Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

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I went and did some reading, then some googling and more reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....

I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans.... I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if I get the terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....

I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....

When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure.... that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to get me doing the 'that's me' jumping up and down in my chair....

How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......

I want to read up more on it....

In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.

All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches..... pills usually didn't work... relaxation did... avoiding laying down did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.

Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck..... She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was gone.... despite all the things that I tried in the 36 hours preceding that... it was that combination.

I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head..... said that I was fine.... sent me home.

It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a year since I've had one of these...

Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most curious.

Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half... and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that....

Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can feel what I call my 'headache shadow' I can feel where it was, the essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a shadow.... Why this one?

I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?

I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD', about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)

I'd like to run some more with this... if it's boring for the group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are details that make it worth the group looking at again....

Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or autoimmune disorder in your family?

Topper ()

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:05:09 -0000 "jd40email" writes:

Posted about this earlier but I have some questions that I'd like someone to address. Just a little background - our family has recently had to deal with a chiari diagnosis for our kid. When researching the issue I found this book about a guy who was diagnosed with arnold chiari - http://www.lulu.com/content/174364 . The author of the book has chiari and has had severe insomnia. Basically he lived his whole life without symptoms until a few years ago - which can be typical of chiari. His symptoms progressed to the point that he could barely walk at one point. I think he once went something like 8 days with no sleep. He had to go through a lot to get correctly diagnosed but eventually wound up having surgery for the chiari. After that he has been battling to recover and even recently ran a marathon (with no sleep the night before). Reading about all of the medications and combinations that he has tried and the impact of each of them was pretty fascinating. His determination to overcome it all was encouraging.Anyway, reading all of that got me to wondering what other illnesses or disorders that chiari can be related to. After reading about the author's struggles I started researching insomnia which is how I stumbled across this board. From the research that I have done I know that chiari can also be related to several different spinal disorders and other issues such as spina bifida, rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, etc. Then after finding this board I noticed that many of the other symptoms of hypothyroid or hyperthyroid are similar to chiari symptoms. Does anyone know if it is common to have these issues and chiari? Can one cause the other? Forgive me for not knowing more about hypothyroid and hyperthyroid but I only starting reading about it recently. I couldn't even spell chiari a few months ago until my kid was diagnosed with it. ly, I wish I still couldn't spell it.

[Guest guest]

I went and did some reading, then some googling and more reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....

I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans.... I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if I get the terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....

I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....

When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure.... that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to get me doing the 'that's me' jumping up and down in my chair....

How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......

I want to read up more on it....

In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.

All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches..... pills usually didn't work... relaxation did... avoiding laying down did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.

Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck..... She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was gone.... despite all the things that I tried in the 36 hours preceding that... it was that combination.

I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head..... said that I was fine.... sent me home.

It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a year since I've had one of these...

Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most curious.

Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half... and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that....

Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can feel what I call my 'headache shadow' I can feel where it was, the essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a shadow.... Why this one?

I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?

I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD', about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)

I'd like to run some more with this... if it's boring for the group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are details that make it worth the group looking at again....

Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or autoimmune disorder in your family?

Topper ()

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:05:09 -0000 "jd40email" writes:

Posted about this earlier but I have some questions that I'd like someone to address. Just a little background - our family has recently had to deal with a chiari diagnosis for our kid. When researching the issue I found this book about a guy who was diagnosed with arnold chiari - http://www.lulu.com/content/174364 . The author of the book has chiari and has had severe insomnia. Basically he lived his whole life without symptoms until a few years ago - which can be typical of chiari. His symptoms progressed to the point that he could barely walk at one point. I think he once went something like 8 days with no sleep. He had to go through a lot to get correctly diagnosed but eventually wound up having surgery for the chiari. After that he has been battling to recover and even recently ran a marathon (with no sleep the night before). Reading about all of the medications and combinations that he has tried and the impact of each of them was pretty fascinating. His determination to overcome it all was encouraging.Anyway, reading all of that got me to wondering what other illnesses or disorders that chiari can be related to. After reading about the author's struggles I started researching insomnia which is how I stumbled across this board. From the research that I have done I know that chiari can also be related to several different spinal disorders and other issues such as spina bifida, rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, etc. Then after finding this board I noticed that many of the other symptoms of hypothyroid or hyperthyroid are similar to chiari symptoms. Does anyone know if it is common to have these issues and chiari? Can one cause the other? Forgive me for not knowing more about hypothyroid and hyperthyroid but I only starting reading about it recently. I couldn't even spell chiari a few months ago until my kid was diagnosed with it. ly, I wish I still couldn't spell it.

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Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

I went and did some reading, then some googling and more reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....

I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans.... I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if I get the terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....

I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....

When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure.... that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to get me doing the 'that's me' jumping up and down in my chair....

How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......

I want to read up more on it....

In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.

All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches..... pills usually didn't work... relaxation did... avoiding laying down did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.

Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck..... She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was gone.... despite all the things that I tried in the 36 hours preceding that... it was that combination.

I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head..... said that I was fine.... sent me home.

It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a year since I've had one of these...

Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most curious.

Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half... and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that....

Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can feel what I call my 'headache shadow' I can feel where it was, the essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a shadow.... Why this one?

I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?

I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD', about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)

I'd like to run some more with this... if it's boring for the group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are details that make it worth the group looking at again....

Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or autoimmune disorder in your family?

[Guest guest]

Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

I went and did some reading, then some googling and more reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....

I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans.... I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if I get the terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....

I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....

When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure.... that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to get me doing the 'that's me' jumping up and down in my chair....

How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......

I want to read up more on it....

In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.

All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches..... pills usually didn't work... relaxation did... avoiding laying down did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.

Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck..... She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was gone.... despite all the things that I tried in the 36 hours preceding that... it was that combination.

I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head..... said that I was fine.... sent me home.

It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a year since I've had one of these...

Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most curious.

Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half... and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that....

Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can feel what I call my 'headache shadow' I can feel where it was, the essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a shadow.... Why this one?

I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?

I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD', about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)

I'd like to run some more with this... if it's boring for the group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are details that make it worth the group looking at again....

Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or autoimmune disorder in your family?

[Guest guest]

Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

I went and did some reading, then some googling and more reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....

I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans.... I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if I get the terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....

I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....

When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure.... that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to get me doing the 'that's me' jumping up and down in my chair....

How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......

I want to read up more on it....

In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.

All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches..... pills usually didn't work... relaxation did... avoiding laying down did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.

Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck..... She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was gone.... despite all the things that I tried in the 36 hours preceding that... it was that combination.

I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head..... said that I was fine.... sent me home.

It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a year since I've had one of these...

Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most curious.

Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half... and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that....

Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can feel what I call my 'headache shadow' I can feel where it was, the essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a shadow.... Why this one?

I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?

I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD', about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)

I'd like to run some more with this... if it's boring for the group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are details that make it worth the group looking at again....

Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or autoimmune disorder in your family?

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How many of us are suffering with severe headaches....

My definition of severe:

Prevents sleep

Prevents use of eyes for reading or TV etc (I'm not going to specify light sensitivity, that's a symptom of migraine, and although migraine is severe and will be included in this conversation, I don't want to limit this to just those that are diagnosed as migraine)

Not always a direct link to a cause for the headache (not hangover from drinking, lack of sleep, going to a rock concert.. that kind of stuff)

Taking OTC (Tylenol, Advil, Aspirin, etc) pain relievers doesn't decrease the pain significantly but hot or cold packs help.

Impact you strong enough to limit your activities and aggravate your mood

I dealt with severe headaches most of my life.... that's how I got into journaling... my doc had me doing food diaries, and activity diaries and all kinds of junk to find the headache triggers... we never found anything... then he had me wearing glasses. I'm legally blind in one eye (born with ambliopia, developed strabismus - or it's the other way around.. one is a birth defect the other is a mental block/compensation for the defective eye movement and I'm too lazy to look it up right now) Anyway, the doc said that even though my good eye was 20/20 wearing glasses would ease the strain on that one good eye and reduce my headaches.... it never did.. I still got them... just had to deal with wiping the tears off the lense (I could only see out of one, so only wiped that one) when my eyes leaked, crying from the pain as a wee kid.

So... migraines are supposed to cause stars and sparks across the field of vision, loud noises hurt, nausea... all that stuff.... I didn't really have that.... and after the car hit my truck.... it was very distinctly the back of my head and working up the right side, the way that I whacked the back window....

I always brushed it off on that crash busting something in me and just dealt with it....

When I was severe hypo sooooo many triggers... brushed it off to just the run down severe hypo body not being able to deal with what ever was broken in me......

Okay... cool... until this week... what is up with this week?

Running down the list of triggers that are common....

Carbon monoxide detector in the house, it's working, hasn't gone off.

I go outside for a little while each day, to stand on the deck to say HI to the world driving by, so there is some fresh air there.

I'm getting a bit stressed about the folks coming home tomorrow, they've been gone two months and my stress is up when I have to adhere to their schedules for sleeping, etc.... so that is a possible.

I've increased humidity in the rooms that I'm in... my evaporator pans are in place.. my mister bottle comes with me as I go from room to room. I'm eating more soup-like meals for the steaminess and increase in fluid intake... just to rule out dry air and sinus.

Since my laydown this morning.. with my.. oh gosh... I make two nests now.. I have the nest that I make for hypo rib and back pain..... and the nest that I've been making this week for the headaches... anyway.... I'll call this one the 'head nest'.. the other.... 'hypo nest'?? That's sad... they are close to being the same.. but support is different.... both involve elevating the head..... Anyway.... head nest nap this morning.... no headache.... had a headache shadow for several hours after.... and sometime during the late afternoon/early evening as I've been puttering around the house getting stuff prettied up before the folks come home the headache shadow has gone away too....

How come....? I'm not getting this.... See... I've had these headaches last for weeks.... during severe hypo, before going on natural... two weeks minimum for one of these babies.... some as long as a month or five weeks.... I'm talking constant, never give up... PLEEEEAAASSSEEEE blow off my head with a shot gun and let it be over with headaches.... and this one was gone in just minutes.....

Why?

And why two of them this week when I've not had one of these buggers in well over a year... I'd have to look up in my notes when I had the last one....

I want to know... drat it (see? nice words).... I conquered the bleeding ulcer that I was diagnosed with in my early '80. I conquered the plantar Faciitis that I was diagnosed with in '97. I conquered the GERD and the chronic pain in ribs, back and hips. I even conquered the body cramps that plagued me for years after the RAI (whole body cramps that would hit if I stretched upon waking, or during the day, but mostly on waking. Lasting up to two hours, laying there, daring not to move or the muscles would lock again).... I want this headache figured out an gone.....

All the other stuff was, literally, getting on natural hormone and adrenal support... I wasn't even on any kind of a large dose when symptoms started disappearing.... I've increased significantly since then..... But I'm not over dosed. My labs from last Feb still showed my Free Ts too low....

Okay... running through all of this there has been a change in the last two months.... I've weaned off the adrenal support....

My sleep pattern is good.... My waking temp is good, checked this morning.... pulse rate is good... breathing is good.... bowels are good... regular in all ways that they should be.... Periods are on time.... I'm due again in a few days.... still NO symptoms of upcoming menses since stopping use of commercial female products....

In October I finally got my plugged up left ear to unplug.... it's been unplugged since late October... so I have stereo hearing again....

I'll stop with that... see if anyone picks up on something that I've missed....

I'm not starting any adrenal again yet... I want to see what happens with my sleep patterns when the folks are back and being noisy till midnight and then starting up again before 5 am..... I've been trying hard to keep to a regular sleep schedule to see if I can sleep through the racket.... If I end up back on short sleep... I may take a quarter tab of adrenal to get me started in the morning.... I'll just have to see how it goes.....

More fun stuff to analyze.... headaches and the hypo/hyper person....

Topper ()

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:08:15 -0800 "R-Jane" writes:

Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

[Guest guest]

How many of us are suffering with severe headaches....

My definition of severe:

Prevents sleep

Prevents use of eyes for reading or TV etc (I'm not going to specify light sensitivity, that's a symptom of migraine, and although migraine is severe and will be included in this conversation, I don't want to limit this to just those that are diagnosed as migraine)

Not always a direct link to a cause for the headache (not hangover from drinking, lack of sleep, going to a rock concert.. that kind of stuff)

Taking OTC (Tylenol, Advil, Aspirin, etc) pain relievers doesn't decrease the pain significantly but hot or cold packs help.

Impact you strong enough to limit your activities and aggravate your mood

I dealt with severe headaches most of my life.... that's how I got into journaling... my doc had me doing food diaries, and activity diaries and all kinds of junk to find the headache triggers... we never found anything... then he had me wearing glasses. I'm legally blind in one eye (born with ambliopia, developed strabismus - or it's the other way around.. one is a birth defect the other is a mental block/compensation for the defective eye movement and I'm too lazy to look it up right now) Anyway, the doc said that even though my good eye was 20/20 wearing glasses would ease the strain on that one good eye and reduce my headaches.... it never did.. I still got them... just had to deal with wiping the tears off the lense (I could only see out of one, so only wiped that one) when my eyes leaked, crying from the pain as a wee kid.

So... migraines are supposed to cause stars and sparks across the field of vision, loud noises hurt, nausea... all that stuff.... I didn't really have that.... and after the car hit my truck.... it was very distinctly the back of my head and working up the right side, the way that I whacked the back window....

I always brushed it off on that crash busting something in me and just dealt with it....

When I was severe hypo sooooo many triggers... brushed it off to just the run down severe hypo body not being able to deal with what ever was broken in me......

Okay... cool... until this week... what is up with this week?

Running down the list of triggers that are common....

Carbon monoxide detector in the house, it's working, hasn't gone off.

I go outside for a little while each day, to stand on the deck to say HI to the world driving by, so there is some fresh air there.

I'm getting a bit stressed about the folks coming home tomorrow, they've been gone two months and my stress is up when I have to adhere to their schedules for sleeping, etc.... so that is a possible.

I've increased humidity in the rooms that I'm in... my evaporator pans are in place.. my mister bottle comes with me as I go from room to room. I'm eating more soup-like meals for the steaminess and increase in fluid intake... just to rule out dry air and sinus.

Since my laydown this morning.. with my.. oh gosh... I make two nests now.. I have the nest that I make for hypo rib and back pain..... and the nest that I've been making this week for the headaches... anyway.... I'll call this one the 'head nest'.. the other.... 'hypo nest'?? That's sad... they are close to being the same.. but support is different.... both involve elevating the head..... Anyway.... head nest nap this morning.... no headache.... had a headache shadow for several hours after.... and sometime during the late afternoon/early evening as I've been puttering around the house getting stuff prettied up before the folks come home the headache shadow has gone away too....

How come....? I'm not getting this.... See... I've had these headaches last for weeks.... during severe hypo, before going on natural... two weeks minimum for one of these babies.... some as long as a month or five weeks.... I'm talking constant, never give up... PLEEEEAAASSSEEEE blow off my head with a shot gun and let it be over with headaches.... and this one was gone in just minutes.....

Why?

And why two of them this week when I've not had one of these buggers in well over a year... I'd have to look up in my notes when I had the last one....

I want to know... drat it (see? nice words).... I conquered the bleeding ulcer that I was diagnosed with in my early '80. I conquered the plantar Faciitis that I was diagnosed with in '97. I conquered the GERD and the chronic pain in ribs, back and hips. I even conquered the body cramps that plagued me for years after the RAI (whole body cramps that would hit if I stretched upon waking, or during the day, but mostly on waking. Lasting up to two hours, laying there, daring not to move or the muscles would lock again).... I want this headache figured out an gone.....

All the other stuff was, literally, getting on natural hormone and adrenal support... I wasn't even on any kind of a large dose when symptoms started disappearing.... I've increased significantly since then..... But I'm not over dosed. My labs from last Feb still showed my Free Ts too low....

Okay... running through all of this there has been a change in the last two months.... I've weaned off the adrenal support....

My sleep pattern is good.... My waking temp is good, checked this morning.... pulse rate is good... breathing is good.... bowels are good... regular in all ways that they should be.... Periods are on time.... I'm due again in a few days.... still NO symptoms of upcoming menses since stopping use of commercial female products....

In October I finally got my plugged up left ear to unplug.... it's been unplugged since late October... so I have stereo hearing again....

I'll stop with that... see if anyone picks up on something that I've missed....

I'm not starting any adrenal again yet... I want to see what happens with my sleep patterns when the folks are back and being noisy till midnight and then starting up again before 5 am..... I've been trying hard to keep to a regular sleep schedule to see if I can sleep through the racket.... If I end up back on short sleep... I may take a quarter tab of adrenal to get me started in the morning.... I'll just have to see how it goes.....

More fun stuff to analyze.... headaches and the hypo/hyper person....

Topper ()

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:08:15 -0800 "R-Jane" writes:

Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

[Guest guest]

How many of us are suffering with severe headaches....

My definition of severe:

Prevents sleep

Prevents use of eyes for reading or TV etc (I'm not going to specify light sensitivity, that's a symptom of migraine, and although migraine is severe and will be included in this conversation, I don't want to limit this to just those that are diagnosed as migraine)

Not always a direct link to a cause for the headache (not hangover from drinking, lack of sleep, going to a rock concert.. that kind of stuff)

Taking OTC (Tylenol, Advil, Aspirin, etc) pain relievers doesn't decrease the pain significantly but hot or cold packs help.

Impact you strong enough to limit your activities and aggravate your mood

I dealt with severe headaches most of my life.... that's how I got into journaling... my doc had me doing food diaries, and activity diaries and all kinds of junk to find the headache triggers... we never found anything... then he had me wearing glasses. I'm legally blind in one eye (born with ambliopia, developed strabismus - or it's the other way around.. one is a birth defect the other is a mental block/compensation for the defective eye movement and I'm too lazy to look it up right now) Anyway, the doc said that even though my good eye was 20/20 wearing glasses would ease the strain on that one good eye and reduce my headaches.... it never did.. I still got them... just had to deal with wiping the tears off the lense (I could only see out of one, so only wiped that one) when my eyes leaked, crying from the pain as a wee kid.

So... migraines are supposed to cause stars and sparks across the field of vision, loud noises hurt, nausea... all that stuff.... I didn't really have that.... and after the car hit my truck.... it was very distinctly the back of my head and working up the right side, the way that I whacked the back window....

I always brushed it off on that crash busting something in me and just dealt with it....

When I was severe hypo sooooo many triggers... brushed it off to just the run down severe hypo body not being able to deal with what ever was broken in me......

Okay... cool... until this week... what is up with this week?

Running down the list of triggers that are common....

Carbon monoxide detector in the house, it's working, hasn't gone off.

I go outside for a little while each day, to stand on the deck to say HI to the world driving by, so there is some fresh air there.

I'm getting a bit stressed about the folks coming home tomorrow, they've been gone two months and my stress is up when I have to adhere to their schedules for sleeping, etc.... so that is a possible.

I've increased humidity in the rooms that I'm in... my evaporator pans are in place.. my mister bottle comes with me as I go from room to room. I'm eating more soup-like meals for the steaminess and increase in fluid intake... just to rule out dry air and sinus.

Since my laydown this morning.. with my.. oh gosh... I make two nests now.. I have the nest that I make for hypo rib and back pain..... and the nest that I've been making this week for the headaches... anyway.... I'll call this one the 'head nest'.. the other.... 'hypo nest'?? That's sad... they are close to being the same.. but support is different.... both involve elevating the head..... Anyway.... head nest nap this morning.... no headache.... had a headache shadow for several hours after.... and sometime during the late afternoon/early evening as I've been puttering around the house getting stuff prettied up before the folks come home the headache shadow has gone away too....

How come....? I'm not getting this.... See... I've had these headaches last for weeks.... during severe hypo, before going on natural... two weeks minimum for one of these babies.... some as long as a month or five weeks.... I'm talking constant, never give up... PLEEEEAAASSSEEEE blow off my head with a shot gun and let it be over with headaches.... and this one was gone in just minutes.....

Why?

And why two of them this week when I've not had one of these buggers in well over a year... I'd have to look up in my notes when I had the last one....

I want to know... drat it (see? nice words).... I conquered the bleeding ulcer that I was diagnosed with in my early '80. I conquered the plantar Faciitis that I was diagnosed with in '97. I conquered the GERD and the chronic pain in ribs, back and hips. I even conquered the body cramps that plagued me for years after the RAI (whole body cramps that would hit if I stretched upon waking, or during the day, but mostly on waking. Lasting up to two hours, laying there, daring not to move or the muscles would lock again).... I want this headache figured out an gone.....

All the other stuff was, literally, getting on natural hormone and adrenal support... I wasn't even on any kind of a large dose when symptoms started disappearing.... I've increased significantly since then..... But I'm not over dosed. My labs from last Feb still showed my Free Ts too low....

Okay... running through all of this there has been a change in the last two months.... I've weaned off the adrenal support....

My sleep pattern is good.... My waking temp is good, checked this morning.... pulse rate is good... breathing is good.... bowels are good... regular in all ways that they should be.... Periods are on time.... I'm due again in a few days.... still NO symptoms of upcoming menses since stopping use of commercial female products....

In October I finally got my plugged up left ear to unplug.... it's been unplugged since late October... so I have stereo hearing again....

I'll stop with that... see if anyone picks up on something that I've missed....

I'm not starting any adrenal again yet... I want to see what happens with my sleep patterns when the folks are back and being noisy till midnight and then starting up again before 5 am..... I've been trying hard to keep to a regular sleep schedule to see if I can sleep through the racket.... If I end up back on short sleep... I may take a quarter tab of adrenal to get me started in the morning.... I'll just have to see how it goes.....

More fun stuff to analyze.... headaches and the hypo/hyper person....

Topper ()

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:08:15 -0800 "R-Jane" writes:

Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

[Guest guest]

Ok, Topper, are you saying in this that you have stopped the progesterone altogether? If you have, and not tapered it off, this could be the culprit. You and I both need testing for thyroid hormones again, with all the other tests that go with that package. I still haven't tested in over 10 months or so, maybe longer. I was doing so well with the testing for a couple of yrs, but I've backburnered it for so many other things lately.

Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

How many of us are suffering with severe headaches....

My definition of severe:

Prevents sleep

Prevents use of eyes for reading or TV etc (I'm not going to specify light sensitivity, that's a symptom of migraine, and although migraine is severe and will be included in this conversation, I don't want to limit this to just those that are diagnosed as migraine)

Not always a direct link to a cause for the headache (not hangover from drinking, lack of sleep, going to a rock concert.. that kind of stuff)

Taking OTC (Tylenol, Advil, Aspirin, etc) pain relievers doesn't decrease the pain significantly but hot or cold packs help.

Impact you strong enough to limit your activities and aggravate your mood

I dealt with severe headaches most of my life.... that's how I got into journaling... my doc had me doing food diaries, and activity diaries and all kinds of junk to find the headache triggers... we never found anything... then he had me wearing glasses. I'm legally blind in one eye (born with ambliopia, developed strabismus - or it's the other way around.. one is a birth defect the other is a mental block/compensation for the defective eye movement and I'm too lazy to look it up right now) Anyway, the doc said that even though my good eye was 20/20 wearing glasses would ease the strain on that one good eye and reduce my headaches.... it never did.. I still got them... just had to deal with wiping the tears off the lense (I could only see out of one, so only wiped that one) when my eyes leaked, crying from the pain as a wee kid.

So... migraines are supposed to cause stars and sparks across the field of vision, loud noises hurt, nausea... all that stuff.... I didn't really have that.... and after the car hit my truck.... it was very distinctly the back of my head and working up the right side, the way that I whacked the back window....

I always brushed it off on that crash busting something in me and just dealt with it....

When I was severe hypo sooooo many triggers... brushed it off to just the run down severe hypo body not being able to deal with what ever was broken in me......

Okay... cool... until this week... what is up with this week?

Running down the list of triggers that are common....

Carbon monoxide detector in the house, it's working, hasn't gone off.

I go outside for a little while each day, to stand on the deck to say HI to the world driving by, so there is some fresh air there.

I'm getting a bit stressed about the folks coming home tomorrow, they've been gone two months and my stress is up when I have to adhere to their schedules for sleeping, etc.... so that is a possible.

I've increased humidity in the rooms that I'm in... my evaporator pans are in place.. my mister bottle comes with me as I go from room to room. I'm eating more soup-like meals for the steaminess and increase in fluid intake... just to rule out dry air and sinus.

Since my laydown this morning.. with my.. oh gosh... I make two nests now.. I have the nest that I make for hypo rib and back pain..... and the nest that I've been making this week for the headaches... anyway.... I'll call this one the 'head nest'.. the other.... 'hypo nest'?? That's sad... they are close to being the same.. but support is different.... both involve elevating the head..... Anyway.... head nest nap this morning.... no headache.... had a headache shadow for several hours after.... and sometime during the late afternoon/early evening as I've been puttering around the house getting stuff prettied up before the folks come home the headache shadow has gone away too....

How come....? I'm not getting this.... See... I've had these headaches last for weeks.... during severe hypo, before going on natural... two weeks minimum for one of these babies.... some as long as a month or five weeks.... I'm talking constant, never give up... PLEEEEAAASSSEEEE blow off my head with a shot gun and let it be over with headaches.... and this one was gone in just minutes.....

Why?

And why two of them this week when I've not had one of these buggers in well over a year... I'd have to look up in my notes when I had the last one....

I want to know... drat it (see? nice words).... I conquered the bleeding ulcer that I was diagnosed with in my early '80. I conquered the plantar Faciitis that I was diagnosed with in '97. I conquered the GERD and the chronic pain in ribs, back and hips. I even conquered the body cramps that plagued me for years after the RAI (whole body cramps that would hit if I stretched upon waking, or during the day, but mostly on waking. Lasting up to two hours, laying there, daring not to move or the muscles would lock again).... I want this headache figured out an gone.....

All the other stuff was, literally, getting on natural hormone and adrenal support... I wasn't even on any kind of a large dose when symptoms started disappearing.... I've increased significantly since then..... But I'm not over dosed. My labs from last Feb still showed my Free Ts too low....

Okay... running through all of this there has been a change in the last two months.... I've weaned off the adrenal support....

My sleep pattern is good.... My waking temp is good, checked this morning.... pulse rate is good... breathing is good.... bowels are good... regular in all ways that they should be.... Periods are on time.... I'm due again in a few days.... still NO symptoms of upcoming menses since stopping use of commercial female products....

In October I finally got my plugged up left ear to unplug.... it's been unplugged since late October... so I have stereo hearing again....

I'll stop with that... see if anyone picks up on something that I've missed....

I'm not starting any adrenal again yet... I want to see what happens with my sleep patterns when the folks are back and being noisy till midnight and then starting up again before 5 am..... I've been trying hard to keep to a regular sleep schedule to see if I can sleep through the racket.... If I end up back on short sleep... I may take a quarter tab of adrenal to get me started in the morning.... I'll just have to see how it goes.....

More fun stuff to analyze.... headaches and the hypo/hyper person....

Topper ()

[Guest guest]

Ok, Topper, are you saying in this that you have stopped the progesterone altogether? If you have, and not tapered it off, this could be the culprit. You and I both need testing for thyroid hormones again, with all the other tests that go with that package. I still haven't tested in over 10 months or so, maybe longer. I was doing so well with the testing for a couple of yrs, but I've backburnered it for so many other things lately.

Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

How many of us are suffering with severe headaches....

My definition of severe:

Prevents sleep

Prevents use of eyes for reading or TV etc (I'm not going to specify light sensitivity, that's a symptom of migraine, and although migraine is severe and will be included in this conversation, I don't want to limit this to just those that are diagnosed as migraine)

Not always a direct link to a cause for the headache (not hangover from drinking, lack of sleep, going to a rock concert.. that kind of stuff)

Taking OTC (Tylenol, Advil, Aspirin, etc) pain relievers doesn't decrease the pain significantly but hot or cold packs help.

Impact you strong enough to limit your activities and aggravate your mood

I dealt with severe headaches most of my life.... that's how I got into journaling... my doc had me doing food diaries, and activity diaries and all kinds of junk to find the headache triggers... we never found anything... then he had me wearing glasses. I'm legally blind in one eye (born with ambliopia, developed strabismus - or it's the other way around.. one is a birth defect the other is a mental block/compensation for the defective eye movement and I'm too lazy to look it up right now) Anyway, the doc said that even though my good eye was 20/20 wearing glasses would ease the strain on that one good eye and reduce my headaches.... it never did.. I still got them... just had to deal with wiping the tears off the lense (I could only see out of one, so only wiped that one) when my eyes leaked, crying from the pain as a wee kid.

So... migraines are supposed to cause stars and sparks across the field of vision, loud noises hurt, nausea... all that stuff.... I didn't really have that.... and after the car hit my truck.... it was very distinctly the back of my head and working up the right side, the way that I whacked the back window....

I always brushed it off on that crash busting something in me and just dealt with it....

When I was severe hypo sooooo many triggers... brushed it off to just the run down severe hypo body not being able to deal with what ever was broken in me......

Okay... cool... until this week... what is up with this week?

Running down the list of triggers that are common....

Carbon monoxide detector in the house, it's working, hasn't gone off.

I go outside for a little while each day, to stand on the deck to say HI to the world driving by, so there is some fresh air there.

I'm getting a bit stressed about the folks coming home tomorrow, they've been gone two months and my stress is up when I have to adhere to their schedules for sleeping, etc.... so that is a possible.

I've increased humidity in the rooms that I'm in... my evaporator pans are in place.. my mister bottle comes with me as I go from room to room. I'm eating more soup-like meals for the steaminess and increase in fluid intake... just to rule out dry air and sinus.

Since my laydown this morning.. with my.. oh gosh... I make two nests now.. I have the nest that I make for hypo rib and back pain..... and the nest that I've been making this week for the headaches... anyway.... I'll call this one the 'head nest'.. the other.... 'hypo nest'?? That's sad... they are close to being the same.. but support is different.... both involve elevating the head..... Anyway.... head nest nap this morning.... no headache.... had a headache shadow for several hours after.... and sometime during the late afternoon/early evening as I've been puttering around the house getting stuff prettied up before the folks come home the headache shadow has gone away too....

How come....? I'm not getting this.... See... I've had these headaches last for weeks.... during severe hypo, before going on natural... two weeks minimum for one of these babies.... some as long as a month or five weeks.... I'm talking constant, never give up... PLEEEEAAASSSEEEE blow off my head with a shot gun and let it be over with headaches.... and this one was gone in just minutes.....

Why?

And why two of them this week when I've not had one of these buggers in well over a year... I'd have to look up in my notes when I had the last one....

I want to know... drat it (see? nice words).... I conquered the bleeding ulcer that I was diagnosed with in my early '80. I conquered the plantar Faciitis that I was diagnosed with in '97. I conquered the GERD and the chronic pain in ribs, back and hips. I even conquered the body cramps that plagued me for years after the RAI (whole body cramps that would hit if I stretched upon waking, or during the day, but mostly on waking. Lasting up to two hours, laying there, daring not to move or the muscles would lock again).... I want this headache figured out an gone.....

All the other stuff was, literally, getting on natural hormone and adrenal support... I wasn't even on any kind of a large dose when symptoms started disappearing.... I've increased significantly since then..... But I'm not over dosed. My labs from last Feb still showed my Free Ts too low....

Okay... running through all of this there has been a change in the last two months.... I've weaned off the adrenal support....

My sleep pattern is good.... My waking temp is good, checked this morning.... pulse rate is good... breathing is good.... bowels are good... regular in all ways that they should be.... Periods are on time.... I'm due again in a few days.... still NO symptoms of upcoming menses since stopping use of commercial female products....

In October I finally got my plugged up left ear to unplug.... it's been unplugged since late October... so I have stereo hearing again....

I'll stop with that... see if anyone picks up on something that I've missed....

I'm not starting any adrenal again yet... I want to see what happens with my sleep patterns when the folks are back and being noisy till midnight and then starting up again before 5 am..... I've been trying hard to keep to a regular sleep schedule to see if I can sleep through the racket.... If I end up back on short sleep... I may take a quarter tab of adrenal to get me started in the morning.... I'll just have to see how it goes.....

More fun stuff to analyze.... headaches and the hypo/hyper person....

Topper ()

[Guest guest]

Not sure where you got that I went cold turkey on progesterone....

I tapered off adrenal glandular... working down to 1/4 tab of glandular and then stopping....

By 'commercial female products' I meant tampons and pads... When I read about all the chemicals that are put in them and absorbed through the skin.... and then products that the same companies then sell to deal with the symptoms of those chemical toxins.... That stuff I stopped cold turkey... about three years ago... since then I have absolutely zero pain, discomfort.. heck I dont' have any clue when my period is coming... it just starts, runs it's course and stops. No headaches, back pain, cramps, moodiness, breast pain, bloating.... nothing.... it's just my body cleaning itself, like it's supposed to, and that's all it is....

Now... testing... ??I'm accepting donations?? hehehehe

Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!"

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:52:20 -0600 " " writes:

Ok, Topper, are you saying in this that you have stopped the progesterone altogether? If you have, and not tapered it off, this could be the culprit. You and I both need testing for thyroid hormones again, with all the other tests that go with that package. I still haven't tested in over 10 months or so, maybe longer. I was doing so well with the testing for a couple of yrs, but I've backburnered it for so many other things lately.

[Guest guest]

Not sure where you got that I went cold turkey on progesterone....

I tapered off adrenal glandular... working down to 1/4 tab of glandular and then stopping....

By 'commercial female products' I meant tampons and pads... When I read about all the chemicals that are put in them and absorbed through the skin.... and then products that the same companies then sell to deal with the symptoms of those chemical toxins.... That stuff I stopped cold turkey... about three years ago... since then I have absolutely zero pain, discomfort.. heck I dont' have any clue when my period is coming... it just starts, runs it's course and stops. No headaches, back pain, cramps, moodiness, breast pain, bloating.... nothing.... it's just my body cleaning itself, like it's supposed to, and that's all it is....

Now... testing... ??I'm accepting donations?? hehehehe

Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!"

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:52:20 -0600 " " writes:

Ok, Topper, are you saying in this that you have stopped the progesterone altogether? If you have, and not tapered it off, this could be the culprit. You and I both need testing for thyroid hormones again, with all the other tests that go with that package. I still haven't tested in over 10 months or so, maybe longer. I was doing so well with the testing for a couple of yrs, but I've backburnered it for so many other things lately.

[Guest guest]

Not sure where you got that I went cold turkey on progesterone....

I tapered off adrenal glandular... working down to 1/4 tab of glandular and then stopping....

By 'commercial female products' I meant tampons and pads... When I read about all the chemicals that are put in them and absorbed through the skin.... and then products that the same companies then sell to deal with the symptoms of those chemical toxins.... That stuff I stopped cold turkey... about three years ago... since then I have absolutely zero pain, discomfort.. heck I dont' have any clue when my period is coming... it just starts, runs it's course and stops. No headaches, back pain, cramps, moodiness, breast pain, bloating.... nothing.... it's just my body cleaning itself, like it's supposed to, and that's all it is....

Now... testing... ??I'm accepting donations?? hehehehe

Topper ()"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body. But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO what a ride!"

On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:52:20 -0600 " " writes:

Ok, Topper, are you saying in this that you have stopped the progesterone altogether? If you have, and not tapered it off, this could be the culprit. You and I both need testing for thyroid hormones again, with all the other tests that go with that package. I still haven't tested in over 10 months or so, maybe longer. I was doing so well with the testing for a couple of yrs, but I've backburnered it for so many other things lately.

[Guest guest]

Yes, please keep it on list. I have migraines, same as Jane, it seems. Mine started just before my first period when I was 11, and haven't stopped bi-monthly since then, until a doc finally diagnosed me and we did a trial of birth control pills such that I only have a few periods a year (I actually have more than the 4 I'm supposed to because my body refuses to go that long in between periods even on the pills) but it seems that if I wait until that point when my body says it needs one, I don't have the migraines as badly or as predictably, sometimes I'll have them, and sometimes not. The last one I had in December after being on meds for thyroid and adrenal, I didn't have a migraine that time, so that makes me wonder if there's a connection or if it was coincidence. I do still get them for hurricanes, stress, and earthquakes, though, and also it seems that I get them in relation to my hormones changing with thyroid and adrenal, cos when I change any doses, I have been getting them. I take Amerge (

naratriptan hydrochloride) but can't take Imitrex or Zomig, they both make the headaches worse. Amerge is my savior, it works reliably, the same, every time, and if I take motrin along with it, the headache has subsided in about 30-60 minutes, is gone and I'm alseep by the end of 2 hours, and the shadow from where I can feel the headache was on the right side of my head from myneck up to my eye is gone by the time I wake up. I don't even care that it knocks me out. Imitrex worked on half of them, but made them worse the other half of the time, but it didn't knock me out. I decided that after trying both Zomig and Imitrex and both resulting in worsening the headache at times, that I'd stop risking finding one that doesn't knock me out and stick with the one that works.

Headaches are a nuisance to deal with.

Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop. -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA

[Guest guest]

Yes, please keep it on list. I have migraines, same as Jane, it seems. Mine started just before my first period when I was 11, and haven't stopped bi-monthly since then, until a doc finally diagnosed me and we did a trial of birth control pills such that I only have a few periods a year (I actually have more than the 4 I'm supposed to because my body refuses to go that long in between periods even on the pills) but it seems that if I wait until that point when my body says it needs one, I don't have the migraines as badly or as predictably, sometimes I'll have them, and sometimes not. The last one I had in December after being on meds for thyroid and adrenal, I didn't have a migraine that time, so that makes me wonder if there's a connection or if it was coincidence. I do still get them for hurricanes, stress, and earthquakes, though, and also it seems that I get them in relation to my hormones changing with thyroid and adrenal, cos when I change any doses, I have been getting them. I take Amerge (

naratriptan hydrochloride) but can't take Imitrex or Zomig, they both make the headaches worse. Amerge is my savior, it works reliably, the same, every time, and if I take motrin along with it, the headache has subsided in about 30-60 minutes, is gone and I'm alseep by the end of 2 hours, and the shadow from where I can feel the headache was on the right side of my head from myneck up to my eye is gone by the time I wake up. I don't even care that it knocks me out. Imitrex worked on half of them, but made them worse the other half of the time, but it didn't knock me out. I decided that after trying both Zomig and Imitrex and both resulting in worsening the headache at times, that I'd stop risking finding one that doesn't knock me out and stick with the one that works.

Headaches are a nuisance to deal with.

Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop. -- (stewlis)ville, NC, USA

[Guest guest]

Curious about something.... have you ever tried wearing an eye patch over your bad eye? The reason I ask is if you have any sight in the bad eye, it could be trying very hard to work and as a result it is giving you headaches. I have no references for this...just think its worth a try.

laura c.

Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

How many of us are suffering with severe headaches....

My definition of severe:

Prevents sleep

Prevents use of eyes for reading or TV etc (I'm not going to specify light sensitivity, that's a symptom of migraine, and although migraine is severe and will be included in this conversation, I don't want to limit this to just those that are diagnosed as migraine)

Not always a direct link to a cause for the headache (not hangover from drinking, lack of sleep, going to a rock concert.. that kind of stuff)

Taking OTC (Tylenol, Advil, Aspirin, etc) pain relievers doesn't decrease the pain significantly but hot or cold packs help.

Impact you strong enough to limit your activities and aggravate your mood

I dealt with severe headaches most of my life.... that's how I got into journaling... my doc had me doing food diaries, and activity diaries and all kinds of junk to find the headache triggers... we never found anything... then he had me wearing glasses. I'm legally blind in one eye (born with ambliopia, developed strabismus - or it's the other way around.. one is a birth defect the other is a mental block/compensation for the defective eye movement and I'm too lazy to look it up right now) Anyway, the doc said that even though my good eye was 20/20 wearing glasses would ease the strain on that one good eye and reduce my headaches.... it never did.. I still got them... just had to deal with wiping the tears off the lense (I could only see out of one, so only wiped that one) when my eyes leaked, crying from the pain as a wee kid.

So... migraines are supposed to cause stars and sparks across the field of vision, loud noises hurt, nausea... all that stuff.... I didn't really have that.... and after the car hit my truck.... it was very distinctly the back of my head and working up the right side, the way that I whacked the back window....

I always brushed it off on that crash busting something in me and just dealt with it....

When I was severe hypo sooooo many triggers... brushed it off to just the run down severe hypo body not being able to deal with what ever was broken in me......

Okay... cool... until this week... what is up with this week?

Running down the list of triggers that are common....

Carbon monoxide detector in the house, it's working, hasn't gone off.

I go outside for a little while each day, to stand on the deck to say HI to the world driving by, so there is some fresh air there.

I'm getting a bit stressed about the folks coming home tomorrow, they've been gone two months and my stress is up when I have to adhere to their schedules for sleeping, etc.... so that is a possible.

I've increased humidity in the rooms that I'm in... my evaporator pans are in place.. my mister bottle comes with me as I go from room to room. I'm eating more soup-like meals for the steaminess and increase in fluid intake... just to rule out dry air and sinus.

Since my laydown this morning.. with my.. oh gosh... I make two nests now.. I have the nest that I make for hypo rib and back pain..... and the nest that I've been making this week for the headaches... anyway.... I'll call this one the 'head nest'.. the other.... 'hypo nest'?? That's sad... they are close to being the same.. but support is different.... both involve elevating the head..... Anyway.... head nest nap this morning.... no headache.... had a headache shadow for several hours after.... and sometime during the late afternoon/early evening as I've been puttering around the house getting stuff prettied up before the folks come home the headache shadow has gone away too....

How come....? I'm not getting this.... See... I've had these headaches last for weeks.... during severe hypo, before going on natural... two weeks minimum for one of these babies.... some as long as a month or five weeks.... I'm talking constant, never give up... PLEEEEAAASSSEEEE blow off my head with a shot gun and let it be over with headaches.... and this one was gone in just minutes.....

Why?

And why two of them this week when I've not had one of these buggers in well over a year... I'd have to look up in my notes when I had the last one....

I want to know... drat it (see? nice words).... I conquered the bleeding ulcer that I was diagnosed with in my early '80. I conquered the plantar Faciitis that I was diagnosed with in '97. I conquered the GERD and the chronic pain in ribs, back and hips. I even conquered the body cramps that plagued me for years after the RAI (whole body cramps that would hit if I stretched upon waking, or during the day, but mostly on waking. Lasting up to two hours, laying there, daring not to move or the muscles would lock again).... I want this headache figured out an gone.....

All the other stuff was, literally, getting on natural hormone and adrenal support... I wasn't even on any kind of a large dose when symptoms started disappearing.... I've increased significantly since then..... But I'm not over dosed. My labs from last Feb still showed my Free Ts too low....

Okay... running through all of this there has been a change in the last two months.... I've weaned off the adrenal support....

My sleep pattern is good.... My waking temp is good, checked this morning.... pulse rate is good... breathing is good.... bowels are good... regular in all ways that they should be.... Periods are on time.... I'm due again in a few days.... still NO symptoms of upcoming menses since stopping use of commercial female products....

In October I finally got my plugged up left ear to unplug.... it's been unplugged since late October... so I have stereo hearing again....

I'll stop with that... see if anyone picks up on something that I've missed....

I'm not starting any adrenal again yet... I want to see what happens with my sleep patterns when the folks are back and being noisy till midnight and then starting up again before 5 am..... I've been trying hard to keep to a regular sleep schedule to see if I can sleep through the racket.... If I end up back on short sleep... I may take a quarter tab of adrenal to get me started in the morning.... I'll just have to see how it goes.....

More fun stuff to analyze.... headaches and the hypo/hyper person....

Topper ()

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:08:15 -0800 "R-Jane" writes:

Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out !

A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho.

Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

[Guest guest]

i also get hormonal migraines- i get one or two between having my

period and the time right before or after. i could get one a couple

of days before and another a couple of days after. sometimes they

last 4 days. i sometimes get one when i ovulate too. i have a

chiropractor and i find that if i see him the duration of the

headache is typically cut down. when they started i could take a

naproxen or some tylenol with a cup of coffee, now i'm up to

percoset with imitrex or one of those drugs. i havent yet read all

the posts regarding this, so i may be repeating what someone has

already said, but some docs will prescribe birth control pills to

help with these migraines, which is a huge mistake. the bcp can

actually worsen the headaches. in fact the neuro i see for mine

advised me to never touch bcp. there is a product, the name of which

escapes me at the monent, but it is a stick, like a big chapstick.

you rub it on your forehead and it feels and smells like vicks vapor

rub. it sounds cheesy, but it actually works most of the time.

doesnt kill the headache, but brings some relief.

>

> Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too,

mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them

estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do

those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things

they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I

would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I

find out !

>

> A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my

teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube,

would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad

(not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress

of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to

college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm

popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying

in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and

me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour

later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was

concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned,

and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so,

family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a

triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches

as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen

withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped

the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine.

I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a

prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert

doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the

pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines

undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of

new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to

prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back

to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being

referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do

without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to

those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this

point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get

it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one

coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I

know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head

throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now

that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to

the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find,

once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop

in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part,

I don't think it's all to it tho.

>

> Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

>

>

> Re: Questions about

insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

>

>

> I went and did some reading, then some googling and more

reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....

>

> I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans....

I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if I get the

terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the

tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when

they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of

the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus

and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect

to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....

>

> I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had

countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one

web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up

on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in

our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....

>

> When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure....

that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to

get me doing the 'that's me' jumping up and down in my chair....

>

> How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to

lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger

it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better

word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......

>

> I want to read up more on it....

>

> In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and

hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the

body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen

to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk

for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as

twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.

>

> All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches.....

pills usually didn't work... relaxation did... avoiding laying down

did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that

made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.

>

> Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with

me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I

tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before

bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper

body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck.....

She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until

after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and

as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth

and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on

the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my

face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was

gone.... despite all the things that I tried in the 36 hours

preceding that... it was that combination.

>

> I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third

grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never

helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told

me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in

a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup

barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back

window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and

sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several

hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head.....

said that I was fine.... sent me home.

>

> It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often

blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been

from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they

went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a

year since I've had one of these...

>

> Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this

morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash

it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted

my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's

when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had

caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most

curious.

>

> Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half...

and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for

a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for

about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that....

>

> Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can

feel what I call my 'headache shadow' I can feel where it was, the

essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but

it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of

sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from

eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a

shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a

shadow.... Why this one?

>

> I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever

cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this

severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?

>

> I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love

to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD',

about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to

someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)

>

> I'd like to run some more with this... if it's boring for the

group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are

details that make it worth the group looking at again....

>

> Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels

checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or

autoimmune disorder in your family?

>

[Guest guest]

i also get hormonal migraines- i get one or two between having my

period and the time right before or after. i could get one a couple

of days before and another a couple of days after. sometimes they

last 4 days. i sometimes get one when i ovulate too. i have a

chiropractor and i find that if i see him the duration of the

headache is typically cut down. when they started i could take a

naproxen or some tylenol with a cup of coffee, now i'm up to

percoset with imitrex or one of those drugs. i havent yet read all

the posts regarding this, so i may be repeating what someone has

already said, but some docs will prescribe birth control pills to

help with these migraines, which is a huge mistake. the bcp can

actually worsen the headaches. in fact the neuro i see for mine

advised me to never touch bcp. there is a product, the name of which

escapes me at the monent, but it is a stick, like a big chapstick.

you rub it on your forehead and it feels and smells like vicks vapor

rub. it sounds cheesy, but it actually works most of the time.

doesnt kill the headache, but brings some relief.

>

> Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too,

mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them

estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do

those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things

they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I

would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I

find out !

>

> A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my

teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube,

would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad

(not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress

of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to

college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm

popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying

in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and

me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour

later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was

concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned,

and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so,

family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a

triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches

as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen

withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped

the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine.

I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a

prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert

doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the

pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines

undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of

new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to

prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back

to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being

referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do

without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to

those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this

point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get

it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one

coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I

know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head

throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now

that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to

the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find,

once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop

in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part,

I don't think it's all to it tho.

>

> Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

>

>

> Re: Questions about

insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

>

>

> I went and did some reading, then some googling and more

reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....

>

> I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans....

I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if I get the

terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the

tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when

they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of

the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus

and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect

to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....

>

> I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had

countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one

web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up

on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in

our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....

>

> When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure....

that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to

get me doing the 'that's me' jumping up and down in my chair....

>

> How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to

lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger

it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better

word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......

>

> I want to read up more on it....

>

> In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and

hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the

body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen

to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk

for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as

twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.

>

> All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches.....

pills usually didn't work... relaxation did... avoiding laying down

did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that

made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.

>

> Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with

me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I

tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before

bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper

body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck.....

She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until

after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and

as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth

and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on

the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my

face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was

gone.... despite all the things that I tried in the 36 hours

preceding that... it was that combination.

>

> I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third

grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never

helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told

me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in

a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup

barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back

window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and

sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several

hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head.....

said that I was fine.... sent me home.

>

> It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often

blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been

from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they

went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a

year since I've had one of these...

>

> Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this

morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash

it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted

my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's

when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had

caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most

curious.

>

> Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half...

and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for

a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for

about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that....

>

> Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can

feel what I call my 'headache shadow' I can feel where it was, the

essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but

it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of

sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from

eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a

shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a

shadow.... Why this one?

>

> I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever

cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this

severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?

>

> I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love

to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD',

about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to

someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)

>

> I'd like to run some more with this... if it's boring for the

group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are

details that make it worth the group looking at again....

>

> Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels

checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or

autoimmune disorder in your family?

>

[Guest guest]

i also get hormonal migraines- i get one or two between having my

period and the time right before or after. i could get one a couple

of days before and another a couple of days after. sometimes they

last 4 days. i sometimes get one when i ovulate too. i have a

chiropractor and i find that if i see him the duration of the

headache is typically cut down. when they started i could take a

naproxen or some tylenol with a cup of coffee, now i'm up to

percoset with imitrex or one of those drugs. i havent yet read all

the posts regarding this, so i may be repeating what someone has

already said, but some docs will prescribe birth control pills to

help with these migraines, which is a huge mistake. the bcp can

actually worsen the headaches. in fact the neuro i see for mine

advised me to never touch bcp. there is a product, the name of which

escapes me at the monent, but it is a stick, like a big chapstick.

you rub it on your forehead and it feels and smells like vicks vapor

rub. it sounds cheesy, but it actually works most of the time.

doesnt kill the headache, but brings some relief.

>

> Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too,

mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them

estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do

those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things

they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I

would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I

find out !

>

> A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my

teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube,

would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad

(not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress

of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to

college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm

popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying

in a dark room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and

me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour

later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was

concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned,

and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so,

family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a

triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches

as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen

withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped

the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine.

I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a

prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert

doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the

pills. Seems to do the job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines

undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of

new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to

prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back

to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being

referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do

without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to

those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this

point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get

it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one

coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I

know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head

throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now

that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to

the ER for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find,

once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop

in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part,

I don't think it's all to it tho.

>

> Jane<----tries to get neck to pop.

>

>

> Re: Questions about

insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari

>

>

> I went and did some reading, then some googling and more

reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....

>

> I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans....

I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if I get the

terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the

tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when

they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of

the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus

and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect

to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....

>

> I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had

countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one

web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up

on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in

our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....

>

> When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure....

that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to

get me doing the 'that's me' jumping up and down in my chair....

>

> How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to

lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger

it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better

word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......

>

> I want to read up more on it....

>

> In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and

hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the

body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen

to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk

for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as

twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.

>

> All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches.....

pills usually didn't work... relaxation did... avoiding laying down

did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that

made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.

>

> Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with

me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I

tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before

bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper

body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck.....

She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until

after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and

as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth

and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on

the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my

face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was

gone.... despite all the things that I tried in the 36 hours

preceding that... it was that combination.

>

> I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third

grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never

helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told

me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in

a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup

barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back

window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and

sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several

hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head.....

said that I was fine.... sent me home.

>

> It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often

blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been

from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they

went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a

year since I've had one of these...

>

> Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this

morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash

it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted

my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's

when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had

caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most

curious.

>

> Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half...

and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for

a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for

about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that....

>

> Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can

feel what I call my 'headache shadow' I can feel where it was, the

essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but

it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of

sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from

eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a

shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a

shadow.... Why this one?

>

> I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever

cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this

severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?

>

> I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love

to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD',

about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to

someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)

>

> I'd like to run some more with this... if it's boring for the

group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are

details that make it worth the group looking at again....

>

> Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels

checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or

autoimmune disorder in your family?

>

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It is called Head on and I am wondering if it works also cause I get terrible migraines for years and being alleric to everything I can't take much I just was wondering wether it works or not. Tina angie wrote: i also get hormonal migraines- i get one or two between having my period and the time right before or after. i could get one a couple of days before and another a couple of days after. sometimes they last 4 days. i sometimes get one when i ovulate too. i have a chiropractor and i

find that if i see him the duration of the headache is typically cut down. when they started i could take a naproxen or some tylenol with a cup of coffee, now i'm up to percoset with imitrex or one of those drugs. i havent yet read all the posts regarding this, so i may be repeating what someone has already said, but some docs will prescribe birth control pills to help with these migraines, which is a huge mistake. the bcp can actually worsen the headaches. in fact the neuro i see for mine advised me to never touch bcp. there is a product, the name of which escapes me at the monent, but it is a stick, like a big chapstick. you rub it on your forehead and it feels and smells like vicks vapor rub. it sounds cheesy, but it actually works most of the time. doesnt kill the headache, but brings some relief.>> Keep it on list

Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out ! > > A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark

room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the

job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER

for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho. > > Jane<----tries to get neck to pop. > > > Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari> > > I went and did some reading, then some googling and more reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....> > I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans.... I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if

I get the terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....> > I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....> > When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure.... that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to get me doing the 'that's

me' jumping up and down in my chair....> > How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......> > I want to read up more on it....> > In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.> > All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches..... pills usually didn't work... relaxation did...

avoiding laying down did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.> > Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck..... She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was gone.... despite all the things that I tried in

the 36 hours preceding that... it was that combination.> > I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head..... said that I was fine.... sent me home.> > It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they

went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a year since I've had one of these...> > Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most curious.> > Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half... and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that.... > > Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can feel what I call my 'headache

shadow' I can feel where it was, the essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a shadow.... Why this one?> > I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?> > I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD', about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)> > I'd like to run some more with this... if it's

boring for the group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are details that make it worth the group looking at again....> > Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or autoimmune disorder in your family?>

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It is called Head on and I am wondering if it works also cause I get terrible migraines for years and being alleric to everything I can't take much I just was wondering wether it works or not. Tina angie wrote: i also get hormonal migraines- i get one or two between having my period and the time right before or after. i could get one a couple of days before and another a couple of days after. sometimes they last 4 days. i sometimes get one when i ovulate too. i have a chiropractor and i

find that if i see him the duration of the headache is typically cut down. when they started i could take a naproxen or some tylenol with a cup of coffee, now i'm up to percoset with imitrex or one of those drugs. i havent yet read all the posts regarding this, so i may be repeating what someone has already said, but some docs will prescribe birth control pills to help with these migraines, which is a huge mistake. the bcp can actually worsen the headaches. in fact the neuro i see for mine advised me to never touch bcp. there is a product, the name of which escapes me at the monent, but it is a stick, like a big chapstick. you rub it on your forehead and it feels and smells like vicks vapor rub. it sounds cheesy, but it actually works most of the time. doesnt kill the headache, but brings some relief.>> Keep it on list

Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal. Because I've had lung blood clots I can't do those hormones, not that I would with all side effects and things they keep finding that aren't good about them. Just to say, yes, I would like to learn more about migraines and what you find out, I find out ! > > A migraine story of mine : I think my migraines started in my teen years. At the time my parent's lives were going down the tube, would make a soap opera. After each particular incident with my dad (not incest) I would get a migraine, so I figured it was the stress of my parent's lives falling apart and a not happy home. Forward to college, I'm at a friend's house, have one of my migraines, I'm popping a certain aspirin brand (before tylenol and ibu) and laying in a dark

room. Her Dad is a chiropractor and she convinces him and me to have him do a procedure on me. So he pops my neck, 1 hour later my migraine is gone. It was a miracle as far as I was concerned. So I did chiropractors regularly, just to keep aligned, and when a migraine was coming on, would go. Maybe 3 yrs ago or so, family doc prescribes Axert for when a migraine is starting. It's a triptan. Not triptyline. That was when she diagnosed my headaches as migraines, and connected them to my period (estrogen withdrawal.) It seems to work most of the time, and I've stopped the chiropractors. So, all those years, not diagnosed as migraine. I just toughed them out. Just this last year, family doc gives me a prescription of Darvocet (allergic to codeine) so when the Axert doesn't do the job, I don't have to go get a shot, I just pop the pills. Seems to do the

job. So I went 30 yrs with migraines undiagnosed. Just this last week I did a lot of reading on webmd of new migraine meds, and of interest to me especially were the ones to prevent them from even starting. When I'm stronger, I'm going back to doc to talk further of migraine treatment and maybe being referred to a migraine doc. But if there are things I can do without using drugs, all the better. I find with me, unusual to those who get migraines, that a cold pack makes them worse, at this point, I think a thermawrap helps on the back of the neck, if I get it on in time, and laying down makes them worse. If I have one coming on, it's not full strength yet, I don't go to bed because I know I will wake up in the middle of the night with my head throbbing - it will wake me up. I stay up till it's gone. And now that I have darvocet, it's a lot better than dragging my hubby to the ER

for a demerol shot in the middle of the night. I do find, once I can get the migraine to go away, I can get a good neck pop in, chiropractor style. I still think neck alignment plays a part, I don't think it's all to it tho. > > Jane<----tries to get neck to pop. > > > Re: Questions about insomnia / hypothyroid / hyperthyroid / chiari> > > I went and did some reading, then some googling and more reading, and then joined the Chiari support group this morning....> > I want to spend a bit more time looking at some brain scans.... I started wondering what happens when the, forgive me if

I get the terms wrong... I'm just starting to read about this today... .the tonsils of drop...arrgggh can't think of what it's called... when they drop into that whole like area, the deformity at the base of the skull... what does that pressure there to do the hypothalamus and the pituitary? How close is all of that to each other in respect to the pressure change as things drop and shift and move....> > I had this horrid headache a few days ago... one I've had countless times for decades.... as I looked at the MRIs at the one web site... where the 'tonsils' drop (for those that haven't read up on this yet.. it's not the same tonsils that we are familiar with in our throats..... ) that is the center of these horrid headaches....> > When they went into spinal alignment, relieving the pressure.... that for some it's the application of heat.... that all started to get me doing the 'that's

me' jumping up and down in my chair....> > How it feels better to move around when it hurts than it does to lay down.. that laying wrong, over extending, over use can trigger it... That it can be genetic, that it can be, for lack of a better word, dormant, until there is an injury or shock to the system......> > I want to read up more on it....> > In the last two years I've found a link between lymphedema and hypo.. not so much from the hypo part though.. but to damage to the body from either surgery or the RAI treatment.... it doesn't happen to everyone.. but anyone that gets a thyroidectomy or RAI is at risk for developing lymphedema and that symptoms can take as long as twenty years to appear, for me is was 14 years after my RAI.> > All the things that I did to try to relieve my headaches..... pills usually didn't work... relaxation did...

avoiding laying down did... heat did... Not all headaches.. just these 'weird' ones that made if feel like my head was going to split open, explode.> > Tina spent a LOT of time with me the other night... sharing with me her relaxation techniques while dealing with her migraines.... I tried a few of them... specifically the hot shower just before bed... a particular way of propping pillows for support of upper body, shoulders, neck head... and a rolled towel under my neck..... She also suggested ice... but I'd forgotten about that part until after I was all situated and didn't want to get up again...... and as I laid there a few minutes what I felt that I needed was warmth and ended up taking the end of the towel that was hanging out on the 'bad side' of my head and draping it over that side and my face..... I feel asleep in just a few minutes.. the pain was gone.... despite all the things that I tried in

the 36 hours preceding that... it was that combination.> > I started out with bad headaches as a child... by the third grade I as taking my mom's prescription pain killers and that never helped.... they put glasses on me and called it eye strain and told me to shut up...... I was in my early 20's when I was rear ended in a car accident.. .their car was totalled... the bumper on my pickup barely had a dent... and I whacked my head HARD on the back window... they checked me out at the scene, proclaimed me unhurt and sent me off to continue on to work... the headache started several hours later.... the doc said that it was from bumping my head..... said that I was fine.... sent me home.> > It was from that point on that they were REALLY bad... I often blamed it on that day... and the ones the last few years have been from bending or reaching.... I blamed those on severe hypo.. they

went away when I got my hormone levels up... it's been well over a year since I've had one of these...> > Why am I harping on this? It's came back. Came on this morning.... I took the turkey roaster down to the basement to stash it back up in the rafters.... I heard my 'crack'.... shouted my 'expletive deleted' and within 10 minutes it was back..... that's when I decided to do some reading.... The Chiari and insomnia had caught my eye in the first post and that is what got me the most curious.> > Okay.... so I read for about and hour to an hour and a half... and homed in on the list of remedies..... I did a warm compress for a few minutes and then went and laid in my 'nest'. I was there for about oh..... 10 minutes.... headache gone... just like that.... > > Why? Am I that susceptible to suggestion? I don't know... I can feel what I call my 'headache

shadow' I can feel where it was, the essence of just what portion of my head and neck was hurting.... but it's not hurting now... I've always wondered about that... a lack of sleep headache doesn't have a shadow... the headache you get from eyestrain doesn't have a shadow... a sinus headache doesn't have a shadow... a headache from forgetting to eat doesn't leave a shadow.... Why this one?> > I don't have a fever... just checked.... So did I have a fever cuz I was sick the other day.... or did I have a fever from this severe pain for more than 24 hours straight....?> > I guess I have some more reading to do..... I would dearly love to figure me out.... and I'm intrigued with your comments, 'JD', about folks with fibro (fibro is often the diagnosis given to someone that is really long term under or un treated hypo)> > I'd like to run some more with this... if it's

boring for the group... we could take it off list until we determine if there are details that make it worth the group looking at again....> > Out of curiosity.. have you had your son's thyroid levels checked? How old is he? Is there any history of thyroid disorder or autoimmune disorder in your family?>

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Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too,

mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them

estrogen withdrawal.

I get these too. My Doc reccommended Evening Primrose oil..my grandma

on the other hand reccommended Bananas. So far I do well with the

bananas..I find starting my monthly my potassium levels drop..so I

would eat two bananas the first day of my cycle and would be fine..

now I try and keep the pottasium levels fine through out the month and

eat a banana every third or 4 th day and do not need them for my cycle

and do not get the migraines..( not much of a cycle right now but was

working ) ..

Just two ideas that might help..I know my girlfriend takes Potassium

supplements 10 days a month and it works for her too.. Not 100% sure

on the connection here between Estrogen and Potassium but her

Naturalpath but her on it after I told her how Banana's worked for me..

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If you get migraines on a regular basis you can take feverfew. You have to take it everyday, not just when you have a headache. It should significantly reduce the migraines. Carolkats3boys wrote: Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal.I get these too. My Doc reccommended Evening Primrose oil..my grandma on the other hand reccommended Bananas. So far I do well with the bananas..I find starting my monthly my potassium levels drop..so I would eat two bananas the first day of my cycle and would be fine.. now I try and keep the pottasium levels fine through out the month and eat a banana every third or 4 th day and do not need them for my cycle

and do not get the migraines..( not much of a cycle right now but was working ) ..Just two ideas that might help..I know my girlfriend takes Potassium supplements 10 days a month and it works for her too.. Not 100% sure on the connection here between Estrogen and Potassium but her Naturalpath but her on it after I told her how Banana's worked for me..Kats3boys Carol Sobczak owner Jewels of the Earth Vegan Baking vegetarian baked goods for all occasions jewelsoftheearthveggiebaking@...

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If you get migraines on a regular basis you can take feverfew. You have to take it everyday, not just when you have a headache. It should significantly reduce the migraines. Carolkats3boys wrote: Keep it on list Topper. Knowledge is power. I get migraines too, mine come on around the time of my period. Doc has called them estrogen withdrawal.I get these too. My Doc reccommended Evening Primrose oil..my grandma on the other hand reccommended Bananas. So far I do well with the bananas..I find starting my monthly my potassium levels drop..so I would eat two bananas the first day of my cycle and would be fine.. now I try and keep the pottasium levels fine through out the month and eat a banana every third or 4 th day and do not need them for my cycle

and do not get the migraines..( not much of a cycle right now but was working ) ..Just two ideas that might help..I know my girlfriend takes Potassium supplements 10 days a month and it works for her too.. Not 100% sure on the connection here between Estrogen and Potassium but her Naturalpath but her on it after I told her how Banana's worked for me..Kats3boys Carol Sobczak owner Jewels of the Earth Vegan Baking vegetarian baked goods for all occasions jewelsoftheearthveggiebaking@...

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