Re: What I learned in Louisiana

[Guest guest]

WOW! Sounds like you recieved on hell of an edumucation down there.

Was there any CISM effort underway for those of you down there? I am

wondering that the stance on CISM is from the feds.

Tater

A P wrote:

What I learned in Louisiana............hmmm

1. Dead bodies can take more forms than what I ever thought imaginable. I was

attached to the 82ND Airborne doing search and rescue/recovery.

2. No matter where you are at the calls are all the same. Many agencies

requested help due to the rise in population or loss of personnel and equipment.

Our crews rotated in and out of these places helping run the daily operations.

And though there names changed from and Chuck to Thibeadoux and Beaudroux

you still ran the " I stumped my toe, My girlfriend left me so I wanna die, and

on and on. " I am not willing yet to throw myself to the wolfs I'll let Gene

keep up with the scenarios. Most calls ran in N.O. by our crews where

headaches, sinus problems, and pedal edema.

3. Most of all something that I have brought home with me is the " family " that

I worked with down there. We had people from all different parts of the states

in our small realm if you will. We had folks from New York, Washington, Oregon,

California, Arizona, and the list goes on. All from diverse backgrounds,

different protocols, and not once did we try to eat each other. We learned from

each other. We asked questions on how well things worked in their area and

offered advice on how things may work better. We were without our comfort

things, soda's, smokes, chocolate, home cooked meals, Internet, hell modern

technology for the biggest part. And with all of these things not being readily

available like we are used to you know there where a bunch of us tripping. But

no matter we still made sure we could help in every way we could. If someone

got a care package from home with soda, you bet that hot soda pop was the treat

of the day. And no matter how bad you were jonesing

you knew the next person was too. We had one guy lose all his do-alls,(socks,

underwear, and so forth) and by the next morning he had more do-alls than what

he knew to do with. We came together and made it work. On this list, it isn't

like that. The flame throwers are always on stand bye ready to flame.

4. I learned Natural Disasters are cluster fucks. The right hand didn't know

what the left hand was doing and both tried going opposite directions. We had

issue's of what level of care the out of staters would be delivering. I say if

it's good enough in my state it should be good enough in yours. But I also

believe we should all get on the same page. Someone earlier said something

about a national standard and isn't National Registry good enough for that?

That's what I want to know too. Call me overly simple but beings it is

" NATIONAL Registry " doesn't that mean it is nationally excepted? The guys in

the big white house need to figure out something for EMS and do it quickly. We

have D-MAT and thank God for those guys, but we need something set up for EMS

and Fire and Police.

That is all I can think about right now. I'm sure will come to me in my brief

moments of sleep. Though I don't know every person on this list they are my

family and it's about time we had a big ol family hug and started acting like

one.

" Good friendships are fragile things and require as much care as any other

fragile and precious thing. " Randolph Bourne

Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened!!!

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Interesting!

So, the Feds are still on the CISM bandwagon apparently, or was this the

locals?

Tater

wrote:

, as a matter of fact they did have " debriefing " for us. We

were supposed to be assessed by the doc and see the Chaplin before we

left every time. IC slacked off on that for those who were traveling

back and forth. They decided that if you were not gone for more than

48 hours you didn't have to do all the exit paper work. Now that

they are in their last efforts I don't think any one has been

debriefed since um probably early November. Now I could be wrong in

that but I don't think. I don't even remember seeing the Chaplin.

Now Jimmy Swaggart was just across the parking lot on Sunday

mornings. I'm sure for a small fee he would have debreafed

us....lol. Oh wait he was already getting that fee. He made 50

thousand a month for us to sleep in a crusty old molded, mildewed

room with a unisex bathroom... That was horrible.......

NAG

In , " E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

>

> WOW! Sounds like you recieved on hell of an edumucation down

there.

>

> Was there any CISM effort underway for those of you down there?

I am wondering that the stance on CISM is from the feds.

>

>

> Tater

>

>

> A P <rookie_sis@y...> wrote:

>

> What I learned in Louisiana............hmmm

> 1. Dead bodies can take more forms than what I ever thought

imaginable. I was attached to the 82ND Airborne doing search and

rescue/recovery.

>

> 2. No matter where you are at the calls are all the same. Many

agencies requested help due to the rise in population or loss of

personnel and equipment. Our crews rotated in and out of these

places helping run the daily operations. And though there names

changed from and Chuck to Thibeadoux and Beaudroux you still ran

the " I stumped my toe, My girlfriend left me so I wanna die, and on

and on. " I am not willing yet to throw myself to the wolfs I'll let

Gene keep up with the scenarios. Most calls ran in N.O. by our crews

where headaches, sinus problems, and pedal edema.

>

> 3. Most of all something that I have brought home with me is

the " family " that I worked with down there. We had people from all

different parts of the states in our small realm if you will. We had

folks from New York, Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, and the

list goes on. All from diverse backgrounds, different protocols, and

not once did we try to eat each other. We learned from each other.

We asked questions on how well things worked in their area and

offered advice on how things may work better. We were without our

comfort things, soda's, smokes, chocolate, home cooked meals,

Internet, hell modern technology for the biggest part. And with all

of these things not being readily available like we are used to you

know there where a bunch of us tripping. But no matter we still made

sure we could help in every way we could. If someone got a care

package from home with soda, you bet that hot soda pop was the treat

of the day. And no matter how bad you were jonesing

> you knew the next person was too. We had one guy lose all his do-

alls,(socks, underwear, and so forth) and by the next morning he had

more do-alls than what he knew to do with. We came together and made

it work. On this list, it isn't like that. The flame throwers are

always on stand bye ready to flame.

>

> 4. I learned Natural Disasters are cluster fucks. The right

hand didn't know what the left hand was doing and both tried going

opposite directions. We had issue's of what level of care the out of

staters would be delivering. I say if it's good enough in my state

it should be good enough in yours. But I also believe we should all

get on the same page. Someone earlier said something about a

national standard and isn't National Registry good enough for that?

That's what I want to know too. Call me overly simple but beings it

is " NATIONAL Registry " doesn't that mean it is nationally excepted?

The guys in the big white house need to figure out something for EMS

and do it quickly. We have D-MAT and thank God for those guys, but

we need something set up for EMS and Fire and Police.

>

> That is all I can think about right now. I'm sure will come to

me in my brief moments of sleep. Though I don't know every person on

this list they are my family and it's about time we had a big ol

family hug and started acting like one.

>

>

>

>

>

> " Good friendships are fragile things and require as much care as

any other fragile and precious thing. " Randolph Bourne

> Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Interesting!

So, the Feds are still on the CISM bandwagon apparently, or was this the

locals?

Tater

wrote:

, as a matter of fact they did have " debriefing " for us. We

were supposed to be assessed by the doc and see the Chaplin before we

left every time. IC slacked off on that for those who were traveling

back and forth. They decided that if you were not gone for more than

48 hours you didn't have to do all the exit paper work. Now that

they are in their last efforts I don't think any one has been

debriefed since um probably early November. Now I could be wrong in

that but I don't think. I don't even remember seeing the Chaplin.

Now Jimmy Swaggart was just across the parking lot on Sunday

mornings. I'm sure for a small fee he would have debreafed

us....lol. Oh wait he was already getting that fee. He made 50

thousand a month for us to sleep in a crusty old molded, mildewed

room with a unisex bathroom... That was horrible.......

NAG

In , " E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

>

> WOW! Sounds like you recieved on hell of an edumucation down

there.

>

> Was there any CISM effort underway for those of you down there?

I am wondering that the stance on CISM is from the feds.

>

>

> Tater

>

>

> A P <rookie_sis@y...> wrote:

>

> What I learned in Louisiana............hmmm

> 1. Dead bodies can take more forms than what I ever thought

imaginable. I was attached to the 82ND Airborne doing search and

rescue/recovery.

>

> 2. No matter where you are at the calls are all the same. Many

agencies requested help due to the rise in population or loss of

personnel and equipment. Our crews rotated in and out of these

places helping run the daily operations. And though there names

changed from and Chuck to Thibeadoux and Beaudroux you still ran

the " I stumped my toe, My girlfriend left me so I wanna die, and on

and on. " I am not willing yet to throw myself to the wolfs I'll let

Gene keep up with the scenarios. Most calls ran in N.O. by our crews

where headaches, sinus problems, and pedal edema.

>

> 3. Most of all something that I have brought home with me is

the " family " that I worked with down there. We had people from all

different parts of the states in our small realm if you will. We had

folks from New York, Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, and the

list goes on. All from diverse backgrounds, different protocols, and

not once did we try to eat each other. We learned from each other.

We asked questions on how well things worked in their area and

offered advice on how things may work better. We were without our

comfort things, soda's, smokes, chocolate, home cooked meals,

Internet, hell modern technology for the biggest part. And with all

of these things not being readily available like we are used to you

know there where a bunch of us tripping. But no matter we still made

sure we could help in every way we could. If someone got a care

package from home with soda, you bet that hot soda pop was the treat

of the day. And no matter how bad you were jonesing

> you knew the next person was too. We had one guy lose all his do-

alls,(socks, underwear, and so forth) and by the next morning he had

more do-alls than what he knew to do with. We came together and made

it work. On this list, it isn't like that. The flame throwers are

always on stand bye ready to flame.

>

> 4. I learned Natural Disasters are cluster fucks. The right

hand didn't know what the left hand was doing and both tried going

opposite directions. We had issue's of what level of care the out of

staters would be delivering. I say if it's good enough in my state

it should be good enough in yours. But I also believe we should all

get on the same page. Someone earlier said something about a

national standard and isn't National Registry good enough for that?

That's what I want to know too. Call me overly simple but beings it

is " NATIONAL Registry " doesn't that mean it is nationally excepted?

The guys in the big white house need to figure out something for EMS

and do it quickly. We have D-MAT and thank God for those guys, but

we need something set up for EMS and Fire and Police.

>

> That is all I can think about right now. I'm sure will come to

me in my brief moments of sleep. Though I don't know every person on

this list they are my family and it's about time we had a big ol

family hug and started acting like one.

>

>

>

>

>

> " Good friendships are fragile things and require as much care as

any other fragile and precious thing. " Randolph Bourne

> Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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holidays, whatever.

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[Guest guest]

Interesting!

So, the Feds are still on the CISM bandwagon apparently, or was this the

locals?

Tater

wrote:

, as a matter of fact they did have " debriefing " for us. We

were supposed to be assessed by the doc and see the Chaplin before we

left every time. IC slacked off on that for those who were traveling

back and forth. They decided that if you were not gone for more than

48 hours you didn't have to do all the exit paper work. Now that

they are in their last efforts I don't think any one has been

debriefed since um probably early November. Now I could be wrong in

that but I don't think. I don't even remember seeing the Chaplin.

Now Jimmy Swaggart was just across the parking lot on Sunday

mornings. I'm sure for a small fee he would have debreafed

us....lol. Oh wait he was already getting that fee. He made 50

thousand a month for us to sleep in a crusty old molded, mildewed

room with a unisex bathroom... That was horrible.......

NAG

In , " E. Tate " <texaslp@y...> wrote:

>

> WOW! Sounds like you recieved on hell of an edumucation down

there.

>

> Was there any CISM effort underway for those of you down there?

I am wondering that the stance on CISM is from the feds.

>

>

> Tater

>

>

> A P <rookie_sis@y...> wrote:

>

> What I learned in Louisiana............hmmm

> 1. Dead bodies can take more forms than what I ever thought

imaginable. I was attached to the 82ND Airborne doing search and

rescue/recovery.

>

> 2. No matter where you are at the calls are all the same. Many

agencies requested help due to the rise in population or loss of

personnel and equipment. Our crews rotated in and out of these

places helping run the daily operations. And though there names

changed from and Chuck to Thibeadoux and Beaudroux you still ran

the " I stumped my toe, My girlfriend left me so I wanna die, and on

and on. " I am not willing yet to throw myself to the wolfs I'll let

Gene keep up with the scenarios. Most calls ran in N.O. by our crews

where headaches, sinus problems, and pedal edema.

>

> 3. Most of all something that I have brought home with me is

the " family " that I worked with down there. We had people from all

different parts of the states in our small realm if you will. We had

folks from New York, Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, and the

list goes on. All from diverse backgrounds, different protocols, and

not once did we try to eat each other. We learned from each other.

We asked questions on how well things worked in their area and

offered advice on how things may work better. We were without our

comfort things, soda's, smokes, chocolate, home cooked meals,

Internet, hell modern technology for the biggest part. And with all

of these things not being readily available like we are used to you

know there where a bunch of us tripping. But no matter we still made

sure we could help in every way we could. If someone got a care

package from home with soda, you bet that hot soda pop was the treat

of the day. And no matter how bad you were jonesing

> you knew the next person was too. We had one guy lose all his do-

alls,(socks, underwear, and so forth) and by the next morning he had

more do-alls than what he knew to do with. We came together and made

it work. On this list, it isn't like that. The flame throwers are

always on stand bye ready to flame.

>

> 4. I learned Natural Disasters are cluster fucks. The right

hand didn't know what the left hand was doing and both tried going

opposite directions. We had issue's of what level of care the out of

staters would be delivering. I say if it's good enough in my state

it should be good enough in yours. But I also believe we should all

get on the same page. Someone earlier said something about a

national standard and isn't National Registry good enough for that?

That's what I want to know too. Call me overly simple but beings it

is " NATIONAL Registry " doesn't that mean it is nationally excepted?

The guys in the big white house need to figure out something for EMS

and do it quickly. We have D-MAT and thank God for those guys, but

we need something set up for EMS and Fire and Police.

>

> That is all I can think about right now. I'm sure will come to

me in my brief moments of sleep. Though I don't know every person on

this list they are my family and it's about time we had a big ol

family hug and started acting like one.

>

>

>

>

>

> " Good friendships are fragile things and require as much care as

any other fragile and precious thing. " Randolph Bourne

> Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! Photos

> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,

holidays, whatever.

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[Guest guest]

You know I am not one hundred percent possitive on that part. The

Feds knew it was going on, I mean hell you couldn't miss all the florecent paper

when you walked in the door and down the halls. There was this guy from the

college there doing a survey. He wanted people who would " tell him how it was " ,

some how I got brought into that group. One of his questions was are you

receiven CISM? I just laughed and said they are offeren it but I have a network

of friends. My experience hasn't been that great with CISM, we all know if I

wanna talk I will............don't make me. Now before everyone

starts..........that isn't how is't supposed to be...........well thats how it

happened with me and I can't change that. So it will be a cold day in h, e,

double hockey sticks before I set back down to visit. Though I did attend

service one Sunday morning and Brother Jimmy will sell ya a cook book and a

coffee mug before and after service.

Message: 25

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:32:50 -0800 (PST)

From: " E. Tate "

Subject: Re: Re: What I learned in Louisiana

Interesting!

So, the Feds are still on the CISM bandwagon apparently, or was this the locals?

Tater

wrote:

, as a matter of fact they did have " debriefing " for us. We

were supposed to be assessed by the doc and see the Chaplin before we

left every time. IC slacked off on that for those who were traveling

back and forth. They decided that if you were not gone for more than

48 hours you didn't have to do all the exit paper work. Now that

they are in their last efforts I don't think any one has been

debriefed since um probably early November. Now I could be wrong in

that but I don't think. I don't even remember seeing the Chaplin.

Now Jimmy Swaggart was just across the parking lot on Sunday

mornings. I'm sure for a small fee he would have debreafed

us....lol. Oh wait he was already getting that fee. He made 50

thousand a month for us to sleep in a crusty old molded, mildewed

room with a unisex bathroom... That was horrible.......

NAG

In , " E. Tate " wrote:

>

> WOW! Sounds like you recieved on hell of an edumucation down

there.

>

> Was there any CISM effort underway for those of you down there?

I am wondering that the stance on CISM is from the feds.

>

>

> Tater

>

>

> A P wrote:

>

> What I learned in Louisiana............hmmm

> 1. Dead bodies can take more forms than what I ever thought

imaginable. I was attached to the 82ND Airborne doing search and

rescue/recovery.

>

> 2. No matter where you are at the calls are all the same. Many

agencies requested help due to the rise in population or loss of

personnel and equipment. Our crews rotated in and out of these

places helping run the daily operations. And though there names

changed from and Chuck to Thibeadoux and Beaudroux you still ran

the " I stumped my toe, My girlfriend left me so I wanna die, and on

and on. " I am not willing yet to throw myself to the wolfs I'll let

Gene keep up with the scenarios. Most calls ran in N.O. by our crews

where headaches, sinus problems, and pedal edema.

>

> 3. Most of all something that I have brought home with me is

the " family " that I worked with down there. We had people from all

different parts of the states in our small realm if you will. We had

folks from New York, Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, and the

list goes on. All from diverse backgrounds, different protocols, and

not once did we try to eat each other. We learned from each other.

We asked questions on how well things worked in their area and

offered advice on how things may work better. We were without our

comfort things, soda's, smokes, chocolate, home cooked meals,

Internet, hell modern technology for the biggest part. And with all

of these things not being readily available like we are used to you

know there where a bunch of us tripping. But no matter we still made

sure we could help in every way we could. If someone got a care

package from home with soda, you bet that hot soda pop was the treat

of the day. And no matter how bad you were jonesing

> you knew the next person was too. We had one guy lose all his do-

alls,(socks, underwear, and so forth) and by the next morning he had

more do-alls than what he knew to do with. We came together and made

it work. On this list, it isn't like that. The flame throwers are

always on stand bye ready to flame.

>

> 4. I learned Natural Disasters are cluster fucks. The right

hand didn't know what the left hand was doing and both tried going

opposite directions. We had issue's of what level of care the out of

staters would be delivering. I say if it's good enough in my state

it should be good enough in yours. But I also believe we should all

get on the same page. Someone earlier said something about a

national standard and isn't National Registry good enough for that?

That's what I want to know too. Call me overly simple but beings it

is " NATIONAL Registry " doesn't that mean it is nationally excepted?

The guys in the big white house need to figure out something for EMS

and do it quickly. We have D-MAT and thank God for those guys, but

we need something set up for EMS and Fire and Police.

>

> That is all I can think about right now. I'm sure will come to

me in my brief moments of sleep. Though I don't know every person on

this list they are my family and it's about time we had a big ol

family hug and started acting like one.

>

>

>

>

>

> " Good friendships are fragile things and require as much care as

any other fragile and precious thing. " Randolph Bourne

> Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! Photos

> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events,

holidays, whatever.

>

>

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I'd pay good, hard-earned money to see that {evil grin}

Re: Re: What I learned in Louisiana

Ang next time, mention Dr. B's name at the CISM sessions and see what

happens!

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You can see a similar reaction if you drop a bunch of black ants among a bunch

of red ants.

Kim wrote: I'd pay good, hard-earned money to see that

{evil grin}

Lou Molino wrote:

Ang next time, mention Dr. B's name at the CISM sessions and see what happens!

" The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but

because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

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[Guest guest]

You can see a similar reaction if you drop a bunch of black ants among a bunch

of red ants.

Kim wrote: I'd pay good, hard-earned money to see that

{evil grin}

Lou Molino wrote:

Ang next time, mention Dr. B's name at the CISM sessions and see what happens!

" The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but

because he loves what is behind him. " - GK Chesterton

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

I agree with a lot of what you said. We should be one big family and learn from

each other and ask questions instead of trying to eat each other alive. For god

sake's some of us have to work together even though we are in different cities.

The service I work for has to cross over district boundaries and we also supply

mutual aid for those cities. If we can't get along and are always talking down

on each other then how can we expect EMS as a whole become better. It can't! We

need to put all our differences aside and get along. I wish I could have gone to

Louisana to help out, maybe we all should have been able to go maybe then we

could see what it means to be one big family that doesn't back stab each other.

Well said there Rookie_Sis.

A P wrote:

What I learned in Louisiana............hmmm

1. Dead bodies can take more forms than what I ever thought imaginable. I was

attached to the 82ND Airborne doing search and rescue/recovery.

2. No matter where you are at the calls are all the same. Many agencies

requested help due to the rise in population or loss of personnel and equipment.

Our crews rotated in and out of these places helping run the daily operations.

And though there names changed from and Chuck to Thibeadoux and Beaudroux

you still ran the " I stumped my toe, My girlfriend left me so I wanna die, and

on and on. " I am not willing yet to throw myself to the wolfs I'll let Gene keep

up with the scenarios. Most calls ran in N.O. by our crews where headaches,

sinus problems, and pedal edema.

3. Most of all something that I have brought home with me is the " family " that I

worked with down there. We had people from all different parts of the states in

our small realm if you will. We had folks from New York, Washington, Oregon,

California, Arizona, and the list goes on. All from diverse backgrounds,

different protocols, and not once did we try to eat each other. We learned from

each other. We asked questions on how well things worked in their area and

offered advice on how things may work better. We were without our comfort

things, soda's, smokes, chocolate, home cooked meals, Internet, hell modern

technology for the biggest part. And with all of these things not being readily

available like we are used to you know there where a bunch of us tripping. But

no matter we still made sure we could help in every way we could. If someone got

a care package from home with soda, you bet that hot soda pop was the treat of

the day. And no matter how bad you were jonesing

you knew the next person was too. We had one guy lose all his do-alls,(socks,

underwear, and so forth) and by the next morning he had more do-alls than what

he knew to do with. We came together and made it work. On this list, it isn't

like that. The flame throwers are always on stand bye ready to flame.

4. I learned Natural Disasters are cluster fucks. The right hand didn't know

what the left hand was doing and both tried going opposite directions. We had

issue's of what level of care the out of staters would be delivering. I say if

it's good enough in my state it should be good enough in yours. But I also

believe we should all get on the same page. Someone earlier said something about

a national standard and isn't National Registry good enough for that? That's

what I want to know too. Call me overly simple but beings it is " NATIONAL

Registry " doesn't that mean it is nationally excepted? The guys in the big white

house need to figure out something for EMS and do it quickly. We have D-MAT and

thank God for those guys, but we need something set up for EMS and Fire and

Police.

That is all I can think about right now. I'm sure will come to me in my brief

moments of sleep. Though I don't know every person on this list they are my

family and it's about time we had a big ol family hug and started acting like

one.

" Good friendships are fragile things and require as much care as any other

fragile and precious thing. " Randolph Bourne

Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened!!!

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