Re: Topper, someone, please help with test results...

[Guest guest]

It got your full printout too, ...

BUN if I remember right... has to do with cell proteins... and ties in with the high antibodies... If anyone is current on that please jump in!

Antiboides are still high... so no doubts there at all...

The hormones... TSH way to high... Free T4 is higher in it's range than the Free T3 is in its.. so I see conversion problems... but your dose is too low...

Run your dose and med type by us again... and what your doc said? Or are you going through health check to do this on your own??

You definitely need to get that TSH down and those Ts up..... that will help bring the antibodies down... and you'll be feeling better.....

Topper ()

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:08:39 -0000 "" writes:

These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please tell me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much! SpikerTucson AZ Tests Results Units Reference BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26 BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291 TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 - 5.500 Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 - 4.2T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 - 1.76Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 - 34 **Verified by repeat analysis**Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 - 40

[Guest guest]

hey Topper, thanks!

My doc says that the 150 mcgs is enough and doesnt seem to think

theres an issue with my TSH bouncing up and down everytime i have my

labs drawn..over the past 6 months, it has been 5.3, 2.5, 5.4, 2.6,

and now 5.7....i knew something was wrong, because i feel like crud

when they are high and better when they are low...these latest

results I did through healthcheck on my own because my doc doesnt

check anti bodies and free t's. I have been taking 200 mcgs of

levoxyl (I upped it own my on cause doc wouldnt) also take 200mcg of

selenium daily to help with conversion.....i only started taking

that 6 weeks ago though....makes me wonder what my conversion rates

were before...hhhhmmm.......ok, so maybe I should up my selenium to

400 and should i up my levoxyl too? I have the bovine thyroid but it

is capsules so cant break up....thought about just taking one of

those along with 150 mcgs of levoxyl....tell me what you think...and

thanks for all the help.....

Spiker

Tucson

>

> It got your full printout too, ...

>

> BUN if I remember right... has to do with cell proteins... and

ties in

> with the high antibodies... If anyone is current on that please

jump in!

>

> Antiboides are still high... so no doubts there at all...

>

> The hormones... TSH way to high... Free T4 is higher in it's range

than

> the Free T3 is in its.. so I see conversion problems... but your

dose is

> too low...

>

> Run your dose and med type by us again... and what your doc said?

Or are

> you going through health check to do this on your own??

>

> You definitely need to get that TSH down and those Ts up..... that

will

> help bring the antibodies down... and you'll be feeling better.....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:08:39 -0000 " "

> writes:

> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please

tell

> me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the

> Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!

>

> Spiker

> Tucson AZ

>

> Tests Results Units

Reference

>

>

> BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26

> BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27

> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

> TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 - 5.500

> Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 - 4.2

> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 - 1.76

> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 - 34

**Verified

> by repeat analysis**

> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 - 40

>

[Guest guest]

hey Topper, thanks!

My doc says that the 150 mcgs is enough and doesnt seem to think

theres an issue with my TSH bouncing up and down everytime i have my

labs drawn..over the past 6 months, it has been 5.3, 2.5, 5.4, 2.6,

and now 5.7....i knew something was wrong, because i feel like crud

when they are high and better when they are low...these latest

results I did through healthcheck on my own because my doc doesnt

check anti bodies and free t's. I have been taking 200 mcgs of

levoxyl (I upped it own my on cause doc wouldnt) also take 200mcg of

selenium daily to help with conversion.....i only started taking

that 6 weeks ago though....makes me wonder what my conversion rates

were before...hhhhmmm.......ok, so maybe I should up my selenium to

400 and should i up my levoxyl too? I have the bovine thyroid but it

is capsules so cant break up....thought about just taking one of

those along with 150 mcgs of levoxyl....tell me what you think...and

thanks for all the help.....

Spiker

Tucson

>

> It got your full printout too, ...

>

> BUN if I remember right... has to do with cell proteins... and

ties in

> with the high antibodies... If anyone is current on that please

jump in!

>

> Antiboides are still high... so no doubts there at all...

>

> The hormones... TSH way to high... Free T4 is higher in it's range

than

> the Free T3 is in its.. so I see conversion problems... but your

dose is

> too low...

>

> Run your dose and med type by us again... and what your doc said?

Or are

> you going through health check to do this on your own??

>

> You definitely need to get that TSH down and those Ts up..... that

will

> help bring the antibodies down... and you'll be feeling better.....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:08:39 -0000 " "

> writes:

> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please

tell

> me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the

> Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!

>

> Spiker

> Tucson AZ

>

> Tests Results Units

Reference

>

>

> BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26

> BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27

> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

> TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 - 5.500

> Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 - 4.2

> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 - 1.76

> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 - 34

**Verified

> by repeat analysis**

> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 - 40

>

[Guest guest]

two words...

second opinion

andrea

Re: Topper, someone, please help with test results...

hey Topper, thanks!My doc says that the 150 mcgs is enough and doesnt seem to think theres an issue with my TSH bouncing up and down everytime i have my labs drawn..over the past 6 months, it has been 5.3, 2.5, 5.4, 2.6, and now 5.7....i knew something was wrong, because i feel like crud when they are high and better when they are low...these latest results I did through healthcheck on my own because my doc doesnt check anti bodies and free t's. I have been taking 200 mcgs of levoxyl (I upped it own my on cause doc wouldnt) also take 200mcg of selenium daily to help with conversion.....i only started taking that 6 weeks ago though....makes me wonder what my conversion rates were before...hhhhmmm.......ok, so maybe I should up my selenium to 400 and should i up my levoxyl too? I have the bovine thyroid but it is capsules so cant break up....thought about just taking one of those along with 150 mcgs of levoxyl....tell me what you think...and thanks for all the help..... SpikerTucson>> It got your full printout too, ...> > BUN if I remember right... has to do with cell proteins... and ties in> with the high antibodies... If anyone is current on that please jump in!> > Antiboides are still high... so no doubts there at all...> > The hormones... TSH way to high... Free T4 is higher in it's range than> the Free T3 is in its.. so I see conversion problems... but your dose is> too low... > > Run your dose and med type by us again... and what your doc said? Or are> you going through health check to do this on your own??> > You definitely need to get that TSH down and those Ts up..... that will> help bring the antibodies down... and you'll be feeling better.....> > Topper ()> > On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:08:39 -0000 "" > writes:> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please tell > me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the > Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!> > Spiker> Tucson AZ> > Tests Results Units Reference > > > BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26 > BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291 > TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 - 5.500 > Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 - 4.2> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 - 1.76> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 - 34 **Verified> by repeat analysis**> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 - 40>

[Guest guest]

two words...

second opinion

andrea

Re: Topper, someone, please help with test results...

hey Topper, thanks!My doc says that the 150 mcgs is enough and doesnt seem to think theres an issue with my TSH bouncing up and down everytime i have my labs drawn..over the past 6 months, it has been 5.3, 2.5, 5.4, 2.6, and now 5.7....i knew something was wrong, because i feel like crud when they are high and better when they are low...these latest results I did through healthcheck on my own because my doc doesnt check anti bodies and free t's. I have been taking 200 mcgs of levoxyl (I upped it own my on cause doc wouldnt) also take 200mcg of selenium daily to help with conversion.....i only started taking that 6 weeks ago though....makes me wonder what my conversion rates were before...hhhhmmm.......ok, so maybe I should up my selenium to 400 and should i up my levoxyl too? I have the bovine thyroid but it is capsules so cant break up....thought about just taking one of those along with 150 mcgs of levoxyl....tell me what you think...and thanks for all the help..... SpikerTucson>> It got your full printout too, ...> > BUN if I remember right... has to do with cell proteins... and ties in> with the high antibodies... If anyone is current on that please jump in!> > Antiboides are still high... so no doubts there at all...> > The hormones... TSH way to high... Free T4 is higher in it's range than> the Free T3 is in its.. so I see conversion problems... but your dose is> too low... > > Run your dose and med type by us again... and what your doc said? Or are> you going through health check to do this on your own??> > You definitely need to get that TSH down and those Ts up..... that will> help bring the antibodies down... and you'll be feeling better.....> > Topper ()> > On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:08:39 -0000 "" > writes:> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please tell > me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the > Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!> > Spiker> Tucson AZ> > Tests Results Units Reference > > > BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26 > BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291 > TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 - 5.500 > Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 - 4.2> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 - 1.76> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 - 34 **Verified> by repeat analysis**> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 - 40>

[Guest guest]

two words...

second opinion

andrea

Re: Topper, someone, please help with test results...

hey Topper, thanks!My doc says that the 150 mcgs is enough and doesnt seem to think theres an issue with my TSH bouncing up and down everytime i have my labs drawn..over the past 6 months, it has been 5.3, 2.5, 5.4, 2.6, and now 5.7....i knew something was wrong, because i feel like crud when they are high and better when they are low...these latest results I did through healthcheck on my own because my doc doesnt check anti bodies and free t's. I have been taking 200 mcgs of levoxyl (I upped it own my on cause doc wouldnt) also take 200mcg of selenium daily to help with conversion.....i only started taking that 6 weeks ago though....makes me wonder what my conversion rates were before...hhhhmmm.......ok, so maybe I should up my selenium to 400 and should i up my levoxyl too? I have the bovine thyroid but it is capsules so cant break up....thought about just taking one of those along with 150 mcgs of levoxyl....tell me what you think...and thanks for all the help..... SpikerTucson>> It got your full printout too, ...> > BUN if I remember right... has to do with cell proteins... and ties in> with the high antibodies... If anyone is current on that please jump in!> > Antiboides are still high... so no doubts there at all...> > The hormones... TSH way to high... Free T4 is higher in it's range than> the Free T3 is in its.. so I see conversion problems... but your dose is> too low... > > Run your dose and med type by us again... and what your doc said? Or are> you going through health check to do this on your own??> > You definitely need to get that TSH down and those Ts up..... that will> help bring the antibodies down... and you'll be feeling better.....> > Topper ()> > On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:08:39 -0000 "" > writes:> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please tell > me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the > Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!> > Spiker> Tucson AZ> > Tests Results Units Reference > > > BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26 > BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291 > TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 - 5.500 > Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 - 4.2> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 - 1.76> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 - 34 **Verified> by repeat analysis**> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 - 40>

[Guest guest]

Bovine capsules.... from Nutri-Meds? They are equal to a bit over a half grain of Armour... That's based on my own experimentation with the various products... So it's not a scientific quantification....

You need your T3 up.... natural thyroid is gonna do that.. the synthetic T4 won't....

Your symptoms in relation to the fluctuating TSH.. that fits hand in glove.... and as long as the TSH is fluctuating that much you know it's the antibodies and that means that they are still working on destroying your gland....

The gland will die eventually, its not that anything, based on what is known at this point about Hashi's and glands and such, to do much about that... but you can slow how much is destroyed... but more important.. controlling the fluctuation of the antibodies will make your thyroid hormones more stable... and give you a better balance in how you feel.... no swinging from crappy to good only to go back to crappy again.

Poopy doc for not understanding how that works....

To start... to see how your body responds.... maybe a capsule every other day for a couple of weeks.. to see how your body reacts.... doing that on top of the T4 that you are on now....

Conversion.... I do 400 mcg of Selenium a day.. seems to make me a bit more even..... but remember, don't go over that 400.. you're squirting with toxicity dangers when you are taking too much for too long... 600 for two weeks is the number they give for danger.

Suggestion? Break up the Selenium... take it several times a day, not all at once.... just a gut feeling of mine that doing it a few times a day, rather than once, leaves a bit more available at any one time to allow for a better conversion rate.

Also important to help with conversion is how you eat.... small meals eaten every three hours or so... it will keep your energy up better... and provides more consistent energy levels for conversion....

... and you've reduced your intake of soy and cut out High Fructose Corn Syrup? The article I read on HFCS says that it actually blocks conversion... for healthy folks that means increasing the stress and potential damage to their glands... to us it just means more and worse hypo symptoms cuz we can't make the T3 that we need to function.

Suppressing that TSH, reducing thyroid gland activity... that's gonna bring those antibody levels down and smooth out that roller coaster... I'd try for it.... even if he won't help.

IMHO, of course.

I picked through your lab sheet again... both your Iron and Ferritn are really low:

Iron, Serum 48 ug/dL 35 - 155 !PD!

Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

Getting that up is going to improve how your body is utilizing hormone and help with your fatigue... Ferritin is storage iron... You can increase both by adding and additional iron supplement... You'll have to take it separate from your thyroid hormone, remember, as it binds with thyroid hormone making it unusable... Assuming that you take the T4 in the morning, on an empty stomach... and might choose to take the capsule later in the day... I'd take the iron at night... How much are you taking now?

Oh.. the thyroid capsule... if you can handle it, you'll get better absorption if you dump the powder out of the gelatin capsules and put it under your tongue.. don't know how it would taste... I might give it a try, I have some of the capsules here (Nutri-meds)... sent to me to play with....

When you had the blood draw... how long had it been since your last dose of thyroid and your last meal?

Topper ()

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:58:50 -0000 "" writes:

hey Topper, thanks!My doc says that the 150 mcgs is enough and doesnt seem to think theres an issue with my TSH bouncing up and down everytime i have my labs drawn..over the past 6 months, it has been 5.3, 2.5, 5.4, 2.6, and now 5.7....i knew something was wrong, because i feel like crud when they are high and better when they are low...these latest results I did through healthcheck on my own because my doc doesnt check anti bodies and free t's. I have been taking 200 mcgs of levoxyl (I upped it own my on cause doc wouldnt) also take 200mcg of selenium daily to help with conversion.....i only started taking that 6 weeks ago though....makes me wonder what my conversion rates were before...hhhhmmm.......ok, so maybe I should up my selenium to 400 and should i up my levoxyl too? I have the bovine thyroid but it is capsules so cant break up....thought about just taking one of those along with 150 mcgs of levoxyl....tell me what you think...and thanks for all the help..... SpikerTucson

[Guest guest]

Bovine capsules.... from Nutri-Meds? They are equal to a bit over a half grain of Armour... That's based on my own experimentation with the various products... So it's not a scientific quantification....

You need your T3 up.... natural thyroid is gonna do that.. the synthetic T4 won't....

Your symptoms in relation to the fluctuating TSH.. that fits hand in glove.... and as long as the TSH is fluctuating that much you know it's the antibodies and that means that they are still working on destroying your gland....

The gland will die eventually, its not that anything, based on what is known at this point about Hashi's and glands and such, to do much about that... but you can slow how much is destroyed... but more important.. controlling the fluctuation of the antibodies will make your thyroid hormones more stable... and give you a better balance in how you feel.... no swinging from crappy to good only to go back to crappy again.

Poopy doc for not understanding how that works....

To start... to see how your body responds.... maybe a capsule every other day for a couple of weeks.. to see how your body reacts.... doing that on top of the T4 that you are on now....

Conversion.... I do 400 mcg of Selenium a day.. seems to make me a bit more even..... but remember, don't go over that 400.. you're squirting with toxicity dangers when you are taking too much for too long... 600 for two weeks is the number they give for danger.

Suggestion? Break up the Selenium... take it several times a day, not all at once.... just a gut feeling of mine that doing it a few times a day, rather than once, leaves a bit more available at any one time to allow for a better conversion rate.

Also important to help with conversion is how you eat.... small meals eaten every three hours or so... it will keep your energy up better... and provides more consistent energy levels for conversion....

... and you've reduced your intake of soy and cut out High Fructose Corn Syrup? The article I read on HFCS says that it actually blocks conversion... for healthy folks that means increasing the stress and potential damage to their glands... to us it just means more and worse hypo symptoms cuz we can't make the T3 that we need to function.

Suppressing that TSH, reducing thyroid gland activity... that's gonna bring those antibody levels down and smooth out that roller coaster... I'd try for it.... even if he won't help.

IMHO, of course.

I picked through your lab sheet again... both your Iron and Ferritn are really low:

Iron, Serum 48 ug/dL 35 - 155 !PD!

Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

Getting that up is going to improve how your body is utilizing hormone and help with your fatigue... Ferritin is storage iron... You can increase both by adding and additional iron supplement... You'll have to take it separate from your thyroid hormone, remember, as it binds with thyroid hormone making it unusable... Assuming that you take the T4 in the morning, on an empty stomach... and might choose to take the capsule later in the day... I'd take the iron at night... How much are you taking now?

Oh.. the thyroid capsule... if you can handle it, you'll get better absorption if you dump the powder out of the gelatin capsules and put it under your tongue.. don't know how it would taste... I might give it a try, I have some of the capsules here (Nutri-meds)... sent to me to play with....

When you had the blood draw... how long had it been since your last dose of thyroid and your last meal?

Topper ()

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:58:50 -0000 "" writes:

hey Topper, thanks!My doc says that the 150 mcgs is enough and doesnt seem to think theres an issue with my TSH bouncing up and down everytime i have my labs drawn..over the past 6 months, it has been 5.3, 2.5, 5.4, 2.6, and now 5.7....i knew something was wrong, because i feel like crud when they are high and better when they are low...these latest results I did through healthcheck on my own because my doc doesnt check anti bodies and free t's. I have been taking 200 mcgs of levoxyl (I upped it own my on cause doc wouldnt) also take 200mcg of selenium daily to help with conversion.....i only started taking that 6 weeks ago though....makes me wonder what my conversion rates were before...hhhhmmm.......ok, so maybe I should up my selenium to 400 and should i up my levoxyl too? I have the bovine thyroid but it is capsules so cant break up....thought about just taking one of those along with 150 mcgs of levoxyl....tell me what you think...and thanks for all the help..... SpikerTucson

[Guest guest]

Good two words, ..

.... and ... the results you got from Health Check.. you can take those to a doc for him to see... they are legit lab results and they even recommend taking the results to your doc for 'medical review'.. so it would give you a jump start on checking out other docs in that you'd actually have results to show him......

Topper ()

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:06:04 -0500 " Teague" writes:

two words...

second opinion

andrea

[Guest guest]

Good two words, ..

.... and ... the results you got from Health Check.. you can take those to a doc for him to see... they are legit lab results and they even recommend taking the results to your doc for 'medical review'.. so it would give you a jump start on checking out other docs in that you'd actually have results to show him......

Topper ()

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:06:04 -0500 " Teague" writes:

two words...

second opinion

andrea

[Guest guest]

Good two words, ..

.... and ... the results you got from Health Check.. you can take those to a doc for him to see... they are legit lab results and they even recommend taking the results to your doc for 'medical review'.. so it would give you a jump start on checking out other docs in that you'd actually have results to show him......

Topper ()

On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:06:04 -0500 " Teague" writes:

two words...

second opinion

andrea

[Guest guest]

The BUN is the Blood Urea Nitrogen, which has to do with processing in the

kidney. Those two antibodies are high, meaning that you have Hashi's

antibodies in very high #s, particularly for the antibody against your

Thyroid Peroxidase, which is the substance that goes into the making of the

actual thyroid hormone. Your TSH being high means that your thyroid is

being stimulated to produce more thyroid hormone, and for Hashi's victims,

this is an absolute no-no. You want that TSH to calm down to probably less

than 1, IMO, to keep your natural thyroid from being stiumulated by

anything. This is because every time a Hashi's gland begins to make more of

it's own hormone, the antibody is there to come against it. Thus, further

destruction and feeling even more like crap, possibly forming nodules or a

" hardened " enlarged OR shrunken thyroid. Now as long as you are taking

hormone from the outside, the shrinking wouldn't matter, but if you form

nodules and such, or have a PERMANENTLY enlarged and hardened thyroid, it

will permanently be that size, if it hardens in that position,

etc...etc...An long ongoing Hashi's gland has more of a chance of forming

nodules and even thyroid cancer than other forms of autoimmune thyroid

disease. That's why you want a LOW TSH, with little or no stimulation to

the thyroid itself. Your T3 is soooo comparatively low to your T4, that

it's looking like you don't have very much conversion to T3 from T4. Please

refresh my memory, are you taking T4 only or Armour. This lab picture LOOKS

like you are taking T4 only, and are a poor converter, IMO, because of this

average T4, with very little T3 to compare to that.

Topper, someone, please help with test

results...

> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please tell

> me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the

> Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!

>

> Spiker

> Tucson AZ

>

>

> Tests Results Units Reference

>

>

> BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26

> BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27

> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

> TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 -

> 5.500

> Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 -

> 4.2

> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 -

> 1.76

> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 -

> 34 **Verified by repeat analysis**

> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 -

> 40

[Guest guest]

The BUN is the Blood Urea Nitrogen, which has to do with processing in the

kidney. Those two antibodies are high, meaning that you have Hashi's

antibodies in very high #s, particularly for the antibody against your

Thyroid Peroxidase, which is the substance that goes into the making of the

actual thyroid hormone. Your TSH being high means that your thyroid is

being stimulated to produce more thyroid hormone, and for Hashi's victims,

this is an absolute no-no. You want that TSH to calm down to probably less

than 1, IMO, to keep your natural thyroid from being stiumulated by

anything. This is because every time a Hashi's gland begins to make more of

it's own hormone, the antibody is there to come against it. Thus, further

destruction and feeling even more like crap, possibly forming nodules or a

" hardened " enlarged OR shrunken thyroid. Now as long as you are taking

hormone from the outside, the shrinking wouldn't matter, but if you form

nodules and such, or have a PERMANENTLY enlarged and hardened thyroid, it

will permanently be that size, if it hardens in that position,

etc...etc...An long ongoing Hashi's gland has more of a chance of forming

nodules and even thyroid cancer than other forms of autoimmune thyroid

disease. That's why you want a LOW TSH, with little or no stimulation to

the thyroid itself. Your T3 is soooo comparatively low to your T4, that

it's looking like you don't have very much conversion to T3 from T4. Please

refresh my memory, are you taking T4 only or Armour. This lab picture LOOKS

like you are taking T4 only, and are a poor converter, IMO, because of this

average T4, with very little T3 to compare to that.

Topper, someone, please help with test

results...

> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please tell

> me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the

> Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!

>

> Spiker

> Tucson AZ

>

>

> Tests Results Units Reference

>

>

> BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26

> BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27

> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

> TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 -

> 5.500

> Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 -

> 4.2

> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 -

> 1.76

> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 -

> 34 **Verified by repeat analysis**

> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 -

> 40

[Guest guest]

The BUN is the Blood Urea Nitrogen, which has to do with processing in the

kidney. Those two antibodies are high, meaning that you have Hashi's

antibodies in very high #s, particularly for the antibody against your

Thyroid Peroxidase, which is the substance that goes into the making of the

actual thyroid hormone. Your TSH being high means that your thyroid is

being stimulated to produce more thyroid hormone, and for Hashi's victims,

this is an absolute no-no. You want that TSH to calm down to probably less

than 1, IMO, to keep your natural thyroid from being stiumulated by

anything. This is because every time a Hashi's gland begins to make more of

it's own hormone, the antibody is there to come against it. Thus, further

destruction and feeling even more like crap, possibly forming nodules or a

" hardened " enlarged OR shrunken thyroid. Now as long as you are taking

hormone from the outside, the shrinking wouldn't matter, but if you form

nodules and such, or have a PERMANENTLY enlarged and hardened thyroid, it

will permanently be that size, if it hardens in that position,

etc...etc...An long ongoing Hashi's gland has more of a chance of forming

nodules and even thyroid cancer than other forms of autoimmune thyroid

disease. That's why you want a LOW TSH, with little or no stimulation to

the thyroid itself. Your T3 is soooo comparatively low to your T4, that

it's looking like you don't have very much conversion to T3 from T4. Please

refresh my memory, are you taking T4 only or Armour. This lab picture LOOKS

like you are taking T4 only, and are a poor converter, IMO, because of this

average T4, with very little T3 to compare to that.

Topper, someone, please help with test

results...

> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please tell

> me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the

> Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!

>

> Spiker

> Tucson AZ

>

>

> Tests Results Units Reference

>

>

> BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26

> BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27

> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

> TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 -

> 5.500

> Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 -

> 4.2

> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 -

> 1.76

> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 -

> 34 **Verified by repeat analysis**

> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 -

> 40

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for the information. I have suspected for some

time that i had Hashis but doc would never do antibodies test....so,

now I have something to take to her and show her.....maybe now she

will believe me. yes, I have been taking T4 only and she said that

was enough....shes just a gp and doesnt appear to know a lot about

thyroid disease.....I am trying to get an endo that knows about

thyroid disease....aint easy finding a good one with this insurance

i have...oh well, at least I have insurance....that surely helps....

Spiker

Tucson AZ

>

>

>

> The BUN is the Blood Urea Nitrogen, which has to do with

processing in the

> kidney. Those two antibodies are high, meaning that you have

Hashi's

> antibodies in very high #s, particularly for the antibody against

your

> Thyroid Peroxidase, which is the substance that goes into the

making of the

> actual thyroid hormone. Your TSH being high means that your

thyroid is

> being stimulated to produce more thyroid hormone, and for Hashi's

victims,

> this is an absolute no-no. You want that TSH to calm down to

probably less

> than 1, IMO, to keep your natural thyroid from being stiumulated by

> anything. This is because every time a Hashi's gland begins to

make more of

> it's own hormone, the antibody is there to come against it. Thus,

further

> destruction and feeling even more like crap, possibly forming

nodules or a

> " hardened " enlarged OR shrunken thyroid. Now as long as you are

taking

> hormone from the outside, the shrinking wouldn't matter, but if

you form

> nodules and such, or have a PERMANENTLY enlarged and hardened

thyroid, it

> will permanently be that size, if it hardens in that position,

> etc...etc...An long ongoing Hashi's gland has more of a chance of

forming

> nodules and even thyroid cancer than other forms of autoimmune

thyroid

> disease. That's why you want a LOW TSH, with little or no

stimulation to

> the thyroid itself. Your T3 is soooo comparatively low to your

T4, that

> it's looking like you don't have very much conversion to T3 from

T4. Please

> refresh my memory, are you taking T4 only or Armour. This lab

picture LOOKS

> like you are taking T4 only, and are a poor converter, IMO,

because of this

> average T4, with very little T3 to compare to that.

>

>

>

> Topper, someone, please help

with test

> results...

>

>

> > These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please

tell

> > me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the

> > Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!

> >

> > Spiker

> > Tucson AZ

> >

> >

> > Tests Results Units

Reference

> >

> >

> > BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 -

26

> > BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27

> > Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

> > TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL

0.350 -

> > 5.500

> > Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL

2.3 -

> > 4.2

> > T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL

0.61 -

> > 1.76

> > Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H

IU/mL 0 -

> > 34 **Verified by repeat analysis**

> > Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H

IU/mL 0 -

> > 40

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for the information. I have suspected for some

time that i had Hashis but doc would never do antibodies test....so,

now I have something to take to her and show her.....maybe now she

will believe me. yes, I have been taking T4 only and she said that

was enough....shes just a gp and doesnt appear to know a lot about

thyroid disease.....I am trying to get an endo that knows about

thyroid disease....aint easy finding a good one with this insurance

i have...oh well, at least I have insurance....that surely helps....

Spiker

Tucson AZ

>

>

>

> The BUN is the Blood Urea Nitrogen, which has to do with

processing in the

> kidney. Those two antibodies are high, meaning that you have

Hashi's

> antibodies in very high #s, particularly for the antibody against

your

> Thyroid Peroxidase, which is the substance that goes into the

making of the

> actual thyroid hormone. Your TSH being high means that your

thyroid is

> being stimulated to produce more thyroid hormone, and for Hashi's

victims,

> this is an absolute no-no. You want that TSH to calm down to

probably less

> than 1, IMO, to keep your natural thyroid from being stiumulated by

> anything. This is because every time a Hashi's gland begins to

make more of

> it's own hormone, the antibody is there to come against it. Thus,

further

> destruction and feeling even more like crap, possibly forming

nodules or a

> " hardened " enlarged OR shrunken thyroid. Now as long as you are

taking

> hormone from the outside, the shrinking wouldn't matter, but if

you form

> nodules and such, or have a PERMANENTLY enlarged and hardened

thyroid, it

> will permanently be that size, if it hardens in that position,

> etc...etc...An long ongoing Hashi's gland has more of a chance of

forming

> nodules and even thyroid cancer than other forms of autoimmune

thyroid

> disease. That's why you want a LOW TSH, with little or no

stimulation to

> the thyroid itself. Your T3 is soooo comparatively low to your

T4, that

> it's looking like you don't have very much conversion to T3 from

T4. Please

> refresh my memory, are you taking T4 only or Armour. This lab

picture LOOKS

> like you are taking T4 only, and are a poor converter, IMO,

because of this

> average T4, with very little T3 to compare to that.

>

>

>

> Topper, someone, please help

with test

> results...

>

>

> > These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please

tell

> > me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the

> > Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!

> >

> > Spiker

> > Tucson AZ

> >

> >

> > Tests Results Units

Reference

> >

> >

> > BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 -

26

> > BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27

> > Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

> > TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL

0.350 -

> > 5.500

> > Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL

2.3 -

> > 4.2

> > T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL

0.61 -

> > 1.76

> > Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H

IU/mL 0 -

> > 34 **Verified by repeat analysis**

> > Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H

IU/mL 0 -

> > 40

>

[Guest guest]

The BUN test is primarily used, along with the creatinine test, to

evaluate kidney function under a wide range of circumstances and to

monitor patients with acute or chronic kidney dysfunction or

failure. It also may be used to evaluate a person's general health

status when ordered as part of a basic metabolic panel (BMP) or

comprehensive metabolic panel (CMP).

Gossimer

>

> It got your full printout too, ...

>

> BUN if I remember right... has to do with cell proteins... and

ties in

> with the high antibodies... If anyone is current on that please

jump in!

>

> Antiboides are still high... so no doubts there at all...

>

> The hormones... TSH way to high... Free T4 is higher in it's range

than

> the Free T3 is in its.. so I see conversion problems... but your

dose is

> too low...

>

> Run your dose and med type by us again... and what your doc said?

Or are

> you going through health check to do this on your own??

>

> You definitely need to get that TSH down and those Ts up..... that

will

> help bring the antibodies down... and you'll be feeling better.....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:08:39 -0000 " "

> writes:

> These are the ones that were out of line...can some one please

tell

> me what this means? Especially the Thyroid Peroxidase and the

> Antithyroglobulin. Thanks so much!

>

> Spiker

> Tucson AZ

>

> Tests Results Units

Reference

>

>

> BUN 4 L mg/dL 5 - 26

> BUN/Creatinine Ratio 6 L 8 - 27

> Ferritin, Serum 7 L ng/mL 10 - 291

> TSH 5.775 H uIU/mL 0.350 - 5.500

> Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 2.9 pg/mL 2.3 - 4.2

> T4,Free(Direct) 1.18 ng/dL 0.61 - 1.76

> Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 1,835 H IU/mL 0 - 34

**Verified

> by repeat analysis**

> Antithyroglobulin Ab 103 H IU/mL 0 - 40

>