Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Amy, Your list looks pretty thorough, but have you tried venting his g-tube for gas? Evan will make gagging noises when he needs to be vented (his Nissen must be pretty tight, because we have yet to see him vomit). I see you have tried slowing his feeds down some, but you may want to try slowing them even more. We have also slowed Evan's feeding rate way down, and this has helped a lot with the gagging. He gets 130 mL feeding at a rate of ~80-90 ml/hr, so a meal takes about 1 1/2-2 hrs. We went through a pretty miserble time with Evan, where we were trying to transition him to bollus feeds. It wasn't working, and he would lay there gagging. Evan's stomach was small to begin with, and between the Nissen and the g-tube, there just isn't much room left. I would imagine Ben's is the same way. Stuffing him full really doesn't help the stomach grow any faster--it's just going to grow along with him. Hope this helps, PS I recently visited Ben's page--he sure is a cutie. He and Evan look a lot alike (Evan has a page now too: http://www.babysites.com/sites/skeybunny/ --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Dear Amy- The thing which stood out the most to me is that Ben is eight months old. When was having extra drool from erupting teeth and swollen gums, he would tolerate his feeds quite poorly - much like what you describe. Eight months old was just after his front two lower central incisors erupted and much of his mouth was swollen with impending teeth. What helped for us was to give him a 2-6 ounce bolus of clear room temperature water when he first awoke and then wait at least 20 minutes to give him his first feeding. It seemed the water helped clear his stomach of any saliva and mucous he might have built up in his tummy. We would do the same if he was congested. It seemed (I theorize and speculate wildly here - but I gave it alot of thought at the time!) that if there were oral and nasal secretions in his tummy, they would float to the top during feeds and somehow trigger him to retch and gag. Further validating of my theory is that at times during the water bolus he would g-tube burp and all matter of bubbly slimy frothy stuff would come up the tube (we feed by gravity). As I have seen said " your mileage may vary " ) I hope this helps- Best of everything- Yuka Trouble with feeds - vomiting daily > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomiting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomiting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Dear Amy- The thing which stood out the most to me is that Ben is eight months old. When was having extra drool from erupting teeth and swollen gums, he would tolerate his feeds quite poorly - much like what you describe. Eight months old was just after his front two lower central incisors erupted and much of his mouth was swollen with impending teeth. What helped for us was to give him a 2-6 ounce bolus of clear room temperature water when he first awoke and then wait at least 20 minutes to give him his first feeding. It seemed the water helped clear his stomach of any saliva and mucous he might have built up in his tummy. We would do the same if he was congested. It seemed (I theorize and speculate wildly here - but I gave it alot of thought at the time!) that if there were oral and nasal secretions in his tummy, they would float to the top during feeds and somehow trigger him to retch and gag. Further validating of my theory is that at times during the water bolus he would g-tube burp and all matter of bubbly slimy frothy stuff would come up the tube (we feed by gravity). As I have seen said " your mileage may vary " ) I hope this helps- Best of everything- Yuka Trouble with feeds - vomiting daily > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomiting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomiting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Amy, Our son is almost two and we had many vomiting/reflux issues. Many we worked thru with trial and error: May I ask: 1) How many feedings a day do you give him? How many cc's per feeding over what time period and what is the duration between feedings? 2) has Ben had any upper respitory infections recently an ear infection, cold, sinus infection? 3)How long has he been on Zantac? Has he ever been on Prevacid? (mom to 2 years old 4/22/04, 5 1/2 years old, wife to Pat) New York Trouble with feeds - vomitting daily > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomitting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomitting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo > > > > > > CHARGE SYNDROME LISTSERV PHOTO PAGE: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2117043995 > > Membership of this email support group does not constitute membership in > the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation; for information about the CHARGE Syndrome > Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter), > please contact marion@... or visit > the web site at http://www.chargesyndrome.org > > 8th International > CHARGE Syndrome Conference, July, 2007. Information will be available at > www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Amy, Our son is almost two and we had many vomiting/reflux issues. Many we worked thru with trial and error: May I ask: 1) How many feedings a day do you give him? How many cc's per feeding over what time period and what is the duration between feedings? 2) has Ben had any upper respitory infections recently an ear infection, cold, sinus infection? 3)How long has he been on Zantac? Has he ever been on Prevacid? (mom to 2 years old 4/22/04, 5 1/2 years old, wife to Pat) New York Trouble with feeds - vomitting daily > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomitting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomitting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo > > > > > > CHARGE SYNDROME LISTSERV PHOTO PAGE: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2117043995 > > Membership of this email support group does not constitute membership in > the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation; for information about the CHARGE Syndrome > Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter), > please contact marion@... or visit > the web site at http://www.chargesyndrome.org > > 8th International > CHARGE Syndrome Conference, July, 2007. Information will be available at > www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Amy, Max's nutritionist the other day emphasized to not go too fast with feeds...Max right now is only on 54 ccs an hour, about 15 hours a day. Ben just might not be ready for bolus feeds....or have you already tried that slow before? Miss talking with you...let's catch up soon! Love to you and Ben!!! Key Storrs wrote: Amy, Your list looks pretty thorough, but have you tried venting his g-tube for gas? Evan will make gagging noises when he needs to be vented (his Nissen must be pretty tight, because we have yet to see him vomit). I see you have tried slowing his feeds down some, but you may want to try slowing them even more. We have also slowed Evan's feeding rate way down, and this has helped a lot with the gagging. He gets 130 mL feeding at a rate of ~80-90 ml/hr, so a meal takes about 1 1/2-2 hrs. We went through a pretty miserble time with Evan, where we were trying to transition him to bollus feeds. It wasn't working, and he would lay there gagging. Evan's stomach was small to begin with, and between the Nissen and the g-tube, there just isn't much room left. I would imagine Ben's is the same way. Stuffing him full really doesn't help the stomach grow any faster--it's just going to grow along with him. Hope this helps, PS I recently visited Ben's page--he sure is a cutie. He and Evan look a lot alike (Evan has a page now too: http://www.babysites.com/sites/skeybunny/ --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Amy, Max's nutritionist the other day emphasized to not go too fast with feeds...Max right now is only on 54 ccs an hour, about 15 hours a day. Ben just might not be ready for bolus feeds....or have you already tried that slow before? Miss talking with you...let's catch up soon! Love to you and Ben!!! Key Storrs wrote: Amy, Your list looks pretty thorough, but have you tried venting his g-tube for gas? Evan will make gagging noises when he needs to be vented (his Nissen must be pretty tight, because we have yet to see him vomit). I see you have tried slowing his feeds down some, but you may want to try slowing them even more. We have also slowed Evan's feeding rate way down, and this has helped a lot with the gagging. He gets 130 mL feeding at a rate of ~80-90 ml/hr, so a meal takes about 1 1/2-2 hrs. We went through a pretty miserble time with Evan, where we were trying to transition him to bollus feeds. It wasn't working, and he would lay there gagging. Evan's stomach was small to begin with, and between the Nissen and the g-tube, there just isn't much room left. I would imagine Ben's is the same way. Stuffing him full really doesn't help the stomach grow any faster--it's just going to grow along with him. Hope this helps, PS I recently visited Ben's page--he sure is a cutie. He and Evan look a lot alike (Evan has a page now too: http://www.babysites.com/sites/skeybunny/ --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Amy- Colleen's info jogged my memory. Aubrie also had a huge difference (positive change) with Nutramigen and Prilosec. Both were very helpful to her when her reflux was at its worst. Michele W mom to Aubrie 8 yrs CHARGE, 14 yrs and wife to DJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Amy, I am sorry Ben is suffering with the reflux/vomiting and I hope you find the answers to make him feel better soon. I don't know if what I am telling you is " mecically correct " but I can tell you of our own experiences and what has worked for us. Regarding the ear tubes and ear infections. Our son is currently going through something similar to Ben with the ear tubes. One tube was taken out and the other is not functioning properly. I am also working on scheduling to have them replaced. His pediatrician feels that with one tube out and the other not in place the Ciprodex is ineffective because the medication can not be carried by tube to the inner ear to heal the infection. So he has prescribed antibiotic for him to take to take by tube to heal this ear infection until we get new tubes and then we will go back to using the Ciprodex. It was my brother that mentioned one day that his son, my nephew (now 5) gets nausua and vomits everytime he has an ear infection. It alerted me to notice a similar pattern with my son. He just gets more mucosy/and I would guess it agitates and adds to the reflux situation. He usually will have the reflux/vomiting of mucous with an ear infection/upper respirtory infection and goes back to doing a lot better when he is on the antibiotics and on the mend. ( also had some teething issues recently and Yuka's post was of great interest and really seemed to make sense. I can see s recent problems being a bit of both the teething and the ear infection) Night feeding has always been more difficult. Funny you mention that Ben has his 3am to 8am daily reflux routine everyother day. It sounds very familiar. We use to do continous night feeds until about 6 months ago. He would usually have problems between 2am and 7am. I don't know if it was just too much of a build up of secretions or formula, but we did much better with giving him a break in the middle of the continuous feed or when we cut out the feeding between 2am and 7am the difficult period. He is now almost two and we give him 250ml over one hour. 5 times a day with a minimum of one hour between feeds. We feed between 8am and 9pm. We cut out night feeds altogeather. This works much better for him. He is putting on weight nicely (30 lbs!) It has been a lot of trial and error taking the full amout of mls he needed each day and dividing them overhis best times for feeding and what his tolerance for number of mls per feed and over what duration. Re: Zantac and Prevacid. takes Prevacid and we have been doing ok with it. I called our pharmacy and the pharmacist I spoke with indicated they are different drugs, Prevacid is better for GERD and Prevacid is more recent to the market?? I am still not clear on the specific differnce between these drugs,if one is better than the other or what contradictions there should be considered. I looked up both drugs but I am going to ask our GI the next time just out of curiosity http://www.drugs.com/zantac.html http://www.drugs.com/mtm/p/prevacid.html Lastly, just in case it is of interest I bought a reflux matress for and it seems to work well just wish I had it a year and a half ago http://www.acidrefluxpillow.com/PTPDesign/toddler.html Good luck! Please keep us updated with how he is doing. (mom to 23 months, 5 1/2years, wife to Pat) New York Trouble with feeds - vomitting daily > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomitting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomitting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo > > > > > > CHARGE SYNDROME LISTSERV PHOTO PAGE: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2117043995 > > Membership of this email support group does not constitute membership in > the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation; for information about the CHARGE Syndrome > Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter), > please contact marion@... or visit > the web site at http://www.chargesyndrome.org > > 8th International > CHARGE Syndrome Conference, July, 2007. Information will be available at > www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Amy, I am sorry Ben is suffering with the reflux/vomiting and I hope you find the answers to make him feel better soon. I don't know if what I am telling you is " mecically correct " but I can tell you of our own experiences and what has worked for us. Regarding the ear tubes and ear infections. Our son is currently going through something similar to Ben with the ear tubes. One tube was taken out and the other is not functioning properly. I am also working on scheduling to have them replaced. His pediatrician feels that with one tube out and the other not in place the Ciprodex is ineffective because the medication can not be carried by tube to the inner ear to heal the infection. So he has prescribed antibiotic for him to take to take by tube to heal this ear infection until we get new tubes and then we will go back to using the Ciprodex. It was my brother that mentioned one day that his son, my nephew (now 5) gets nausua and vomits everytime he has an ear infection. It alerted me to notice a similar pattern with my son. He just gets more mucosy/and I would guess it agitates and adds to the reflux situation. He usually will have the reflux/vomiting of mucous with an ear infection/upper respirtory infection and goes back to doing a lot better when he is on the antibiotics and on the mend. ( also had some teething issues recently and Yuka's post was of great interest and really seemed to make sense. I can see s recent problems being a bit of both the teething and the ear infection) Night feeding has always been more difficult. Funny you mention that Ben has his 3am to 8am daily reflux routine everyother day. It sounds very familiar. We use to do continous night feeds until about 6 months ago. He would usually have problems between 2am and 7am. I don't know if it was just too much of a build up of secretions or formula, but we did much better with giving him a break in the middle of the continuous feed or when we cut out the feeding between 2am and 7am the difficult period. He is now almost two and we give him 250ml over one hour. 5 times a day with a minimum of one hour between feeds. We feed between 8am and 9pm. We cut out night feeds altogeather. This works much better for him. He is putting on weight nicely (30 lbs!) It has been a lot of trial and error taking the full amout of mls he needed each day and dividing them overhis best times for feeding and what his tolerance for number of mls per feed and over what duration. Re: Zantac and Prevacid. takes Prevacid and we have been doing ok with it. I called our pharmacy and the pharmacist I spoke with indicated they are different drugs, Prevacid is better for GERD and Prevacid is more recent to the market?? I am still not clear on the specific differnce between these drugs,if one is better than the other or what contradictions there should be considered. I looked up both drugs but I am going to ask our GI the next time just out of curiosity http://www.drugs.com/zantac.html http://www.drugs.com/mtm/p/prevacid.html Lastly, just in case it is of interest I bought a reflux matress for and it seems to work well just wish I had it a year and a half ago http://www.acidrefluxpillow.com/PTPDesign/toddler.html Good luck! Please keep us updated with how he is doing. (mom to 23 months, 5 1/2years, wife to Pat) New York Trouble with feeds - vomitting daily > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomitting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomitting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo > > > > > > CHARGE SYNDROME LISTSERV PHOTO PAGE: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2117043995 > > Membership of this email support group does not constitute membership in > the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation; for information about the CHARGE Syndrome > Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter), > please contact marion@... or visit > the web site at http://www.chargesyndrome.org > > 8th International > CHARGE Syndrome Conference, July, 2007. Information will be available at > www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Amy, I am sorry Ben is suffering with the reflux/vomiting and I hope you find the answers to make him feel better soon. I don't know if what I am telling you is " mecically correct " but I can tell you of our own experiences and what has worked for us. Regarding the ear tubes and ear infections. Our son is currently going through something similar to Ben with the ear tubes. One tube was taken out and the other is not functioning properly. I am also working on scheduling to have them replaced. His pediatrician feels that with one tube out and the other not in place the Ciprodex is ineffective because the medication can not be carried by tube to the inner ear to heal the infection. So he has prescribed antibiotic for him to take to take by tube to heal this ear infection until we get new tubes and then we will go back to using the Ciprodex. It was my brother that mentioned one day that his son, my nephew (now 5) gets nausua and vomits everytime he has an ear infection. It alerted me to notice a similar pattern with my son. He just gets more mucosy/and I would guess it agitates and adds to the reflux situation. He usually will have the reflux/vomiting of mucous with an ear infection/upper respirtory infection and goes back to doing a lot better when he is on the antibiotics and on the mend. ( also had some teething issues recently and Yuka's post was of great interest and really seemed to make sense. I can see s recent problems being a bit of both the teething and the ear infection) Night feeding has always been more difficult. Funny you mention that Ben has his 3am to 8am daily reflux routine everyother day. It sounds very familiar. We use to do continous night feeds until about 6 months ago. He would usually have problems between 2am and 7am. I don't know if it was just too much of a build up of secretions or formula, but we did much better with giving him a break in the middle of the continuous feed or when we cut out the feeding between 2am and 7am the difficult period. He is now almost two and we give him 250ml over one hour. 5 times a day with a minimum of one hour between feeds. We feed between 8am and 9pm. We cut out night feeds altogeather. This works much better for him. He is putting on weight nicely (30 lbs!) It has been a lot of trial and error taking the full amout of mls he needed each day and dividing them overhis best times for feeding and what his tolerance for number of mls per feed and over what duration. Re: Zantac and Prevacid. takes Prevacid and we have been doing ok with it. I called our pharmacy and the pharmacist I spoke with indicated they are different drugs, Prevacid is better for GERD and Prevacid is more recent to the market?? I am still not clear on the specific differnce between these drugs,if one is better than the other or what contradictions there should be considered. I looked up both drugs but I am going to ask our GI the next time just out of curiosity http://www.drugs.com/zantac.html http://www.drugs.com/mtm/p/prevacid.html Lastly, just in case it is of interest I bought a reflux matress for and it seems to work well just wish I had it a year and a half ago http://www.acidrefluxpillow.com/PTPDesign/toddler.html Good luck! Please keep us updated with how he is doing. (mom to 23 months, 5 1/2years, wife to Pat) New York Trouble with feeds - vomitting daily > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomitting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomitting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo > > > > > > CHARGE SYNDROME LISTSERV PHOTO PAGE: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2117043995 > > Membership of this email support group does not constitute membership in > the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation; for information about the CHARGE Syndrome > Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter), > please contact marion@... or visit > the web site at http://www.chargesyndrome.org > > 8th International > CHARGE Syndrome Conference, July, 2007. Information will be available at > www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 My Daughter is now 10 monthes old. She had a NG tube until she was 5 monthes old, then they put in a Gtube at 6 monthes old but she was still refluxing like crazy until finally at 8 monthes old I screamed and begged the doctors to put a GJ tube in (very conterversial) but for my daughter it was the best thing ever. It gave her a change to grow a little and guess what.... she is 10 monthes old and no longer needs either !!! That little break her body got by not having to handle the vomiting with the GJ tube allowed her to grow properly and out grow the reflux (mostly)She completly drinks everything and eats everything! There's hope! Hang in there! You'll get allot of different ideas thats for sure. Some people have done the fundoplication and I heard that's pretty good too but it is a very big sergury and doesn't always work. Keep that in mind. Some people don't like the idea of being on a pump for soo many hours with the GJ tube and I totally agree but for me thank god it was only temperary btu you know what... I couldn't take seeing my daughter vomit anymore so the duration on the pump was worth it. Good luck ! > > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomitting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomitting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 My Daughter is now 10 monthes old. She had a NG tube until she was 5 monthes old, then they put in a Gtube at 6 monthes old but she was still refluxing like crazy until finally at 8 monthes old I screamed and begged the doctors to put a GJ tube in (very conterversial) but for my daughter it was the best thing ever. It gave her a change to grow a little and guess what.... she is 10 monthes old and no longer needs either !!! That little break her body got by not having to handle the vomiting with the GJ tube allowed her to grow properly and out grow the reflux (mostly)She completly drinks everything and eats everything! There's hope! Hang in there! You'll get allot of different ideas thats for sure. Some people have done the fundoplication and I heard that's pretty good too but it is a very big sergury and doesn't always work. Keep that in mind. Some people don't like the idea of being on a pump for soo many hours with the GJ tube and I totally agree but for me thank god it was only temperary btu you know what... I couldn't take seeing my daughter vomit anymore so the duration on the pump was worth it. Good luck ! > > My 8 month old son, Ben (Ben has CHARGE, a trach, Nissen, GTube, > severe hearing loss, small kidneys, enlarged ventricles, and urinary > trach reflux)started having vomitting issues again. (Last time it > was related to his GTube being in too far). > > Ben started heaving a month ago after his daytime feeds (given via > GTube over 30 minutes over a pump)until he would finally throw up. > He would then lay in the bed super still for about 20 minutes > afterwards like he didn't feel good. After about 20 minutes, he > would then kick and play like he was ok. We have talked to many, > many doctors and everything they have suggested hasn't made a > difference. Ben is now vomitting once during his daytime feeds and > every now and then in the morning once he's almost done with his > continuous feeds. > > We have tried: > 1. Feeding him over an hour during the day > 2. Increasing his Zantac > 3. Propping him during feeds > 4. Giving him nebulizer treatments every 3-4 hours > 5. Switching food to Enfamil AR (Acid Reflux) > 6. Feeding him less during the day > 7. Checking his Nissen to make sure it is in tack > 8. Chest Xrays > > Has anyone gone through this? Any suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. Thank you. > Amy Russo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Amy- After the HANDLE training, I think there could be something neurological causing the relationship between ear infections and vomiting. Given that our kids' often have misplaced nerves and that their systems often have unusual responses to all kinds of stimuli, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that the mess in the ear could be causing a vomit situation. I had forgotten that Aubrie sometimes vomits with an ear infection. It's not always, but often enough to know that it's related. Keep in mind that this is all layman's theorizing. Michele W mom to Aubrie 8 yrs CHARGE, 14 yrs and wife to DJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 eaqther all of that or it cold be sileent reflux kim if ur there is that wat u called it once its not the nisses but its stuff ti other words its dumping sycrome i have that and a few on here do hgus ellen > > Amy- > After the HANDLE training, I think there could be something neurological > causing the relationship between ear infections and vomiting. Given that > our kids' often have misplaced nerves and that their systems often have > unusual responses to all kinds of stimuli, it doesn't seem like much of a > stretch to think that the mess in the ear could be causing a vomit > situation. I had forgotten that Aubrie sometimes vomits with an ear > infection. It's not always, but often enough to know that it's related. > Keep in mind that this is all layman's theorizing. > > Michele W > mom to Aubrie 8 yrs CHARGE, 14 yrs and wife to DJ > > > > > CHARGE SYNDROME LISTSERV PHOTO PAGE: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2117043995 > > Membership of this email support group does not constitute membership in > the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation; for information about the CHARGE Syndrome > Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter), > please contact marion@... or visit > the web site at http://www.chargesyndrome.org > > 8th International > CHARGE Syndrome Conference, July, 2007. Information will be available at > www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 eaqther all of that or it cold be sileent reflux kim if ur there is that wat u called it once its not the nisses but its stuff ti other words its dumping sycrome i have that and a few on here do hgus ellen > > Amy- > After the HANDLE training, I think there could be something neurological > causing the relationship between ear infections and vomiting. Given that > our kids' often have misplaced nerves and that their systems often have > unusual responses to all kinds of stimuli, it doesn't seem like much of a > stretch to think that the mess in the ear could be causing a vomit > situation. I had forgotten that Aubrie sometimes vomits with an ear > infection. It's not always, but often enough to know that it's related. > Keep in mind that this is all layman's theorizing. > > Michele W > mom to Aubrie 8 yrs CHARGE, 14 yrs and wife to DJ > > > > > CHARGE SYNDROME LISTSERV PHOTO PAGE: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2117043995 > > Membership of this email support group does not constitute membership in > the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation; for information about the CHARGE Syndrome > Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter), > please contact marion@... or visit > the web site at http://www.chargesyndrome.org > > 8th International > CHARGE Syndrome Conference, July, 2007. Information will be available at > www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Amy, Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an infection lately (with a catheter sample)? Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60-70 ml/hr--anything faster just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Amy, Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an infection lately (with a catheter sample)? Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60-70 ml/hr--anything faster just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Amy, Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an infection lately (with a catheter sample)? Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60-70 ml/hr--anything faster just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 140 to fast for me though i have mannaged it for short periods of time usual 100 and fifty at night > > Amy, > > Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our > peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an > infection lately (with a catheter sample)? > > Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really > fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 > ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60-70 ml/hr--anything faster > just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. > > (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! > Messenger with Voice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 140 to fast for me though i have mannaged it for short periods of time usual 100 and fifty at night > > Amy, > > Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our > peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an > infection lately (with a catheter sample)? > > Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really > fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 > ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60-70 ml/hr--anything faster > just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. > > (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! > Messenger with Voice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 140 to fast for me though i have mannaged it for short periods of time usual 100 and fifty at night > > Amy, > > Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our > peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an > infection lately (with a catheter sample)? > > Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really > fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 > ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60-70 ml/hr--anything faster > just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. > > (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! > Messenger with Voice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Daily vomits used to be usual occurance for Amelie, we are maxed on all reflux drugs although the GJ tube appears to have improved her reflux as we are no longer seeing anything rush down her nose, this is my reason for hanging on with disassociation. feed issues, she has 54mls pump fed over 20 hours and two small two hour breaks in a 24 hour period. Amelie will retch even when her meds are put in it has to be very slow, its the part of charge i wish we could resolve, and that way her lungs would get a break. love les x > > Amy, > > Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an infection lately (with a catheter sample)? > > Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60- 70 ml/hr--anything faster just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. > > (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Daily vomits used to be usual occurance for Amelie, we are maxed on all reflux drugs although the GJ tube appears to have improved her reflux as we are no longer seeing anything rush down her nose, this is my reason for hanging on with disassociation. feed issues, she has 54mls pump fed over 20 hours and two small two hour breaks in a 24 hour period. Amelie will retch even when her meds are put in it has to be very slow, its the part of charge i wish we could resolve, and that way her lungs would get a break. love les x > > Amy, > > Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an infection lately (with a catheter sample)? > > Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60- 70 ml/hr--anything faster just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. > > (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Daily vomits used to be usual occurance for Amelie, we are maxed on all reflux drugs although the GJ tube appears to have improved her reflux as we are no longer seeing anything rush down her nose, this is my reason for hanging on with disassociation. feed issues, she has 54mls pump fed over 20 hours and two small two hour breaks in a 24 hour period. Amelie will retch even when her meds are put in it has to be very slow, its the part of charge i wish we could resolve, and that way her lungs would get a break. love les x > > Amy, > > Urinary tract infections will also cause vomiting (per our peditrician). I see Ben also has urinary reflux--has he been checked for an infection lately (with a catheter sample)? > > Looking at Ben's feeding rates during the day--140 ml/hr seems really fast. We can't go any faster than 110 ml/hr with Evan (sometimes even 100 ml/hr is too fast). At night we go down to 60- 70 ml/hr--anything faster just eventually catches up with him and makes him gag. > > (mom to Evan 8.5 mos) > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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