Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 > My head is still reeling with the thought that I could have been > misdiagnosed for eight years, had a liver transplant, and then learn > a new label for my problems. I'd think of it as a new understanding for the cause of your problems. No matter whether you call it CF or PSC your symptoms required a liver transplant. I'm not up to date on CF, but I don't think there's been any breakthrough treatment that could have prevented your liver failure. Steve Freedman and others have found that some CF variants are elevated in PSC patients. CF is recessive- there are a lot more carriers with a single mutation than there are CF patients, who have two mutations. There are also a lot of reduced function mutations, that leave the CFTR channel working, but not well (in genetic terms, a hypomorphic allele). There's evidence that the CFTR mutations protected against typhoid fever (Pier GB, Grout M, Zaidi T, Meluleni G, Mueschenborn SS, Banting G, Ratcliff R, MJ, Colledge WH. Salmonella typhi uses CFTR to enter intestinal epithelial cells. Nature. 1998 May 7;393(6680):79-82). This would be similar to the beneficial effect of a single sickle-cell gene in protecting from Malaria. CFTR knockout mice, experimentally induced to develop colitis, also develop PSC. This is the basis for his ongoing clinical trial for DHA (a fish oil omega 3 fatty acid) in treating PSC. The PSC improved a lot in the mice treated with DHA. Here are some refs- I'm sure will give you more Martha (MA) Am J Physiol Gastrointest Liver Physiol. 2004 Aug;287(2):G491-6. Epub 2004 Apr 2. Induction of colitis in cftr-/- mice results in bile duct injury. Blanco PG, Zaman MM, Junaidi O, Sheth S, Yantiss RK, Nasser IA, Freedman SD. Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, 330 Brookline Ave., Dana 501, Boston, MA 02215, USA. It is unknown why some patients with inflammatory bowel disease develop primary sclerosing cholangitis. We have recently shown that patients with primary sclerosing cholangitis have an increased prevalence of mutations in the gene responsible for cystic fibrosis (CFTR) compared with individuals with inflammatory bowel disease alone. Our aim was to examine whether induction of colitis by oral dextran leads to bile duct injury in mice heterozygous or homozygous for mutations in CFTR. The effect of oral administration of docosahexaenoic acid to correct a fatty acid imbalance associated with cystic fibrosis was also examined to determine whether this would prevent bile duct inflammation. Wild-type mice and mice heterozygous and homozygous for CFTR mutations were given dextran orally for 14 days to induce colitis. Bile duct injury was quantitated by blinded histological scoring and measurement of serum alkaline phosphatase activity. The effect of pretreatment with docosahexaenoic acid for 7 days was examined. Treatment of mice with 100 mg dextran/day for 9 days followed by 85 mg/day for 5 days resulted in a significant increase in bile duct injury as determined by histological scoring in homozygous cystic fibrosis mice compared with wild-type mice (P = 0.005). The bile duct injury seen in cystic fibrosis mice was reflected in a threefold increase in serum alkaline phosphatase (P = 0.0006). Pretreatment with oral docosahexaenoic acid decreased both histological evidence of bile duct injury and serum alkaline phosphatase levels. In the setting of colitis, loss of CFTR function leads to bile duct injury. Hum Genet. 2003 Aug;113(3):286-92. Epub 2003 Jun 3. Increased prevalence of CFTR mutations and variants and decreased chloride secretion in primary sclerosing cholangitis. Sheth S, Shea JC, Bishop MD, Chopra S, Regan MM, Malmberg E, C, Ricci R, Tsui LC, Durie PR, Zielenski J, Freedman SD. Department of Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center/Harvard Medical School, Dana 532, 330 Brookline Avenue, Boston, MA 02215, USA. Primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC) and cystic fibrosis (CF) are both slowly progressive cholestatic liver diseases characterized by fibro-obliterative inflammation of the biliary tract. We hypothesized that dysfunction of the CF gene product, cystic fibrosis transmembrane conductance regulator (CFTR), may explain why a subset of patients with inflammatory bowel disease develop PSC. We prospectively evaluated CFTR genotype and phenotype in patients with PSC ( n=19) compared with patients with inflammatory bowel disease and no liver disease ( n=18), primary biliary cirrhosis ( n=17), CF ( n=81), and healthy controls ( n=51). Genetic analysis of the CFTR gene in PSC patients compared with disease controls (primary biliary cirrhosis and inflammatory bowel disease) demonstrated a significantly increased number of mutations/variants in the PSC group (37% vs 8.6% of disease controls, P=0.02). None of the PSC patients carried two mutations/variants. Of PSC patients, 89% carried the 1540G-variant-containing genotypes (resulting in decreased functional CFTR) compared with 57% of disease controls ( P=0.03). Only one of 19 PSC patients had neither a CFTR mutation nor the 1540G variant. CFTR chloride channel function assessed by nasal potential difference testing demonstrated a reduced median isoproterenol response of 14 mV in PSC patients compared with 19 mV in disease controls ( P=0.04) and 21 mV in healthy controls ( P=0.003). These data indicate that there is an increased prevalence of CFTR abnormalities in PSC as demonstrated by molecular and functional analyses and that these abnormalities may contribute to the development of PSC in a subset of patients with inflammatory bowel disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 > My head is still reeling with the thought that I could have been > misdiagnosed for eight years, had a liver transplant, and then learn > a new label for my problems. I'd think of it as a new understanding for the cause of your problems. No matter whether you call it CF or PSC your symptoms required a liver transplant. I'm not up to date on CF, but I don't think there's been any breakthrough treatment that could have prevented your liver failure. Steve Freedman and others have found that some CF variants are elevated in PSC patients. CF is recessive- there are a lot more carriers with a single mutation than there are CF patients, who have two mutations. There are also a lot of reduced function mutations, that leave the CFTR channel working, but not well (in genetic terms, a hypomorphic allele). There's evidence that the CFTR mutations protected against typhoid fever (Pier GB, Grout M, Zaidi T, Meluleni G, Mueschenborn SS, Banting G, Ratcliff R, MJ, Colledge WH. Salmonella typhi uses CFTR to enter intestinal epithelial cells. Nature. 1998 May 7;393(6680):79-82). This would be similar to the beneficial effect of a single sickle-cell gene in protecting from Malaria. CFTR knockout mice, experimentally induced to develop colitis, also develop PSC. This is the basis for his ongoing clinical trial for DHA (a fish oil omega 3 fatty acid) in treating PSC. The PSC improved a lot in the mice treated with DHA. Here are some refs- I'm sure will give you more Martha (MA) Am J Physiol Gastrointest Liver Physiol. 2004 Aug;287(2):G491-6. Epub 2004 Apr 2. Induction of colitis in cftr-/- mice results in bile duct injury. Blanco PG, Zaman MM, Junaidi O, Sheth S, Yantiss RK, Nasser IA, Freedman SD. Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, 330 Brookline Ave., Dana 501, Boston, MA 02215, USA. It is unknown why some patients with inflammatory bowel disease develop primary sclerosing cholangitis. We have recently shown that patients with primary sclerosing cholangitis have an increased prevalence of mutations in the gene responsible for cystic fibrosis (CFTR) compared with individuals with inflammatory bowel disease alone. Our aim was to examine whether induction of colitis by oral dextran leads to bile duct injury in mice heterozygous or homozygous for mutations in CFTR. The effect of oral administration of docosahexaenoic acid to correct a fatty acid imbalance associated with cystic fibrosis was also examined to determine whether this would prevent bile duct inflammation. Wild-type mice and mice heterozygous and homozygous for CFTR mutations were given dextran orally for 14 days to induce colitis. Bile duct injury was quantitated by blinded histological scoring and measurement of serum alkaline phosphatase activity. The effect of pretreatment with docosahexaenoic acid for 7 days was examined. Treatment of mice with 100 mg dextran/day for 9 days followed by 85 mg/day for 5 days resulted in a significant increase in bile duct injury as determined by histological scoring in homozygous cystic fibrosis mice compared with wild-type mice (P = 0.005). The bile duct injury seen in cystic fibrosis mice was reflected in a threefold increase in serum alkaline phosphatase (P = 0.0006). Pretreatment with oral docosahexaenoic acid decreased both histological evidence of bile duct injury and serum alkaline phosphatase levels. In the setting of colitis, loss of CFTR function leads to bile duct injury. Hum Genet. 2003 Aug;113(3):286-92. Epub 2003 Jun 3. Increased prevalence of CFTR mutations and variants and decreased chloride secretion in primary sclerosing cholangitis. Sheth S, Shea JC, Bishop MD, Chopra S, Regan MM, Malmberg E, C, Ricci R, Tsui LC, Durie PR, Zielenski J, Freedman SD. Department of Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center/Harvard Medical School, Dana 532, 330 Brookline Avenue, Boston, MA 02215, USA. Primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC) and cystic fibrosis (CF) are both slowly progressive cholestatic liver diseases characterized by fibro-obliterative inflammation of the biliary tract. We hypothesized that dysfunction of the CF gene product, cystic fibrosis transmembrane conductance regulator (CFTR), may explain why a subset of patients with inflammatory bowel disease develop PSC. We prospectively evaluated CFTR genotype and phenotype in patients with PSC ( n=19) compared with patients with inflammatory bowel disease and no liver disease ( n=18), primary biliary cirrhosis ( n=17), CF ( n=81), and healthy controls ( n=51). Genetic analysis of the CFTR gene in PSC patients compared with disease controls (primary biliary cirrhosis and inflammatory bowel disease) demonstrated a significantly increased number of mutations/variants in the PSC group (37% vs 8.6% of disease controls, P=0.02). None of the PSC patients carried two mutations/variants. Of PSC patients, 89% carried the 1540G-variant-containing genotypes (resulting in decreased functional CFTR) compared with 57% of disease controls ( P=0.03). Only one of 19 PSC patients had neither a CFTR mutation nor the 1540G variant. CFTR chloride channel function assessed by nasal potential difference testing demonstrated a reduced median isoproterenol response of 14 mV in PSC patients compared with 19 mV in disease controls ( P=0.04) and 21 mV in healthy controls ( P=0.003). These data indicate that there is an increased prevalence of CFTR abnormalities in PSC as demonstrated by molecular and functional analyses and that these abnormalities may contribute to the development of PSC in a subset of patients with inflammatory bowel disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Martha I'd think of it as a new understanding for the cause of your problems. No matter whether you call it CF or PSC your symptoms required a liver transplant. I'm not up to date on CF, but I don't think there's been any breakthrough treatment that could have prevented your liver failure. Great studies Martha! From the few minutes I’ve been reading about PSC & CF it looks like “treatment” is the same for either – good ole URSO and transplant. One thing that is interesting to me was that so many CF patients have normal LFT’s, which certainly isn’t true for PSC. On the other hand, my interest was peaked by the “massive spleen”, as that is certainly true for Ken. I’m so happy there are so many of us to read and sort through these reports – this kind of information just doesn’t drop into our individual laps (or laptops as may be the case!), without this group and in this case Deb, we would have never known about this. I missed ’s original posts about CF studies. Deb, I was following your surgery via Caringbridge – can’t imagine that packing…..you’re one strong lady to go through that and at first chance type here with news. Barb in Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Martha I'd think of it as a new understanding for the cause of your problems. No matter whether you call it CF or PSC your symptoms required a liver transplant. I'm not up to date on CF, but I don't think there's been any breakthrough treatment that could have prevented your liver failure. Great studies Martha! From the few minutes I’ve been reading about PSC & CF it looks like “treatment” is the same for either – good ole URSO and transplant. One thing that is interesting to me was that so many CF patients have normal LFT’s, which certainly isn’t true for PSC. On the other hand, my interest was peaked by the “massive spleen”, as that is certainly true for Ken. I’m so happy there are so many of us to read and sort through these reports – this kind of information just doesn’t drop into our individual laps (or laptops as may be the case!), without this group and in this case Deb, we would have never known about this. I missed ’s original posts about CF studies. Deb, I was following your surgery via Caringbridge – can’t imagine that packing…..you’re one strong lady to go through that and at first chance type here with news. Barb in Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Martha I'd think of it as a new understanding for the cause of your problems. No matter whether you call it CF or PSC your symptoms required a liver transplant. I'm not up to date on CF, but I don't think there's been any breakthrough treatment that could have prevented your liver failure. Great studies Martha! From the few minutes I’ve been reading about PSC & CF it looks like “treatment” is the same for either – good ole URSO and transplant. One thing that is interesting to me was that so many CF patients have normal LFT’s, which certainly isn’t true for PSC. On the other hand, my interest was peaked by the “massive spleen”, as that is certainly true for Ken. I’m so happy there are so many of us to read and sort through these reports – this kind of information just doesn’t drop into our individual laps (or laptops as may be the case!), without this group and in this case Deb, we would have never known about this. I missed ’s original posts about CF studies. Deb, I was following your surgery via Caringbridge – can’t imagine that packing…..you’re one strong lady to go through that and at first chance type here with news. Barb in Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 From the few minutes I've been reading about PSC > & CF it looks like " treatment " is the same for either - good ole URSO > and transplant. One thing that is interesting to me was that so many > CF patients have normal LFT's, which certainly isn't true for PSC. Do CF patients develop UC as well, or just PSC? CF disease is one of the most common genetic disorders in those of European descent. Genetically, I believe PSC turns up more irregularly than a simple recessive disorder, suggesting multiple genes that influence its development-please correct me if I'm wrong. There are other genes that are linked to PSC. posted several candidates a week or two ago. In the CFTR knockout mice, which totally lack CFTR, the mice only develop UC and PSC if challenged with dextran sulfate sodium. Similarly, having a hypomorphic CFRT variant may be only one condition that influences whether PSC develops. Why this form of dextran causes colitis in the first place is an interesting question. Various forms of dextran exist, and some of them are food additives. Any thoughts on this? Martha (MA) 43, UC 1979, PSC 1992 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 From the few minutes I've been reading about PSC > & CF it looks like " treatment " is the same for either - good ole URSO > and transplant. One thing that is interesting to me was that so many > CF patients have normal LFT's, which certainly isn't true for PSC. Do CF patients develop UC as well, or just PSC? CF disease is one of the most common genetic disorders in those of European descent. Genetically, I believe PSC turns up more irregularly than a simple recessive disorder, suggesting multiple genes that influence its development-please correct me if I'm wrong. There are other genes that are linked to PSC. posted several candidates a week or two ago. In the CFTR knockout mice, which totally lack CFTR, the mice only develop UC and PSC if challenged with dextran sulfate sodium. Similarly, having a hypomorphic CFRT variant may be only one condition that influences whether PSC develops. Why this form of dextran causes colitis in the first place is an interesting question. Various forms of dextran exist, and some of them are food additives. Any thoughts on this? Martha (MA) 43, UC 1979, PSC 1992 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 From the few minutes I've been reading about PSC > & CF it looks like " treatment " is the same for either - good ole URSO > and transplant. One thing that is interesting to me was that so many > CF patients have normal LFT's, which certainly isn't true for PSC. Do CF patients develop UC as well, or just PSC? CF disease is one of the most common genetic disorders in those of European descent. Genetically, I believe PSC turns up more irregularly than a simple recessive disorder, suggesting multiple genes that influence its development-please correct me if I'm wrong. There are other genes that are linked to PSC. posted several candidates a week or two ago. In the CFTR knockout mice, which totally lack CFTR, the mice only develop UC and PSC if challenged with dextran sulfate sodium. Similarly, having a hypomorphic CFRT variant may be only one condition that influences whether PSC develops. Why this form of dextran causes colitis in the first place is an interesting question. Various forms of dextran exist, and some of them are food additives. Any thoughts on this? Martha (MA) 43, UC 1979, PSC 1992 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Or a combination of genes and environment (esp. disease organisms). Arne 55 - UC 1977, PSC 2000 Alive and (mostly) well in Minnesota -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Martha ....Genetically, I believe PSC turns up more irregularly than a simple recessive disorder, suggesting multiple genes that influence its development... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Or a combination of genes and environment (esp. disease organisms). Arne 55 - UC 1977, PSC 2000 Alive and (mostly) well in Minnesota -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Martha ....Genetically, I believe PSC turns up more irregularly than a simple recessive disorder, suggesting multiple genes that influence its development... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Or a combination of genes and environment (esp. disease organisms). Arne 55 - UC 1977, PSC 2000 Alive and (mostly) well in Minnesota -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Martha ....Genetically, I believe PSC turns up more irregularly than a simple recessive disorder, suggesting multiple genes that influence its development... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Hi Debs thanks for your interesting post. PSC seems to have more twist and turns than a 'thriller movie' I hope you don't mind that I have copied and pasted your post to our little Australian/New Zealand PSC discussion board. Thanks from from the bottom of the world in New Zealand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Hi Debs thanks for your interesting post. PSC seems to have more twist and turns than a 'thriller movie' I hope you don't mind that I have copied and pasted your post to our little Australian/New Zealand PSC discussion board. Thanks from from the bottom of the world in New Zealand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Do CF patients develop UC as well, or just PSC? Martha, You're way over my head with the rest of this, but I do know that CF patients can have IBD, too, and other intestinal problems from thick mucosa... Thanks for your responses! Deb in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Do CF patients develop UC as well, or just PSC? Martha, You're way over my head with the rest of this, but I do know that CF patients can have IBD, too, and other intestinal problems from thick mucosa... Thanks for your responses! Deb in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Deb; This is fascinating! I had a private e-mail from someone (sorry I can't reveal their name) to say that he had PSC but had also recently been screened for cystic fibrosis (CFTR) gene mutations, and they found that he had 2 different mutant alleles (presumably one inherited from his mother and one from his father). This paper is probably the most recent linking PSC to cystic fibrosis: Sinha J, Morotti RA, Norton KI, Gold D, Shneider BL 2006 Cystic fibrosis in an adolescent being evaluated for primary sclerosing cholangitis. Semin. Liver Dis. 26: 80-84. If this hypothesis is correct, it would certainly begin to explain your sinusitis: Wang X, Moylan B, Leopold DA, Kim J, stein RC, Togias A, Proud D, Zeitlin PL, Cutting GR 2000 Mutation in the gene responsible for cystic fibrosis and predisposition to chronic rhinosinusitis in the general population. JAMA 284: 1814-1819. The good news is that researchers are getting close to being able to correct CFTR mutations with gene therapy. Please keep us posted on the results. Best regards, Dave (father of (20); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) > I was just curious if anyone else in the group had been tested for > CF along the way??? Does anyone know anyone with a variant form of > the disease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Dave,I am also following this with interest.Bill has always had sinus/excessive mucous problems. Long before any intestinal / liver problems arose.My younger son suffered form bad sinus infections as a toddler.With both of them I have attributed this to the bad allergy genes that come down to them from both sides.Could Bill's additional sinus problems be related to his digestive problems?Lee Dear Deb; This is fascinating! I had a private e-mail from someone (sorry I can't reveal their name) to say that he had PSC but had also recently been screened for cystic fibrosis (CFTR) gene mutations, and they found that he had 2 different mutant alleles (presumably one inherited from his mother and one from his father). This paper is probably the most recent linking PSC to cystic fibrosis: Sinha J, Morotti RA, Norton KI, Gold D, Shneider BL 2006 Cystic fibrosis in an adolescent being evaluated for primary sclerosing cholangitis. Semin. Liver Dis. 26: 80-84. If this hypothesis is correct, it would certainly begin to explain your sinusitis: Wang X, Moylan B, Leopold DA, Kim J, stein RC, Togias A, Proud D, Zeitlin PL, Cutting GR 2000 Mutation in the gene responsible for cystic fibrosis and predisposition to chronic rhinosinusitis in the general population. JAMA 284: 1814-1819. The good news is that researchers are getting close to being able to correct CFTR mutations with gene therapy. Please keep us posted on the results. Best regards, Dave (father of (20); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) > I was just curious if anyone else in the group had been tested for > CF along the way??? Does anyone know anyone with a variant form of > the disease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear Dave,I am also following this with interest.Bill has always had sinus/excessive mucous problems. Long before any intestinal / liver problems arose.My younger son suffered form bad sinus infections as a toddler.With both of them I have attributed this to the bad allergy genes that come down to them from both sides.Could Bill's additional sinus problems be related to his digestive problems?Lee Dear Deb; This is fascinating! I had a private e-mail from someone (sorry I can't reveal their name) to say that he had PSC but had also recently been screened for cystic fibrosis (CFTR) gene mutations, and they found that he had 2 different mutant alleles (presumably one inherited from his mother and one from his father). This paper is probably the most recent linking PSC to cystic fibrosis: Sinha J, Morotti RA, Norton KI, Gold D, Shneider BL 2006 Cystic fibrosis in an adolescent being evaluated for primary sclerosing cholangitis. Semin. Liver Dis. 26: 80-84. If this hypothesis is correct, it would certainly begin to explain your sinusitis: Wang X, Moylan B, Leopold DA, Kim J, stein RC, Togias A, Proud D, Zeitlin PL, Cutting GR 2000 Mutation in the gene responsible for cystic fibrosis and predisposition to chronic rhinosinusitis in the general population. JAMA 284: 1814-1819. The good news is that researchers are getting close to being able to correct CFTR mutations with gene therapy. Please keep us posted on the results. Best regards, Dave (father of (20); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) > I was just curious if anyone else in the group had been tested for > CF along the way??? Does anyone know anyone with a variant form of > the disease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Dear , Thanks for pulling those CF references for me, and for letting me know I'm not alone in this. I'm still on the fence about how I feel about it, but I realize that there are more therapies available to me if I am diagnosed with CF -even if gene therapy doesn't come along quickly...So, whatever will be will be - as usual. :-) I'll be sure to let everyone know my results- 4 1/2 weeks and counting... Best Wishes, Deb in VA > The good news is that researchers are getting close to being able to > correct CFTR mutations with gene therapy. > > Please keep us posted on the results. > > Best regards, > > Dave > (father of (20); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 All this talk about CF and PSC has me interested, because back in '92 when I was first diagnosed, I participated in a study to see if the two were related. They had me take brushings from the inside of my cheeks to do genetic analysis on. Now I'm wondering what they found, both in the overall study, and in my specific genes. I never heard anything back about it, and of course that was back when it wasn't nearly as easy to follow these things. We couldn't just get on the internet and read the articles about the studies. I'll have to see if I can find any info now... athan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 All this talk about CF and PSC has me interested, because back in '92 when I was first diagnosed, I participated in a study to see if the two were related. They had me take brushings from the inside of my cheeks to do genetic analysis on. Now I'm wondering what they found, both in the overall study, and in my specific genes. I never heard anything back about it, and of course that was back when it wasn't nearly as easy to follow these things. We couldn't just get on the internet and read the articles about the studies. I'll have to see if I can find any info now... athan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 All this talk about CF and PSC has me interested, because back in '92 when I was first diagnosed, I participated in a study to see if the two were related. They had me take brushings from the inside of my cheeks to do genetic analysis on. Now I'm wondering what they found, both in the overall study, and in my specific genes. I never heard anything back about it, and of course that was back when it wasn't nearly as easy to follow these things. We couldn't just get on the internet and read the articles about the studies. I'll have to see if I can find any info now... athan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Here's my 2 cents worth. After your transplant you should have had pathology slides taken of your old liver. The pathologist should be able to review these slides for the " onion skin " findings of PSC to see if you have one diagnosis or two. Please don't leave our group if there are no onion skins. You have heart and lively comments! For your interest, I've copied a short section of Up to Date (an online medical text book) which you should find interesting. It is the chapter on clinical manifestations of CF , subheading Biliary disease. Biliary disease — Focal biliary cirrhosis caused by inspissated bile produces symptomatic portal hypertension in 2 to 5 percent of patients with CF [24]. Asymptomatic liver disease is a common finding at autopsy; antemortem elevations of serum alkaline phosphatase and lobular hepatomegaly may be found incidentally. Cholelithiasis has been reported in up to 12 percent of patients, and may result from excessive loss of bile acids in the stool with consequent production of lithogenic bile [25]. Asymptomatic cholelithiasis generally does not require treatment, although prophylactic cholecystectomy is performed in such patients prior to lung transplantation in some centers. Several observational studies have suggested that administration of ursodeoxycholic acid may arrest the progression of liver disease related to CF, but an unequivocal effect of this therapy has not been confirmed in randomized trials [26,27]. (See " Overview of gastrointestinal disease in children with cystic fibrosis " ). > > Hi all - > I've started to write this email several times, but then I felt > silly doing it. I don't really have any answers, but I find my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Here's my 2 cents worth. After your transplant you should have had pathology slides taken of your old liver. The pathologist should be able to review these slides for the " onion skin " findings of PSC to see if you have one diagnosis or two. Please don't leave our group if there are no onion skins. You have heart and lively comments! For your interest, I've copied a short section of Up to Date (an online medical text book) which you should find interesting. It is the chapter on clinical manifestations of CF , subheading Biliary disease. Biliary disease — Focal biliary cirrhosis caused by inspissated bile produces symptomatic portal hypertension in 2 to 5 percent of patients with CF [24]. Asymptomatic liver disease is a common finding at autopsy; antemortem elevations of serum alkaline phosphatase and lobular hepatomegaly may be found incidentally. Cholelithiasis has been reported in up to 12 percent of patients, and may result from excessive loss of bile acids in the stool with consequent production of lithogenic bile [25]. Asymptomatic cholelithiasis generally does not require treatment, although prophylactic cholecystectomy is performed in such patients prior to lung transplantation in some centers. Several observational studies have suggested that administration of ursodeoxycholic acid may arrest the progression of liver disease related to CF, but an unequivocal effect of this therapy has not been confirmed in randomized trials [26,27]. (See " Overview of gastrointestinal disease in children with cystic fibrosis " ). > > Hi all - > I've started to write this email several times, but then I felt > silly doing it. I don't really have any answers, but I find my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Here's my 2 cents worth. After your transplant you should have had pathology slides taken of your old liver. The pathologist should be able to review these slides for the " onion skin " findings of PSC to see if you have one diagnosis or two. Please don't leave our group if there are no onion skins. You have heart and lively comments! For your interest, I've copied a short section of Up to Date (an online medical text book) which you should find interesting. It is the chapter on clinical manifestations of CF , subheading Biliary disease. Biliary disease — Focal biliary cirrhosis caused by inspissated bile produces symptomatic portal hypertension in 2 to 5 percent of patients with CF [24]. Asymptomatic liver disease is a common finding at autopsy; antemortem elevations of serum alkaline phosphatase and lobular hepatomegaly may be found incidentally. Cholelithiasis has been reported in up to 12 percent of patients, and may result from excessive loss of bile acids in the stool with consequent production of lithogenic bile [25]. Asymptomatic cholelithiasis generally does not require treatment, although prophylactic cholecystectomy is performed in such patients prior to lung transplantation in some centers. Several observational studies have suggested that administration of ursodeoxycholic acid may arrest the progression of liver disease related to CF, but an unequivocal effect of this therapy has not been confirmed in randomized trials [26,27]. (See " Overview of gastrointestinal disease in children with cystic fibrosis " ). > > Hi all - > I've started to write this email several times, but then I felt > silly doing it. I don't really have any answers, but I find my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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