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At 06:29 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote:

> is correct about the diagnoses for celiac; the blood tests are

>reasonably

>good but they miss some cases; the " gold standard " is the intestinal

>biopsy -

>sounds gruesome but it's not, it's out-patient, somewhat similar to a

>colonoscopy but from the other end!! No particular discomfort normally.

>

>Symptoms in my case were continuing and worsening stomach-area pain,

>sometimes nausea, not easily pegged to anything. Some people get brown

>marks on their skin, arms especially. The issue with gluten sensitivity

>is not

>short term, though, the real problem is a long-term deterioration of

>intestinal

>tissue (hence the intestinal biopsy for diagnosis). It's not like a

>shellfish or

>peanut allergy, where you are at instant risk of dying (though a few

>celiacs may

>be unusually sensitive). It's an insidious long-term process. For many

>of us,

>only if we somehow take in a large quantity of gluten, say a couple of

>slices of

>bread or equivalent, do we get pain.

Celiac disease, in many cases, is a genetic thing. In my granddaughter's

case, it came from her paternal grandmother. She was diagnosed at the

tender age of 10 months. They were treating her for failure to

thrive. She had trouble keeping food down and cried incessantly. As soon

as the she was on that diet, she settled down and did ok. It is not an easy

diet. One thing, her mother said that she could have french fries from

Mac's as the only thing they cook in those particular fryers are the

potatoes. Most other fast food places cook other things in the same fryer

and contaminate the oil with gluten from the breading.

in Portland OR

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At 06:29 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote:

> is correct about the diagnoses for celiac; the blood tests are

>reasonably

>good but they miss some cases; the " gold standard " is the intestinal

>biopsy -

>sounds gruesome but it's not, it's out-patient, somewhat similar to a

>colonoscopy but from the other end!! No particular discomfort normally.

>

>Symptoms in my case were continuing and worsening stomach-area pain,

>sometimes nausea, not easily pegged to anything. Some people get brown

>marks on their skin, arms especially. The issue with gluten sensitivity

>is not

>short term, though, the real problem is a long-term deterioration of

>intestinal

>tissue (hence the intestinal biopsy for diagnosis). It's not like a

>shellfish or

>peanut allergy, where you are at instant risk of dying (though a few

>celiacs may

>be unusually sensitive). It's an insidious long-term process. For many

>of us,

>only if we somehow take in a large quantity of gluten, say a couple of

>slices of

>bread or equivalent, do we get pain.

Celiac disease, in many cases, is a genetic thing. In my granddaughter's

case, it came from her paternal grandmother. She was diagnosed at the

tender age of 10 months. They were treating her for failure to

thrive. She had trouble keeping food down and cried incessantly. As soon

as the she was on that diet, she settled down and did ok. It is not an easy

diet. One thing, her mother said that she could have french fries from

Mac's as the only thing they cook in those particular fryers are the

potatoes. Most other fast food places cook other things in the same fryer

and contaminate the oil with gluten from the breading.

in Portland OR

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Kathleen, can you have an allergy to gluten without it¹s being celiac

disease? Thanks for helping me with this. (There seem to be several

Kathleens on this list, including me!)

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Kathleen Stept (Dofetilide 250mcg bid, Diltiazem 120 mg, Coumadin 5mg),

, Mississippi

> is correct about the diagnoses for celiac; the blood tests are reasonably

> good but they miss some cases; the " gold standard " is the intestinal biopsy -

> sounds gruesome but it's not, it's out-patient, somewhat similar to a

> colonoscopy but from the other end!! No particular discomfort normally.

>

> Symptoms in my case were continuing and worsening stomach-area pain,

> sometimes nausea, not easily pegged to anything. Some people get brown

> marks on their skin, arms especially. The issue with gluten sensitivity is

> not

> short term, though, the real problem is a long-term deterioration of

> intestinal

> tissue (hence the intestinal biopsy for diagnosis). It's not like a shellfish

> or

> peanut allergy, where you are at instant risk of dying (though a few celiacs

> may

> be unusually sensitive). It's an insidious long-term process. For many of

> us,

> only if we somehow take in a large quantity of gluten, say a couple of slices

> of

> bread or equivalent, do we get pain.

>

> And I agree, I've never seen or heard of any links to AF.

>

> Best. Kathleen

>

>

>

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Kathleen, can you have an allergy to gluten without it¹s being celiac

disease? Thanks for helping me with this. (There seem to be several

Kathleens on this list, including me!)

--

Kathleen Stept (Dofetilide 250mcg bid, Diltiazem 120 mg, Coumadin 5mg),

, Mississippi

> is correct about the diagnoses for celiac; the blood tests are reasonably

> good but they miss some cases; the " gold standard " is the intestinal biopsy -

> sounds gruesome but it's not, it's out-patient, somewhat similar to a

> colonoscopy but from the other end!! No particular discomfort normally.

>

> Symptoms in my case were continuing and worsening stomach-area pain,

> sometimes nausea, not easily pegged to anything. Some people get brown

> marks on their skin, arms especially. The issue with gluten sensitivity is

> not

> short term, though, the real problem is a long-term deterioration of

> intestinal

> tissue (hence the intestinal biopsy for diagnosis). It's not like a shellfish

> or

> peanut allergy, where you are at instant risk of dying (though a few celiacs

> may

> be unusually sensitive). It's an insidious long-term process. For many of

> us,

> only if we somehow take in a large quantity of gluten, say a couple of slices

> of

> bread or equivalent, do we get pain.

>

> And I agree, I've never seen or heard of any links to AF.

>

> Best. Kathleen

>

>

>

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Vicky, I assume that you can eat other grains, right?

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Kathleen Stept (Dofetilide 250mcg bid, Diltiazem 120 mg, Coumadin 5mg),

, Mississippi

> on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 at 22:07:16, Kathleen Stept

> wrote :

>> >Hi, Vicky! How did you figure out that you have a wheat intolerance?

>

> Tried cutting out all wheat products (this was 3 years after trying

> everything else!), then after a few months (it takes ages) I tried some

> bread, and my insides hurt like heck

>

>

> Best of health to all,

> Vicky

>

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THANKS for the great web reference, reinforcing something I have said many,

many times - namely, that AF is a multifaceted and highly complex condition

that is not about to yield simple and clean answers. Sort of like cancer,

without

the terrible outcomes, another disease that has obviously many, many causes

and paths, and whose treatment is evolving daily. At the moment, unless

someone lucks into clear " trigger " identification, it looks as though some

variety

of maze and/or ablation is the only cure for AF, and that's a symptomatic cure,

not truly one that gets at the cause(s). Thanks again. Kathleen (24/7 AF,

coumadin, atenolol, digoxin, a little lasix).

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THANKS for the great web reference, reinforcing something I have said many,

many times - namely, that AF is a multifaceted and highly complex condition

that is not about to yield simple and clean answers. Sort of like cancer,

without

the terrible outcomes, another disease that has obviously many, many causes

and paths, and whose treatment is evolving daily. At the moment, unless

someone lucks into clear " trigger " identification, it looks as though some

variety

of maze and/or ablation is the only cure for AF, and that's a symptomatic cure,

not truly one that gets at the cause(s). Thanks again. Kathleen (24/7 AF,

coumadin, atenolol, digoxin, a little lasix).

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As I understand it, " celiac " is really a gluten intolerance. It typically

involves

wheat, barley, oats and rye. I know there are people who are uniquetly wheat

intolerant (or say they are), and I don't know how they would officially be

classified. KathleenGreenBay (24/7,atenolol, digoxin,coumadin)

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As I understand it, " celiac " is really a gluten intolerance. It typically

involves

wheat, barley, oats and rye. I know there are people who are uniquetly wheat

intolerant (or say they are), and I don't know how they would officially be

classified. KathleenGreenBay (24/7,atenolol, digoxin,coumadin)

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Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

tescos.

C

---- Original message ----

>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:33:32 +0100

>

>Subject: Re: Gluten Free Diet

>To: AFIBsupport

>

>on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 at 22:07:16, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

>>Hi, Vicky! How did you figure out that you have a wheat

intolerance?

>

>Tried cutting out all wheat products (this was 3 years after

trying

>everything else!), then after a few months (it takes ages) I

tried some

>bread, and my insides hurt like heck

>

>

>Best of health to all,

>Vicky

>

>

>

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Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

tescos.

C

---- Original message ----

>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:33:32 +0100

>

>Subject: Re: Gluten Free Diet

>To: AFIBsupport

>

>on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 at 22:07:16, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

>>Hi, Vicky! How did you figure out that you have a wheat

intolerance?

>

>Tried cutting out all wheat products (this was 3 years after

trying

>everything else!), then after a few months (it takes ages) I

tried some

>bread, and my insides hurt like heck

>

>

>Best of health to all,

>Vicky

>

>

>

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Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

tescos.

C

---- Original message ----

>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:33:32 +0100

>

>Subject: Re: Gluten Free Diet

>To: AFIBsupport

>

>on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 at 22:07:16, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

>>Hi, Vicky! How did you figure out that you have a wheat

intolerance?

>

>Tried cutting out all wheat products (this was 3 years after

trying

>everything else!), then after a few months (it takes ages) I

tried some

>bread, and my insides hurt like heck

>

>

>Best of health to all,

>Vicky

>

>

>

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Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

tescos.

C

---- Original message ----

>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:33:32 +0100

>

>Subject: Re: Gluten Free Diet

>To: AFIBsupport

>

>on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 at 22:07:16, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

>>Hi, Vicky! How did you figure out that you have a wheat

intolerance?

>

>Tried cutting out all wheat products (this was 3 years after

trying

>everything else!), then after a few months (it takes ages) I

tried some

>bread, and my insides hurt like heck

>

>

>Best of health to all,

>Vicky

>

>

>

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Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

tescos.

C

---- Original message ----

>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:33:32 +0100

>

>Subject: Re: Gluten Free Diet

>To: AFIBsupport

>

>on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 at 22:07:16, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

>>Hi, Vicky! How did you figure out that you have a wheat

intolerance?

>

>Tried cutting out all wheat products (this was 3 years after

trying

>everything else!), then after a few months (it takes ages) I

tried some

>bread, and my insides hurt like heck

>

>

>Best of health to all,

>Vicky

>

>

>

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Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

tescos.

C

---- Original message ----

>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:33:32 +0100

>

>Subject: Re: Gluten Free Diet

>To: AFIBsupport

>

>on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 at 22:07:16, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

>>Hi, Vicky! How did you figure out that you have a wheat

intolerance?

>

>Tried cutting out all wheat products (this was 3 years after

trying

>everything else!), then after a few months (it takes ages) I

tried some

>bread, and my insides hurt like heck

>

>

>Best of health to all,

>Vicky

>

>

>

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on Wed, 18 Aug 2004 at 23:10:35, john codling

wrote :

>Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

>rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

>tescos.

> C

I never knew !

We (including my daughter) use out local Waitrose who have a good rye

bread selection, though you have to read the small print as some have

wheat in them!

About £1.40 a loaf.

Will look out for a Lidels, thanks

Best of health to all,

Vicky

London, UK, 1954 model

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on Wed, 18 Aug 2004 at 23:10:35, john codling

wrote :

>Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

>rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

>tescos.

> C

I never knew !

We (including my daughter) use out local Waitrose who have a good rye

bread selection, though you have to read the small print as some have

wheat in them!

About £1.40 a loaf.

Will look out for a Lidels, thanks

Best of health to all,

Vicky

London, UK, 1954 model

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on Wed, 18 Aug 2004 at 23:10:35, john codling

wrote :

>Hi Vicky, I too have this. If your interested you can buy a

>rye bread from Lidels only 65p other wise they are 2.60p in

>tescos.

> C

I never knew !

We (including my daughter) use out local Waitrose who have a good rye

bread selection, though you have to read the small print as some have

wheat in them!

About £1.40 a loaf.

Will look out for a Lidels, thanks

Best of health to all,

Vicky

London, UK, 1954 model

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At 01:58 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote:

>on Tue, 17 Aug 2004 at 21:04:27, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

> >Vicky, I assume that you can eat other grains, right?

>

>Yep, fine.

Sorry, Vicky, but rye and barley are on the forbidden list also. See the

following for the forbidden list:

<http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=185 & p_catid=12 & sid=91hH9H0-nMKdChL-\

26104354283.07>

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At 01:58 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote:

>on Tue, 17 Aug 2004 at 21:04:27, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

> >Vicky, I assume that you can eat other grains, right?

>

>Yep, fine.

Sorry, Vicky, but rye and barley are on the forbidden list also. See the

following for the forbidden list:

<http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=185 & p_catid=12 & sid=91hH9H0-nMKdChL-\

26104354283.07>

in Portland OR

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At 01:58 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote:

>on Tue, 17 Aug 2004 at 21:04:27, Kathleen Stept

>wrote :

> >Vicky, I assume that you can eat other grains, right?

>

>Yep, fine.

Sorry, Vicky, but rye and barley are on the forbidden list also. See the

following for the forbidden list:

<http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=185 & p_catid=12 & sid=91hH9H0-nMKdChL-\

26104354283.07>

in Portland OR

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on Thu, 19 Aug 2004 at 15:38:09, Laughlin

wrote :

>> >Vicky, I assume that you can eat other grains, right?

>>

>>Yep, fine.

>

>Sorry, Vicky, but rye and barley are on the forbidden list also. See the

>following for the forbidden list:

They are for coeliac, but I am not coeliac.

Best of health to all,

Vicky

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