Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

[Guest guest]

Mini meal eating is good for hypos.... it allows our bodies steady and consistent energy levels for good conversion... It also helps to boost metabolism and allows our bodies to use the food as an energy source and not a source for fat.

It is possible for a person to starve themselves fat..... it has to do with how metabolism slows due to irregular eating habits or from insufficient calorie intake... if you don't eat enough the body goes into starvation mode. At that state it's first priority is to turn what you eat into fat, not energy, so the less you eat the more fat your body makes.

It's also possible to damage your thyroid from not eating correctly. If your gland is not healthy to begin with, poor eating habits, specifically not eating until late in the day, further stresses both the thyroid and adrenal glands.... All that is true.

But changing your way of eating and cutting out part of a food group is not going to fix a damaged gland.. that part I don't agree with.

The thing with the juice... read the labels... what you need to avoid is high fructose corn syrup..... Read all your labels.... HFCS, soy, artificial sweeteners... all that stuff is bad.... with our bodies working hard to function in a healthy manner, they don't need to deal with food additives that make it harder for them.....

Meds for life.... okay... this is a point of view thing.... If you delay starting on the replacement hormone... you delay starting taking pills every day.... at what point will delaying the start of taking the pills outweigh the deterioration of body function? With Hashi's you're gonna continue to cycle and the gland is gonna die, how you eat won't change that... how you help your body with replacement hormone will... If I remember right, your numbers are already showing low... you already have symptoms showing that your body knows you are low.... Aren't you already taking pills everyday?

I've had to wrap my brain around this... because of the damage done to my body by stupid, ignorant docs, I have to dose my thyroid six or seven times a day... to feel okay.... to mess around with timing I'm dealing with not being able to sleep deeply at night, if I can even get to sleep, all over body pain, and poor function during the day... slow to move, no ambition, falling asleep.....

So..... if taking replacement hormone allows the body to be able to function, allows you to have a life.... is starting the replacement hormone BEFORE things get worse a bad idea? As someone that has a sixteen compartment daily pill box and multi-doses EVERYTHING and eats between 5 and 7 mini meals a day... I'd rather do all the weird stuff that I do, and have now for a few years... then to be a walking dead person.

Slow the destruction of the gland.... hmmmmm isn't that the same as saying that you get to continue to slide down hill, slower, for a longer period of time, with things steadily getting worse, only slower, so as to be harder to notice what is causing it..... until you end up so miserable and rotten that the doc finally gives in and gives you the replacement?

Isn't that what happened to me... when they underdosed me for a decade after my RAI... calling all my symptoms a bunch of BS that I was dreaming up to cover for sitting on the couch eating bon bons and watching soaps all day.. and when I couldn't walk anymore that was because of the fat that I had put on from my irresponsible behavior? A body builder that took up bon bon eating and gained two hundred pounds......

... that life long, irreparable injury to my foot that had me on crutches.... the one that would never heal and was my fault... that healed in just a few months when I started treating myself with the correct type of replacement hormone.....

So.... my thoughts...

mini meal eating, good

watching what is put into food and avoiding bad ingredients, good

avoiding potatoes and rice... why? They are good food, just balance meals - protein, starch, fat - every meal, starting with breakfast. No piling a mountain of butter or sour cream on the taters!

Holding off on replacement hormone for the sake of not taking pills now? Ummmmm why wait until you wish you were dead before doing something???

There is even a math calculation thingy that you can use to determine how to set up your meals..... Did you know that when you are losing weight that you actually have to increase your calories periodically after your weight loss or you will stop losing? For me, it's 25 calories per day every three to four weeks.

I'll shut up now....

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:21:57 -0000 "storm12256" writes:

Hey Topper, Do you remember the one night we were in IM and we discussed me going on more meal in smaller portions more frequently ? Well I brought it up at the Doc's yesterday and he seemed to think it was a great idea. He told me that I am starving my self fat !! I was shocked never heard of everything so dumb but it made sense. I have gone so long with out eating breakfast or lunch and then eating supper with hubby that he says this is going to take alot of dicipline cause I am not use to eating all day long. He thinks If I do this it will really help my thyroid to the point that it will slow down destruction of the gland. he told me Oatmeal for Breakfast and 2 hours later a piece of fruit and then a salad for lunch2 hours later and then another snack og banana or orange then 2 to 2 1/2 hours later dinner ( NO POTATES OR RICE EXCEPT BROWN) I CAN HAVE A SWEET POTATE OR A YAM . I am not allowed to have bread or potate I think he wants me to stay away from starch. He also said no fruit juice from a bottle or can only natural and nothing with artificial sweetner cause of the bad thing it will do to your brain. He syas he know this wil help my thyroid and maybe I can avoid thyroid meds for a while. He also thinks my depression has a lot to do with my swings of hypo to hyper and vice versa. But as long and it is bearable and not being bothersome the diet will help for now. He says that after about 6 to 8 weeks I will see that the weight will litterally melt away. I was just wondering what you think. Does this sound righ to you. Says he would rather ot put me on meds to soon cause once you start that is your life time of meds and he thinks I deserve better.Do you think he is right or just messing with my head. NO RICE i am going to die !!!!. Your opinion is appreciated Topper or anyone else. Tina

[Guest guest]

It sounds like your doc is one that might understand what he's talking about. It's very common in people trying to lose weight that they will skip meals and it will ruin their bodies because of it and shut down their metabolism because they go into a starvation mode then when they get food they don't want to process it so quickly because your body doesn't know when it will eat again.

Your doc's plan for your diet sounds really good. good luck.

andrea

Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

Hey Topper, Do you remember the one night we were in IM and we discussed me going on more meal in smaller portions more frequently ? Well I brought it up at the Doc's yesterday and he seemed to think it was a great idea. He told me that I am starving my self fat !! I was shocked never heard of everything so dumb but it made sense. I have gone so long with out eating breakfast or lunch and then eating supper with hubby that he says this is going to take alot of dicipline cause I am not use to eating all day long. He thinks If I do this it will really help my thyroid to the point that it will slow down destruction of the gland. he told me Oatmeal for Breakfast and 2 hours later a piece of fruit and then a salad for lunch2 hours later and then another snack og banana or orange then 2 to 2 1/2 hours later dinner ( NO POTATES OR RICE EXCEPT BROWN) I CAN HAVE A SWEET POTATE OR A YAM . I am not allowed to have bread or potate I think he wants me to stay away from starch. He also said no fruit juice from a bottle or can only natural and nothing with artificial sweetner cause of the bad thing it will do to your brain. He syas he know this wil help my thyroid and maybe I can avoid thyroid meds for a while. He also thinks my depression has a lot to do with my swings of hypo to hyper and vice versa. But as long and it is bearable and not being bothersome the diet will help for now. He says that after about 6 to 8 weeks I will see that the weight will litterally melt away. I was just wondering what you think. Does this sound righ to you. Says he would rather ot put me on meds to soon cause once you start that is your life time of meds and he thinks I deserve better.Do you think he is right or just messing with my head. NO RICE i am going to die !!!!. Your opinion is appreciated Topper or anyone else. Tina

[Guest guest]

It sounds like your doc is one that might understand what he's talking about. It's very common in people trying to lose weight that they will skip meals and it will ruin their bodies because of it and shut down their metabolism because they go into a starvation mode then when they get food they don't want to process it so quickly because your body doesn't know when it will eat again.

Your doc's plan for your diet sounds really good. good luck.

andrea

Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

Hey Topper, Do you remember the one night we were in IM and we discussed me going on more meal in smaller portions more frequently ? Well I brought it up at the Doc's yesterday and he seemed to think it was a great idea. He told me that I am starving my self fat !! I was shocked never heard of everything so dumb but it made sense. I have gone so long with out eating breakfast or lunch and then eating supper with hubby that he says this is going to take alot of dicipline cause I am not use to eating all day long. He thinks If I do this it will really help my thyroid to the point that it will slow down destruction of the gland. he told me Oatmeal for Breakfast and 2 hours later a piece of fruit and then a salad for lunch2 hours later and then another snack og banana or orange then 2 to 2 1/2 hours later dinner ( NO POTATES OR RICE EXCEPT BROWN) I CAN HAVE A SWEET POTATE OR A YAM . I am not allowed to have bread or potate I think he wants me to stay away from starch. He also said no fruit juice from a bottle or can only natural and nothing with artificial sweetner cause of the bad thing it will do to your brain. He syas he know this wil help my thyroid and maybe I can avoid thyroid meds for a while. He also thinks my depression has a lot to do with my swings of hypo to hyper and vice versa. But as long and it is bearable and not being bothersome the diet will help for now. He says that after about 6 to 8 weeks I will see that the weight will litterally melt away. I was just wondering what you think. Does this sound righ to you. Says he would rather ot put me on meds to soon cause once you start that is your life time of meds and he thinks I deserve better.Do you think he is right or just messing with my head. NO RICE i am going to die !!!!. Your opinion is appreciated Topper or anyone else. Tina

[Guest guest]

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

Mini meal eating is good for hypos.... it allows our bodies steady and consistent energy levels for good conversion... It also helps to boost metabolism and allows our bodies to use the food as an energy source and not a source for fat.

It is possible for a person to starve themselves fat..... it has to do with how metabolism slows due to irregular eating habits or from insufficient calorie intake... if you don't eat enough the body goes into starvation mode. At that state it's first priority is to turn what you eat into fat, not energy, so the less you eat the more fat your body makes.

It's also possible to damage your thyroid from not eating correctly. If your gland is not healthy to begin with, poor eating habits, specifically not eating until late in the day, further stresses both the thyroid and adrenal glands.... All that is true.

But changing your way of eating and cutting out part of a food group is not going to fix a damaged gland.. that part I don't agree with.

The thing with the juice... read the labels... what you need to avoid is high fructose corn syrup..... Read all your labels.... HFCS, soy, artificial sweeteners... all that stuff is bad.... with our bodies working hard to function in a healthy manner, they don't need to deal with food additives that make it harder for them.....

Meds for life.... okay... this is a point of view thing.... If you delay starting on the replacement hormone... you delay starting taking pills every day.... at what point will delaying the start of taking the pills outweigh the deterioration of body function? With Hashi's you're gonna continue to cycle and the gland is gonna die, how you eat won't change that... how you help your body with replacement hormone will... If I remember right, your numbers are already showing low... you already have symptoms showing that your body knows you are low.... Aren't you already taking pills everyday?

I've had to wrap my brain around this... because of the damage done to my body by stupid, ignorant docs, I have to dose my thyroid six or seven times a day... to feel okay.... to mess around with timing I'm dealing with not being able to sleep deeply at night, if I can even get to sleep, all over body pain, and poor function during the day... slow to move, no ambition, falling asleep.....

So..... if taking replacement hormone allows the body to be able to function, allows you to have a life.... is starting the replacement hormone BEFORE things get worse a bad idea? As someone that has a sixteen compartment daily pill box and multi-doses EVERYTHING and eats between 5 and 7 mini meals a day... I'd rather do all the weird stuff that I do, and have now for a few years... then to be a walking dead person.

Slow the destruction of the gland.... hmmmmm isn't that the same as saying that you get to continue to slide down hill, slower, for a longer period of time, with things steadily getting worse, only slower, so as to be harder to notice what is causing it..... until you end up so miserable and rotten that the doc finally gives in and gives you the replacement?

Isn't that what happened to me... when they underdosed me for a decade after my RAI... calling all my symptoms a bunch of BS that I was dreaming up to cover for sitting on the couch eating bon bons and watching soaps all day.. and when I couldn't walk anymore that was because of the fat that I had put on from my irresponsible behavior? A body builder that took up bon bon eating and gained two hundred pounds......

... that life long, irreparable injury to my foot that had me on crutches.... the one that would never heal and was my fault... that healed in just a few months when I started treating myself with the correct type of replacement hormone.....

So.... my thoughts...

mini meal eating, good

watching what is put into food and avoiding bad ingredients, good

avoiding potatoes and rice... why? They are good food, just balance meals - protein, starch, fat - every meal, starting with breakfast. No piling a mountain of butter or sour cream on the taters!

Holding off on replacement hormone for the sake of not taking pills now? Ummmmm why wait until you wish you were dead before doing something???

There is even a math calculation thingy that you can use to determine how to set up your meals..... Did you know that when you are losing weight that you actually have to increase your calories periodically after your weight loss or you will stop losing? For me, it's 25 calories per day every three to four weeks.

I'll shut up now....

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:21:57 -0000 "storm12256" writes:

Hey Topper, Do you remember the one night we were in IM and we discussed me going on more meal in smaller portions more frequently ? Well I brought it up at the Doc's yesterday and he seemed to think it was a great idea. He told me that I am starving my self fat !! I was shocked never heard of everything so dumb but it made sense. I have gone so long with out eating breakfast or lunch and then eating supper with hubby that he says this is going to take alot of dicipline cause I am not use to eating all day long. He thinks If I do this it will really help my thyroid to the point that it will slow down destruction of the gland. he told me Oatmeal for Breakfast and 2 hours later a piece of fruit and then a salad for lunch2 hours later and then another snack og banana or orange then 2 to 2 1/2 hours later dinner ( NO POTATES OR RICE EXCEPT BROWN) I CAN HAVE A SWEET POTATE OR A YAM . I am not allowed to have bread or potate I think he wants me to stay away from starch. He also said no fruit juice from a bottle or can only natural and nothing with artificial sweetner cause of the bad thing it will do to your brain. He syas he know this wil help my thyroid and maybe I can avoid thyroid meds for a while. He also thinks my depression has a lot to do with my swings of hypo to hyper and vice versa. But as long and it is bearable and not being bothersome the diet will help for now. He says that after about 6 to 8 weeks I will see that the weight will litterally melt away. I was just wondering what you think. Does this sound righ to you. Says he would rather ot put me on meds to soon cause once you start that is your life time of meds and he thinks I deserve better.Do you think he is right or just messing with my head. NO RICE i am going to die !!!!. Your opinion is appreciated Topper or anyone else. Tina

[Guest guest]

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

Mini meal eating is good for hypos.... it allows our bodies steady and consistent energy levels for good conversion... It also helps to boost metabolism and allows our bodies to use the food as an energy source and not a source for fat.

It is possible for a person to starve themselves fat..... it has to do with how metabolism slows due to irregular eating habits or from insufficient calorie intake... if you don't eat enough the body goes into starvation mode. At that state it's first priority is to turn what you eat into fat, not energy, so the less you eat the more fat your body makes.

It's also possible to damage your thyroid from not eating correctly. If your gland is not healthy to begin with, poor eating habits, specifically not eating until late in the day, further stresses both the thyroid and adrenal glands.... All that is true.

But changing your way of eating and cutting out part of a food group is not going to fix a damaged gland.. that part I don't agree with.

The thing with the juice... read the labels... what you need to avoid is high fructose corn syrup..... Read all your labels.... HFCS, soy, artificial sweeteners... all that stuff is bad.... with our bodies working hard to function in a healthy manner, they don't need to deal with food additives that make it harder for them.....

Meds for life.... okay... this is a point of view thing.... If you delay starting on the replacement hormone... you delay starting taking pills every day.... at what point will delaying the start of taking the pills outweigh the deterioration of body function? With Hashi's you're gonna continue to cycle and the gland is gonna die, how you eat won't change that... how you help your body with replacement hormone will... If I remember right, your numbers are already showing low... you already have symptoms showing that your body knows you are low.... Aren't you already taking pills everyday?

I've had to wrap my brain around this... because of the damage done to my body by stupid, ignorant docs, I have to dose my thyroid six or seven times a day... to feel okay.... to mess around with timing I'm dealing with not being able to sleep deeply at night, if I can even get to sleep, all over body pain, and poor function during the day... slow to move, no ambition, falling asleep.....

So..... if taking replacement hormone allows the body to be able to function, allows you to have a life.... is starting the replacement hormone BEFORE things get worse a bad idea? As someone that has a sixteen compartment daily pill box and multi-doses EVERYTHING and eats between 5 and 7 mini meals a day... I'd rather do all the weird stuff that I do, and have now for a few years... then to be a walking dead person.

Slow the destruction of the gland.... hmmmmm isn't that the same as saying that you get to continue to slide down hill, slower, for a longer period of time, with things steadily getting worse, only slower, so as to be harder to notice what is causing it..... until you end up so miserable and rotten that the doc finally gives in and gives you the replacement?

Isn't that what happened to me... when they underdosed me for a decade after my RAI... calling all my symptoms a bunch of BS that I was dreaming up to cover for sitting on the couch eating bon bons and watching soaps all day.. and when I couldn't walk anymore that was because of the fat that I had put on from my irresponsible behavior? A body builder that took up bon bon eating and gained two hundred pounds......

... that life long, irreparable injury to my foot that had me on crutches.... the one that would never heal and was my fault... that healed in just a few months when I started treating myself with the correct type of replacement hormone.....

So.... my thoughts...

mini meal eating, good

watching what is put into food and avoiding bad ingredients, good

avoiding potatoes and rice... why? They are good food, just balance meals - protein, starch, fat - every meal, starting with breakfast. No piling a mountain of butter or sour cream on the taters!

Holding off on replacement hormone for the sake of not taking pills now? Ummmmm why wait until you wish you were dead before doing something???

There is even a math calculation thingy that you can use to determine how to set up your meals..... Did you know that when you are losing weight that you actually have to increase your calories periodically after your weight loss or you will stop losing? For me, it's 25 calories per day every three to four weeks.

I'll shut up now....

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:21:57 -0000 "storm12256" writes:

Hey Topper, Do you remember the one night we were in IM and we discussed me going on more meal in smaller portions more frequently ? Well I brought it up at the Doc's yesterday and he seemed to think it was a great idea. He told me that I am starving my self fat !! I was shocked never heard of everything so dumb but it made sense. I have gone so long with out eating breakfast or lunch and then eating supper with hubby that he says this is going to take alot of dicipline cause I am not use to eating all day long. He thinks If I do this it will really help my thyroid to the point that it will slow down destruction of the gland. he told me Oatmeal for Breakfast and 2 hours later a piece of fruit and then a salad for lunch2 hours later and then another snack og banana or orange then 2 to 2 1/2 hours later dinner ( NO POTATES OR RICE EXCEPT BROWN) I CAN HAVE A SWEET POTATE OR A YAM . I am not allowed to have bread or potate I think he wants me to stay away from starch. He also said no fruit juice from a bottle or can only natural and nothing with artificial sweetner cause of the bad thing it will do to your brain. He syas he know this wil help my thyroid and maybe I can avoid thyroid meds for a while. He also thinks my depression has a lot to do with my swings of hypo to hyper and vice versa. But as long and it is bearable and not being bothersome the diet will help for now. He says that after about 6 to 8 weeks I will see that the weight will litterally melt away. I was just wondering what you think. Does this sound righ to you. Says he would rather ot put me on meds to soon cause once you start that is your life time of meds and he thinks I deserve better.Do you think he is right or just messing with my head. NO RICE i am going to die !!!!. Your opinion is appreciated Topper or anyone else. Tina

[Guest guest]

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

Mini meal eating is good for hypos.... it allows our bodies steady and consistent energy levels for good conversion... It also helps to boost metabolism and allows our bodies to use the food as an energy source and not a source for fat.

It is possible for a person to starve themselves fat..... it has to do with how metabolism slows due to irregular eating habits or from insufficient calorie intake... if you don't eat enough the body goes into starvation mode. At that state it's first priority is to turn what you eat into fat, not energy, so the less you eat the more fat your body makes.

It's also possible to damage your thyroid from not eating correctly. If your gland is not healthy to begin with, poor eating habits, specifically not eating until late in the day, further stresses both the thyroid and adrenal glands.... All that is true.

But changing your way of eating and cutting out part of a food group is not going to fix a damaged gland.. that part I don't agree with.

The thing with the juice... read the labels... what you need to avoid is high fructose corn syrup..... Read all your labels.... HFCS, soy, artificial sweeteners... all that stuff is bad.... with our bodies working hard to function in a healthy manner, they don't need to deal with food additives that make it harder for them.....

Meds for life.... okay... this is a point of view thing.... If you delay starting on the replacement hormone... you delay starting taking pills every day.... at what point will delaying the start of taking the pills outweigh the deterioration of body function? With Hashi's you're gonna continue to cycle and the gland is gonna die, how you eat won't change that... how you help your body with replacement hormone will... If I remember right, your numbers are already showing low... you already have symptoms showing that your body knows you are low.... Aren't you already taking pills everyday?

I've had to wrap my brain around this... because of the damage done to my body by stupid, ignorant docs, I have to dose my thyroid six or seven times a day... to feel okay.... to mess around with timing I'm dealing with not being able to sleep deeply at night, if I can even get to sleep, all over body pain, and poor function during the day... slow to move, no ambition, falling asleep.....

So..... if taking replacement hormone allows the body to be able to function, allows you to have a life.... is starting the replacement hormone BEFORE things get worse a bad idea? As someone that has a sixteen compartment daily pill box and multi-doses EVERYTHING and eats between 5 and 7 mini meals a day... I'd rather do all the weird stuff that I do, and have now for a few years... then to be a walking dead person.

Slow the destruction of the gland.... hmmmmm isn't that the same as saying that you get to continue to slide down hill, slower, for a longer period of time, with things steadily getting worse, only slower, so as to be harder to notice what is causing it..... until you end up so miserable and rotten that the doc finally gives in and gives you the replacement?

Isn't that what happened to me... when they underdosed me for a decade after my RAI... calling all my symptoms a bunch of BS that I was dreaming up to cover for sitting on the couch eating bon bons and watching soaps all day.. and when I couldn't walk anymore that was because of the fat that I had put on from my irresponsible behavior? A body builder that took up bon bon eating and gained two hundred pounds......

... that life long, irreparable injury to my foot that had me on crutches.... the one that would never heal and was my fault... that healed in just a few months when I started treating myself with the correct type of replacement hormone.....

So.... my thoughts...

mini meal eating, good

watching what is put into food and avoiding bad ingredients, good

avoiding potatoes and rice... why? They are good food, just balance meals - protein, starch, fat - every meal, starting with breakfast. No piling a mountain of butter or sour cream on the taters!

Holding off on replacement hormone for the sake of not taking pills now? Ummmmm why wait until you wish you were dead before doing something???

There is even a math calculation thingy that you can use to determine how to set up your meals..... Did you know that when you are losing weight that you actually have to increase your calories periodically after your weight loss or you will stop losing? For me, it's 25 calories per day every three to four weeks.

I'll shut up now....

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:21:57 -0000 "storm12256" writes:

Hey Topper, Do you remember the one night we were in IM and we discussed me going on more meal in smaller portions more frequently ? Well I brought it up at the Doc's yesterday and he seemed to think it was a great idea. He told me that I am starving my self fat !! I was shocked never heard of everything so dumb but it made sense. I have gone so long with out eating breakfast or lunch and then eating supper with hubby that he says this is going to take alot of dicipline cause I am not use to eating all day long. He thinks If I do this it will really help my thyroid to the point that it will slow down destruction of the gland. he told me Oatmeal for Breakfast and 2 hours later a piece of fruit and then a salad for lunch2 hours later and then another snack og banana or orange then 2 to 2 1/2 hours later dinner ( NO POTATES OR RICE EXCEPT BROWN) I CAN HAVE A SWEET POTATE OR A YAM . I am not allowed to have bread or potate I think he wants me to stay away from starch. He also said no fruit juice from a bottle or can only natural and nothing with artificial sweetner cause of the bad thing it will do to your brain. He syas he know this wil help my thyroid and maybe I can avoid thyroid meds for a while. He also thinks my depression has a lot to do with my swings of hypo to hyper and vice versa. But as long and it is bearable and not being bothersome the diet will help for now. He says that after about 6 to 8 weeks I will see that the weight will litterally melt away. I was just wondering what you think. Does this sound righ to you. Says he would rather ot put me on meds to soon cause once you start that is your life time of meds and he thinks I deserve better.Do you think he is right or just messing with my head. NO RICE i am going to die !!!!. Your opinion is appreciated Topper or anyone else. Tina

[Guest guest]

I've cut nothing out of my diet.... as far as a food group or anything.... I still do long grain white rice... potatoes I do when I have them, I don't do commercially made pasta anymore, I do home made... I don't do commercial bread anymore, I do home made... and fortify it with powdered milk and egg.

I think the key is balance.... after months of measure by weight and volume and writing everything down I got it to where I can 'eyeball' stuff and come pretty close... I'm still heavy I have a long way to go.. but it has been working for me.... and I'm more alert (I'm assuming it's helping with conversion and reducing the stress to my guts from processing larger volumes of food, it has an easier time with the lower volume per sitting)

For me what it comes out to is 1/3 cup meat, 2/3 cup starch (that would be rice, potato, pasta or bread) 1/3 cup fruit... and if I use some type of a sauce or gravy that's a 1/3 cup portion too.

That's why the number of my meals varies in a day... if the meals I have set up are higher calorie I have five meals per day, if they are lower calorie I have seven per day.

If my budget allowed more fruit I'd do a meal or two of fruit per day, but I have to work with what I have available to me.

The KEY to mini meal eating is setting up stuff so that it's easy.. so that you aren't getting all frustrated that its time AGAIN to stop what you are doing to make something to eat.... I tend to set up a day or two of meals at a time in the fridge... and I like to freeze items to use for mini meals too... like doing a turkey or a roast and portioning into mini meal servings and freezing individually, then bulk bagging the frozen pieces....

I get really animated about how I do this stuff...... I'll just shoot out one example.... soups... I did a 2 1/2 gallon batch of soup in December.... stock was from chicken bones that I'd been saving since last winter and freezing... it had chicken, beans, rice and vegies in it... with the spices and such, of course... when it's all done I ladle it into jumbo muffin tins, they hold about a cup of soup each... I freeze it and when the chunks are frozen solid you just run some hot water on the back side and dump out the chunks of frozen soup... I then bag up all the chunks and put them back in the freezer.... Now I can go down and grab a chunk, which is one mini meal, and have home made soup for one... no muss no fuss..... You can do the same with stews, chile... all kinds of stuff....

If you have the meals ready to grab, you can go eat every three hours without getting t'd off at the extra work....

One thing with rice and potatoes, even bread... unless their is a medical issue involved... are actually good food.. it's eating them in excess or piling them full of toppings... gravy, cheese, sour cream, butter... that makes them high calorie... as part of a balanced meal, they are good food.

You have to learn to find ways of changing how you do things.... cubed potatoes, tossed with herbs and spices and baked... are yummy... and a good substitute for french fries and potato chips. My rice... I like having that with a meat and vegie gravy that I make from scratch.. and then Tina got me trying it with my home made baked beans on it, for the gravy.. that's actually pretty good... I do a cup of cooked rice with a 1/3 cup of my baked beans... I do those up in the winter by the gallon and freeze in regular muffin tins..... just the right size... just grab a chunk out of the bag and a serving for one. I do rice a gazillion ways, right now its a main portion of my menu cuz it's cheap and good food.

shutting up about food now... heehhehee

Juice... I like to do juice in water... like 1/4 juice, the rest water.... it's 'more fun' than just water, yet not as calorie filled as a straight juice... mostly I drink water, though....

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:48:38 -0800 (PST) Tina Hummel writes:

Yeah it does and Topper and I had discussed this in December and I was thinking of doing it but she didn't tell me I had to lose the rice or the taters and I liked her idea he is telling me no tatters or Rice now potatoes I can maybe live without but MY RICE there is no way I love rice. And some juices i can understand but all of them. I do drink alot of water and sometimes a little juice is good for you as long as you know what your drinking

Tina

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ooooh and for those of you that love sodas but don't want the high fructose corn syrup, you can actually buy carbonated fruit juice now (in the organic section). many many varieties to choose from or you can make your own with fruit juice & club soda... really really good. it's one way i kicked drinking regular soda.

andrea

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here's a question for you topper & everyone:

right now i weigh 172.8 lbs (afternoon dr's visit a few days ago) at the beginning of may i weighed a few ounces shy of 200lbs. that's a 27 lb or so loss. i am 5'4 and come from irish, german, cherokee stock however i look incredibly irish. i am not stocky however i have a sturdy frame (think jewel or renee zelwegger ) i personally think all i can lose is 10 lbs or so more. right now you can see my collar bones, upper ribs, and i have a line from my breast bone to my pubic line for my abs... by all standards i am still overweight but i do feel healthy at this weight... i would like to be a little thinner to help against puffy days and to tone up but other than that i am happy with how i look.

even when i was almost 200 i still looked like i wasn't and the only times i look heavy are when my face is swollen. so, what should my ideal weight be? i know the 125lb goal is set by insurance companies and that most women in america on average is size 12, 145-160lbs.

do you think docs should take genetics into account? and why did they ever stop?? they take it into account for heart disease, cholesterol, diabetes, etc. but not framing. what do you all think of that???

andrea

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Cool thanks andrea sounds like a great idea. Tina Teague wrote: ooooh and for those of you that love sodas but don't want the high fructose corn syrup, you can actually buy carbonated fruit juice now (in the organic section). many many varieties to choose from or you can make your own with fruit juice & club soda... really really good. it's one way i kicked drinking regular soda. andrea Tina JJOIPPKOOUNUJOP'IUJK0--9UTINA MK-099-99\OP'[-0 I]9IKI099 U[

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