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I am sorry about Jeff (even though I don’t know what bell palsy means it

sounds no good). I am happy that Yessenia is OK.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

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De: Jacquie

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Asunto: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting

worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other

than that he is doing fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never stops

moving! lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of

squash and a bowl of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra

weight and for her to be content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head

circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she is 95% for length and 20% for weight

and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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I am sorry about Jeff (even though I don’t know what bell palsy means it

sounds no good). I am happy that Yessenia is OK.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

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De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:11 p.m.

Para: tassfamily ; parenting_autism ;

new02moms

Asunto: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting

worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other

than that he is doing fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never stops

moving! lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of

squash and a bowl of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra

weight and for her to be content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head

circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she is 95% for length and 20% for weight

and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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I am sorry about Jeff (even though I don’t know what bell palsy means it

sounds no good). I am happy that Yessenia is OK.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

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De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:11 p.m.

Para: tassfamily ; parenting_autism ;

new02moms

Asunto: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting

worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other

than that he is doing fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never stops

moving! lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of

squash and a bowl of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra

weight and for her to be content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head

circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she is 95% for length and 20% for weight

and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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bells palsy is where one side of the face is paralyzed. most times it is not

permanent. it should go away in about 6 months. :)

jacquie h

RE: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

I am sorry about Jeff (even though I don't know what bell palsy means it

sounds no good). I am happy that Yessenia is OK.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

-----Mensaje original-----

De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:11 p.m.

Para: tassfamily ; parenting_autism ;

new02moms

Asunto: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting

worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other

than that he is doing fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never stops

moving! lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of

squash and a bowl of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra

weight and for her to be content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head

circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she is 95% for length and 20% for weight

and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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Now I now my niece’s boyfriend had that and it was cost by stress. He is

a very nice guy but has a lot of problems financially and in his family.

If you thinking about stress, Jeff probably has lot of it.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

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De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:25 p.m.

Para: parenting_autism

Asunto: Re: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's

recheck

bells palsy is where one side of the face is paralyzed. most times it is

not permanent. it should go away in about 6 months. :)

jacquie h

RE: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's

recheck

I am sorry about Jeff (even though I don't know what bell palsy means

it

sounds no good). I am happy that Yessenia is OK.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

-----Mensaje original-----

De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:11 p.m.

Para: tassfamily ; parenting_autism ;

new02moms

Asunto: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to

recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting

worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other

than that he is doing fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never

stops

moving! lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of

squash and a bowl of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra

weight and for her to be content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head

circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she is 95% for length and 20% for

weight

and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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Now I now my niece’s boyfriend had that and it was cost by stress. He is

a very nice guy but has a lot of problems financially and in his family.

If you thinking about stress, Jeff probably has lot of it.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

-----Mensaje original-----

De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:25 p.m.

Para: parenting_autism

Asunto: Re: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's

recheck

bells palsy is where one side of the face is paralyzed. most times it is

not permanent. it should go away in about 6 months. :)

jacquie h

RE: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's

recheck

I am sorry about Jeff (even though I don't know what bell palsy means

it

sounds no good). I am happy that Yessenia is OK.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

-----Mensaje original-----

De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:11 p.m.

Para: tassfamily ; parenting_autism ;

new02moms

Asunto: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to

recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting

worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other

than that he is doing fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never

stops

moving! lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of

squash and a bowl of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra

weight and for her to be content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head

circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she is 95% for length and 20% for

weight

and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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Now I now my niece’s boyfriend had that and it was cost by stress. He is

a very nice guy but has a lot of problems financially and in his family.

If you thinking about stress, Jeff probably has lot of it.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

-----Mensaje original-----

De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:25 p.m.

Para: parenting_autism

Asunto: Re: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's

recheck

bells palsy is where one side of the face is paralyzed. most times it is

not permanent. it should go away in about 6 months. :)

jacquie h

RE: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's

recheck

I am sorry about Jeff (even though I don't know what bell palsy means

it

sounds no good). I am happy that Yessenia is OK.

Cecilia, from Peru (mom to Dessiree 3½ yo, no dx yet some autistic

traits)

Lovely husband

-----Mensaje original-----

De: Jacquie

Enviado el: Jueves, 09 de Enero de 2003 10:11 p.m.

Para: tassfamily ; parenting_autism ;

new02moms

Asunto: Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to

recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting

worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other

than that he is doing fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never

stops

moving! lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of

squash and a bowl of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra

weight and for her to be content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head

circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she is 95% for length and 20% for

weight

and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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> still getting worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone

> ever try it? Other than that he is doing fine.

I'm sorry to hear he's getting worse. :( How miserable!

I have used acupuncture for my dog. Does that count? LOL Actually it

worked very well for her, and I wish we could afford to continue it. But

silly things like groceries keep getting int he way. ;P We tried to use it

for Mikey's insomnia but he wouldn't have it.

> Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert

> and responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she

That must be WONDERFUL to hear.

> 95% for length and 20% for weight and 45% for head circ. :)

That's a big improvement!

I don't remember how much she weighed at birth but she must be getting close

to doubling it? had more than tripled his birth weight at 6 months

and Gabe was nearly there, but you know that story, they are big boys.

Heck, some of 's shirts are 7s!! He's THREE for pete's sake!!! Gabe

seems so tiny in comparison but really he is I think 75th% so I know he is

not really such a little guy. There was a little girl at the waiting room

of OT yesterday who had just turned 2 and she was SO TINY...and absolutely

adorable!

Maybe I will have a petite little girl next. As long as she's a HAPPY

petite little girl who does not CRY all the time!!!

~~~~~~~happy healthy baby vibes to me! ;)~~~~~~~~~~

-Sara.

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Jeff is still getting worse and he is going to try accupuncture.

Anyone ever try it? Other than that he is doing fine.

Jacquie~

I was at the doctor yesterday also, for

this pain ive been having in my upper right arm

(had it ever since i had a depro shot right

after rachelle was born, 2years ago in april)

they told me i have carpal tunnel in both hands,

but the upper arm problem, they said its " neopathy

pain " (sp?)...somehow when i got the shot, it was like

a trama to my arm, and now the brain thinks there is something

wrong....hmmm, don't really understand it, all i know it

hurts like hell, all day long...ANYWAYS...they told me i

should try accupuncture also....so i go for the first time

on jan 20....so let me know how jeff's goes, and i'll tell

you about how mine goes...im kind of nervous about it..yuk,,

but if it helps, im all for it...lol They also gave me

Neurontin, a med for chronic pain relieve, its also used

as a seizure control....hmmmm, i've never had a seizure.

when does jeff go for his first visit??

nancy :)

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Jeff is still getting worse and he is going to try accupuncture.

Anyone ever try it? Other than that he is doing fine.

Jacquie~

I was at the doctor yesterday also, for

this pain ive been having in my upper right arm

(had it ever since i had a depro shot right

after rachelle was born, 2years ago in april)

they told me i have carpal tunnel in both hands,

but the upper arm problem, they said its " neopathy

pain " (sp?)...somehow when i got the shot, it was like

a trama to my arm, and now the brain thinks there is something

wrong....hmmm, don't really understand it, all i know it

hurts like hell, all day long...ANYWAYS...they told me i

should try accupuncture also....so i go for the first time

on jan 20....so let me know how jeff's goes, and i'll tell

you about how mine goes...im kind of nervous about it..yuk,,

but if it helps, im all for it...lol They also gave me

Neurontin, a med for chronic pain relieve, its also used

as a seizure control....hmmmm, i've never had a seizure.

when does jeff go for his first visit??

nancy :)

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Wow, she is getting so big. It's amazing how fast it goes. She's a peanut

weight wise, probably all that energy she has.

Adeline was also to the doctor yesterday. I wanted to jump for joy. She gained a

pound 11lb 6oz at 13 week and 22 inches long. Yea Adeline, I though she was

never going to gain.

I'm glad everything went well.

Love

.

Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting worse and

he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other than that he is doing

fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never stops moving!

lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of squash and a bowl

of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra weight and for her to be

content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she

is 95% for length and 20% for weight and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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Wow, she is getting so big. It's amazing how fast it goes. She's a peanut

weight wise, probably all that energy she has.

Adeline was also to the doctor yesterday. I wanted to jump for joy. She gained a

pound 11lb 6oz at 13 week and 22 inches long. Yea Adeline, I though she was

never going to gain.

I'm glad everything went well.

Love

.

Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting worse and

he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other than that he is doing

fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never stops moving!

lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of squash and a bowl

of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra weight and for her to be

content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she

is 95% for length and 20% for weight and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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Wow, she is getting so big. It's amazing how fast it goes. She's a peanut

weight wise, probably all that energy she has.

Adeline was also to the doctor yesterday. I wanted to jump for joy. She gained a

pound 11lb 6oz at 13 week and 22 inches long. Yea Adeline, I though she was

never going to gain.

I'm glad everything went well.

Love

.

Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting worse and

he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other than that he is doing

fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never stops moving!

lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of squash and a bowl

of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra weight and for her to be

content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she

is 95% for length and 20% for weight and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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> Message: 14 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:11:21 -0800 From: " Jacquie "

> Subject: Yessenia's 6 month checkup

> & Jeff's recheck

>

> We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to

> recheck Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is

> still getting worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone

> ever try it?

I use acupuncture to control my winter allergy. I am very allergic to a

tree that pollinates down here in Texas in the winter time. It makes

me so sick that I want to cut my head off. Acupuncture has worked

miraculously for me on that one. I had considered using it for years

but never did until last year. This is the second winter it's working

so well for me. I'm so relieved! My husband is at the acupuncturist

today as a matter of fact for treatment for a abdominal muscle tear

that's been nagging him for months. Today is his second treatment and

if it doesn't work for him within a month or two he is going to try

steroid treatment and then probably surgery. :( He is desperate because

it interferes with his ability to play Ultimate, and you know we can't

have that. ;-)

I've heard that Acupuncture is especially effective on things like Bells

Palsy. I hope that turns out to be true for Jeff. The needles are so

tiny that you can barely feel them and after they are in you don't feel

them at all. If the needle gets too close to a nerve, sometimes you can

feel it prick you on entering, but it's more like the sting of a

mosquito bite then what you might imagine for a needle poke.

Glad to hear your little stinker Yessenia is doing well!

Take care,~ Karin

p.s. let me know how it works (or doesn't work) for Jeff, I'm curious

to hear the results.

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> Message: 14 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:11:21 -0800 From: " Jacquie "

> Subject: Yessenia's 6 month checkup

> & Jeff's recheck

>

> We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to

> recheck Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is

> still getting worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone

> ever try it?

I use acupuncture to control my winter allergy. I am very allergic to a

tree that pollinates down here in Texas in the winter time. It makes

me so sick that I want to cut my head off. Acupuncture has worked

miraculously for me on that one. I had considered using it for years

but never did until last year. This is the second winter it's working

so well for me. I'm so relieved! My husband is at the acupuncturist

today as a matter of fact for treatment for a abdominal muscle tear

that's been nagging him for months. Today is his second treatment and

if it doesn't work for him within a month or two he is going to try

steroid treatment and then probably surgery. :( He is desperate because

it interferes with his ability to play Ultimate, and you know we can't

have that. ;-)

I've heard that Acupuncture is especially effective on things like Bells

Palsy. I hope that turns out to be true for Jeff. The needles are so

tiny that you can barely feel them and after they are in you don't feel

them at all. If the needle gets too close to a nerve, sometimes you can

feel it prick you on entering, but it's more like the sting of a

mosquito bite then what you might imagine for a needle poke.

Glad to hear your little stinker Yessenia is doing well!

Take care,~ Karin

p.s. let me know how it works (or doesn't work) for Jeff, I'm curious

to hear the results.

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> Message: 14 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:11:21 -0800 From: " Jacquie "

> Subject: Yessenia's 6 month checkup

> & Jeff's recheck

>

> We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to

> recheck Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is

> still getting worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone

> ever try it?

I use acupuncture to control my winter allergy. I am very allergic to a

tree that pollinates down here in Texas in the winter time. It makes

me so sick that I want to cut my head off. Acupuncture has worked

miraculously for me on that one. I had considered using it for years

but never did until last year. This is the second winter it's working

so well for me. I'm so relieved! My husband is at the acupuncturist

today as a matter of fact for treatment for a abdominal muscle tear

that's been nagging him for months. Today is his second treatment and

if it doesn't work for him within a month or two he is going to try

steroid treatment and then probably surgery. :( He is desperate because

it interferes with his ability to play Ultimate, and you know we can't

have that. ;-)

I've heard that Acupuncture is especially effective on things like Bells

Palsy. I hope that turns out to be true for Jeff. The needles are so

tiny that you can barely feel them and after they are in you don't feel

them at all. If the needle gets too close to a nerve, sometimes you can

feel it prick you on entering, but it's more like the sting of a

mosquito bite then what you might imagine for a needle poke.

Glad to hear your little stinker Yessenia is doing well!

Take care,~ Karin

p.s. let me know how it works (or doesn't work) for Jeff, I'm curious

to hear the results.

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I used acupuncture for relief of pain of fibromyalgia. It really did

help my back pain but not on anything else. I also couldn't afford

to keep going. Hope that helps.

from Kansas, Zach, 2, possible AS, Alyx, 12, mood disorders.

> > still getting worse and he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone

> > ever try it? Other than that he is doing fine.

>

> I'm sorry to hear he's getting worse. :( How miserable!

>

> I have used acupuncture for my dog. Does that count? LOL

Actually it

> worked very well for her, and I wish we could afford to continue

it. But

> silly things like groceries keep getting int he way. ;P We tried

to use it

> for Mikey's insomnia but he wouldn't have it.

>

> > Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert

> > and responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she

>

> That must be WONDERFUL to hear.

>

> > 95% for length and 20% for weight and 45% for head circ. :)

>

> That's a big improvement!

>

> I don't remember how much she weighed at birth but she must be

getting close

> to doubling it? had more than tripled his birth weight at

6 months

> and Gabe was nearly there, but you know that story, they are big

boys.

> Heck, some of 's shirts are 7s!! He's THREE for pete's

sake!!! Gabe

> seems so tiny in comparison but really he is I think 75th% so I

know he is

> not really such a little guy. There was a little girl at the

waiting room

> of OT yesterday who had just turned 2 and she was SO TINY...and

absolutely

> adorable!

>

> Maybe I will have a petite little girl next. As long as she's a

HAPPY

> petite little girl who does not CRY all the time!!!

>

> ~~~~~~~happy healthy baby vibes to me! ;)~~~~~~~~~~

>

> -Sara.

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Yes! But it turns out she probably weighs a little less than that as their scale

is off by 4-5 oz. Oh well. Adeline is starting to fill out too. She must look

more plump than Yessenia because Yessenia is so LONG! lol They are getting so

big. Time just flies by. :)

Jacquie H

Yessenia's 6 month checkup & Jeff's recheck

We went to the dr today for Yessenia's 6 month wellbaby. Also to recheck

Jeff's bells palsy. We all go to the same dr. :) Jeff is still getting worse and

he is going to try accupuncture. Anyone ever try it? Other than that he is doing

fine.

Yessenia is also doing well. Every nurse tells me she is so alert and

responsive! Very advanced for her age in this area. And she never stops moving!

lol She is 14 lbs even. (Although I had just fed her a jar of squash and a bowl

of cereal and brestfed her. wanted all the extra weight and for her to be

content. lol) and 27.5 inches long. Her head circumfrence is 16.5 inches. So she

is 95% for length and 20% for weight and 45% for head circ. :)

Jacquie

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Thanks. I am glad yessenia is doing well too. She has me watching her like a

hawk! And boy does she have a temper. :P

Jacquie H

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Sorry for Jeff, but glad to hear the baby's well!

Sue

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Thanks. I am glad yessenia is doing well too. She has me watching her like a

hawk! And boy does she have a temper. :P

Jacquie H

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Sorry for Jeff, but glad to hear the baby's well!

Sue

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Thanks. I am glad yessenia is doing well too. She has me watching her like a

hawk! And boy does she have a temper. :P

Jacquie H

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Sorry for Jeff, but glad to hear the baby's well!

Sue

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Yes. She is doing well. If only she would settle down! Poor jeff. He will live

but he is very unhappy.

Jacquie H

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Yessenia sounds great, but poor Jeff!

Sissi

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