Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

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Mini meal eating is good for hypos.... it allows our bodies steady and consistent energy levels for good conversion... It also helps to boost metabolism and allows our bodies to use the food as an energy source and not a source for fat.

It is possible for a person to starve themselves fat..... it has to do with how metabolism slows due to irregular eating habits or from insufficient calorie intake... if you don't eat enough the body goes into starvation mode. At that state it's first priority is to turn what you eat into fat, not energy, so the less you eat the more fat your body makes.

It's also possible to damage your thyroid from not eating correctly. If your gland is not healthy to begin with, poor eating habits, specifically not eating until late in the day, further stresses both the thyroid and adrenal glands.... All that is true.

But changing your way of eating and cutting out part of a food group is not going to fix a damaged gland.. that part I don't agree with.

The thing with the juice... read the labels... what you need to avoid is high fructose corn syrup..... Read all your labels.... HFCS, soy, artificial sweeteners... all that stuff is bad.... with our bodies working hard to function in a healthy manner, they don't need to deal with food additives that make it harder for them.....

Meds for life.... okay... this is a point of view thing.... If you delay starting on the replacement hormone... you delay starting taking pills every day.... at what point will delaying the start of taking the pills outweigh the deterioration of body function? With Hashi's you're gonna continue to cycle and the gland is gonna die, how you eat won't change that... how you help your body with replacement hormone will... If I remember right, your numbers are already showing low... you already have symptoms showing that your body knows you are low.... Aren't you already taking pills everyday?

I've had to wrap my brain around this... because of the damage done to my body by stupid, ignorant docs, I have to dose my thyroid six or seven times a day... to feel okay.... to mess around with timing I'm dealing with not being able to sleep deeply at night, if I can even get to sleep, all over body pain, and poor function during the day... slow to move, no ambition, falling asleep.....

So..... if taking replacement hormone allows the body to be able to function, allows you to have a life.... is starting the replacement hormone BEFORE things get worse a bad idea? As someone that has a sixteen compartment daily pill box and multi-doses EVERYTHING and eats between 5 and 7 mini meals a day... I'd rather do all the weird stuff that I do, and have now for a few years... then to be a walking dead person.

Slow the destruction of the gland.... hmmmmm isn't that the same as saying that you get to continue to slide down hill, slower, for a longer period of time, with things steadily getting worse, only slower, so as to be harder to notice what is causing it..... until you end up so miserable and rotten that the doc finally gives in and gives you the replacement?

Isn't that what happened to me... when they underdosed me for a decade after my RAI... calling all my symptoms a bunch of BS that I was dreaming up to cover for sitting on the couch eating bon bons and watching soaps all day.. and when I couldn't walk anymore that was because of the fat that I had put on from my irresponsible behavior? A body builder that took up bon bon eating and gained two hundred pounds......

... that life long, irreparable injury to my foot that had me on crutches.... the one that would never heal and was my fault... that healed in just a few months when I started treating myself with the correct type of replacement hormone.....

So.... my thoughts...

mini meal eating, good

watching what is put into food and avoiding bad ingredients, good

avoiding potatoes and rice... why? They are good food, just balance meals - protein, starch, fat - every meal, starting with breakfast. No piling a mountain of butter or sour cream on the taters!

Holding off on replacement hormone for the sake of not taking pills now? Ummmmm why wait until you wish you were dead before doing something???

There is even a math calculation thingy that you can use to determine how to set up your meals..... Did you know that when you are losing weight that you actually have to increase your calories periodically after your weight loss or you will stop losing? For me, it's 25 calories per day every three to four weeks.

I'll shut up now....

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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:21:57 -0000 "storm12256" writes:

Hey Topper, Do you remember the one night we were in IM and we discussed me going on more meal in smaller portions more frequently ? Well I brought it up at the Doc's yesterday and he seemed to think it was a great idea. He told me that I am starving my self fat !! I was shocked never heard of everything so dumb but it made sense. I have gone so long with out eating breakfast or lunch and then eating supper with hubby that he says this is going to take alot of dicipline cause I am not use to eating all day long. He thinks If I do this it will really help my thyroid to the point that it will slow down destruction of the gland. he told me Oatmeal for Breakfast and 2 hours later a piece of fruit and then a salad for lunch2 hours later and then another snack og banana or orange then 2 to 2 1/2 hours later dinner ( NO POTATES OR RICE EXCEPT BROWN) I CAN HAVE A SWEET POTATE OR A YAM . I am not allowed to have bread or potate I think he wants me to stay away from starch. He also said no fruit juice from a bottle or can only natural and nothing with artificial sweetner cause of the bad thing it will do to your brain. He syas he know this wil help my thyroid and maybe I can avoid thyroid meds for a while. He also thinks my depression has a lot to do with my swings of hypo to hyper and vice versa. But as long and it is bearable and not being bothersome the diet will help for now. He says that after about 6 to 8 weeks I will see that the weight will litterally melt away. I was just wondering what you think. Does this sound righ to you. Says he would rather ot put me on meds to soon cause once you start that is your life time of meds and he thinks I deserve better.Do you think he is right or just messing with my head. NO RICE i am going to die !!!!. Your opinion is appreciated Topper or anyone else. Tina

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Yeah it does and Topper and I had discussed this in December and I was thinking of doing it but she didn't tell me I had to lose the rice or the taters and I liked her idea he is telling me no tatters or Rice now potatoes I can maybe live without but MY RICE there is no way I love rice. And some juices i can understand but all of them. I do drink alot of water and sometimes a little juice is good for you as long as you know what your drinking Tina Teague

wrote: It sounds like your doc is one that might understand what he's talking about. It's very common in people trying to lose weight that they will skip meals and it will ruin their bodies because of it and shut down their metabolism because they go into a starvation mode then when they get food they don't want to process it so quickly because your body doesn't know when it will eat again. Your doc's plan for your diet sounds really good. good luck. andrea Topper my doc and I discussed your idea. Hey Topper, Do you remember the one night we were in IM and we discussed me going on more meal in smaller portions more frequently ? Well I brought

it up at the Doc's yesterday and he seemed to think it was a great idea. He told me that I am starving my self fat !! I was shocked never heard of everything so dumb but it made sense. I have gone so long with out eating breakfast or lunch and then eating supper with hubby that he says this is going to take alot of dicipline cause I am not use to eating all day long. He thinks If I do this it will really help my thyroid to the point that it will slow down destruction of the gland. he told me Oatmeal for Breakfast and 2 hours later a piece of fruit and then a salad for lunch2 hours later and then another snack og banana or orange then 2 to 2 1/2 hours later dinner ( NO POTATES OR RICE EXCEPT BROWN) I CAN HAVE A SWEET POTATE OR A YAM . I am not allowed to have bread or potate I think he wants me to stay away from starch. He also said no fruit juice from a bottle or can only natural and nothing with artificial sweetner cause

of the bad thing it will do to your brain. He syas he know this wil help my thyroid and maybe I can avoid thyroid meds for a while. He also thinks my depression has a lot to do with my swings of hypo to hyper and vice versa. But as long and it is bearable and not being bothersome the diet will help for now. He says that after about 6 to 8 weeks I will see that the weight will litterally melt away. I was just wondering what you think. Does this sound righ to you. Says he would rather ot put me on meds to soon cause once you start that is your life time of meds and he thinks I deserve better.Do you think he is right or just messing with my head. NO RICE i am going to die !!!!. Your opinion is appreciated Topper or anyone else. Tina

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Fitday, as I played with it... sometimes had calorie counts too low... works good for folks with a healthier body... By too low.. I mean it's suggested calories per day. If we drop down too far it affects our conversion rate and drops our metabolism.. that's why hypos can eat so little yet still gain.... We need to calculate how many calories we need to maintain nutrition and stimulate metabolic rate... Fascinating when you dig into it... cuz it's not the same for us as it is for 'normal' folks.

But it does give you a good set of tools to work with.. you can punch in what you are eating and get a listing of it's nutritional and calorie contact... I used their data base when I sat down with my recipes and started figuring stuff out....

Thanks for bringing it up, Fitday... See? All our brains together are able to keep track of this stuff.....

hehehehehe

Hey.. refresh my brain, if you know, ... you can use their database and info online for free... or buy the disk to set it up on your own computer to do offline..... am I remembering that right??? I know OM Bev used it a lot... she's the one that got me going there, that's been.... oh gosh... over two years ago.... I should wander over and see what's all changed! I have new recipes to recalculate too! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:40:14 -0500 " Teague" writes:

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

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Fitday, as I played with it... sometimes had calorie counts too low... works good for folks with a healthier body... By too low.. I mean it's suggested calories per day. If we drop down too far it affects our conversion rate and drops our metabolism.. that's why hypos can eat so little yet still gain.... We need to calculate how many calories we need to maintain nutrition and stimulate metabolic rate... Fascinating when you dig into it... cuz it's not the same for us as it is for 'normal' folks.

But it does give you a good set of tools to work with.. you can punch in what you are eating and get a listing of it's nutritional and calorie contact... I used their data base when I sat down with my recipes and started figuring stuff out....

Thanks for bringing it up, Fitday... See? All our brains together are able to keep track of this stuff.....

hehehehehe

Hey.. refresh my brain, if you know, ... you can use their database and info online for free... or buy the disk to set it up on your own computer to do offline..... am I remembering that right??? I know OM Bev used it a lot... she's the one that got me going there, that's been.... oh gosh... over two years ago.... I should wander over and see what's all changed! I have new recipes to recalculate too! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:40:14 -0500 " Teague" writes:

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

[Guest guest]

Fitday, as I played with it... sometimes had calorie counts too low... works good for folks with a healthier body... By too low.. I mean it's suggested calories per day. If we drop down too far it affects our conversion rate and drops our metabolism.. that's why hypos can eat so little yet still gain.... We need to calculate how many calories we need to maintain nutrition and stimulate metabolic rate... Fascinating when you dig into it... cuz it's not the same for us as it is for 'normal' folks.

But it does give you a good set of tools to work with.. you can punch in what you are eating and get a listing of it's nutritional and calorie contact... I used their data base when I sat down with my recipes and started figuring stuff out....

Thanks for bringing it up, Fitday... See? All our brains together are able to keep track of this stuff.....

hehehehehe

Hey.. refresh my brain, if you know, ... you can use their database and info online for free... or buy the disk to set it up on your own computer to do offline..... am I remembering that right??? I know OM Bev used it a lot... she's the one that got me going there, that's been.... oh gosh... over two years ago.... I should wander over and see what's all changed! I have new recipes to recalculate too! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:40:14 -0500 " Teague" writes:

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

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LOL I'm sorry Topper I am going to keep going with this food thing. How do I know how to portion it out how much I need and how much my hubby needs to make this work ? Now lol be kind remember I am old and have severe brain Fog and I am blonde on top of all that.LMBO. Seriously how do you do that how do you calculate what is right for you? Tinatopper2@... wrote: I've cut nothing out of my diet.... as far as a food group or anything.... I still do long grain white rice... potatoes I do when I have them, I don't do commercially made pasta anymore, I do home made... I don't do

commercial bread anymore, I do home made... and fortify it with powdered milk and egg. I think the key is balance.... after months of measure by weight and volume and writing everything down I got it to where I can 'eyeball' stuff and come pretty close... I'm still heavy I have a long way to go.. but it has been working for me.... and I'm more alert (I'm assuming it's helping with conversion and reducing the stress to my guts from processing larger volumes of food, it has an easier time with the lower volume per sitting) For me what it comes out to is 1/3 cup meat, 2/3 cup starch (that would be rice, potato, pasta or bread) 1/3 cup fruit... and if I use some type of a sauce or gravy that's a 1/3 cup portion too. That's why the number of my meals varies in a day... if the meals I have set up are higher calorie I have five meals per day, if they are lower calorie I have seven per day. If my budget allowed more fruit I'd do a meal or two of fruit per day, but I have to work with what I have available to me. The KEY to mini meal eating is setting up stuff so that it's easy.. so that you aren't getting all frustrated that its time AGAIN to stop what you are doing to make something to eat.... I tend to set up a day or two of meals at a time in the fridge... and I like to freeze items to use for mini meals too... like doing a turkey or a roast and portioning into mini meal servings and freezing individually, then bulk bagging the frozen pieces.... I get really animated about how I do this stuff...... I'll just shoot out one example.... soups... I did a 2 1/2 gallon batch of soup in December.... stock was from chicken bones that I'd been saving since last winter and freezing... it had chicken, beans, rice and vegies in it... with the spices and such, of course... when it's all done I

ladle it into jumbo muffin tins, they hold about a cup of soup each... I freeze it and when the chunks are frozen solid you just run some hot water on the back side and dump out the chunks of frozen soup... I then bag up all the chunks and put them back in the freezer.... Now I can go down and grab a chunk, which is one mini meal, and have home made soup for one... no muss no fuss..... You can do the same with stews, chile... all kinds of stuff.... If you have the meals ready to grab, you can go eat every three hours without getting t'd off at the extra work.... One thing with rice and potatoes, even bread... unless their is a medical issue involved... are actually good food.. it's eating them in excess or piling them full of toppings... gravy, cheese, sour cream, butter... that makes them high calorie... as part of a balanced meal, they are good food. You have to learn to find ways

of changing how you do things.... cubed potatoes, tossed with herbs and spices and baked... are yummy... and a good substitute for french fries and potato chips. My rice... I like having that with a meat and vegie gravy that I make from scratch.. and then Tina got me trying it with my home made baked beans on it, for the gravy.. that's actually pretty good... I do a cup of cooked rice with a 1/3 cup of my baked beans... I do those up in the winter by the gallon and freeze in regular muffin tins..... just the right size... just grab a chunk out of the bag and a serving for one. I do rice a gazillion ways, right now its a main portion of my menu cuz it's cheap and good food. shutting up about food now... heehhehee Juice... I like to do juice in water... like 1/4 juice, the rest water.... it's 'more fun' than just water, yet not as calorie filled as a straight juice... mostly I drink water, though....

Topper () On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:48:38 -0800 (PST) Tina Hummel writes: Yeah it does and Topper and I had discussed this in December and I was thinking of doing it but she didn't tell me I had to lose the rice or the taters and I liked her idea he is telling me no tatters or Rice now potatoes I can maybe live without but MY RICE there is no way I love rice. And some juices i can understand but all of them. I do drink alot of water and sometimes a little juice is good for you as long as you know what your drinking Tina Tina JJOIPPKOOUNUJOP'IUJK0--9UTINA MK-099-99\OP'[-0 I]9IKI099 U[

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I think you can get the cd... I'll have to check into that. It's been a while since I checked in to. My problem is that soooo many foods now days contain soy. I'm wondering if I should completely avoid it or just not eat it so often. I consume some type of soy every day. I'm allergic to milk, cinnamon, oregano, cilantro, yeast, strawberries, cucumber, mixed beans (yet soy gives me no reaction that I can tell) and several other foods. All of my food is organic or natural so that helps out a lot when figuring things out however I wonder if I can still eat soy if I adjust my dosage accordingly. It's very hard for me to have a balanced diet being allergic to so many things, soy is one of the staples in vegan (I might as well be vegan due to no milk lol) foods. hmm.... any ideas??

Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

Fitday, as I played with it... sometimes had calorie counts too low... works good for folks with a healthier body... By too low.. I mean it's suggested calories per day. If we drop down too far it affects our conversion rate and drops our metabolism.. that's why hypos can eat so little yet still gain.... We need to calculate how many calories we need to maintain nutrition and stimulate metabolic rate... Fascinating when you dig into it... cuz it's not the same for us as it is for 'normal' folks.

But it does give you a good set of tools to work with.. you can punch in what you are eating and get a listing of it's nutritional and calorie contact... I used their data base when I sat down with my recipes and started figuring stuff out....

Thanks for bringing it up, Fitday... See? All our brains together are able to keep track of this stuff.....

hehehehehe

Hey.. refresh my brain, if you know, ... you can use their database and info online for free... or buy the disk to set it up on your own computer to do offline..... am I remembering that right??? I know OM Bev used it a lot... she's the one that got me going there, that's been.... oh gosh... over two years ago.... I should wander over and see what's all changed! I have new recipes to recalculate too! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:40:14 -0500 " Teague" writes:

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

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I think you can get the cd... I'll have to check into that. It's been a while since I checked in to. My problem is that soooo many foods now days contain soy. I'm wondering if I should completely avoid it or just not eat it so often. I consume some type of soy every day. I'm allergic to milk, cinnamon, oregano, cilantro, yeast, strawberries, cucumber, mixed beans (yet soy gives me no reaction that I can tell) and several other foods. All of my food is organic or natural so that helps out a lot when figuring things out however I wonder if I can still eat soy if I adjust my dosage accordingly. It's very hard for me to have a balanced diet being allergic to so many things, soy is one of the staples in vegan (I might as well be vegan due to no milk lol) foods. hmm.... any ideas??

Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

Fitday, as I played with it... sometimes had calorie counts too low... works good for folks with a healthier body... By too low.. I mean it's suggested calories per day. If we drop down too far it affects our conversion rate and drops our metabolism.. that's why hypos can eat so little yet still gain.... We need to calculate how many calories we need to maintain nutrition and stimulate metabolic rate... Fascinating when you dig into it... cuz it's not the same for us as it is for 'normal' folks.

But it does give you a good set of tools to work with.. you can punch in what you are eating and get a listing of it's nutritional and calorie contact... I used their data base when I sat down with my recipes and started figuring stuff out....

Thanks for bringing it up, Fitday... See? All our brains together are able to keep track of this stuff.....

hehehehehe

Hey.. refresh my brain, if you know, ... you can use their database and info online for free... or buy the disk to set it up on your own computer to do offline..... am I remembering that right??? I know OM Bev used it a lot... she's the one that got me going there, that's been.... oh gosh... over two years ago.... I should wander over and see what's all changed! I have new recipes to recalculate too! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:40:14 -0500 " Teague" writes:

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

[Guest guest]

I think you can get the cd... I'll have to check into that. It's been a while since I checked in to. My problem is that soooo many foods now days contain soy. I'm wondering if I should completely avoid it or just not eat it so often. I consume some type of soy every day. I'm allergic to milk, cinnamon, oregano, cilantro, yeast, strawberries, cucumber, mixed beans (yet soy gives me no reaction that I can tell) and several other foods. All of my food is organic or natural so that helps out a lot when figuring things out however I wonder if I can still eat soy if I adjust my dosage accordingly. It's very hard for me to have a balanced diet being allergic to so many things, soy is one of the staples in vegan (I might as well be vegan due to no milk lol) foods. hmm.... any ideas??

Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

Fitday, as I played with it... sometimes had calorie counts too low... works good for folks with a healthier body... By too low.. I mean it's suggested calories per day. If we drop down too far it affects our conversion rate and drops our metabolism.. that's why hypos can eat so little yet still gain.... We need to calculate how many calories we need to maintain nutrition and stimulate metabolic rate... Fascinating when you dig into it... cuz it's not the same for us as it is for 'normal' folks.

But it does give you a good set of tools to work with.. you can punch in what you are eating and get a listing of it's nutritional and calorie contact... I used their data base when I sat down with my recipes and started figuring stuff out....

Thanks for bringing it up, Fitday... See? All our brains together are able to keep track of this stuff.....

hehehehehe

Hey.. refresh my brain, if you know, ... you can use their database and info online for free... or buy the disk to set it up on your own computer to do offline..... am I remembering that right??? I know OM Bev used it a lot... she's the one that got me going there, that's been.... oh gosh... over two years ago.... I should wander over and see what's all changed! I have new recipes to recalculate too! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:40:14 -0500 " Teague" writes:

you can also try fitday.com they will help you see how your body processes things & track your calories. it's free and you have use of graphs, a journal, scheduling, weight charting, etc.

good luck

andrea

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here's a hint for those of you craving fried french fries... you can drizzle bakes fries (pre oven) with olive oil or another oil you have and coat them well, then they will taste deep fried but they won't have all the grease. it works great because then you can season them with garlic & onion powder or something else and you don't need salt. also for those of you trying to avoid salt, something i do now is any time i want salt on something i'll use sea salt (iodized just doesn't taste right for some reason to me) or i'll use vinegar which tastes salty but isn't. it's great on said fries.

andrea

Re: Topper my doc and I discussed your idea.

I've cut nothing out of my diet.... as far as a food group or anything.... I still do long grain white rice... potatoes I do when I have them, I don't do commercially made pasta anymore, I do home made... I don't do commercial bread anymore, I do home made... and fortify it with powdered milk and egg.

I think the key is balance.... after months of measure by weight and volume and writing everything down I got it to where I can 'eyeball' stuff and come pretty close... I'm still heavy I have a long way to go.. but it has been working for me.... and I'm more alert (I'm assuming it's helping with conversion and reducing the stress to my guts from processing larger volumes of food, it has an easier time with the lower volume per sitting)

For me what it comes out to is 1/3 cup meat, 2/3 cup starch (that would be rice, potato, pasta or bread) 1/3 cup fruit... and if I use some type of a sauce or gravy that's a 1/3 cup portion too.

That's why the number of my meals varies in a day... if the meals I have set up are higher calorie I have five meals per day, if they are lower calorie I have seven per day.

If my budget allowed more fruit I'd do a meal or two of fruit per day, but I have to work with what I have available to me.

The KEY to mini meal eating is setting up stuff so that it's easy.. so that you aren't getting all frustrated that its time AGAIN to stop what you are doing to make something to eat.... I tend to set up a day or two of meals at a time in the fridge... and I like to freeze items to use for mini meals too... like doing a turkey or a roast and portioning into mini meal servings and freezing individually, then bulk bagging the frozen pieces....

I get really animated about how I do this stuff...... I'll just shoot out one example.... soups... I did a 2 1/2 gallon batch of soup in December.... stock was from chicken bones that I'd been saving since last winter and freezing... it had chicken, beans, rice and vegies in it... with the spices and such, of course... when it's all done I ladle it into jumbo muffin tins, they hold about a cup of soup each... I freeze it and when the chunks are frozen solid you just run some hot water on the back side and dump out the chunks of frozen soup... I then bag up all the chunks and put them back in the freezer.... Now I can go down and grab a chunk, which is one mini meal, and have home made soup for one... no muss no fuss..... You can do the same with stews, chile... all kinds of stuff....

If you have the meals ready to grab, you can go eat every three hours without getting t'd off at the extra work....

One thing with rice and potatoes, even bread... unless their is a medical issue involved... are actually good food.. it's eating them in excess or piling them full of toppings... gravy, cheese, sour cream, butter... that makes them high calorie... as part of a balanced meal, they are good food.

You have to learn to find ways of changing how you do things.... cubed potatoes, tossed with herbs and spices and baked... are yummy... and a good substitute for french fries and potato chips. My rice... I like having that with a meat and vegie gravy that I make from scratch.. and then Tina got me trying it with my home made baked beans on it, for the gravy.. that's actually pretty good... I do a cup of cooked rice with a 1/3 cup of my baked beans... I do those up in the winter by the gallon and freeze in regular muffin tins..... just the right size... just grab a chunk out of the bag and a serving for one. I do rice a gazillion ways, right now its a main portion of my menu cuz it's cheap and good food.

shutting up about food now... heehhehee

Juice... I like to do juice in water... like 1/4 juice, the rest water.... it's 'more fun' than just water, yet not as calorie filled as a straight juice... mostly I drink water, though....

Topper ()

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 10:48:38 -0800 (PST) Tina Hummel writes:

Yeah it does and Topper and I had discussed this in December and I was thinking of doing it but she didn't tell me I had to lose the rice or the taters and I liked her idea he is telling me no tatters or Rice now potatoes I can maybe live without but MY RICE there is no way I love rice. And some juices i can understand but all of them. I do drink alot of water and sometimes a little juice is good for you as long as you know what your drinking

Tina

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here's a question for you topper & everyone:

right now i weigh 172.8 lbs (afternoon dr's visit a few days ago) at the beginning of may i weighed a few ounces shy of 200lbs. that's a 27 lb or so loss. i am 5'4 and come from irish, german, cherokee stock however i look incredibly irish. i am not stocky however i have a sturdy frame (think jewel or renee zelwegger ) i personally think all i can lose is 10 lbs or so more. right now you can see my collar bones, upper ribs, and i have a line from my breast bone to my pubic line for my abs... by all standards i am still overweight but i do feel healthy at this weight... i would like to be a little thinner to help against puffy days and to tone up but other than that i am happy with how i look.

even when i was almost 200 i still looked like i wasn't and the only times i look heavy are when my face is swollen. so, what should my ideal weight be? i know the 125lb goal is set by insurance companies and that most women in america on average is size 12, 145-160lbs.

do you think docs should take genetics into account? and why did they ever stop?? they take it into account for heart disease, cholesterol, diabetes, etc. but not framing. what do you all think of that???

andrea

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I totally agree andrea. cause my total health weight the govrnment says is way to low for me they feel i should be at 125 -130 and at that weight I look anorexic.I feel so much better at 150 to 160 lbs and I look good not boney I am 5'3 and big boned so they are just plain and simple wrong OH GEEZZ imagine our government wrong !!!! Now there's a first lol. I started this graves hashi thing back in 2000 thinking back I was under tons of stress sone left for Marines and my first husband and I split up and I filed for divorce. so I just lost so much weight and got down to 156 and I felt great.Anyway that is my 2 cents. Tina Teague wrote: here's a question for you topper & everyone: right now i weigh 172.8 lbs (afternoon dr's visit a few days ago) at the beginning of may i weighed a few ounces shy of 200lbs. that's a 27 lb or so loss. i am 5'4 and come from irish, german, cherokee stock however i look incredibly irish. i am not stocky however i have a sturdy frame (think jewel or renee zelwegger ) i personally think all i can lose is 10 lbs or so more. right now you can see my collar bones, upper ribs, and i have a line from my breast bone to my pubic line for my abs... by all standards i am still overweight but i do feel healthy at this weight... i would like to be a little thinner to help against puffy days and to tone up but other than that i am happy with how i look. even when i was almost 200 i still looked like i wasn't and the only times i look heavy are when my face

is swollen. so, what should my ideal weight be? i know the 125lb goal is set by insurance companies and that most women in america on average is size 12, 145-160lbs. do you think docs should take genetics into account? and why did they ever stop?? they take it into account for heart disease, cholesterol, diabetes, etc. but not framing. what do you all think of that??? andrea Tina JJOIPPKOOUNUJOP'IUJK0--9UTINA MK-099-99\OP'[-0 I]9IKI099 U[

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I'm 5'8, definitely carry the German and Danish in us - mom has

pictures of ancestors from the home lands and my body build looks

like those. I think I looked my best at 180/190. I would be happy

to get to 220. If more came off than that, I could live with it.

At 180/190 I still had a good layer of body fat. Now, I am built

big, we look like we can get behind a mule and plow 40 acres then go

bear the children, make the food and clothes. I was wearing size

large at 180. Up till about 4 yrs ago I was in the gym every other

day, cardio up to lose weight pace, 1 to 1 and a half hours, then

went did weights big time, I like those muscles. I ate well, non

fat everything, no sugar, I don't like breads. In 7 yrs of that I

only lost 20 lbs, put me at 250. I looked like I had muscle, toned,

but still large. Just a couple weeks before all things thyroid were

found in me, I signed up to swim. I want to get back in cardio

health. If the lbs come off, that'a an extra benefit. I hope

getting thyroid levels right with meds does effect weight loss. I

hope it is my wacky thyroid that was making weight almost impossible

to lose.

I don't own a scale. One of the best decisions I've made, with a

teenage girl in the house. So I only know my weight when I go to

the doc and she wants to weigh me. A couple years ago, that was

only when I went in for my annual physical. May of '04 I had lost

40 lbs from the year before. Do all that exercise and eating well,

lose only 20 lbs. Do nothing and eat less well and lose 40. Go

figger. I think it was my thyroid going hyper. I also started

being a lot more warm, sweating. I thought it was hot flashes, doc

said it could be the extra weight making me warm. No, I'd been at

that weight for at least a year and the sweating/hot stuff had just

started. I think it was thyroid doing hyper stuff. But I was also

fatigued and my brain wasn't working good. Housework felt like a

calculus test. I had the unexplained weight gain but hyper signs at

the same time, diarrhea for a year and a half is the clencher for

hyper. I think I cycled hyper/hypo within a day sometimes. Anyhow,

I really want the weight to just come off now, like it did those

40lbs in one year (tho it might have just been months.) Then I want

my doc to notice it by having me weighed so I can go, " yeh, turns

out it was my thyroid. "

I was in the hospital in '99 for lung blood clots that had killed

lung. I had all the imaging known to humankind done to me. I

realized yesterday I could probably look at one of those imagings

and see how large my thyroid was, a little over 5 yrs ago. See how

long ago this puppy started getting sick.

jane

> here's a question for you topper & everyone:

>

> right now i weigh 172.8 lbs (afternoon dr's visit a few days

ago) at the beginning of may i weighed a few ounces shy of 200lbs.

that's a 27 lb or so loss. i am 5'4 and come from irish, german,

cherokee stock however i look incredibly irish. i am not stocky

however i have a sturdy frame (think jewel or renee zelwegger ) i

personally think all i can lose is 10 lbs or so more. right now you

can see my collar bones, upper ribs, and i have a line from my

breast bone to my pubic line for my abs... by all standards i am

still overweight but i do feel healthy at this weight... i would

like to be a little thinner to help against puffy days and to tone

up but other than that i am happy with how i look.

>

> even when i was almost 200 i still looked like i wasn't and the

only times i look heavy are when my face is swollen. so, what

should my ideal weight be? i know the 125lb goal is set by

insurance companies and that most women in america on average is

size 12, 145-160lbs.

>

> do you think docs should take genetics into account? and why

did they ever stop?? they take it into account for heart disease,

cholesterol, diabetes, etc. but not framing. what do you all think

of that???

>

> andrea

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,

I make my own soda with a gadget I bought through www.sodaclubusa.com. I've

used it for almost 2 years. I add carbonation to lots of things like my cold

tea, fruit juice, etc. Actually, I just love club soda and I drink lots and

lots of it every day. They sell soda mixes too, but I don't usually use them.

Risa

---- Teague wrote:

> ooooh and for those of you that love sodas but don't want the high fructose

corn syrup, you can actually buy carbonated fruit juice now (in the organic

section). many many varieties to choose from or you can make your own with

fruit juice & club soda... really really good. it's one way i kicked drinking

regular soda.

>

> andrea