Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

[Guest guest]

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Because oxygen is a prescription drug that should be administered by a trained

and/or certified provider. Similarly, coronary artery bypass graft operations

are not a bad thing, but they should be done by trained licensed professionals.

*grin*

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Because oxygen is a prescription drug that should be administered by a trained

and/or certified provider. Similarly, coronary artery bypass graft operations

are not a bad thing, but they should be done by trained licensed professionals.

*grin*

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

Because oxygen is a prescription drug that should be administered by a trained

and/or certified provider. Similarly, coronary artery bypass graft operations

are not a bad thing, but they should be done by trained licensed professionals.

*grin*

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

So I would take it that the Fire Fighter is not a trained/Certified EMT? Why

are the fire fighters responding if they are not contacted by someone?

So many questions. So few answers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

Because oxygen is a prescription drug that should be administered by a trained

and/or certified provider. Similarly, coronary artery bypass graft operations

are not a bad thing, but they should be done by trained licensed professionals.

*grin*

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

So I would take it that the Fire Fighter is not a trained/Certified EMT? Why

are the fire fighters responding if they are not contacted by someone?

So many questions. So few answers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

Because oxygen is a prescription drug that should be administered by a trained

and/or certified provider. Similarly, coronary artery bypass graft operations

are not a bad thing, but they should be done by trained licensed professionals.

*grin*

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

So I would take it that the Fire Fighter is not a trained/Certified EMT? Why

are the fire fighters responding if they are not contacted by someone?

So many questions. So few answers.

ExLngHrn@... wrote:

Because oxygen is a prescription drug that should be administered by a trained

and/or certified provider. Similarly, coronary artery bypass graft operations

are not a bad thing, but they should be done by trained licensed professionals.

*grin*

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

Austin, Texas

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a bad

thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

The oxygen extraction ratio for a healthy human is between 0.2 and 0.3

(20-30%). Thus, we have a large capacity to meet excess demand. This, or

course, diminishes with disease. So, instead of putting oxygen on a

12-year-old skateboarder with a Colle's fracture, save it for the

76-year-old with CHF. While oxygen is benign for the most part, there is

cost involved. It can add to an explosion hazard. It is uncomfortable at

high-flows and can dry out the mucous membranes causing dryness and

bleeding. So, back to the argument at hand: why use something that has very,

very little likelihood or benefiting the patient.

The bigger point is EMS people should problem solve and not simply use

cookbook protocols to treat every patient. It takes humans for the former

and simians could do the latter.

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a

bad thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

The oxygen extraction ratio for a healthy human is between 0.2 and 0.3

(20-30%). Thus, we have a large capacity to meet excess demand. This, or

course, diminishes with disease. So, instead of putting oxygen on a

12-year-old skateboarder with a Colle's fracture, save it for the

76-year-old with CHF. While oxygen is benign for the most part, there is

cost involved. It can add to an explosion hazard. It is uncomfortable at

high-flows and can dry out the mucous membranes causing dryness and

bleeding. So, back to the argument at hand: why use something that has very,

very little likelihood or benefiting the patient.

The bigger point is EMS people should problem solve and not simply use

cookbook protocols to treat every patient. It takes humans for the former

and simians could do the latter.

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a

bad thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

The oxygen extraction ratio for a healthy human is between 0.2 and 0.3

(20-30%). Thus, we have a large capacity to meet excess demand. This, or

course, diminishes with disease. So, instead of putting oxygen on a

12-year-old skateboarder with a Colle's fracture, save it for the

76-year-old with CHF. While oxygen is benign for the most part, there is

cost involved. It can add to an explosion hazard. It is uncomfortable at

high-flows and can dry out the mucous membranes causing dryness and

bleeding. So, back to the argument at hand: why use something that has very,

very little likelihood or benefiting the patient.

The bigger point is EMS people should problem solve and not simply use

cookbook protocols to treat every patient. It takes humans for the former

and simians could do the latter.

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a

bad thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

The question was posed to see if patient care is the issue problem or turff

issues were more prevalant.

If the firefighters were asked to respond as a FRO why be concerned? Oxygen

can be turned down or even turned off can it not?

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

The oxygen extraction ratio for a healthy human is between 0.2 and 0.3

(20-30%). Thus, we have a large capacity to meet excess demand. This, or

course, diminishes with disease. So, instead of putting oxygen on a

12-year-old skateboarder with a Colle's fracture, save it for the

76-year-old with CHF. While oxygen is benign for the most part, there is

cost involved. It can add to an explosion hazard. It is uncomfortable at

high-flows and can dry out the mucous membranes causing dryness and

bleeding. So, back to the argument at hand: why use something that has very,

very little likelihood or benefiting the patient.

The bigger point is EMS people should problem solve and not simply use

cookbook protocols to treat every patient. It takes humans for the former

and simians could do the latter.

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a

bad thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

The original post does'nt mention getting talked to about

administering oxygen, It talked about administering Albuterol.

Danny

>

> Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

volunteer

> Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if

we

> pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their

first

> responder status, this individual or anyone else in their

department can

> continue to do as they please.

>

> No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

> really have no control over the First Responder.

>

>

> Henry

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

YOU GUYS, AS MY MAMA WOULD SAY, DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRODUCTIVE WORK TO DO.... GO

MOW THE YARD..... CLEAN THE KITCHEN...... THERE COMES A POINT WHEN YOU HAVE BEAT

A SUBJECT TO DEATH..... YOU ALL KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AND WHAT YOU

MEAN......YOU ARE PLAYING WITH WORDS...... While above all things on this planet

I admire most a man with an intelligent mind and enough education and reason to

articulate his thoughts.... not to mention the inclination...... I bet you

haven't had this long a conversation with your wives... excuse me here girls....

but I am diverting them to another topic..... in the last five years......

Danny wrote: The question was posed to see if

patient care is the issue problem or turff issues were more prevalant.

If the firefighters were asked to respond as a FRO why be concerned? Oxygen

can be turned down or even turned off can it not?

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote:

The oxygen extraction ratio for a healthy human is between 0.2 and 0.3

(20-30%). Thus, we have a large capacity to meet excess demand. This, or

course, diminishes with disease. So, instead of putting oxygen on a

12-year-old skateboarder with a Colle's fracture, save it for the

76-year-old with CHF. While oxygen is benign for the most part, there is

cost involved. It can add to an explosion hazard. It is uncomfortable at

high-flows and can dry out the mucous membranes causing dryness and

bleeding. So, back to the argument at hand: why use something that has very,

very little likelihood or benefiting the patient.

The bigger point is EMS people should problem solve and not simply use

cookbook protocols to treat every patient. It takes humans for the former

and simians could do the latter.

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen be a

bad thing?

Henry wrote:

Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a volunteer

Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department can

continue to do as they please.

No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

really have no control over the First Responder.

Henry

[Guest guest]

True. The most recent post spoke about oxygen delivery. Thus the comments about

same.

Danny wrote:

The original post does'nt mention getting talked to about

administering oxygen, It talked about administering Albuterol.

Danny

>

> Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

volunteer

> Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if

we

> pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their

first

> responder status, this individual or anyone else in their

department can

> continue to do as they please.

>

> No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

> really have no control over the First Responder.

>

>

> Henry

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

True. The most recent post spoke about oxygen delivery. Thus the comments about

same.

Danny wrote:

The original post does'nt mention getting talked to about

administering oxygen, It talked about administering Albuterol.

Danny

>

> Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

volunteer

> Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if

we

> pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their

first

> responder status, this individual or anyone else in their

department can

> continue to do as they please.

>

> No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

> really have no control over the First Responder.

>

>

> Henry

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let me explain as I have known Lou a long time. When living in Southern New

Jersey, Lou's wife was working the night shift at Mc's in southern New

Jersey. A large car ran into the restaurant killing her immediately and

another co-worker as I recall. Lou was left with 4 children. So, before you

question one's personal life and interactions with wives and/or girls, think

that the comment might be harmful--especially that it has zero to do with

the conversation at hand.

Lou, you may be a damned Yankee and a pain in the ass--but you are a good

person and an asset to the fire service and EMS.

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:45:39 PM Central Standard Time,

redamla@... writes:

I bet you haven't had this long a conversation with your wives...

Not since May 15, 2002, in my case but that ain't neither oone of our

faults

it's the guy that drove the car through a NJ Mc's.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people. "

Eleanor Roosevelt

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Let me explain as I have known Lou a long time. When living in Southern New

Jersey, Lou's wife was working the night shift at Mc's in southern New

Jersey. A large car ran into the restaurant killing her immediately and

another co-worker as I recall. Lou was left with 4 children. So, before you

question one's personal life and interactions with wives and/or girls, think

that the comment might be harmful--especially that it has zero to do with

the conversation at hand.

Lou, you may be a damned Yankee and a pain in the ass--but you are a good

person and an asset to the fire service and EMS.

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:45:39 PM Central Standard Time,

redamla@... writes:

I bet you haven't had this long a conversation with your wives...

Not since May 15, 2002, in my case but that ain't neither oone of our

faults

it's the guy that drove the car through a NJ Mc's.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people. "

Eleanor Roosevelt

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Oh for crying out loud... I wasn't questioning anyone's personal lives.....

sometimes these comments get too hostile..... they need a little humor.....

someone to back off... or everyone to back off and show professional

courtesy.... I wouldn't intentionally offend anyone..... ever..... And I must

now apologize to Lou... of course not having a clue as to what he was talking

about... This site is you guys' and what you do in it is certainly up to you....

my opinion is that sometimes it isn't productive, and perhaps people become

offended and have less than a positive experience.... take nothing away

professionally or otherwise..... you certainly are free however to spend your

time however you choose...... I enjoy the educational part....learn a lot.....

just not the run this one or that one down part......

" Bledsoe, DO " wrote: Let me explain as I have

known Lou a long time. When living in Southern New

Jersey, Lou's wife was working the night shift at Mc's in southern New

Jersey. A large car ran into the restaurant killing her immediately and

another co-worker as I recall. Lou was left with 4 children. So, before you

question one's personal life and interactions with wives and/or girls, think

that the comment might be harmful--especially that it has zero to do with

the conversation at hand.

Lou, you may be a damned Yankee and a pain in the ass--but you are a good

person and an asset to the fire service and EMS.

Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:45:39 PM Central Standard Time,

redamla@... writes:

I bet you haven't had this long a conversation with your wives...

Not since May 15, 2002, in my case but that ain't neither oone of our

faults

it's the guy that drove the car through a NJ Mc's.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Office Fax)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people. "

Eleanor Roosevelt

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Its not the oxygen per se, its more of operating outside of protocol and

zero ems certification. If he does that without authorization, what else

might he be doing? Remember as the transporting agency we are

responsible for everything the first responder does.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on

> oxygen be a bad thing?

>

> Henry wrote:

>

> Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

> volunteer

> Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

>

> pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

> responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department

> can

> continue to do as they please.

>

> No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

> really have no control over the First Responder.

>

>

> Henry

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Its not the oxygen per se, its more of operating outside of protocol and

zero ems certification. If he does that without authorization, what else

might he be doing? Remember as the transporting agency we are

responsible for everything the first responder does.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on

> oxygen be a bad thing?

>

> Henry wrote:

>

> Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

> volunteer

> Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

>

> pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

> responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department

> can

> continue to do as they please.

>

> No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

> really have no control over the First Responder.

>

>

> Henry

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Because the call is in their little area of the county and because they

can. Jo Blow public can do the same thing while listening to a scanner

and no one seems to be able to do anything about it.

Henry

Danny wrote:

> So I would take it that the Fire Fighter is not a trained/Certified

> EMT? Why are the fire fighters responding if they are not contacted

> by someone?

>

> So many questions. So few answers.

>

> ExLngHrn@... wrote:

> Because oxygen is a prescription drug that should be administered by

> a trained and/or certified provider. Similarly, coronary artery bypass

> graft operations are not a bad thing, but they should be done by

> trained licensed professionals. *grin*

>

> -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT-B

> Austin, Texas

>

> Re: Volunteer FF treating patients(Our finding)

>

>

> Perhaps I have missed something. Why would putting a patient on oxygen

> be a bad

> thing?

>

> Henry wrote:

>

> Here is a similiar wrinkle that we have discovered. We have a

> volunteer

> Fire Figher that places patients on Oxygen routinely prior to our

> arrival. After several conversations with the state we have been

> informed that there is nothing that we can do to stop them. Even if we

>

> pull our affiliation with the organization and they loose their first

> responder status, this individual or anyone else in their department

> can

> continue to do as they please.

>

> No teeth in the First Responder Rules. Sponsoring transport agencies

> really have no control over the First Responder.

>

>

> Henry

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Red,

I have been married way to many times to start talking about the gals in

my department which by the way out number us guys 3-1.

Henry

Red wrote:

> Why don't you guys discuss the virtues of men vs women paramedics....

> I know that you all only give lip service to the equal thing.....see I

> know how your minds really work..... I listen to you talk among

> yourselves in ER.... you really don't think they are as good.....

> Anybody? Speak up now....?

>

> lnmolino@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:45:39 PM Central Standard Time,

> redamla@... writes:

>

> I bet you haven't had this long a conversation with your wives...

>

>

> Not since May 15, 2002, in my case but that ain't neither oone of our

> faults

> it's the guy that drove the car through a NJ Mc's.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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