Re: Help w/ moving from Armour to SRT3

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Nick,

I was on Armour for 2 years. Just recently discovered Rt3 problem. Ft3/Rt3 ratio is about 10 with 20+ being the desired number. Just switched from Armour to slow release t3 this week. Had been on 60mg Armour at 5:00am, 30mg Armour at 11:00 am, and then 60 mg Armour at 5:00.. Three days ago switched to 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 am and 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 pm. First day or so felt fine.

Last night, I was lying in bed and could feel my pulse going through the roof. It was 100-105 bpm. It lasted for a couple of hours. Pretty scary. This morning when I woke up, my pulse was in the high 60's. Before starting thyroid meds I usually had a resting heart rate of 60 or less and had low blood pressure and low body temp. Since new Armour, have had increased heart rate and pulse, but continued low body tem. Last week when I went to the doc (before starting SRT3), my bp was way up and my body temp stll low at 96.5. In past few days, body temp. seems to have risen to about 98.5 or so.

I am concerned about that high bpm and the tightness I feel in my chest today. Trying to figure out if I am either over-medicated or just need to give it a week or so for my body to adjust to the SRT3. Trying to decide whether or not to take the 5:00 dose today or skip it to help bring my heart rate down. Currently resting heart rate is 80-85 and tightness in chest. What are your thoughts re: dosage and heart issues.

Thanks so much for any help.

Beth S.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 9:28:09 AMSubject: Re: Ready to quit...

>I think that summarizes my total freak out. I am so sad thinking this has been yet again another false start >It's been over 3 years of being on a hunt to FIX ME. waaaaaaaahhhhh.>>Thanks-done whining.With that previous dose not working you will almost certainly have RT3blocking receptors.If you stay at this dose of T3 you will get more hypo until the 11-12week mark when the resistance will suddenly clear, it soundsimprobably but I went through what you did and it worked just as Valsaid it wouldYou can carry on upping the dose of T3 while this is clearing as longas you have no adverse symptoms and will feel less hypo while it'sclearing. Just keep an eye on your pulse after the 10 week mark and beprepared to drop dose by half overnight.For me I needed 12 grains of old Armour to feel well. When I went toT3 only

I ramped up and ended up on 225-250 a day and felt good onthat. One day I woke up with a fast pulse and a temperature, took 50that day and build up to 125 over a week or so and feel the best Ihave for 35 years now, having been on Armour for the previous 10years.I've increased slightly for the winter and expect to drop again in thesummer.Have patience, it works.Nick.

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Nick,

I was on Armour for 2 years. Just recently discovered Rt3 problem. Ft3/Rt3 ratio is about 10 with 20+ being the desired number. Just switched from Armour to slow release t3 this week. Had been on 60mg Armour at 5:00am, 30mg Armour at 11:00 am, and then 60 mg Armour at 5:00.. Three days ago switched to 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 am and 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 pm. First day or so felt fine.

Last night, I was lying in bed and could feel my pulse going through the roof. It was 100-105 bpm. It lasted for a couple of hours. Pretty scary. This morning when I woke up, my pulse was in the high 60's. Before starting thyroid meds I usually had a resting heart rate of 60 or less and had low blood pressure and low body temp. Since new Armour, have had increased heart rate and pulse, but continued low body tem. Last week when I went to the doc (before starting SRT3), my bp was way up and my body temp stll low at 96.5. In past few days, body temp. seems to have risen to about 98.5 or so.

I am concerned about that high bpm and the tightness I feel in my chest today. Trying to figure out if I am either over-medicated or just need to give it a week or so for my body to adjust to the SRT3. Trying to decide whether or not to take the 5:00 dose today or skip it to help bring my heart rate down. Currently resting heart rate is 80-85 and tightness in chest. What are your thoughts re: dosage and heart issues.

Thanks so much for any help.

Beth S.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 9:28:09 AMSubject: Re: Ready to quit...

>I think that summarizes my total freak out. I am so sad thinking this has been yet again another false start >It's been over 3 years of being on a hunt to FIX ME. waaaaaaaahhhhh.>>Thanks-done whining.With that previous dose not working you will almost certainly have RT3blocking receptors.If you stay at this dose of T3 you will get more hypo until the 11-12week mark when the resistance will suddenly clear, it soundsimprobably but I went through what you did and it worked just as Valsaid it wouldYou can carry on upping the dose of T3 while this is clearing as longas you have no adverse symptoms and will feel less hypo while it'sclearing. Just keep an eye on your pulse after the 10 week mark and beprepared to drop dose by half overnight.For me I needed 12 grains of old Armour to feel well. When I went toT3 only

I ramped up and ended up on 225-250 a day and felt good onthat. One day I woke up with a fast pulse and a temperature, took 50that day and build up to 125 over a week or so and feel the best Ihave for 35 years now, having been on Armour for the previous 10years.I've increased slightly for the winter and expect to drop again in thesummer.Have patience, it works.Nick.

[Guest guest]

>I am concerned about that high bpm and the tightness I feel in my chest today. 

Trying to figure out if I am either over-medicated or just need to give it a

week or so for my body to adjust to the SRT3.  Trying to decide whether or not

to take the 5:00 dose today or skip it to help bring my heart rate down. 

Currently resting heart rate is 80-85 and tightness in chest.  What are your

thoughts re:  dosage and heart issues.

Too much too soon, take it slowly as per the link in the other reply

Have a look through all the site in my sig, it will give you a good

background. Feel free to ask questions if there is anything you don't

understand

Nick

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for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

[Guest guest]

>I am concerned about that high bpm and the tightness I feel in my chest today. 

Trying to figure out if I am either over-medicated or just need to give it a

week or so for my body to adjust to the SRT3.  Trying to decide whether or not

to take the 5:00 dose today or skip it to help bring my heart rate down. 

Currently resting heart rate is 80-85 and tightness in chest.  What are your

thoughts re:  dosage and heart issues.

Too much too soon, take it slowly as per the link in the other reply

Have a look through all the site in my sig, it will give you a good

background. Feel free to ask questions if there is anything you don't

understand

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

[Guest guest]

>I am concerned about that high bpm and the tightness I feel in my chest today. 

Trying to figure out if I am either over-medicated or just need to give it a

week or so for my body to adjust to the SRT3.  Trying to decide whether or not

to take the 5:00 dose today or skip it to help bring my heart rate down. 

Currently resting heart rate is 80-85 and tightness in chest.  What are your

thoughts re:  dosage and heart issues.

Too much too soon, take it slowly as per the link in the other reply

Have a look through all the site in my sig, it will give you a good

background. Feel free to ask questions if there is anything you don't

understand

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

[Guest guest]

Nick,

thanks so much!! That really helps.

Beth S.

>

> >  Had been on 60mg Armour at 5:00am, 30mg Armour at 11:00 am, and then 60 mg

Armour at 5:00.  Three days ago switched to 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 am and 88mcg SRT3

at 5:00 pm.  First day or so felt  fine. 

>

> I make that 2 1/2 grains of Armour.

>

> From here

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/starting1.htm

>

> The starting dose of T3 that is recommended is 25 a day if you are on

> that Armour dose.

>

> Going straight for 160 of SRT3 is MUCH TO MUCH

> >

> >Last night, I was lying in bed and could feel my pulse going through the

roof.  It was 100-105 bpm.  It lasted for a couple of hours.  Pretty scary.

>

> Not surprised MUCH too much T3

>

> Have a look through here

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> and see what happens if you drop dose and build slowly.

>

> The T4 from the Armour will fade slowly, over a period of weeks, and

> you will need to increase T3 weekly to compensate for that

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Nick,

I am taking slow released t3 -- what is the difference in slow release and breaking up straight t3 doses throughout the day? Which is the preferred method of treatment and why?

Beth

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 5:17:49 PMSubject: Re: Help w/ moving from Armour to SRT3

> Had been on 60mg Armour at 5:00am, 30mg Armour at 11:00 am, and then 60 mg Armour at 5:00. Three days ago switched to 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 am and 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 pm. First day or so felt fine. I make that 2 1/2 grains of Armour.From herehttp://thyroid-rt3.com/starting1.htmThe'>http://thyroid-rt3.com/starting1.htmThe starting dose of T3 that is recommended is 25 a day if you are onthat Armour dose.Going straight for 160 of SRT3 is MUCH TO MUCH>>Last night, I was lying in bed and could feel my pulse going through the roof. It was 100-105 bpm. It lasted for a couple of hours. Pretty scary.Not surprised MUCH too much T3Have a look through herehttp://thyroid- rt3.com/dosing. htmand see what happens if you drop dose and

build slowly.The T4 from the Armour will fade slowly, over a period of weeks, andyou will need to increase T3 weekly to compensate for thatNick

[Guest guest]

Nick,

I am taking slow released t3 -- what is the difference in slow release and breaking up straight t3 doses throughout the day? Which is the preferred method of treatment and why?

Beth

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 5:17:49 PMSubject: Re: Help w/ moving from Armour to SRT3

> Had been on 60mg Armour at 5:00am, 30mg Armour at 11:00 am, and then 60 mg Armour at 5:00. Three days ago switched to 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 am and 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 pm. First day or so felt fine. I make that 2 1/2 grains of Armour.From herehttp://thyroid-rt3.com/starting1.htmThe'>http://thyroid-rt3.com/starting1.htmThe starting dose of T3 that is recommended is 25 a day if you are onthat Armour dose.Going straight for 160 of SRT3 is MUCH TO MUCH>>Last night, I was lying in bed and could feel my pulse going through the roof. It was 100-105 bpm. It lasted for a couple of hours. Pretty scary.Not surprised MUCH too much T3Have a look through herehttp://thyroid- rt3.com/dosing. htmand see what happens if you drop dose and

build slowly.The T4 from the Armour will fade slowly, over a period of weeks, andyou will need to increase T3 weekly to compensate for thatNick

[Guest guest]

Nick,

I am taking slow released t3 -- what is the difference in slow release and breaking up straight t3 doses throughout the day? Which is the preferred method of treatment and why?

Beth

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 5:17:49 PMSubject: Re: Help w/ moving from Armour to SRT3

> Had been on 60mg Armour at 5:00am, 30mg Armour at 11:00 am, and then 60 mg Armour at 5:00. Three days ago switched to 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 am and 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 pm. First day or so felt fine. I make that 2 1/2 grains of Armour.From herehttp://thyroid-rt3.com/starting1.htmThe'>http://thyroid-rt3.com/starting1.htmThe starting dose of T3 that is recommended is 25 a day if you are onthat Armour dose.Going straight for 160 of SRT3 is MUCH TO MUCH>>Last night, I was lying in bed and could feel my pulse going through the roof. It was 100-105 bpm. It lasted for a couple of hours. Pretty scary.Not surprised MUCH too much T3Have a look through herehttp://thyroid- rt3.com/dosing. htmand see what happens if you drop dose and

build slowly.The T4 from the Armour will fade slowly, over a period of weeks, andyou will need to increase T3 weekly to compensate for thatNick

[Guest guest]

Nick,

I just read through the dosing website link you gave me. This looks like it is a conversion chart for t3 tablets -- is this equivalent dosing for slow release compounded capsules? Since they are capsules I cannot cut them. Based on the chart, you would think I would have gone into cardiac arrest by having 166mcg slow release t3 over the past few days instead of the 25mcg as recommended by the chart. Just wanted to make sure we are talking apples to apples.

Thanks again for your time and help.

Beth S.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 9:13:38 PMSubject: Re: Help w/ moving from Armour to SRT3

Nick,

I am taking slow released t3 -- what is the difference in slow release and breaking up straight t3 doses throughout the day? Which is the preferred method of treatment and why?

Beth

From: Nick Foot <lists@oakfield- icelandics. co.uk>To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSent: Sun, December 6, 2009 5:17:49 PMSubject: Re: Help w/ moving from Armour to SRT3

> Had been on 60mg Armour at 5:00am, 30mg Armour at 11:00 am, and then 60 mg Armour at 5:00. Three days ago switched to 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 am and 88mcg SRT3 at 5:00 pm. First day or so felt fine. I make that 2 1/2 grains of Armour.From herehttp://thyroid- rt3.com/starting 1.htmThe starting dose of T3 that is recommended is 25 a day if you are onthat Armour dose.Going straight for 160 of SRT3 is MUCH TO MUCH>>Last night, I was lying in bed and could feel my pulse going through the roof. It was 100-105 bpm. It lasted for a couple of hours. Pretty scary.Not surprised MUCH too much T3Have a look through herehttp://thyroid- rt3.com/dosing.

htmand see what happens if you drop dose and build slowly.The T4 from the Armour will fade slowly, over a period of weeks, andyou will need to increase T3 weekly to compensate for thatNick

[Guest guest]

>I just read through the dosing website link you gave me.  This looks like it is

a conversion  chart for t3 tablets -- is this equivalent dosing for slow release

compounded capsules?  Since they are capsules I cannot cut them.  Based on the

chart, you would think I  would have  gone into cardiac arrest by having 166mcg

slow release t3 over the past  few days instead of the 25mcg as recommended by

the chart.  Just wanted to make sure we are talking apples to apples.

Fortunately you don't get all the T3 that's in the slow release in

your blood stream, there are absorbtion issues

>

>Thanks again for your  time  and help.

It does seem that overdoses on T3 do self limit in some way (probably

be depleting cortisol and then not being able to be utilised), I don't

recommend trying it though.

The dosing for slow release and standard starts off the same, but you

may need 20% to 50% more slow release than you would standard. That

still makes your slow release dose at least 4 times what it should

have been.

We recommend standard release T3 and spread it through the day, it's

easier to adjust dose and you get the benefit of all of it that way,

not to mention it being cheaper.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

[Guest guest]

>I am taking slow released t3 -- what is the difference in slow release and

breaking up straight t3 doses throughout   the day?  Which is the preferred

method of treatment and why?

You don't get all the T3 in the SR, some of it passes through without

being absorbed

The standard T3 is easier to adjust dose on and you will need weekly

dose changes for several months as you increase the T3 to compensate

for your own T4 levels dropping and then for RT3 clearing.

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com