Re: Heart Beats Harder Laying Down?

[Guest guest]

Hi , It appears to be both adrenal + stress. I'm going to assume that topper has you taking adrenal in the morning and by the time you're going to bed at night it's worn off so by the time you're going to bed, you put in a full active day. It seems to be your body saying, "Take it a little easier." Sending Love, Rita in Pa wrote: I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had hoped that the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far, no luck. I notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep) that I can feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice it when I stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch or bed or whatever, I can feel it again, but

as soon as I stand up, it's gone (I can't feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an unusual awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one of those things that goes on without you really paying that much attention to it under normal circumstances. The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for pain in my knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I only took it a few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was on Bextra, I actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day but they were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...[pause]...BEAT (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3 beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and freaky, and I told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not take it again, because there had been some known heart problems with it in some

patients. So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes especially at night and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart beats. No more skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but still, it's not right. Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just thought I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some things that could be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests run if it's something as simple as stress or caffeine. Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here too, this was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with adrenals)... I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when you're laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's actually one of those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the dr. office without drawing

blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't know what mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it more so at night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal meds eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA

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[Guest guest]

Hi , It appears to be both adrenal + stress. I'm going to assume that topper has you taking adrenal in the morning and by the time you're going to bed at night it's worn off so by the time you're going to bed, you put in a full active day. It seems to be your body saying, "Take it a little easier." Sending Love, Rita in Pa wrote: I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had hoped that the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far, no luck. I notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep) that I can feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice it when I stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch or bed or whatever, I can feel it again, but

as soon as I stand up, it's gone (I can't feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an unusual awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one of those things that goes on without you really paying that much attention to it under normal circumstances. The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for pain in my knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I only took it a few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was on Bextra, I actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day but they were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...[pause]...BEAT (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3 beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and freaky, and I told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not take it again, because there had been some known heart problems with it in some

patients. So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes especially at night and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart beats. No more skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but still, it's not right. Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just thought I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some things that could be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests run if it's something as simple as stress or caffeine. Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here too, this was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with adrenals)... I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when you're laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's actually one of those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the dr. office without drawing

blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't know what mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it more so at night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal meds eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA

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I have noticed that it gets worse during times of stress. I am starting to do some yoga these days, attempting to stretch and strengthen my muscles after not being used for so long, and that helps me feel better. I don't do anything major yet, just some of the basic poses and stretches. I noticed that after I did that last night about an hour before bed, and when I went to bed I did one of the major relaxation things, I didn't have the heart beat problem nearly as much. I do take the adrenal first thing in the morning, and I go as slowly as possible with adding new activity, but the stress is the real kicker. I'm constantly under some kind of stress, hence the yoga to try to deal with it. Between my husband being an active duty Marine, and dealing with deployments and all the other stresses of the lifestyle, plus all the family stress going on right now in both my and my husband's sides of the family, it's just unavoidable. I have learned to tell people NO now, and that helps, and I've minimized my stress with helping others deal with their problems unless I feel like doing it. The yoga breathing stuff really helps me relax, I take times out of the day randomly but often, to just sit quietly and breathe deeply and clear my mind. It does wonders. I do have high blood pressure, also, though that has improved since starting Synthroid. Was running 150/90, now closer to 135/82, still not ideal but definitely better, and I think once I am able to exercise regularly again and lose some of this extra weight that I've put on in the last several years, that will improve.

Thanks for listening, and I'll try to do more to de-stress

Hi ,

It appears to be both adrenal + stress. I'm going to assume that topper has you taking adrenal in the morning and by the time you're going to bed at night it's worn off so by the time you're going to bed, you put in a full active day. It seems to be your body saying, " Take it a little easier. "

Sending Love, Rita in Pa wrote:

I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had hoped that the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far, no luck. I notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep) that I can feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice it when I stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch or bed or whatever, I can feel it again, but as soon as I stand up, it's gone (I can't feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an unusual awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one of those things that goes on without you really paying that much attention to it under normal circumstances.

The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for pain in my knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I only took it a few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was on Bextra, I actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day but they were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...[pause]...BEAT (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3 beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and freaky, and I told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not take it again, because there had been some known heart problems with it in some patients. So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes especially at night and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart beats. No more skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but still, it's not right.

Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just thought I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some things that could be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests run if it's something as simple as stress or caffeine.

Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here too, this was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with adrenals)...

I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when you're laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's actually one of those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the dr. office without drawing blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't know what mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it more so at night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal meds eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA

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I have noticed that it gets worse during times of stress. I am starting to do some yoga these days, attempting to stretch and strengthen my muscles after not being used for so long, and that helps me feel better. I don't do anything major yet, just some of the basic poses and stretches. I noticed that after I did that last night about an hour before bed, and when I went to bed I did one of the major relaxation things, I didn't have the heart beat problem nearly as much. I do take the adrenal first thing in the morning, and I go as slowly as possible with adding new activity, but the stress is the real kicker. I'm constantly under some kind of stress, hence the yoga to try to deal with it. Between my husband being an active duty Marine, and dealing with deployments and all the other stresses of the lifestyle, plus all the family stress going on right now in both my and my husband's sides of the family, it's just unavoidable. I have learned to tell people NO now, and that helps, and I've minimized my stress with helping others deal with their problems unless I feel like doing it. The yoga breathing stuff really helps me relax, I take times out of the day randomly but often, to just sit quietly and breathe deeply and clear my mind. It does wonders. I do have high blood pressure, also, though that has improved since starting Synthroid. Was running 150/90, now closer to 135/82, still not ideal but definitely better, and I think once I am able to exercise regularly again and lose some of this extra weight that I've put on in the last several years, that will improve.

Thanks for listening, and I'll try to do more to de-stress

Hi ,

It appears to be both adrenal + stress. I'm going to assume that topper has you taking adrenal in the morning and by the time you're going to bed at night it's worn off so by the time you're going to bed, you put in a full active day. It seems to be your body saying, " Take it a little easier. "

Sending Love, Rita in Pa wrote:

I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had hoped that the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far, no luck. I notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep) that I can feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice it when I stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch or bed or whatever, I can feel it again, but as soon as I stand up, it's gone (I can't feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an unusual awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one of those things that goes on without you really paying that much attention to it under normal circumstances.

The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for pain in my knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I only took it a few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was on Bextra, I actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day but they were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...[pause]...BEAT (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3 beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and freaky, and I told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not take it again, because there had been some known heart problems with it in some patients. So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes especially at night and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart beats. No more skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but still, it's not right.

Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just thought I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some things that could be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests run if it's something as simple as stress or caffeine.

Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here too, this was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with adrenals)...

I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when you're laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's actually one of those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the dr. office without drawing blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't know what mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it more so at night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal meds eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA

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I have noticed that it gets worse during times of stress. I am starting to do some yoga these days, attempting to stretch and strengthen my muscles after not being used for so long, and that helps me feel better. I don't do anything major yet, just some of the basic poses and stretches. I noticed that after I did that last night about an hour before bed, and when I went to bed I did one of the major relaxation things, I didn't have the heart beat problem nearly as much. I do take the adrenal first thing in the morning, and I go as slowly as possible with adding new activity, but the stress is the real kicker. I'm constantly under some kind of stress, hence the yoga to try to deal with it. Between my husband being an active duty Marine, and dealing with deployments and all the other stresses of the lifestyle, plus all the family stress going on right now in both my and my husband's sides of the family, it's just unavoidable. I have learned to tell people NO now, and that helps, and I've minimized my stress with helping others deal with their problems unless I feel like doing it. The yoga breathing stuff really helps me relax, I take times out of the day randomly but often, to just sit quietly and breathe deeply and clear my mind. It does wonders. I do have high blood pressure, also, though that has improved since starting Synthroid. Was running 150/90, now closer to 135/82, still not ideal but definitely better, and I think once I am able to exercise regularly again and lose some of this extra weight that I've put on in the last several years, that will improve.

Thanks for listening, and I'll try to do more to de-stress

Hi ,

It appears to be both adrenal + stress. I'm going to assume that topper has you taking adrenal in the morning and by the time you're going to bed at night it's worn off so by the time you're going to bed, you put in a full active day. It seems to be your body saying, " Take it a little easier. "

Sending Love, Rita in Pa wrote:

I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had hoped that the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far, no luck. I notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep) that I can feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice it when I stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch or bed or whatever, I can feel it again, but as soon as I stand up, it's gone (I can't feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an unusual awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one of those things that goes on without you really paying that much attention to it under normal circumstances.

The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for pain in my knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I only took it a few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was on Bextra, I actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day but they were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...[pause]...BEAT (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3 beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and freaky, and I told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not take it again, because there had been some known heart problems with it in some patients. So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes especially at night and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart beats. No more skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but still, it's not right.

Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just thought I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some things that could be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests run if it's something as simple as stress or caffeine.

Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here too, this was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with adrenals)...

I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when you're laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's actually one of those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the dr. office without drawing blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't know what mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it more so at night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal meds eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA

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[Guest guest]

I've had 30 yrs of heart misbeating frequently in a week. EKG's

were done, I even wore a holter monitor for a week - punched it

whenever the heart went off and it recorded my heart, then I called

in and the signal played to their machine. It's been investigated

many times. The conclusion is it is doing something, but it's

common, and not life threatening.

But in all that, here is what I've found that cuts down on my heart

beating hard or misbeating. I was told to go off all sources of

caffeine. Chocolate, caffeinated pop, tea, coffee. Chocolate was

the last I gave up. I had my one glass of sugar free Nestles coco

every night. Heart would beat hard. Finally I stopped it. I was

told to stop ingesting refined sugar - white sugar, corn syrup,

fructose, glucose, sucrose, brown sugar, powdered sugar. White

bread and white rice can set off my heart beating hard and faster.

So, especially don't have any of those things at dinner and later

than dinner.

I do antidepressants and changed from having my family doc monitor

them to going to a psychiatrist, supposed to be one of the best in

town. She immediately lowered the dose of one of my meds until it

stopped interfering with my heart. She jumped right on top of it

like it was crucial, important. Family doc just waved it off when

I'd brought it up. Once I lowered the dose of that med, my heart

misbeating stopped.

To me, misbeating is different than beating hard and faster. And

hard and faster is different than when you need to get to the ER -

that's when it's been at 150 beats per minute (or is it even lower

than that?) persistently. If beating fast means that fast, the

heart at that point isn't beating well enough to move blood out.

It's more like it's sitting there, jiggling like jello. A blood

clot can form and make a heart attack or move to lungs or brain.

I've never seen 5 people gather around me so fast as when I went in

with that. 2 times.

One of the techniques to try to get it to stop beating fast is to

hold your breath and bear down like you are pushing a baby out of

you.

jane

-- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group ,

<stewlis@g...> wrote:

>

> I have noticed that it gets worse during times of stress. I am

starting to

> do some yoga these days, attempting to stretch and strengthen my

muscles

> after not being used for so long, and that helps me feel better.

I don't do

> anything major yet, just some of the basic poses and stretches. I

noticed

> that after I did that last night about an hour before bed, and

when I went

> to bed I did one of the major relaxation things, I didn't have the

heart

> beat problem nearly as much. I do take the adrenal first thing in

the

> morning, and I go as slowly as possible with adding new activity,

but the

> stress is the real kicker. I'm constantly under some kind of

stress, hence

> the yoga to try to deal with it. Between my husband being an

active duty

> Marine, and dealing with deployments and all the other stresses of

the

> lifestyle, plus all the family stress going on right now in both

my and my

> husband's sides of the family, it's just unavoidable. I have

learned to

> tell people NO now, and that helps, and I've minimized my stress

with

> helping others deal with their problems unless I feel like doing

it. The

> yoga breathing stuff really helps me relax, I take times out of

the day

> randomly but often, to just sit quietly and breathe deeply and

clear my

> mind. It does wonders. I do have high blood pressure, also,

though that

> has improved since starting Synthroid. Was running 150/90, now

closer to

> 135/82, still not ideal but definitely better, and I think once I

am able to

> exercise regularly again and lose some of this extra weight that

I've put on

> in the last several years, that will improve.

>

> Thanks for listening, and I'll try to do more to de-stress

>

>

>

> On 12/28/05, Rita STAFFORD-BONES <rainbow_wolf2656@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > It appears to be both adrenal + stress. I'm going to assume that

topper

> > has you taking adrenal in the morning and by the time you're

going to bed at

> > night it's worn off so by the time you're going to bed, you put

in a full

> > active day. It seems to be your body saying, " Take it a little

easier. "

> >

> > Sending Love, Rita in Pa

> >

> > * <stewlis@g...>* wrote:

> >

> > I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had

hoped that

> > the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far,

no luck. I

> > notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep)

that I can

> > feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice

it when I

> > stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch

or bed or

> > whatever, I can feel it again, but as soon as I stand up, it's

gone (I can't

> > feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an

unusual

> > awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one

of those

> > things that goes on without you really paying that much

attention to it

> > under normal circumstances.

> >

> > The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for

pain in my

> > knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I

only took it a

> > few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was

on Bextra, I

> > actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day

but they

> > were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...

[pause]...BEAT

> > (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3

> > beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and

freaky, and I

> > told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not

take it again,

> > because there had been some known heart problems with it in some

patients.

> > So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes

especially at night

> > and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart

beats. No more

> > skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but

still, it's

> > not right.

> >

> > Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just

thought

> > I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some

things that could

> > be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests

run if it's

> > something as simple as stress or caffeine.

> >

> > Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here

too, this

> > was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with

adrenals)...

> > I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when

you're

> > laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's

actually one of

> > those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the

dr. office

> > without drawing blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't

know what

> > mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it

more so at

> > night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal

meds

> > eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again?

> >

> > --

> > (stewlis)

> > ville, NC, USA

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I've had 30 yrs of heart misbeating frequently in a week. EKG's

were done, I even wore a holter monitor for a week - punched it

whenever the heart went off and it recorded my heart, then I called

in and the signal played to their machine. It's been investigated

many times. The conclusion is it is doing something, but it's

common, and not life threatening.

But in all that, here is what I've found that cuts down on my heart

beating hard or misbeating. I was told to go off all sources of

caffeine. Chocolate, caffeinated pop, tea, coffee. Chocolate was

the last I gave up. I had my one glass of sugar free Nestles coco

every night. Heart would beat hard. Finally I stopped it. I was

told to stop ingesting refined sugar - white sugar, corn syrup,

fructose, glucose, sucrose, brown sugar, powdered sugar. White

bread and white rice can set off my heart beating hard and faster.

So, especially don't have any of those things at dinner and later

than dinner.

I do antidepressants and changed from having my family doc monitor

them to going to a psychiatrist, supposed to be one of the best in

town. She immediately lowered the dose of one of my meds until it

stopped interfering with my heart. She jumped right on top of it

like it was crucial, important. Family doc just waved it off when

I'd brought it up. Once I lowered the dose of that med, my heart

misbeating stopped.

To me, misbeating is different than beating hard and faster. And

hard and faster is different than when you need to get to the ER -

that's when it's been at 150 beats per minute (or is it even lower

than that?) persistently. If beating fast means that fast, the

heart at that point isn't beating well enough to move blood out.

It's more like it's sitting there, jiggling like jello. A blood

clot can form and make a heart attack or move to lungs or brain.

I've never seen 5 people gather around me so fast as when I went in

with that. 2 times.

One of the techniques to try to get it to stop beating fast is to

hold your breath and bear down like you are pushing a baby out of

you.

jane

-- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group ,

<stewlis@g...> wrote:

>

> I have noticed that it gets worse during times of stress. I am

starting to

> do some yoga these days, attempting to stretch and strengthen my

muscles

> after not being used for so long, and that helps me feel better.

I don't do

> anything major yet, just some of the basic poses and stretches. I

noticed

> that after I did that last night about an hour before bed, and

when I went

> to bed I did one of the major relaxation things, I didn't have the

heart

> beat problem nearly as much. I do take the adrenal first thing in

the

> morning, and I go as slowly as possible with adding new activity,

but the

> stress is the real kicker. I'm constantly under some kind of

stress, hence

> the yoga to try to deal with it. Between my husband being an

active duty

> Marine, and dealing with deployments and all the other stresses of

the

> lifestyle, plus all the family stress going on right now in both

my and my

> husband's sides of the family, it's just unavoidable. I have

learned to

> tell people NO now, and that helps, and I've minimized my stress

with

> helping others deal with their problems unless I feel like doing

it. The

> yoga breathing stuff really helps me relax, I take times out of

the day

> randomly but often, to just sit quietly and breathe deeply and

clear my

> mind. It does wonders. I do have high blood pressure, also,

though that

> has improved since starting Synthroid. Was running 150/90, now

closer to

> 135/82, still not ideal but definitely better, and I think once I

am able to

> exercise regularly again and lose some of this extra weight that

I've put on

> in the last several years, that will improve.

>

> Thanks for listening, and I'll try to do more to de-stress

>

>

>

> On 12/28/05, Rita STAFFORD-BONES <rainbow_wolf2656@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > It appears to be both adrenal + stress. I'm going to assume that

topper

> > has you taking adrenal in the morning and by the time you're

going to bed at

> > night it's worn off so by the time you're going to bed, you put

in a full

> > active day. It seems to be your body saying, " Take it a little

easier. "

> >

> > Sending Love, Rita in Pa

> >

> > * <stewlis@g...>* wrote:

> >

> > I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had

hoped that

> > the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far,

no luck. I

> > notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep)

that I can

> > feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice

it when I

> > stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch

or bed or

> > whatever, I can feel it again, but as soon as I stand up, it's

gone (I can't

> > feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an

unusual

> > awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one

of those

> > things that goes on without you really paying that much

attention to it

> > under normal circumstances.

> >

> > The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for

pain in my

> > knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I

only took it a

> > few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was

on Bextra, I

> > actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day

but they

> > were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...

[pause]...BEAT

> > (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3

> > beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and

freaky, and I

> > told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not

take it again,

> > because there had been some known heart problems with it in some

patients.

> > So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes

especially at night

> > and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart

beats. No more

> > skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but

still, it's

> > not right.

> >

> > Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just

thought

> > I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some

things that could

> > be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests

run if it's

> > something as simple as stress or caffeine.

> >

> > Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here

too, this

> > was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with

adrenals)...

> > I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when

you're

> > laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's

actually one of

> > those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the

dr. office

> > without drawing blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't

know what

> > mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it

more so at

> > night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal

meds

> > eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again?

> >

> > --

> > (stewlis)

> > ville, NC, USA

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I've had 30 yrs of heart misbeating frequently in a week. EKG's

were done, I even wore a holter monitor for a week - punched it

whenever the heart went off and it recorded my heart, then I called

in and the signal played to their machine. It's been investigated

many times. The conclusion is it is doing something, but it's

common, and not life threatening.

But in all that, here is what I've found that cuts down on my heart

beating hard or misbeating. I was told to go off all sources of

caffeine. Chocolate, caffeinated pop, tea, coffee. Chocolate was

the last I gave up. I had my one glass of sugar free Nestles coco

every night. Heart would beat hard. Finally I stopped it. I was

told to stop ingesting refined sugar - white sugar, corn syrup,

fructose, glucose, sucrose, brown sugar, powdered sugar. White

bread and white rice can set off my heart beating hard and faster.

So, especially don't have any of those things at dinner and later

than dinner.

I do antidepressants and changed from having my family doc monitor

them to going to a psychiatrist, supposed to be one of the best in

town. She immediately lowered the dose of one of my meds until it

stopped interfering with my heart. She jumped right on top of it

like it was crucial, important. Family doc just waved it off when

I'd brought it up. Once I lowered the dose of that med, my heart

misbeating stopped.

To me, misbeating is different than beating hard and faster. And

hard and faster is different than when you need to get to the ER -

that's when it's been at 150 beats per minute (or is it even lower

than that?) persistently. If beating fast means that fast, the

heart at that point isn't beating well enough to move blood out.

It's more like it's sitting there, jiggling like jello. A blood

clot can form and make a heart attack or move to lungs or brain.

I've never seen 5 people gather around me so fast as when I went in

with that. 2 times.

One of the techniques to try to get it to stop beating fast is to

hold your breath and bear down like you are pushing a baby out of

you.

jane

-- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group ,

<stewlis@g...> wrote:

>

> I have noticed that it gets worse during times of stress. I am

starting to

> do some yoga these days, attempting to stretch and strengthen my

muscles

> after not being used for so long, and that helps me feel better.

I don't do

> anything major yet, just some of the basic poses and stretches. I

noticed

> that after I did that last night about an hour before bed, and

when I went

> to bed I did one of the major relaxation things, I didn't have the

heart

> beat problem nearly as much. I do take the adrenal first thing in

the

> morning, and I go as slowly as possible with adding new activity,

but the

> stress is the real kicker. I'm constantly under some kind of

stress, hence

> the yoga to try to deal with it. Between my husband being an

active duty

> Marine, and dealing with deployments and all the other stresses of

the

> lifestyle, plus all the family stress going on right now in both

my and my

> husband's sides of the family, it's just unavoidable. I have

learned to

> tell people NO now, and that helps, and I've minimized my stress

with

> helping others deal with their problems unless I feel like doing

it. The

> yoga breathing stuff really helps me relax, I take times out of

the day

> randomly but often, to just sit quietly and breathe deeply and

clear my

> mind. It does wonders. I do have high blood pressure, also,

though that

> has improved since starting Synthroid. Was running 150/90, now

closer to

> 135/82, still not ideal but definitely better, and I think once I

am able to

> exercise regularly again and lose some of this extra weight that

I've put on

> in the last several years, that will improve.

>

> Thanks for listening, and I'll try to do more to de-stress

>

>

>

> On 12/28/05, Rita STAFFORD-BONES <rainbow_wolf2656@y...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > It appears to be both adrenal + stress. I'm going to assume that

topper

> > has you taking adrenal in the morning and by the time you're

going to bed at

> > night it's worn off so by the time you're going to bed, you put

in a full

> > active day. It seems to be your body saying, " Take it a little

easier. "

> >

> > Sending Love, Rita in Pa

> >

> > * <stewlis@g...>* wrote:

> >

> > I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had

hoped that

> > the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far,

no luck. I

> > notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep)

that I can

> > feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice

it when I

> > stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch

or bed or

> > whatever, I can feel it again, but as soon as I stand up, it's

gone (I can't

> > feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an

unusual

> > awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one

of those

> > things that goes on without you really paying that much

attention to it

> > under normal circumstances.

> >

> > The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for

pain in my

> > knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I

only took it a

> > few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was

on Bextra, I

> > actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day

but they

> > were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...

[pause]...BEAT

> > (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3

> > beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and

freaky, and I

> > told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not

take it again,

> > because there had been some known heart problems with it in some

patients.

> > So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes

especially at night

> > and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart

beats. No more

> > skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but

still, it's

> > not right.

> >

> > Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just

thought

> > I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some

things that could

> > be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests

run if it's

> > something as simple as stress or caffeine.

> >

> > Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here

too, this

> > was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with

adrenals)...

> > I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when

you're

> > laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's

actually one of

> > those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the

dr. office

> > without drawing blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't

know what

> > mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it

more so at

> > night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal

meds

> > eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again?

> >

> > --

> > (stewlis)

> > ville, NC, USA

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

, is it worst laying on the right side, as opposed to the left side? This is how I notice mine to be, when it does start happening. I have read some things concerning compressing certain large blood vessels in the chest, when laying on the right side, but they only refer to this during pregnancy, in the articles I've read. It seems like they refer to it as having something to do with the aorta, which is the large blood vessel that brings the blood away from the heart. I still don't understand the details there, as what I read was very technical in nature. When laying down, it is as though there is a major deregulation of the way the blood flows to and away from the heart. I have read that people who have this also have deregulation of the blood flow to the head, when in standing position (postural hypotension, even though they may have hypertension when in a normal sedentary position). It is complicated, I know. With the tinnitus I have, it makes it seem that much more noticeable, as I can "hear" the tinnitus in synchronicity with my heartbeat. What's weird is that these palps or whatever they're called, are not there ALL the time when laying down???

Heart Beats Harder Laying Down?

I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had hoped that the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far, no luck. I notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep) that I can feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice it when I stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch or bed or whatever, I can feel it again, but as soon as I stand up, it's gone (I can't feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an unusual awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one of those things that goes on without you really paying that much attention to it under normal circumstances.

The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for pain in my knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I only took it a few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was on Bextra, I actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day but they were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...[pause]...BEAT (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3 beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and freaky, and I told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not take it again, because there had been some known heart problems with it in some patients. So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes especially at night and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart beats. No more skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but still, it's not right.

Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just thought I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some things that could be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests run if it's something as simple as stress or caffeine.

Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here too, this was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with adrenals)...

I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when you're laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's actually one of those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the dr. office without drawing blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't know what mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it more so at night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal meds eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA

[Guest guest]

, is it worst laying on the right side, as opposed to the left side? This is how I notice mine to be, when it does start happening. I have read some things concerning compressing certain large blood vessels in the chest, when laying on the right side, but they only refer to this during pregnancy, in the articles I've read. It seems like they refer to it as having something to do with the aorta, which is the large blood vessel that brings the blood away from the heart. I still don't understand the details there, as what I read was very technical in nature. When laying down, it is as though there is a major deregulation of the way the blood flows to and away from the heart. I have read that people who have this also have deregulation of the blood flow to the head, when in standing position (postural hypotension, even though they may have hypertension when in a normal sedentary position). It is complicated, I know. With the tinnitus I have, it makes it seem that much more noticeable, as I can "hear" the tinnitus in synchronicity with my heartbeat. What's weird is that these palps or whatever they're called, are not there ALL the time when laying down???

Heart Beats Harder Laying Down?

I have had this problem going on a couple years now, and I had hoped that the adrenal and thyroid meds would somehow fix it, but so far, no luck. I notice that when I lay down (especially at night to go to sleep) that I can feel my heart beating, pretty hard actually, and I don't notice it when I stand back up. Even during the day, if I lay down on the couch or bed or whatever, I can feel it again, but as soon as I stand up, it's gone (I can't feel it). I read somewhere that palpitations are defined as an unusual awareness of one's heart beating...supposedly, it should be one of those things that goes on without you really paying that much attention to it under normal circumstances.

The onset of this coincided with my taking Bextra, a drug for pain in my knees that has since been recalled due to heart problems. I only took it a few times, and linked the funny heart beats to it. When I was on Bextra, I actually had palpitations, and I could feel them any time of day but they were worse at night. It would be like...beat, beat, beat...[pause]...BEAT (really hard beat there)...then normal again for about 3 beats...beat...beat...beat...........BEAT. It was weird and freaky, and I told the doc about it, and he said to stop the Bextra and not take it again, because there had been some known heart problems with it in some patients. So, I stopped taking it, but ever since then, sometimes especially at night and a lot more often here lately, I just feel harder heart beats. No more skipping beats with the THUD on the beat after it skipped, but still, it's not right.

Any ideas? Of course, I'll mention it to the doctor, but I just thought I'd see if anyone had any similar experiences or knew some things that could be possibilities before I go in and face having a million tests run if it's something as simple as stress or caffeine.

Topper (but of cousre if anyone else knows they can jump in here too, this was just sort of specific to Topper cos she's guiding me with adrenals)...

I noticed something about a difference in blood pressure when you're laying down vs. standing with adrenal insufficiency, it's actually one of those little tests that can be done to rule it in or out in the dr. office without drawing blood. I never have tried doing it, so I don't know what mine is, but is that a possible reason for it to be feeling it more so at night than daytime when standing, and if so, will the adrenal meds eventually fix it when the adrenals get working properly again? -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA