but you can simply

say, " I'm sorry " and it's forgotten.

It is still a sad and difficult thing, but I have at least let go of the

guilt.

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

If it makes anyone feel better, my son began regressing before his

MMR.

> --- In parenting_autism , " The Byks " <thebyks@e...>

> > I called the nurse hotline & they assured me this was a " normal "

> reaction and nothing to worry about.

> >

> > I learned later this is a sign of swelling in the brain.

>

>

> I learned that too, but when I heard it, (around 1995) the show I

was

> watching was talking about parents who believed their children's

> disabilities had been caused by the MMR. And while the symptoms

they

> were describing fit to a tee, I just kept thinking, 'that's

the

> MMR, not the DTaP. Her reaction was to the DTaP and they say that

one

> is safe'.

>

> Well, I know now that I didn't want to face the fact that by giving

> my daughter the immunizations I may have inadvertently contributed

to

> her delays. I just couldn't stand the thought that in my efforts to

> protect her, I'd actually been part of the cause of her problems.

> LOTS of guilt over that.

>

> I've finally come to grips with it. It's over and done and I can't

> undo it.

>

> I called the doctor when she was crying all night too. I was told

the

> same thing. " It's normal. Give her some Tylenol. She'll be fine. "

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

If it makes anyone feel better, my son began regressing before his

MMR.

> --- In parenting_autism , " The Byks " <thebyks@e...>

> > I called the nurse hotline & they assured me this was a " normal "

> reaction and nothing to worry about.

> >

> > I learned later this is a sign of swelling in the brain.

>

>

> I learned that too, but when I heard it, (around 1995) the show I

was

> watching was talking about parents who believed their children's

> disabilities had been caused by the MMR. And while the symptoms

they

> were describing fit to a tee, I just kept thinking, 'that's

the

> MMR, not the DTaP. Her reaction was to the DTaP and they say that

one

> is safe'.

>

> Well, I know now that I didn't want to face the fact that by giving

> my daughter the immunizations I may have inadvertently contributed

to

> her delays. I just couldn't stand the thought that in my efforts to

> protect her, I'd actually been part of the cause of her problems.

> LOTS of guilt over that.

>

> I've finally come to grips with it. It's over and done and I can't

> undo it.

>

> I called the doctor when she was crying all night too. I was told

the

> same thing. " It's normal. Give her some Tylenol. She'll be fine. "

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

If it makes anyone feel better, my son began regressing before his

MMR.

> --- In parenting_autism , " The Byks " <thebyks@e...>

> > I called the nurse hotline & they assured me this was a " normal "

> reaction and nothing to worry about.

> >

> > I learned later this is a sign of swelling in the brain.

>

>

> I learned that too, but when I heard it, (around 1995) the show I

was

> watching was talking about parents who believed their children's

> disabilities had been caused by the MMR. And while the symptoms

they

> were describing fit to a tee, I just kept thinking, 'that's

the

> MMR, not the DTaP. Her reaction was to the DTaP and they say that

one

> is safe'.

>

> Well, I know now that I didn't want to face the fact that by giving

> my daughter the immunizations I may have inadvertently contributed

to

> her delays. I just couldn't stand the thought that in my efforts to

> protect her, I'd actually been part of the cause of her problems.

> LOTS of guilt over that.

>

> I've finally come to grips with it. It's over and done and I can't

> undo it.

>

> I called the doctor when she was crying all night too. I was told

the

> same thing. " It's normal. Give her some Tylenol. She'll be fine. "

>

> Tina