Re: What should I do? - Kats3boys

January 23, 2006

Thanks so much for your response... said

something similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo and

am experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don't

want to make any quick decisions about RAI or

surgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb who

should be open minded to the adrenal thing.

I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okay

if he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heart

palpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Feb

when I see the Holistic doc?

M.

--- kats3boys wrote:

> > Last month and this month, my periods have lasted

> > about 18 days and I'm getting 2-3 yeast infections

> > each month. Also, I have heart palpitations (and

> my

> > chest hurts from them) and tremors, I can't sleep

> as

> > well either or concentrate...I had my bloodwork

> done a

> > couple days ago and my tsh is down to 0.259. So am

> I

> > going hyper again? It feels like it, but the weird

> > thing is that even though my tsh is higher than it

> was

> > in 2004, I feel SO much worse than I did in 2004.

> So

> > what's going on with me guys? I feel terrible and

> I'm

> > having a very hard time making it through work

> each

> > day.

>

> Other than your TSH this sounds HYPO to me..or a mix

> of hyper and

> hypo.. I am not seeing Free T4 and Free T3 listed

> though? And

> considering it has been a while since antibody

> testing you might wanna

> get them too.

>

> Kats3boys

>

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January 23, 2006

> I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okay

> if he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heart

> palpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Feb

> when I see the Holistic doc?

>

> M.

I don't like to mess with the heart, so if the doc wants you on one

go on one. Just remember if the thyroid is the issue when it

resolves you may or may not need the blocker anymore and keep an eye

on it.

Although going to the doctor tommorrow I would request a full

thyroid panel.. Holistic docs can be good and bad.

Not to put down holistic docs but some look at the thyroid in

general and so many symptoms overlap between hypo and hyper you

really need to know what is going on.

A holistic doc can treat you much better if they know why and what..

Do not get me wrong I have nothing against holistic docs but I see

some fine lines between herbs than can do damage and herbs that can

help and chosing which one depends on your disease condition.

Get your GP to run labs and then show them to your holistic doctor

if gives them both more to work with.

Kats3boys

January 23, 2006

> I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okay

> if he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heart

> palpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Feb

> when I see the Holistic doc?

>

> M.

I don't like to mess with the heart, so if the doc wants you on one

go on one. Just remember if the thyroid is the issue when it

resolves you may or may not need the blocker anymore and keep an eye

on it.

Although going to the doctor tommorrow I would request a full

thyroid panel.. Holistic docs can be good and bad.

Not to put down holistic docs but some look at the thyroid in

general and so many symptoms overlap between hypo and hyper you

really need to know what is going on.

A holistic doc can treat you much better if they know why and what..

Do not get me wrong I have nothing against holistic docs but I see

some fine lines between herbs than can do damage and herbs that can

help and chosing which one depends on your disease condition.

Get your GP to run labs and then show them to your holistic doctor

if gives them both more to work with.

Kats3boys

January 23, 2006

Some blood pressure meds interfere with absorption of thyroid

hormone. Have dr cross check it for you. Here's a list of meds

that interfere : http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-

text.htm#table4

jane

>

> Thanks so much for your response... said

> something similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo and

> am experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don't

> want to make any quick decisions about RAI or

> surgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb who

> should be open minded to the adrenal thing.

>

> I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okay

> if he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heart

> palpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Feb

> when I see the Holistic doc?

>

> M.

January 24, 2006

Beta blockers will reduce the stress to your heart, at least that is my understanding...

One thing, though.. one is okay to use with thyroid hormone later, one is not....can someone jump in with the name of the one that is okay with thyroid meds? That way if your choice involves taking hormone replacement later you won't have to change beta blocker....

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:25:16 -0800 (PST) " J. McCormick" writes:

Thanks so much for your response... saidsomething similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo andam experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don'twant to make any quick decisions about RAI orsurgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb whoshould be open minded to the adrenal thing. I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okayif he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heartpalpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Febwhen I see the Holistic doc? M.

January 24, 2006

Beta blockers will reduce the stress to your heart, at least that is my understanding...

One thing, though.. one is okay to use with thyroid hormone later, one is not....can someone jump in with the name of the one that is okay with thyroid meds? That way if your choice involves taking hormone replacement later you won't have to change beta blocker....

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:25:16 -0800 (PST) " J. McCormick" writes:

Thanks so much for your response... saidsomething similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo andam experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don'twant to make any quick decisions about RAI orsurgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb whoshould be open minded to the adrenal thing. I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okayif he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heartpalpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Febwhen I see the Holistic doc? M.

January 24, 2006

Beta blockers will reduce the stress to your heart, at least that is my understanding...

One thing, though.. one is okay to use with thyroid hormone later, one is not....can someone jump in with the name of the one that is okay with thyroid meds? That way if your choice involves taking hormone replacement later you won't have to change beta blocker....

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:25:16 -0800 (PST) " J. McCormick" writes:

Thanks so much for your response... saidsomething similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo andam experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don'twant to make any quick decisions about RAI orsurgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb whoshould be open minded to the adrenal thing. I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okayif he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heartpalpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Febwhen I see the Holistic doc? M.

January 26, 2006

Propananol is normally used when someone is hyper or having hyper

symptoms, it also blocks T4 to T3 conversion..not good if you are

hypo or have conversion problems..good if you are hyper and want to

slow down the T4 to T3 conversion.

Amidorone contains Iodine and should not be used for anyone that is

either hyper or hypo as it is known to cause thyroid problems.

Beta blockers should not be used in anyone with a history of Asthma

but the newer calcium channel blockers are considered safe.

Kats3boys

>

> Beta blockers will reduce the stress to your heart, at least that

is my

> understanding...

>

> One thing, though.. one is okay to use with thyroid hormone later,

one is

> not....can someone jump in with the name of the one that is okay

with

> thyroid meds? That way if your choice involves taking hormone

replacement

> later you won't have to change beta blocker....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:25:16 -0800 (PST) " J. McCormick "

> <mccormicklj@y...> writes:

> Thanks so much for your response... said

> something similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo and

> am experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don't

> want to make any quick decisions about RAI or

> surgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb who

> should be open minded to the adrenal thing.

>

> I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okay

> if he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heart

> palpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Feb

> when I see the Holistic doc?

>

> M.

>

January 26, 2006

Propananol is normally used when someone is hyper or having hyper

symptoms, it also blocks T4 to T3 conversion..not good if you are

hypo or have conversion problems..good if you are hyper and want to

slow down the T4 to T3 conversion.

Amidorone contains Iodine and should not be used for anyone that is

either hyper or hypo as it is known to cause thyroid problems.

Beta blockers should not be used in anyone with a history of Asthma

but the newer calcium channel blockers are considered safe.

Kats3boys

>

> Beta blockers will reduce the stress to your heart, at least that

is my

> understanding...

>

> One thing, though.. one is okay to use with thyroid hormone later,

one is

> not....can someone jump in with the name of the one that is okay

with

> thyroid meds? That way if your choice involves taking hormone

replacement

> later you won't have to change beta blocker....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:25:16 -0800 (PST) " J. McCormick "

> <mccormicklj@y...> writes:

> Thanks so much for your response... said

> something similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo and

> am experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don't

> want to make any quick decisions about RAI or

> surgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb who

> should be open minded to the adrenal thing.

>

> I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okay

> if he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heart

> palpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Feb

> when I see the Holistic doc?

>

> M.

>

January 26, 2006

Propananol is normally used when someone is hyper or having hyper

symptoms, it also blocks T4 to T3 conversion..not good if you are

hypo or have conversion problems..good if you are hyper and want to

slow down the T4 to T3 conversion.

Amidorone contains Iodine and should not be used for anyone that is

either hyper or hypo as it is known to cause thyroid problems.

Beta blockers should not be used in anyone with a history of Asthma

but the newer calcium channel blockers are considered safe.

Kats3boys

>

> Beta blockers will reduce the stress to your heart, at least that

is my

> understanding...

>

> One thing, though.. one is okay to use with thyroid hormone later,

one is

> not....can someone jump in with the name of the one that is okay

with

> thyroid meds? That way if your choice involves taking hormone

replacement

> later you won't have to change beta blocker....

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:25:16 -0800 (PST) " J. McCormick "

> <mccormicklj@y...> writes:

> Thanks so much for your response... said

> something similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo and

> am experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don't

> want to make any quick decisions about RAI or

> surgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb who

> should be open minded to the adrenal thing.

>

> I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's okay

> if he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my heart

> palpitations? Other than that, just hold out until Feb

> when I see the Holistic doc?

>

> M.

>

January 26, 2006

Thanks so much for the info! I'm taking 80mg of

Inderal per day...do you know if that interacts with

Armour?

M.

--- kats3boys wrote:

> Propananol is normally used when someone is hyper or

> having hyper

> symptoms, it also blocks T4 to T3 conversion..not

> good if you are

> hypo or have conversion problems..good if you are

> hyper and want to

> slow down the T4 to T3 conversion.

> Amidorone contains Iodine and should not be used for

> anyone that is

> either hyper or hypo as it is known to cause thyroid

> problems.

> Beta blockers should not be used in anyone with a

> history of Asthma

> but the newer calcium channel blockers are

> considered safe.

>

> Kats3boys

>

> >

> > Beta blockers will reduce the stress to your

> heart, at least that

> is my

> > understanding...

> >

> > One thing, though.. one is okay to use with

> thyroid hormone later,

> one is

> > not....can someone jump in with the name of the

> one that is okay

> with

> > thyroid meds? That way if your choice involves

> taking hormone

> replacement

> > later you won't have to change beta blocker....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> > On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:25:16 -0800 (PST) " J.

> McCormick "

> > <mccormicklj@y...> writes:

> > Thanks so much for your response... said

> > something similar - that maybe I'm actually hypo

> and

> > am experiencing adrenal fatigue. I certainly don't

> > want to make any quick decisions about RAI or

> > surgery...and I am seeing a Holistic doc in Feb

> who

> > should be open minded to the adrenal thing.

> >

> > I see my family doc tomorrow. Do you think it's

> okay

> > if he wants to put me on a beta-blocker for my

> heart

> > palpitations? Other than that, just hold out until

> Feb

> > when I see the Holistic doc?

> >

> > M.

> >

>

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January 26, 2006

>

> Thanks so much for the info! I'm taking 80mg of

> Inderal per day...do you know if that interacts with

> Armour?

>

> M.

>

Inderal is a brand name of Propanalol..

This is from Merck..

-Blockers: Symptoms and signs of hyperthyroidism due to adrenergic

stimulation may respond to -blockers. Propranolol has had the

greatest use. Phenomena that improve and that do not improve with

propranolol are shown in Table 8-4. Propranolol is not as useful for

stare and lid retraction as once thought, suggesting that both may

be predominantly effects (or at least a mixture of and effects).

Propranolol is indicated in thyroid storm (see Table 8-3). It

rapidly decreases heart rate, usually within 2 to 3 h when given

orally and within minutes when given IV. Propranolol is also

indicated for the prompt management of tachycardia found in other

forms of hyperthyroidism (including thyroiditis), and especially in

older patients with no history of congestive heart failure, since it

ordinarily takes several weeks to get relief from the antithyroid

drugs. Calcium channel blockers may be useful for controlling

tachyarrhythmias in patients in whom the -blockers are

contraindicated. For details concerning propranolol therapy, see Ch.

199.

I can find lots of info on its use in hyper..not much in hypo..

I would think the main worry with Armour would be that it could mask

and hide the symptoms of hyper if you are taking too much Armour..

With hyper it is used short term to elevate symptoms of fast heart

rate, shakiness etc. until the antithyroid drugs take effect..

I will try later and see if I can find a resource about how it

effects T4 to T3 conversion.

Kats3boys

January 26, 2006