Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I went to the doc yesterday... I managed to get them to test t4 and t3, tsh, and cortisol.... tried for a few others but the Babydoc was resistant [its a teaching hosp.]... Had no problem getting switched to Armour and I have a script for 180mg which I mailed off to costco this am.... 100 tabs will cost about 45. dollars... so I will be starting on that in a week or so. This is actually a bit more than I asked for..but I am not complaining....It is an increase and without new lab work... but since I was only on .1mg synthroid..I am sure it is needed. The head neuro doc was actually impressed that I had researched the disease. She even suggested I take a little more of the magnesium for the muscle spasms and they upped the Baclofen a bit. I should be able to get the results by thursday and I will ask that copies be sent to me..... My EMG showed small nerve fiber neuropathy... mild and if it associated with they hypothyroid it may reverse..... Then I had to trek over to urgent care cause my lungs are inflamed and I am coughing a bit and there is a little blood in the mucus... got a short course of prednisone and an antibiotic for 10 days.... should be ok.....at least is usually works.... Doc there said if it got worse to go directly to the ER.... The head neuro doc said that my blurry vision, depressed senses [hearing, taste, smell all of which have improved] were all symptoms of the hypothyroid as well as many others... and she is pretty sure the muscle spasms and myoclonus is related too. The baby doc wanted to give me something for the myoclonus, but I said no because it was a good indicator of how well the thyroid meds are doing their job and they don't hurt, just irrating.... Now.... I asked a question a while ago... should the selinium be taken with food? And, is the one hour before eating rule the same for Armour? Oh yea... finally got a basal thermometer and for the last 3 days my temp has been fairly steady at about 96.5 in am and 97.2 in pm. This am it was lower at 95.1 which seems so low... so after I had moved just a bit I took it again and it was up to 95.8. Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 See, not one reply from Topper, I new [in my paranoid mind] that that girl is ignoring me....!!!!!!! Is paranoia a symptom of hypoT? C. Doctor Visit Update... I went to the doc yesterday... I managed to get them to test t4 and t3, tsh, and cortisol.... tried for a few others but the Babydoc was resistant [its a teaching hosp.]... Had no problem getting switched to Armour and I have a script for 180mg which I mailed off to costco this am.... 100 tabs will cost about 45. dollars... so I will be starting on that in a week or so. This is actually a bit more than I asked for..but I am not complaining....It is an increase and without new lab work... but since I was only on .1mg synthroid..I am sure it is needed. The head neuro doc was actually impressed that I had researched the disease. She even suggested I take a little more of the magnesium for the muscle spasms and they upped the Baclofen a bit. I should be able to get the results by thursday and I will ask that copies be sent to me..... My EMG showed small nerve fiber neuropathy... mild and if it associated with they hypothyroid it may reverse..... Then I had to trek over to urgent care cause my lungs are inflamed and I am coughing a bit and there is a little blood in the mucus... got a short course of prednisone and an antibiotic for 10 days.... should be ok.....at least is usually works.... Doc there said if it got worse to go directly to the ER.... The head neuro doc said that my blurry vision, depressed senses [hearing, taste, smell all of which have improved] were all symptoms of the hypothyroid as well as many others... and she is pretty sure the muscle spasms and myoclonus is related too. The baby doc wanted to give me something for the myoclonus, but I said no because it was a good indicator of how well the thyroid meds are doing their job and they don't hurt, just irrating.... Now.... I asked a question a while ago... should the selinium be taken with food? And, is the one hour before eating rule the same for Armour? Oh yea... finally got a basal thermometer and for the last 3 days my temp has been fairly steady at about 96.5 in am and 97.2 in pm. This am it was lower at 95.1 which seems so low... so after I had moved just a bit I took it again and it was up to 95.8. Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 See, not one reply from Topper, I new [in my paranoid mind] that that girl is ignoring me....!!!!!!! Is paranoia a symptom of hypoT? C. Doctor Visit Update... I went to the doc yesterday... I managed to get them to test t4 and t3, tsh, and cortisol.... tried for a few others but the Babydoc was resistant [its a teaching hosp.]... Had no problem getting switched to Armour and I have a script for 180mg which I mailed off to costco this am.... 100 tabs will cost about 45. dollars... so I will be starting on that in a week or so. This is actually a bit more than I asked for..but I am not complaining....It is an increase and without new lab work... but since I was only on .1mg synthroid..I am sure it is needed. The head neuro doc was actually impressed that I had researched the disease. She even suggested I take a little more of the magnesium for the muscle spasms and they upped the Baclofen a bit. I should be able to get the results by thursday and I will ask that copies be sent to me..... My EMG showed small nerve fiber neuropathy... mild and if it associated with they hypothyroid it may reverse..... Then I had to trek over to urgent care cause my lungs are inflamed and I am coughing a bit and there is a little blood in the mucus... got a short course of prednisone and an antibiotic for 10 days.... should be ok.....at least is usually works.... Doc there said if it got worse to go directly to the ER.... The head neuro doc said that my blurry vision, depressed senses [hearing, taste, smell all of which have improved] were all symptoms of the hypothyroid as well as many others... and she is pretty sure the muscle spasms and myoclonus is related too. The baby doc wanted to give me something for the myoclonus, but I said no because it was a good indicator of how well the thyroid meds are doing their job and they don't hurt, just irrating.... Now.... I asked a question a while ago... should the selinium be taken with food? And, is the one hour before eating rule the same for Armour? Oh yea... finally got a basal thermometer and for the last 3 days my temp has been fairly steady at about 96.5 in am and 97.2 in pm. This am it was lower at 95.1 which seems so low... so after I had moved just a bit I took it again and it was up to 95.8. Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 See, not one reply from Topper, I new [in my paranoid mind] that that girl is ignoring me....!!!!!!! Is paranoia a symptom of hypoT? C. Doctor Visit Update... I went to the doc yesterday... I managed to get them to test t4 and t3, tsh, and cortisol.... tried for a few others but the Babydoc was resistant [its a teaching hosp.]... Had no problem getting switched to Armour and I have a script for 180mg which I mailed off to costco this am.... 100 tabs will cost about 45. dollars... so I will be starting on that in a week or so. This is actually a bit more than I asked for..but I am not complaining....It is an increase and without new lab work... but since I was only on .1mg synthroid..I am sure it is needed. The head neuro doc was actually impressed that I had researched the disease. She even suggested I take a little more of the magnesium for the muscle spasms and they upped the Baclofen a bit. I should be able to get the results by thursday and I will ask that copies be sent to me..... My EMG showed small nerve fiber neuropathy... mild and if it associated with they hypothyroid it may reverse..... Then I had to trek over to urgent care cause my lungs are inflamed and I am coughing a bit and there is a little blood in the mucus... got a short course of prednisone and an antibiotic for 10 days.... should be ok.....at least is usually works.... Doc there said if it got worse to go directly to the ER.... The head neuro doc said that my blurry vision, depressed senses [hearing, taste, smell all of which have improved] were all symptoms of the hypothyroid as well as many others... and she is pretty sure the muscle spasms and myoclonus is related too. The baby doc wanted to give me something for the myoclonus, but I said no because it was a good indicator of how well the thyroid meds are doing their job and they don't hurt, just irrating.... Now.... I asked a question a while ago... should the selinium be taken with food? And, is the one hour before eating rule the same for Armour? Oh yea... finally got a basal thermometer and for the last 3 days my temp has been fairly steady at about 96.5 in am and 97.2 in pm. This am it was lower at 95.1 which seems so low... so after I had moved just a bit I took it again and it was up to 95.8. Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Eeekkk... but I never got it..... Reminder to everyone... if you don't get an answer in about 24 hours, assume that Yahoo lost it..... or someone blinked and it whizzed by... just go ahead and repost!!!! Jumping from 100 mcg of T4 to 3 grain of natural is quite a hike..... I'd do a grain and a half the first week and see how you respond..... Remember 1 grain of natural is equal to 74 mcg of T4..you're jumping from 100 too 222 that's too much of a hike... Post your labs so we can oggle.... you know everyone here likes to oggle!! *wink* I'd concentrate on dealing with the hypo... the nerve stuff may very well be a symptom of the hypo... I base that on my diagnosed case of Plantar Faccitis and the long lecture on it's care as a permanent, incurable lifetime injury... that went away in a matter of months after switching to natural, my body was never able to properly utilize synthetic. Sounds like an infection in your lungs????? Have you had anything like that before? The blood like that? Big time yes on the hearing, taste, smell etc being things that get mucked up when the body is hypo... it all has to do with response times for the body... the metabolic rate slows, the body's senses are slowed and you miss so much stuff.... Selenium... like most vitamins and meds, should be taken with a meal.... all the stuff interacts chemically and combines and does it's recombining and all the stuff it's supposed to do when you do it with food..... Personally I break up my vitamins and take them with my mini meals... breaking up the multi's the Bs, the selenium, the Cs.. pretty much any tablet that I can split I will..... since I am a firm believer that steady small amounts are easier for a stressed body to be able to make proper and full use of..... I liken it to how well we do with chores.... over do it with physical stuff and you don't get everything done... you stop before the job is finished... what if the insides of our bodies work that way too? If we give them too much of something to process at one time and they can't finish the job...... I can't afford to pee out vitamins before my body can suck them up and use them!!!! You're temps are looking mighty low... are you taking them orally or axillary (I think that's the word... under the arm pit.... ) Remember, some folks can run as much as a full degree lower in the arm pit than under the tongue.... How is your pulse rate doing? Let me know what your waking pulse is and what your resting pulse rate is during the day... spot check it a couple of times. Paranoia? Oh yeah... and self doubt and second guessing.. that's all part of hypo.. and hyper, for that matter.... So I'm gonna say it again... if anyone posts and doesnt' get an answer in about 24 hours.... post again... don't second guess or get paranoid that your question is not worthy of someone's time... I admit that some days I do back off a bit and do other things... but I do try to get caught up and as a general rule admit when I'm behind and catching up.... other times I just don't get a post..... I do my emails off line... so it's a matter of Yahoo getting the mail sent out and my ISP picking it up...... If we didn't want to help..... we wouldn't be here... Third anniversary coming up you know.... yep.. three years!!! I still can't believe it!!! Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!" On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:36:23 -0600 " Cody" writes: See, not one reply from Topper, I new [in my paranoid mind] that that girl is ignoring me....!!!!!!! Is paranoia a symptom of hypoT? C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Eeekkk... but I never got it..... Reminder to everyone... if you don't get an answer in about 24 hours, assume that Yahoo lost it..... or someone blinked and it whizzed by... just go ahead and repost!!!! Jumping from 100 mcg of T4 to 3 grain of natural is quite a hike..... I'd do a grain and a half the first week and see how you respond..... Remember 1 grain of natural is equal to 74 mcg of T4..you're jumping from 100 too 222 that's too much of a hike... Post your labs so we can oggle.... you know everyone here likes to oggle!! *wink* I'd concentrate on dealing with the hypo... the nerve stuff may very well be a symptom of the hypo... I base that on my diagnosed case of Plantar Faccitis and the long lecture on it's care as a permanent, incurable lifetime injury... that went away in a matter of months after switching to natural, my body was never able to properly utilize synthetic. Sounds like an infection in your lungs????? Have you had anything like that before? The blood like that? Big time yes on the hearing, taste, smell etc being things that get mucked up when the body is hypo... it all has to do with response times for the body... the metabolic rate slows, the body's senses are slowed and you miss so much stuff.... Selenium... like most vitamins and meds, should be taken with a meal.... all the stuff interacts chemically and combines and does it's recombining and all the stuff it's supposed to do when you do it with food..... Personally I break up my vitamins and take them with my mini meals... breaking up the multi's the Bs, the selenium, the Cs.. pretty much any tablet that I can split I will..... since I am a firm believer that steady small amounts are easier for a stressed body to be able to make proper and full use of..... I liken it to how well we do with chores.... over do it with physical stuff and you don't get everything done... you stop before the job is finished... what if the insides of our bodies work that way too? If we give them too much of something to process at one time and they can't finish the job...... I can't afford to pee out vitamins before my body can suck them up and use them!!!! You're temps are looking mighty low... are you taking them orally or axillary (I think that's the word... under the arm pit.... ) Remember, some folks can run as much as a full degree lower in the arm pit than under the tongue.... How is your pulse rate doing? Let me know what your waking pulse is and what your resting pulse rate is during the day... spot check it a couple of times. Paranoia? Oh yeah... and self doubt and second guessing.. that's all part of hypo.. and hyper, for that matter.... So I'm gonna say it again... if anyone posts and doesnt' get an answer in about 24 hours.... post again... don't second guess or get paranoid that your question is not worthy of someone's time... I admit that some days I do back off a bit and do other things... but I do try to get caught up and as a general rule admit when I'm behind and catching up.... other times I just don't get a post..... I do my emails off line... so it's a matter of Yahoo getting the mail sent out and my ISP picking it up...... If we didn't want to help..... we wouldn't be here... Third anniversary coming up you know.... yep.. three years!!! I still can't believe it!!! Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!" On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:36:23 -0600 " Cody" writes: See, not one reply from Topper, I new [in my paranoid mind] that that girl is ignoring me....!!!!!!! Is paranoia a symptom of hypoT? C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Eeekkk... but I never got it..... Reminder to everyone... if you don't get an answer in about 24 hours, assume that Yahoo lost it..... or someone blinked and it whizzed by... just go ahead and repost!!!! Jumping from 100 mcg of T4 to 3 grain of natural is quite a hike..... I'd do a grain and a half the first week and see how you respond..... Remember 1 grain of natural is equal to 74 mcg of T4..you're jumping from 100 too 222 that's too much of a hike... Post your labs so we can oggle.... you know everyone here likes to oggle!! *wink* I'd concentrate on dealing with the hypo... the nerve stuff may very well be a symptom of the hypo... I base that on my diagnosed case of Plantar Faccitis and the long lecture on it's care as a permanent, incurable lifetime injury... that went away in a matter of months after switching to natural, my body was never able to properly utilize synthetic. Sounds like an infection in your lungs????? Have you had anything like that before? The blood like that? Big time yes on the hearing, taste, smell etc being things that get mucked up when the body is hypo... it all has to do with response times for the body... the metabolic rate slows, the body's senses are slowed and you miss so much stuff.... Selenium... like most vitamins and meds, should be taken with a meal.... all the stuff interacts chemically and combines and does it's recombining and all the stuff it's supposed to do when you do it with food..... Personally I break up my vitamins and take them with my mini meals... breaking up the multi's the Bs, the selenium, the Cs.. pretty much any tablet that I can split I will..... since I am a firm believer that steady small amounts are easier for a stressed body to be able to make proper and full use of..... I liken it to how well we do with chores.... over do it with physical stuff and you don't get everything done... you stop before the job is finished... what if the insides of our bodies work that way too? If we give them too much of something to process at one time and they can't finish the job...... I can't afford to pee out vitamins before my body can suck them up and use them!!!! You're temps are looking mighty low... are you taking them orally or axillary (I think that's the word... under the arm pit.... ) Remember, some folks can run as much as a full degree lower in the arm pit than under the tongue.... How is your pulse rate doing? Let me know what your waking pulse is and what your resting pulse rate is during the day... spot check it a couple of times. Paranoia? Oh yeah... and self doubt and second guessing.. that's all part of hypo.. and hyper, for that matter.... So I'm gonna say it again... if anyone posts and doesnt' get an answer in about 24 hours.... post again... don't second guess or get paranoid that your question is not worthy of someone's time... I admit that some days I do back off a bit and do other things... but I do try to get caught up and as a general rule admit when I'm behind and catching up.... other times I just don't get a post..... I do my emails off line... so it's a matter of Yahoo getting the mail sent out and my ISP picking it up...... If we didn't want to help..... we wouldn't be here... Third anniversary coming up you know.... yep.. three years!!! I still can't believe it!!! Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!" On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:36:23 -0600 " Cody" writes: See, not one reply from Topper, I new [in my paranoid mind] that that girl is ignoring me....!!!!!!! Is paranoia a symptom of hypoT? C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Is 180mg of armour is 3 grains and the equivilent of 222? .... I thought I did the conversion right!!!.. Must have been brain fog, but I will definetly cut them in 1/2 for a few weeks if that be the case.. it will be a week or so before I get the Armour as I am getting it from Costco online pharmacy..... Anyway please recheck your figures or repost the conversion rates again so I can... look at the bright side if he prescribe double...they will last a lot longer!!!! I will be calling tomorrow for the test results and see if they will mail me copies ASAP. Lungs...I have COPD and so if I get even a mild cold the lungs get inflamed and it can go to bronchitis or worse pneumonia... so I figured if we treated it early... I could avoid all that stuff. Cody Re: Doctor Visit Update... Eeekkk... but I never got it..... Reminder to everyone... if you don't get an answer in about 24 hours, assume that Yahoo lost it..... or someone blinked and it whizzed by... just go ahead and repost!!!! Jumping from 100 mcg of T4 to 3 grain of natural is quite a hike..... I'd do a grain and a half the first week and see how you respond..... Remember 1 grain of natural is equal to 74 mcg of T4..you're jumping from 100 too 222 that's too much of a hike... Post your labs so we can oggle.... you know everyone here likes to oggle!! *wink* I'd concentrate on dealing with the hypo... the nerve stuff may very well be a symptom of the hypo... I base that on my diagnosed case of Plantar Faccitis and the long lecture on it's care as a permanent, incurable lifetime injury... that went away in a matter of months after switching to natural, my body was never able to properly utilize synthetic. Sounds like an infection in your lungs????? Have you had anything like that before? The blood like that? Big time yes on the hearing, taste, smell etc being things that get mucked up when the body is hypo... it all has to do with response times for the body... the metabolic rate slows, the body's senses are slowed and you miss so much stuff.... Selenium... like most vitamins and meds, should be taken with a meal.... all the stuff interacts chemically and combines and does it's recombining and all the stuff it's supposed to do when you do it with food..... Personally I break up my vitamins and take them with my mini meals... breaking up the multi's the Bs, the selenium, the Cs.. pretty much any tablet that I can split I will..... since I am a firm believer that steady small amounts are easier for a stressed body to be able to make proper and full use of..... I liken it to how well we do with chores.... over do it with physical stuff and you don't get everything done... you stop before the job is finished... what if the insides of our bodies work that way too? If we give them too much of something to process at one time and they can't finish the job...... I can't afford to pee out vitamins before my body can suck them up and use them!!!! You're temps are looking mighty low... are you taking them orally or axillary (I think that's the word... under the arm pit.... ) Remember, some folks can run as much as a full degree lower in the arm pit than under the tongue.... How is your pulse rate doing? Let me know what your waking pulse is and what your resting pulse rate is during the day... spot check it a couple of times. Paranoia? Oh yeah... and self doubt and second guessing.. that's all part of hypo.. and hyper, for that matter.... So I'm gonna say it again... if anyone posts and doesnt' get an answer in about 24 hours.... post again... don't second guess or get paranoid that your question is not worthy of someone's time... I admit that some days I do back off a bit and do other things... but I do try to get caught up and as a general rule admit when I'm behind and catching up.... other times I just don't get a post..... I do my emails off line... so it's a matter of Yahoo getting the mail sent out and my ISP picking it up...... If we didn't want to help..... we wouldn't be here... Third anniversary coming up you know.... yep.. three years!!! I still can't believe it!!! Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Forgot the temp part... orally and my temp has been that low for a long long time. This AM it was 97.0 So that was good.... I rarely even get a fever, even when I have a cold or virus. I feel like I have a fever, but the thermometer always shows below normal......at 99. I am really sick and at 101. I am delerious..... C. Re: Doctor Visit Update... You're temps are looking mighty low... are you taking them orally or axillary (I think that's the word... under the arm pit.... ) Remember, some folks can run as much as a full degree lower in the arm pit than under the tongue.... How is your pulse rate doing? Let me know what your waking pulse is and what your resting pulse rate is during the day... spot check it a couple of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 1 grain of Armour is 60 mg 1 grain of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 T3 is four times the biological equivalency of T4 So 1 grain of Armour is 38 plus (9 X 4) which is 74 Three grains of Armour would be 74 times 3 which equals 222 mcg of T4. The numbers come from the Armour website... So you have gotten nearly twice as much as you should have.... assuming that you since you were on 100 mcg of T4 and were going to do an increase from that point... a comfy increase would be about 25 mcg. I would have figured on a grain and a half to start... to see how you reacted to the direct T3, for some it is something that hits them on the hard side... others just suck it right up..... If all goes well the first week and the body is handling the direct T3 from the Armour okay.. then I'd bump it up to 1 3/4 grain.. Then test at the six week mark from that point.... but that's me..... It never ever ever hurts to have someone double check your numbers... as long as I've been doing this... not only for me, but helping others set up too... I actually flubbed up on one of my increases.... I was using a combo of T4 and natural and was figuring my next increase..... as I adjusted the natural and then the synthetic I goofed on the numbers. Since I set up my pills boxes every 12 days... I was just about at the end of that period of time before I noticed symptoms of a drop in hormone..... I checked my numbers and found that instead of increasing the equivalency by 25 mcg for that adjustment I had dropped it by 25 mcg. So... being the intelligent person that I am..... doing that for less than two weeks won't hurt me.... right? So I bumped up the dosage up to what I had planned for that increase which put me up 50 mcg over what I'd taken for that 12 days...... I will NEVER do that again... through me for a loop... That's why I can still relate to how the body adjusts to changes.... I went through a reduction in hormone and then too large and increase... way too close together.... I admit that I'm hypersensitive to adjustments.. not everyone feels it as strongly.. but that doesn't mean that the body isn't feeling the stress of these changes strongly.... so I keep saying it over and over and over again.... patience... allow your body to adjust to the changes and do things in small increments with a long enough period of time in between to allow the body to do all the things that it has to do to accompany a change in levels.... be honest... how many of us went from perfectly normal in a period of time like between Thanksgiving and Christmas? It took YEARS for many of us as our symptoms started and increased and finally got to where we actually noticed that things were off..... it took that long to break... it's not gonna get fixed over night either.... I'm shutting up now... confessing my own stupid mistakes..... Don't do them.... okay? Double check your numbers, if in doubt have someone else check your numbers.... I do them months in advance now and go over and over and over again.. to make sure that I don't ooops again when I'm figuring adjustments in the mess of stuff that I do.... thyroid and adrenals... and all the vitamins and supplements that I take along with it...... I'm still not really up on COPD.... need to learn more.... Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!" On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:42:05 -0600 " Cody" writes: Is 180mg of armour is 3 grains and the equivilent of 222? .... I thought I did the conversion right!!!.. Must have been brain fog, but I will definetly cut them in 1/2 for a few weeks if that be the case.. it will be a week or so before I get the Armour as I am getting it from Costco online pharmacy..... Anyway please recheck your figures or repost the conversion rates again so I can... look at the bright side if he prescribe double...they will last a lot longer!!!! I will be calling tomorrow for the test results and see if they will mail me copies ASAP. Lungs...I have COPD and so if I get even a mild cold the lungs get inflamed and it can go to bronchitis or worse pneumonia... so I figured if we treated it early... I could avoid all that stuff. Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 1 grain of Armour is 60 mg 1 grain of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 T3 is four times the biological equivalency of T4 So 1 grain of Armour is 38 plus (9 X 4) which is 74 Three grains of Armour would be 74 times 3 which equals 222 mcg of T4. The numbers come from the Armour website... So you have gotten nearly twice as much as you should have.... assuming that you since you were on 100 mcg of T4 and were going to do an increase from that point... a comfy increase would be about 25 mcg. I would have figured on a grain and a half to start... to see how you reacted to the direct T3, for some it is something that hits them on the hard side... others just suck it right up..... If all goes well the first week and the body is handling the direct T3 from the Armour okay.. then I'd bump it up to 1 3/4 grain.. Then test at the six week mark from that point.... but that's me..... It never ever ever hurts to have someone double check your numbers... as long as I've been doing this... not only for me, but helping others set up too... I actually flubbed up on one of my increases.... I was using a combo of T4 and natural and was figuring my next increase..... as I adjusted the natural and then the synthetic I goofed on the numbers. Since I set up my pills boxes every 12 days... I was just about at the end of that period of time before I noticed symptoms of a drop in hormone..... I checked my numbers and found that instead of increasing the equivalency by 25 mcg for that adjustment I had dropped it by 25 mcg. So... being the intelligent person that I am..... doing that for less than two weeks won't hurt me.... right? So I bumped up the dosage up to what I had planned for that increase which put me up 50 mcg over what I'd taken for that 12 days...... I will NEVER do that again... through me for a loop... That's why I can still relate to how the body adjusts to changes.... I went through a reduction in hormone and then too large and increase... way too close together.... I admit that I'm hypersensitive to adjustments.. not everyone feels it as strongly.. but that doesn't mean that the body isn't feeling the stress of these changes strongly.... so I keep saying it over and over and over again.... patience... allow your body to adjust to the changes and do things in small increments with a long enough period of time in between to allow the body to do all the things that it has to do to accompany a change in levels.... be honest... how many of us went from perfectly normal in a period of time like between Thanksgiving and Christmas? It took YEARS for many of us as our symptoms started and increased and finally got to where we actually noticed that things were off..... it took that long to break... it's not gonna get fixed over night either.... I'm shutting up now... confessing my own stupid mistakes..... Don't do them.... okay? Double check your numbers, if in doubt have someone else check your numbers.... I do them months in advance now and go over and over and over again.. to make sure that I don't ooops again when I'm figuring adjustments in the mess of stuff that I do.... thyroid and adrenals... and all the vitamins and supplements that I take along with it...... I'm still not really up on COPD.... need to learn more.... Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!" On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:42:05 -0600 " Cody" writes: Is 180mg of armour is 3 grains and the equivilent of 222? .... I thought I did the conversion right!!!.. Must have been brain fog, but I will definetly cut them in 1/2 for a few weeks if that be the case.. it will be a week or so before I get the Armour as I am getting it from Costco online pharmacy..... Anyway please recheck your figures or repost the conversion rates again so I can... look at the bright side if he prescribe double...they will last a lot longer!!!! I will be calling tomorrow for the test results and see if they will mail me copies ASAP. Lungs...I have COPD and so if I get even a mild cold the lungs get inflamed and it can go to bronchitis or worse pneumonia... so I figured if we treated it early... I could avoid all that stuff. Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 1 grain of Armour is 60 mg 1 grain of Armour contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 T3 is four times the biological equivalency of T4 So 1 grain of Armour is 38 plus (9 X 4) which is 74 Three grains of Armour would be 74 times 3 which equals 222 mcg of T4. The numbers come from the Armour website... So you have gotten nearly twice as much as you should have.... assuming that you since you were on 100 mcg of T4 and were going to do an increase from that point... a comfy increase would be about 25 mcg. I would have figured on a grain and a half to start... to see how you reacted to the direct T3, for some it is something that hits them on the hard side... others just suck it right up..... If all goes well the first week and the body is handling the direct T3 from the Armour okay.. then I'd bump it up to 1 3/4 grain.. Then test at the six week mark from that point.... but that's me..... It never ever ever hurts to have someone double check your numbers... as long as I've been doing this... not only for me, but helping others set up too... I actually flubbed up on one of my increases.... I was using a combo of T4 and natural and was figuring my next increase..... as I adjusted the natural and then the synthetic I goofed on the numbers. Since I set up my pills boxes every 12 days... I was just about at the end of that period of time before I noticed symptoms of a drop in hormone..... I checked my numbers and found that instead of increasing the equivalency by 25 mcg for that adjustment I had dropped it by 25 mcg. So... being the intelligent person that I am..... doing that for less than two weeks won't hurt me.... right? So I bumped up the dosage up to what I had planned for that increase which put me up 50 mcg over what I'd taken for that 12 days...... I will NEVER do that again... through me for a loop... That's why I can still relate to how the body adjusts to changes.... I went through a reduction in hormone and then too large and increase... way too close together.... I admit that I'm hypersensitive to adjustments.. not everyone feels it as strongly.. but that doesn't mean that the body isn't feeling the stress of these changes strongly.... so I keep saying it over and over and over again.... patience... allow your body to adjust to the changes and do things in small increments with a long enough period of time in between to allow the body to do all the things that it has to do to accompany a change in levels.... be honest... how many of us went from perfectly normal in a period of time like between Thanksgiving and Christmas? It took YEARS for many of us as our symptoms started and increased and finally got to where we actually noticed that things were off..... it took that long to break... it's not gonna get fixed over night either.... I'm shutting up now... confessing my own stupid mistakes..... Don't do them.... okay? Double check your numbers, if in doubt have someone else check your numbers.... I do them months in advance now and go over and over and over again.. to make sure that I don't ooops again when I'm figuring adjustments in the mess of stuff that I do.... thyroid and adrenals... and all the vitamins and supplements that I take along with it...... I'm still not really up on COPD.... need to learn more.... Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!" On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:42:05 -0600 " Cody" writes: Is 180mg of armour is 3 grains and the equivilent of 222? .... I thought I did the conversion right!!!.. Must have been brain fog, but I will definetly cut them in 1/2 for a few weeks if that be the case.. it will be a week or so before I get the Armour as I am getting it from Costco online pharmacy..... Anyway please recheck your figures or repost the conversion rates again so I can... look at the bright side if he prescribe double...they will last a lot longer!!!! I will be calling tomorrow for the test results and see if they will mail me copies ASAP. Lungs...I have COPD and so if I get even a mild cold the lungs get inflamed and it can go to bronchitis or worse pneumonia... so I figured if we treated it early... I could avoid all that stuff. Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I was like that too.. when the metabolism is so low that the body can't get the temp up you can't get a fever up high enough either.... some folks forget.. fevers are one of the body's defenses against illness... the body temp goes up to kill the 'bugs'... when we are too hypo we can't kill off the bugs..... You've got a ways to go, me thinks, in getting your hormones up to a healthy level.... can't wait to see your last labs.... hope they took the right ones.... Topper () On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:46:31 -0600 " Cody" writes: Forgot the temp part... orally and my temp has been that low for a long long time. This AM it was 97.0 So that was good.... I rarely even get a fever, even when I have a cold or virus. I feel like I have a fever, but the thermometer always shows below normal......at 99. I am really sick and at 101. I am delerious..... C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I was like that too.. when the metabolism is so low that the body can't get the temp up you can't get a fever up high enough either.... some folks forget.. fevers are one of the body's defenses against illness... the body temp goes up to kill the 'bugs'... when we are too hypo we can't kill off the bugs..... You've got a ways to go, me thinks, in getting your hormones up to a healthy level.... can't wait to see your last labs.... hope they took the right ones.... Topper () On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:46:31 -0600 " Cody" writes: Forgot the temp part... orally and my temp has been that low for a long long time. This AM it was 97.0 So that was good.... I rarely even get a fever, even when I have a cold or virus. I feel like I have a fever, but the thermometer always shows below normal......at 99. I am really sick and at 101. I am delerious..... C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I was like that too.. when the metabolism is so low that the body can't get the temp up you can't get a fever up high enough either.... some folks forget.. fevers are one of the body's defenses against illness... the body temp goes up to kill the 'bugs'... when we are too hypo we can't kill off the bugs..... You've got a ways to go, me thinks, in getting your hormones up to a healthy level.... can't wait to see your last labs.... hope they took the right ones.... Topper () On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:46:31 -0600 " Cody" writes: Forgot the temp part... orally and my temp has been that low for a long long time. This AM it was 97.0 So that was good.... I rarely even get a fever, even when I have a cold or virus. I feel like I have a fever, but the thermometer always shows below normal......at 99. I am really sick and at 101. I am delerious..... C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 they did free t4 and t3, tsh and for the adrenals cortisol levels.. what is cortisol going to tell me? C. Re: Doctor Visit Update... I was like that too.. when the metabolism is so low that the body can't get the temp up you can't get a fever up high enough either.... some folks forget.. fevers are one of the body's defenses against illness... the body temp goes up to kill the 'bugs'... when we are too hypo we can't kill off the bugs..... You've got a ways to go, me thinks, in getting your hormones up to a healthy level.... can't wait to see your last labs.... hope they took the right ones.... Topper () On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:46:31 -0600 " Cody" writes: Forgot the temp part... orally and my temp has been that low for a long long time. This AM it was 97.0 So that was good.... I rarely even get a fever, even when I have a cold or virus. I feel like I have a fever, but the thermometer always shows below normal......at 99. I am really sick and at 101. I am delerious..... C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 they did free t4 and t3, tsh and for the adrenals cortisol levels.. what is cortisol going to tell me? C. Re: Doctor Visit Update... I was like that too.. when the metabolism is so low that the body can't get the temp up you can't get a fever up high enough either.... some folks forget.. fevers are one of the body's defenses against illness... the body temp goes up to kill the 'bugs'... when we are too hypo we can't kill off the bugs..... You've got a ways to go, me thinks, in getting your hormones up to a healthy level.... can't wait to see your last labs.... hope they took the right ones.... Topper () On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:46:31 -0600 " Cody" writes: Forgot the temp part... orally and my temp has been that low for a long long time. This AM it was 97.0 So that was good.... I rarely even get a fever, even when I have a cold or virus. I feel like I have a fever, but the thermometer always shows below normal......at 99. I am really sick and at 101. I am delerious..... C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 they did free t4 and t3, tsh and for the adrenals cortisol levels.. what is cortisol going to tell me? C. Re: Doctor Visit Update... I was like that too.. when the metabolism is so low that the body can't get the temp up you can't get a fever up high enough either.... some folks forget.. fevers are one of the body's defenses against illness... the body temp goes up to kill the 'bugs'... when we are too hypo we can't kill off the bugs..... You've got a ways to go, me thinks, in getting your hormones up to a healthy level.... can't wait to see your last labs.... hope they took the right ones.... Topper () On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:46:31 -0600 " Cody" writes: Forgot the temp part... orally and my temp has been that low for a long long time. This AM it was 97.0 So that was good.... I rarely even get a fever, even when I have a cold or virus. I feel like I have a fever, but the thermometer always shows below normal......at 99. I am really sick and at 101. I am delerious..... C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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