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> son was put on the waiting-list at age 4 for government-funded IBI. He

> turned 6 and AGED OUT of the program while still on the waiting list.

>

> The government did NOTHING, just shrugged and said, " well, shit happens. "

That very nearly happened to here. Her son finally got the waiver at

age 7, and she had a very difficult time finding a program that would work

with him. They said he was too old.

The waiver in the US is a government-funded program that provides funds for

therapy for various disabilities, for any that don't know. Not all states,

or counties within states, have them. I know we have quite a few new people

here lately. :)

-Sara.

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> Great camping, low cost of living, and available IBI -- hmm, maybe we

should

> move to Canada.

>

> -Sara.

But NOT southern Ontario.

Southern Ontario boasts none of these things. :-(

There was a story recently in the Welland paper about a Welland family whose

son was put on the waiting-list at age 4 for government-funded IBI. He

turned 6 and AGED OUT of the program while still on the waiting list.

The government did NOTHING, just shrugged and said, " well, shit happens. "

:-(

Jacquie

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> Great camping, low cost of living, and available IBI -- hmm, maybe we

should

> move to Canada.

>

> -Sara.

But NOT southern Ontario.

Southern Ontario boasts none of these things. :-(

There was a story recently in the Welland paper about a Welland family whose

son was put on the waiting-list at age 4 for government-funded IBI. He

turned 6 and AGED OUT of the program while still on the waiting list.

The government did NOTHING, just shrugged and said, " well, shit happens. "

:-(

Jacquie

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we do love it here - despite all of our bitching about what a hole it is ;o)

certainly when we consider the distances those in southern ontario have to

drive to breathe in clean air and swim in clear lakes we feel very fortunate.

we spend alot of time camping at quetico park which is about an hour and a half

away from here. inevitably every year we meet torontonians or 905ers out there

who have planned this trip for years and drove 24 hours to get there!!

probably the biggest advantage is the cost of living. we can live very

comfortably here on one salary. we could never live on one income in the big

smoke! and then of course there is access to services. the two latest children

to start the IBI program here moved here from southern ontario where they would

have aged out on the waiting list. their families moved here because there were

openings their children could just walk right in to.

i am glad you like thunder bay! if you ever venture up north again look us up!

michelle mg

mg

> 68 is the warmest we ever put our thermostat to as well! we usually keep

it between 60 and 65. those americans don't know what cold is do they

jacquie!!!

> michelle mg

True, true. <grin>

I remember moving to Niagara from cottage country, and being bewildered when

everyone bitched about how cold it was and how bad the snow...-5c with slush

falling from the sky.

But THAT SAID...

One cloudy day in September 1995, I took a plane from Toronto to Thunder

Bay. I wore my shorts.

RIGHT.

LOL. Oh god, it was awful! I nearly froze in the taxi to the hotel... I

was travelling up there for a week doing college fairs with other ontario

college PR reps. We took a bus from Thunder Bay and did the whole northern

loop from Thunder Bay out to Wawa, Kap, Chapleau, and back to the Sault...

and at every damn place I wore the same cardigan over my flimsy Niagara

business suit! :-P I was NOT prepared.

Just an aside: at one of the little towns, I can't remember which one, I

had a student helping me with my display. We got to talking, and she said

how she and her mom would make a day trip into Thunder Bay to buy school

clothes every year, or just go shopping. Four hours to drive there, four

hours home. ONE DAY. Now, I was living in the Niagara Peninsula at that

time, and just stared at her openmouthed. I said, " Honey, if *I* have to

drive four hours to get somewhere, I'm staying for a WEEK! " And we both

stared at each other in shock, each thinking, " what - are you CRAZY?! " Talk

about culture shock!

I loved it up there, though. It was the first time I'd ever been so far

north. It's GLORIOUS. I'd move to Thunder Bay in a minute, if I wouldn't

miss my mom so damn much. :-)

Jacquie

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more isolated

areas, not the big cities. except montreal - i am told it is very cheap to

live there. as well, IBI is available in some of the smaller communities while

larger communities have huge waiting lists - the last i heard there were 700

children on the waiting list in the greater toronto area!

michelle mg

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Great camping, low cost of living, and available IBI -- hmm, maybe we should

move to Canada.

-Sara.

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I live in a 3 bedroom up and 2 bedrooms down. 2 baths.

Mine is worth 138,000.

I said that tonight to the kids that we should move to Thunder Bay and my

daughter said OK, said he would have to see it first.

Terry my so called husband which I am trying to get ex has family up there

and said to come up any time. I talk to them alot. Maybe I should.

Lori

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a three bedroom townhouse in thunder bay would run about 70 grand. we live

in a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom detached house about 1000 square feet and paid

$79000.

why is it you live in a bedroom community anyways - does marc work in

toronto?

michelle mg

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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I live in a 3 bedroom up and 2 bedrooms down. 2 baths.

Mine is worth 138,000.

I said that tonight to the kids that we should move to Thunder Bay and my

daughter said OK, said he would have to see it first.

Terry my so called husband which I am trying to get ex has family up there

and said to come up any time. I talk to them alot. Maybe I should.

Lori

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a three bedroom townhouse in thunder bay would run about 70 grand. we live

in a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom detached house about 1000 square feet and paid

$79000.

why is it you live in a bedroom community anyways - does marc work in

toronto?

michelle mg

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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I mentioned it to him and he really did not say no. I would love to be some

where that is cheaper then here.

Lori

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how would terry feel about you moving the kids though?

michelle mg

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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I mentioned it to him and he really did not say no. I would love to be some

where that is cheaper then here.

Lori

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how would terry feel about you moving the kids though?

michelle mg

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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a three bedroom townhouse in thunder bay would run about 70 grand. we live in a

3 bedroom 2 bathroom detached house about 1000 square feet and paid $79000.

why is it you live in a bedroom community anyways - does marc work in toronto?

michelle mg

Re: mg

> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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a three bedroom townhouse in thunder bay would run about 70 grand. we live in a

3 bedroom 2 bathroom detached house about 1000 square feet and paid $79000.

why is it you live in a bedroom community anyways - does marc work in toronto?

michelle mg

Re: mg

> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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a three bedroom townhouse in thunder bay would run about 70 grand. we live in a

3 bedroom 2 bathroom detached house about 1000 square feet and paid $79000.

why is it you live in a bedroom community anyways - does marc work in toronto?

michelle mg

Re: mg

> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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> why is it you live in a bedroom community anyways - does marc work in

toronto?

> michelle mg

Nope. It's a long pissy story, but the gist of it is that when Marc got off

the boats his parents pressured him to take a job here and move back here --

this is where he grew up. They promised all sorts of things, like how much

help they'd be with ...they did not babysit for him ONCE before THEY

moved away.

Jacquie

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> that's crummy!! where does marc work - is it a far commute or right in

tottenham?

> michelle mg

He works right here, about 6 blocks away.

He makes a Tottenham (read: small town) salary and we pay a Toronto

mortgage. I just dont get it.

Jacquie

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> that's crummy!! where does marc work - is it a far commute or right in

tottenham?

> michelle mg

He works right here, about 6 blocks away.

He makes a Tottenham (read: small town) salary and we pay a Toronto

mortgage. I just dont get it.

Jacquie

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> that's crummy!! where does marc work - is it a far commute or right in

tottenham?

> michelle mg

He works right here, about 6 blocks away.

He makes a Tottenham (read: small town) salary and we pay a Toronto

mortgage. I just dont get it.

Jacquie

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how would terry feel about you moving the kids though?

michelle mg

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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how would terry feel about you moving the kids though?

michelle mg

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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how would terry feel about you moving the kids though?

michelle mg

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> low cost of living isn't a cross canada thing - just some of the more

isolated areas, not the big cities.

Or the bedroom communities of the big cities. :-(

I nearly died of shock at my mom's this week, looking thru real estate

listings. My three-bedroom three-bath 1200sq ft townhouse would sell for

about $158,000 here -- that's what the neighbors on either side just sold

their smaller models for. In my hometown, the SAME house is $80,000!!!

Nearly peed my pants.

Jacquie

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