Re: SELF MEDICATING for Hashimoto & Hypo/ NEED HELP & ADVICE

[Guest guest]

I've been self treating for three and a half years.. it can be done...

Obviously natural thyroid is still around, it's just not shoved down the doctor's throats with questionably accurate PR....

Before TSH testing, which came about as the perfect test to prove that that the new T4 only synthetic medication was soooo perfect... it's cheap to make, with a huge profit margin... and since it's a TSH suppressor AND TSH is not an accurate indication of thyroid hormone levels, cuz... well.... geez... it's not a thyroid hormone..... anyway.. before labs patients where treated using basal monitoring and symptom evaluation.

That's what I've been using all this time.... although I did have labs run in Feb of '05... to find out I was still underdosed and kicked it up again over the next six months.

You have to be responsible... it's charting daily.

No cheating, being honest about how you feel, recording symptoms.

Accurate and consistent measurement.

...and giving your body sufficient time to adjust between adjustments.

Some of my increments were as long as 12 weeks apart... I had to wait until my body was ready... You can feel it.....

Any way.. it can be done.... My crutches are used for drying pasta now... I don't need them to walk anymore... that's how much better I'm doing now, under my own care, than I did with the docs who got me so sick that I needed those crutches in the first place....

'nuff said...

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Ann writes:

Hello,I have been going through the process of trying tofind a good Endo in Madrid, Spain (where I live) and Iwas recommended to a woman in Barcelona by an EnglishEndo. She is (was) supposed to be excellent, openminded and verse in her field and new developmnents inEndocrinology. Well, I wrote her an email introducingmyself, explaining my case and telling her I waslooking for an Endo who would work with me with takingnatural hormones and finding the right balance betweenmy medications and supplements, nutritional andhormonal, etc, etc. I've posted my letter below andher reply, which are both in Spanish so I will explainher response. She replied that the internationallyaccepted manner to treat my disease is with synthetichormonal medication (L-tiroxina) and that naturalhormones are obselete. She goes on to say it has beenyears since they've sold or used natural hormonesbecause they do not offer any real results, areinconvenient and there are too many variations in thedoses and inpurities. Next she says that vitaminscarry no scientific evidence or weight in helpingthyroid patients and only act as a placebo. Blah,blah, blah....If this is the best this country has to offer...I'mscrewed...I've been through it before...and I'm sickof it...I actually had an Endo here tell me to cutbread out of my diet when I told him that I'mcontinuing to gain weight...and then he told me Ilooked good at my weight and I should be happy... andthen I asked him if I could borrow his credit card tobuy a new wardrobe for the four sizes I had gained..hedidn't like that...so no sugar daddy Endo and a fatass is what I've ended up with. The only good thingI've found out of this whole mess is that myboyfriend likes my fat ass....heee heeee heee...ifthat's too personal, sorry, I'm undermedicated andpissy.Anyway, I'm not giving up and I think it's a good timefor me to consider self medication until by somemiracle a great Endo falls out of the sky and hits mein the head. I will continue to look up. I don'tknow where to start other than ordering Armour andstarting with 15mg and moving up to 30mg in a coupleof weeks and then going from there. When do I move upto the next dose? Will I feel when it is the righttime to stop, at a certain dosage? Do I need to takeadrenal support? Can anyone suggest a good startingregimen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.Big Butt Ann

[Guest guest]

I've been self treating for three and a half years.. it can be done...

Obviously natural thyroid is still around, it's just not shoved down the doctor's throats with questionably accurate PR....

Before TSH testing, which came about as the perfect test to prove that that the new T4 only synthetic medication was soooo perfect... it's cheap to make, with a huge profit margin... and since it's a TSH suppressor AND TSH is not an accurate indication of thyroid hormone levels, cuz... well.... geez... it's not a thyroid hormone..... anyway.. before labs patients where treated using basal monitoring and symptom evaluation.

That's what I've been using all this time.... although I did have labs run in Feb of '05... to find out I was still underdosed and kicked it up again over the next six months.

You have to be responsible... it's charting daily.

No cheating, being honest about how you feel, recording symptoms.

Accurate and consistent measurement.

...and giving your body sufficient time to adjust between adjustments.

Some of my increments were as long as 12 weeks apart... I had to wait until my body was ready... You can feel it.....

Any way.. it can be done.... My crutches are used for drying pasta now... I don't need them to walk anymore... that's how much better I'm doing now, under my own care, than I did with the docs who got me so sick that I needed those crutches in the first place....

'nuff said...

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Ann writes:

Hello,I have been going through the process of trying tofind a good Endo in Madrid, Spain (where I live) and Iwas recommended to a woman in Barcelona by an EnglishEndo. She is (was) supposed to be excellent, openminded and verse in her field and new developmnents inEndocrinology. Well, I wrote her an email introducingmyself, explaining my case and telling her I waslooking for an Endo who would work with me with takingnatural hormones and finding the right balance betweenmy medications and supplements, nutritional andhormonal, etc, etc. I've posted my letter below andher reply, which are both in Spanish so I will explainher response. She replied that the internationallyaccepted manner to treat my disease is with synthetichormonal medication (L-tiroxina) and that naturalhormones are obselete. She goes on to say it has beenyears since they've sold or used natural hormonesbecause they do not offer any real results, areinconvenient and there are too many variations in thedoses and inpurities. Next she says that vitaminscarry no scientific evidence or weight in helpingthyroid patients and only act as a placebo. Blah,blah, blah....If this is the best this country has to offer...I'mscrewed...I've been through it before...and I'm sickof it...I actually had an Endo here tell me to cutbread out of my diet when I told him that I'mcontinuing to gain weight...and then he told me Ilooked good at my weight and I should be happy... andthen I asked him if I could borrow his credit card tobuy a new wardrobe for the four sizes I had gained..hedidn't like that...so no sugar daddy Endo and a fatass is what I've ended up with. The only good thingI've found out of this whole mess is that myboyfriend likes my fat ass....heee heeee heee...ifthat's too personal, sorry, I'm undermedicated andpissy.Anyway, I'm not giving up and I think it's a good timefor me to consider self medication until by somemiracle a great Endo falls out of the sky and hits mein the head. I will continue to look up. I don'tknow where to start other than ordering Armour andstarting with 15mg and moving up to 30mg in a coupleof weeks and then going from there. When do I move upto the next dose? Will I feel when it is the righttime to stop, at a certain dosage? Do I need to takeadrenal support? Can anyone suggest a good startingregimen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.Big Butt Ann

[Guest guest]

I've been self treating for three and a half years.. it can be done...

Obviously natural thyroid is still around, it's just not shoved down the doctor's throats with questionably accurate PR....

Before TSH testing, which came about as the perfect test to prove that that the new T4 only synthetic medication was soooo perfect... it's cheap to make, with a huge profit margin... and since it's a TSH suppressor AND TSH is not an accurate indication of thyroid hormone levels, cuz... well.... geez... it's not a thyroid hormone..... anyway.. before labs patients where treated using basal monitoring and symptom evaluation.

That's what I've been using all this time.... although I did have labs run in Feb of '05... to find out I was still underdosed and kicked it up again over the next six months.

You have to be responsible... it's charting daily.

No cheating, being honest about how you feel, recording symptoms.

Accurate and consistent measurement.

...and giving your body sufficient time to adjust between adjustments.

Some of my increments were as long as 12 weeks apart... I had to wait until my body was ready... You can feel it.....

Any way.. it can be done.... My crutches are used for drying pasta now... I don't need them to walk anymore... that's how much better I'm doing now, under my own care, than I did with the docs who got me so sick that I needed those crutches in the first place....

'nuff said...

Topper ()

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Ann writes:

Hello,I have been going through the process of trying tofind a good Endo in Madrid, Spain (where I live) and Iwas recommended to a woman in Barcelona by an EnglishEndo. She is (was) supposed to be excellent, openminded and verse in her field and new developmnents inEndocrinology. Well, I wrote her an email introducingmyself, explaining my case and telling her I waslooking for an Endo who would work with me with takingnatural hormones and finding the right balance betweenmy medications and supplements, nutritional andhormonal, etc, etc. I've posted my letter below andher reply, which are both in Spanish so I will explainher response. She replied that the internationallyaccepted manner to treat my disease is with synthetichormonal medication (L-tiroxina) and that naturalhormones are obselete. She goes on to say it has beenyears since they've sold or used natural hormonesbecause they do not offer any real results, areinconvenient and there are too many variations in thedoses and inpurities. Next she says that vitaminscarry no scientific evidence or weight in helpingthyroid patients and only act as a placebo. Blah,blah, blah....If this is the best this country has to offer...I'mscrewed...I've been through it before...and I'm sickof it...I actually had an Endo here tell me to cutbread out of my diet when I told him that I'mcontinuing to gain weight...and then he told me Ilooked good at my weight and I should be happy... andthen I asked him if I could borrow his credit card tobuy a new wardrobe for the four sizes I had gained..hedidn't like that...so no sugar daddy Endo and a fatass is what I've ended up with. The only good thingI've found out of this whole mess is that myboyfriend likes my fat ass....heee heeee heee...ifthat's too personal, sorry, I'm undermedicated andpissy.Anyway, I'm not giving up and I think it's a good timefor me to consider self medication until by somemiracle a great Endo falls out of the sky and hits mein the head. I will continue to look up. I don'tknow where to start other than ordering Armour andstarting with 15mg and moving up to 30mg in a coupleof weeks and then going from there. When do I move upto the next dose? Will I feel when it is the righttime to stop, at a certain dosage? Do I need to takeadrenal support? Can anyone suggest a good startingregimen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.Big Butt Ann

[Guest guest]

Hi! Ann-

Sounds like hypo hasn't stolen all your brains nor your spunk, yet!

Also, sounds like you have a good plan.

As for self-treating and self-monitoring go to www.drrind.com

and start taking your temps and writing them down...that will tell

you a lot about whether your symptoms are thyroid, adrenal, or

both. I will help you gauge your dose raises, too.

I self-treat, too. After the first week it you'll see how easy and

empowering it is... Just notice in the first week if you start to feel

worse - you might also need to investigate a little adrenal support.

If you're young and start out with teeeeny tiny doses you may

avoid the need for adrenal support. Remember " poco a poco. " ;o)

I take Isocort which is not prescription over the internet. I also order

my own Armour...

Let us know how it goes...

....

P.S. Do you know if you were related to a Rounseville

in Danville, CA?

Hello,I have been going through the process of trying tofind a good Endo in Madrid, Spain (where I live) and I

was recommended to a woman in Barcelona by an EnglishEndo. She is (was) supposed to be excellent, openminded and verse in her field and new developmnents inEndocrinology. Well, I wrote her an email introducing

myself, explaining my case and telling her I waslooking for an Endo who would work with me with takingnatural hormones and finding the right balance betweenmy medications and supplements, nutritional and

hormonal, etc, etc. I've posted my letter below andher reply, which are both in Spanish so I will explainher response. She replied that the internationallyaccepted manner to treat my disease is with synthetic

hormonal medication (L-tiroxina) and that naturalhormones are obselete. She goes on to say it has beenyears since they've sold or used natural hormonesbecause they do not offer any real results, areinconvenient and there are too many variations in the

doses and inpurities. Next she says that vitaminscarry no scientific evidence or weight in helpingthyroid patients and only act as a placebo. Blah,blah, blah....If this is the best this country has to offer...I'm

screwed...I've been through it before...and I'm sickof it...I actually had an Endo here tell me to cutbread out of my diet when I told him that I'mcontinuing to gain weight...and then he told me Ilooked good at my weight and I should be happy... and

then I asked him if I could borrow his credit card tobuy a new wardrobe for the four sizes I had gained..hedidn't like that...so no sugar daddy Endo and a fatass is what I've ended up with. The only good thing

I've found out of this whole mess is that myboyfriend likes my fat ass....heee heeee heee...ifthat's too personal, sorry, I'm undermedicated andpissy.Anyway, I'm not giving up and I think it's a good time

for me to consider self medication until by somemiracle a great Endo falls out of the sky and hits mein the head. I will continue to look up. I don'tknow where to start other than ordering Armour and

starting with 15mg and moving up to 30mg in a coupleof weeks and then going from there. When do I move upto the next dose? Will I feel when it is the righttime to stop, at a certain dosage? Do I need to take

adrenal support? Can anyone suggest a good startingregimen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.Big Butt AnnRe: Endocrino en MadridEstimada Sra Rounseville,El tratamiento del hipotiroidismo por tiroidits de

Hashimotointernacionalmente aceptado es la L-tiroxina sódicasintética. Los extractos " naturales " son obsoletos (hace años que ya no se usanni venden enEspaña), no ofrecen ventaja alguna y sí inconvenientes

(variación dedosificiación de los comprimidos según los lotes,impurezas, etc). En cuanto avitaminas, no hay evidencia científica de que sirvapara el tratamientode este proceso (aunque podría tener un efecto

placebo).En cuanto a endocrinos en Madrid, necesitaría saberquién la havisitado hasta ahora y si lo quiere privado o público;en este caso, dependerádel hospital que le corresponda según donde resida.

AtentamenteDra S WebbDra. S. M. WebbServicio de EndocrinologíaHospital de Sant PauUniversitat Autònoma de BarcelonaPare Claret 16708025-BarcelonaSpainTel: +34-93-5565661 o 5565659

Fax: +34-93-5565602email: swebb@...>>> Ann 19/01/06 15:50>>>

Estimada Dra. Webb:Me llamo Ann Rounseville y soy unanorteamericana que vive en Madrid. M. dela Sociedad de Endocrinologia Internacional me hadirigido a Usted. He sido diagnosticada con la

enfermedad de Hashimoto e Hipotiroidismo y deseariasolicitar su ayuda para poder encontrar un buenEndocrino en Madrid. Estoy muy disastifecha con elmio y el hecho de que no me quiera escuchar. Ella me

trata como un resultado del laboratorio, no como unpaciente. Tambien, he encontrado que ella carece deconocimiento sobre los desarollos modernos de suprofession y mi enfermedad. Todavia sigo sufriendolos mismos sintomas de antes, pero ella no quiera

trabajar conmigo para encontrar un mejor medicamientoy probar una combinacion de nutricion, vitaminas ysuplementos con el tratamiento medico.Lamentablemente, he tenido la misma experiencia conotros endocrinos aqui. Mediante mis investigaciones,

he descubierto que la mayoria de mujeres se sientenmejor tomando hormonas naturales a diferencia dehormonas sinteticas. Yo queria probar estetratamiento, pero no puedo encontrar un Endocrino quelas recete y hay muchos que ni siquiera saben que

existen. Dicho esto, me gustaria encontrar unEndocrino moderno, informado con una actitud abierta .Le agredezco su ayuda y sus recomendacionesmuchisimo. Quedo a la espera de sus noticias. Muchasgracias.

Atentamente, Ann Rounseville

[Guest guest]

Thanks Topper for the advice...read today about ways

to chart myself...MA

--- topper2@... wrote:

> I've been self treating for three and a half years..

> it can be done...

>

> Obviously natural thyroid is still around, it's just

> not shoved down the

> doctor's throats with questionably accurate PR....

>

> Before TSH testing, which came about as the perfect

> test to prove that

> that the new T4 only synthetic medication was soooo

> perfect... it's cheap

> to make, with a huge profit margin... and since it's

> a TSH suppressor AND

> TSH is not an accurate indication of thyroid hormone

> levels, cuz...

> well.... geez... it's not a thyroid hormone.....

> anyway.. before labs

> patients where treated using basal monitoring and

> symptom evaluation.

>

> That's what I've been using all this time....

> although I did have labs

> run in Feb of '05... to find out I was still

> underdosed and kicked it up

> again over the next six months.

>

> You have to be responsible... it's charting daily.

> No cheating, being honest about how you feel,

> recording symptoms.

> Accurate and consistent measurement.

> ..and giving your body sufficient time to adjust

> between adjustments.

>

> Some of my increments were as long as 12 weeks

> apart... I had to wait

> until my body was ready... You can feel it.....

>

> Any way.. it can be done.... My crutches are used

> for drying pasta

> now... I don't need them to walk anymore... that's

> how much better I'm

> doing now, under my own care, than I did with the

> docs who got me so sick

> that I needed those crutches in the first place....

>

> 'nuff said...

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Ann

> writes:

> Hello,

> I have been going through the process of trying to

> find a good Endo in Madrid, Spain (where I live) and

> I

> was recommended to a woman in Barcelona by an

> English

> Endo. She is (was) supposed to be excellent, open

> minded and verse in her field and new developmnents

> in

> Endocrinology. Well, I wrote her an email

> introducing

> myself, explaining my case and telling her I was

> looking for an Endo who would work with me with

> taking

> natural hormones and finding the right balance

> between

> my medications and supplements, nutritional and

> hormonal, etc, etc. I've posted my letter below and

> her reply, which are both in Spanish so I will

> explain

> her response. She replied that the internationally

> accepted manner to treat my disease is with

> synthetic

> hormonal medication (L-tiroxina) and that natural

> hormones are obselete. She goes on to say it has

> been

> years since they've sold or used natural hormones

> because they do not offer any real results, are

> inconvenient and there are too many variations in

> the

> doses and inpurities. Next she says that vitamins

> carry no scientific evidence or weight in helping

> thyroid patients and only act as a placebo. Blah,

> blah, blah....

>

> If this is the best this country has to offer...I'm

> screwed...I've been through it before...and I'm sick

> of it...I actually had an Endo here tell me to cut

> bread out of my diet when I told him that I'm

> continuing to gain weight...and then he told me I

> looked good at my weight and I should be happy...

> and

> then I asked him if I could borrow his credit card

> to

> buy a new wardrobe for the four sizes I had

> gained..he

> didn't like that...so no sugar daddy Endo and a fat

> ass is what I've ended up with. The only good thing

> I've found out of this whole mess is that my

> boyfriend likes my fat ass....heee heeee heee...if

> that's too personal, sorry, I'm undermedicated and

> pissy.

>

> Anyway, I'm not giving up and I think it's a good

> time

> for me to consider self medication until by some

> miracle a great Endo falls out of the sky and hits

> me

> in the head. I will continue to look up. I don't

> know where to start other than ordering Armour and

> starting with 15mg and moving up to 30mg in a couple

> of weeks and then going from there. When do I move

> up

> to the next dose? Will I feel when it is the right

> time to stop, at a certain dosage? Do I need to

> take

> adrenal support? Can anyone suggest a good starting

> regimen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Big Butt Ann

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks Topper for the advice...read today about ways

to chart myself...MA

--- topper2@... wrote:

> I've been self treating for three and a half years..

> it can be done...

>

> Obviously natural thyroid is still around, it's just

> not shoved down the

> doctor's throats with questionably accurate PR....

>

> Before TSH testing, which came about as the perfect

> test to prove that

> that the new T4 only synthetic medication was soooo

> perfect... it's cheap

> to make, with a huge profit margin... and since it's

> a TSH suppressor AND

> TSH is not an accurate indication of thyroid hormone

> levels, cuz...

> well.... geez... it's not a thyroid hormone.....

> anyway.. before labs

> patients where treated using basal monitoring and

> symptom evaluation.

>

> That's what I've been using all this time....

> although I did have labs

> run in Feb of '05... to find out I was still

> underdosed and kicked it up

> again over the next six months.

>

> You have to be responsible... it's charting daily.

> No cheating, being honest about how you feel,

> recording symptoms.

> Accurate and consistent measurement.

> ..and giving your body sufficient time to adjust

> between adjustments.

>

> Some of my increments were as long as 12 weeks

> apart... I had to wait

> until my body was ready... You can feel it.....

>

> Any way.. it can be done.... My crutches are used

> for drying pasta

> now... I don't need them to walk anymore... that's

> how much better I'm

> doing now, under my own care, than I did with the

> docs who got me so sick

> that I needed those crutches in the first place....

>

> 'nuff said...

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Ann

> writes:

> Hello,

> I have been going through the process of trying to

> find a good Endo in Madrid, Spain (where I live) and

> I

> was recommended to a woman in Barcelona by an

> English

> Endo. She is (was) supposed to be excellent, open

> minded and verse in her field and new developmnents

> in

> Endocrinology. Well, I wrote her an email

> introducing

> myself, explaining my case and telling her I was

> looking for an Endo who would work with me with

> taking

> natural hormones and finding the right balance

> between

> my medications and supplements, nutritional and

> hormonal, etc, etc. I've posted my letter below and

> her reply, which are both in Spanish so I will

> explain

> her response. She replied that the internationally

> accepted manner to treat my disease is with

> synthetic

> hormonal medication (L-tiroxina) and that natural

> hormones are obselete. She goes on to say it has

> been

> years since they've sold or used natural hormones

> because they do not offer any real results, are

> inconvenient and there are too many variations in

> the

> doses and inpurities. Next she says that vitamins

> carry no scientific evidence or weight in helping

> thyroid patients and only act as a placebo. Blah,

> blah, blah....

>

> If this is the best this country has to offer...I'm

> screwed...I've been through it before...and I'm sick

> of it...I actually had an Endo here tell me to cut

> bread out of my diet when I told him that I'm

> continuing to gain weight...and then he told me I

> looked good at my weight and I should be happy...

> and

> then I asked him if I could borrow his credit card

> to

> buy a new wardrobe for the four sizes I had

> gained..he

> didn't like that...so no sugar daddy Endo and a fat

> ass is what I've ended up with. The only good thing

> I've found out of this whole mess is that my

> boyfriend likes my fat ass....heee heeee heee...if

> that's too personal, sorry, I'm undermedicated and

> pissy.

>

> Anyway, I'm not giving up and I think it's a good

> time

> for me to consider self medication until by some

> miracle a great Endo falls out of the sky and hits

> me

> in the head. I will continue to look up. I don't

> know where to start other than ordering Armour and

> starting with 15mg and moving up to 30mg in a couple

> of weeks and then going from there. When do I move

> up

> to the next dose? Will I feel when it is the right

> time to stop, at a certain dosage? Do I need to

> take

> adrenal support? Can anyone suggest a good starting

> regimen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Big Butt Ann

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks Topper for the advice...read today about ways

to chart myself...MA

--- topper2@... wrote:

> I've been self treating for three and a half years..

> it can be done...

>

> Obviously natural thyroid is still around, it's just

> not shoved down the

> doctor's throats with questionably accurate PR....

>

> Before TSH testing, which came about as the perfect

> test to prove that

> that the new T4 only synthetic medication was soooo

> perfect... it's cheap

> to make, with a huge profit margin... and since it's

> a TSH suppressor AND

> TSH is not an accurate indication of thyroid hormone

> levels, cuz...

> well.... geez... it's not a thyroid hormone.....

> anyway.. before labs

> patients where treated using basal monitoring and

> symptom evaluation.

>

> That's what I've been using all this time....

> although I did have labs

> run in Feb of '05... to find out I was still

> underdosed and kicked it up

> again over the next six months.

>

> You have to be responsible... it's charting daily.

> No cheating, being honest about how you feel,

> recording symptoms.

> Accurate and consistent measurement.

> ..and giving your body sufficient time to adjust

> between adjustments.

>

> Some of my increments were as long as 12 weeks

> apart... I had to wait

> until my body was ready... You can feel it.....

>

> Any way.. it can be done.... My crutches are used

> for drying pasta

> now... I don't need them to walk anymore... that's

> how much better I'm

> doing now, under my own care, than I did with the

> docs who got me so sick

> that I needed those crutches in the first place....

>

> 'nuff said...

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:26:28 -0800 (PST) Ann

> writes:

> Hello,

> I have been going through the process of trying to

> find a good Endo in Madrid, Spain (where I live) and

> I

> was recommended to a woman in Barcelona by an

> English

> Endo. She is (was) supposed to be excellent, open

> minded and verse in her field and new developmnents

> in

> Endocrinology. Well, I wrote her an email

> introducing

> myself, explaining my case and telling her I was

> looking for an Endo who would work with me with

> taking

> natural hormones and finding the right balance

> between

> my medications and supplements, nutritional and

> hormonal, etc, etc. I've posted my letter below and

> her reply, which are both in Spanish so I will

> explain

> her response. She replied that the internationally

> accepted manner to treat my disease is with

> synthetic

> hormonal medication (L-tiroxina) and that natural

> hormones are obselete. She goes on to say it has

> been

> years since they've sold or used natural hormones

> because they do not offer any real results, are

> inconvenient and there are too many variations in

> the

> doses and inpurities. Next she says that vitamins

> carry no scientific evidence or weight in helping

> thyroid patients and only act as a placebo. Blah,

> blah, blah....

>

> If this is the best this country has to offer...I'm

> screwed...I've been through it before...and I'm sick

> of it...I actually had an Endo here tell me to cut

> bread out of my diet when I told him that I'm

> continuing to gain weight...and then he told me I

> looked good at my weight and I should be happy...

> and

> then I asked him if I could borrow his credit card

> to

> buy a new wardrobe for the four sizes I had

> gained..he

> didn't like that...so no sugar daddy Endo and a fat

> ass is what I've ended up with. The only good thing

> I've found out of this whole mess is that my

> boyfriend likes my fat ass....heee heeee heee...if

> that's too personal, sorry, I'm undermedicated and

> pissy.

>

> Anyway, I'm not giving up and I think it's a good

> time

> for me to consider self medication until by some

> miracle a great Endo falls out of the sky and hits

> me

> in the head. I will continue to look up. I don't

> know where to start other than ordering Armour and

> starting with 15mg and moving up to 30mg in a couple

> of weeks and then going from there. When do I move

> up

> to the next dose? Will I feel when it is the right

> time to stop, at a certain dosage? Do I need to

> take

> adrenal support? Can anyone suggest a good starting

> regimen? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Big Butt Ann

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[Guest guest]

Charting is fascinating... or I'm weird! heheheh

I get a kick at looking at mine and what they tell me... my journals too.

Topper ()

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:22:57 -0800 (PST) Ann writes:

Thanks Topper for the advice...read today about waysto chart myself...MA

[Guest guest]

Charting is fascinating... or I'm weird! heheheh

I get a kick at looking at mine and what they tell me... my journals too.

Topper ()

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:22:57 -0800 (PST) Ann writes:

Thanks Topper for the advice...read today about waysto chart myself...MA

[Guest guest]

Charting is fascinating... or I'm weird! heheheh

I get a kick at looking at mine and what they tell me... my journals too.

Topper ()

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:22:57 -0800 (PST) Ann writes:

Thanks Topper for the advice...read today about waysto chart myself...MA