Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

[Guest guest]

Hey Henry,

Your problem is a first responder is putting someone on oxygen? Man how times

have changed....this to me would be a " good " problem to have...

Dudley

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

chicken.... but it did make you smile..... I have been married only once....

took me 34 years to say this just isn't working..... tenacity sometimes is just

unproductive....

Henry wrote: Red,

I have been married way to many times to start talking about the gals in

my department which by the way out number us guys 3-1.

Henry

Red wrote:

> Why don't you guys discuss the virtues of men vs women paramedics....

> I know that you all only give lip service to the equal thing.....see I

> know how your minds really work..... I listen to you talk among

> yourselves in ER.... you really don't think they are as good.....

> Anybody? Speak up now....?

>

> lnmolino@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:45:39 PM Central Standard Time,

> redamla@... writes:

>

> I bet you haven't had this long a conversation with your wives...

>

>

> Not since May 15, 2002, in my case but that ain't neither oone of our

> faults

> it's the guy that drove the car through a NJ Mc's.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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[Guest guest]

Actually, a good number of first responders are certified as ECA or

EMT status. Also, these organizations actually fall under the Good

Samaritian Act...I have been a FR for 8 years, and the whole time as

an EMT...and now going back to school for EMT-I...and STILL a first

responder...

> >

> > Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

> > volunteer

> > Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> > arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> > informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even

if we

> >

> > pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their

first

> > responder status, this individual or anyone else in their

department

> > can

> > continue to do as they please.

> >

> > No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport

agencies

> > really have no control over the First Responder.

> >

> >

> > Henry

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Actually, a good number of first responders are certified as ECA or

EMT status. Also, these organizations actually fall under the Good

Samaritian Act...I have been a FR for 8 years, and the whole time as

an EMT...and now going back to school for EMT-I...and STILL a first

responder...

> >

> > Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

> > volunteer

> > Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> > arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> > informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even

if we

> >

> > pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their

first

> > responder status, this individual or anyone else in their

department

> > can

> > continue to do as they please.

> >

> > No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport

agencies

> > really have no control over the First Responder.

> >

> >

> > Henry

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Actually, a good number of first responders are certified as ECA or

EMT status. Also, these organizations actually fall under the Good

Samaritian Act...I have been a FR for 8 years, and the whole time as

an EMT...and now going back to school for EMT-I...and STILL a first

responder...

> >

> > Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

> > volunteer

> > Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> > arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> > informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even

if we

> >

> > pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their

first

> > responder status, this individual or anyone else in their

department

> > can

> > continue to do as they please.

> >

> > No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport

agencies

> > really have no control over the First Responder.

> >

> >

> > Henry

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Because the general public does not know the difference. They think were

all part of the EMS system. If nothing else, if they piss off the

patient, we will be held responsible for it when we get on scene.

Henry

lnmolino@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/2/2006 3:07:50 PM Central Standard Time,

> hbarber@... writes:

>

> Remember as the transporting agency we are

> responsible for everything the first responder does.

>

>

> I thought in this situation that started this thread it was a non FRO

> based

> VFD in the picture? If so how does what is done on the scene prior to

> the

> transport agency getting on scene reflect back on them assuming they

> do all that

> needs to be done once they get on the scene?

>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@...

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>

> discuss people. "

> Eleanor Roosevelt

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

> intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

> domain by the

> original author.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Because the general public does not know the difference. They think were

all part of the EMS system. If nothing else, if they piss off the

patient, we will be held responsible for it when we get on scene.

Henry

lnmolino@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/2/2006 3:07:50 PM Central Standard Time,

> hbarber@... writes:

>

> Remember as the transporting agency we are

> responsible for everything the first responder does.

>

>

> I thought in this situation that started this thread it was a non FRO

> based

> VFD in the picture? If so how does what is done on the scene prior to

> the

> transport agency getting on scene reflect back on them assuming they

> do all that

> needs to be done once they get on the scene?

>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@...

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>

> discuss people. "

> Eleanor Roosevelt

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

> intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

> domain by the

> original author.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Because the general public does not know the difference. They think were

all part of the EMS system. If nothing else, if they piss off the

patient, we will be held responsible for it when we get on scene.

Henry

lnmolino@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/2/2006 3:07:50 PM Central Standard Time,

> hbarber@... writes:

>

> Remember as the transporting agency we are

> responsible for everything the first responder does.

>

>

> I thought in this situation that started this thread it was a non FRO

> based

> VFD in the picture? If so how does what is done on the scene prior to

> the

> transport agency getting on scene reflect back on them assuming they

> do all that

> needs to be done once they get on the scene?

>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@...

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>

> discuss people. "

> Eleanor Roosevelt

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

> and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

> with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

> intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

> materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

> domain by the

> original author.

>

>

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