Re: Those that have fib 24/7 Question?

[Guest guest]

> I have heard the term having fib 24/7, could someone explain what

> exactly that means?

24/7 - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week i.e. all the time.

[Guest guest]

> I have heard the term having fib 24/7, could someone explain what

> exactly that means?

24/7 - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week i.e. all the time.

[Guest guest]

> I have heard the term having fib 24/7, could someone explain what

> exactly that means?

The expression 24/7 refers to 24 hours a day seven days a week .It is

popular culture term not a medical term. In genreal persons haviing

Afib 24/7 would be said to have either Permenent Afib (will not

convert NSR (normal sinus rhythem ) after cardioverion ;or Persistent

Afib continious and usually the first diagnosis after being in afib

for a considerable time without sponataniously converting .

[Guest guest]

> I have heard the term having fib 24/7, could someone explain what

> exactly that means?

The expression 24/7 refers to 24 hours a day seven days a week .It is

popular culture term not a medical term. In genreal persons haviing

Afib 24/7 would be said to have either Permenent Afib (will not

convert NSR (normal sinus rhythem ) after cardioverion ;or Persistent

Afib continious and usually the first diagnosis after being in afib

for a considerable time without sponataniously converting .

[Guest guest]

> I have heard the term having fib 24/7, could someone explain what

> exactly that means?

The expression 24/7 refers to 24 hours a day seven days a week .It is

popular culture term not a medical term. In genreal persons haviing

Afib 24/7 would be said to have either Permenent Afib (will not

convert NSR (normal sinus rhythem ) after cardioverion ;or Persistent

Afib continious and usually the first diagnosis after being in afib

for a considerable time without sponataniously converting .

[Guest guest]

I believe many of us in 24/7 refer to it as " permanent, chronic " AF. We are

never in nsr. It's been 15 months for me. In fact, many of us are relieved

NOT to be in the 'in and out', or paroxysmal, situation, because we have no

uncertainty, no sudden AF crises. If our ventricular rate is well controlled

with

beta-blockers and/or calcium channel blockers (which is usually fairly easy),

and sometimes with the addition of digoxin, we go about our daily lives

without any of the fuss or worry of AF. EXCEPT (there is always an except):

Of course we are always on coumadin, but that usually settles down into a

monthly blood test or finger poke. And we do experience perhaps a 15%

decrease in overall energy level. Some of the energy loss is due to the

medications, but the reality of permanent AF is that our cardiac output (the

amount of blood circulated per heart beat or per minute) is reduced because

the atria are not contracting and thus not helping to fill the ventricles for

each

beat. That's a reality of the physics of the circulation. The amount of

diminished blood (and hence oxygen) circulation varies widely from AF

person to AF person, and of course depends heavily on the health of the

ventricles; someone whose ventricles have been weakened by heart attacks,

for instance, is going to be a lot more disadvantaged by AF than someone

with otherwise strong and healthy ventricles.

When and if the diminished energy becomes problematic, we begin to think

about undergoing ablation, especially those of us under 60 (not I,

unfortunately). Natale at Cleveland Clinic has no hesitation doing ablation on

people who have not been in nsr for months or longer, so we keep this

possibility open. Again, depending on age and other health states, we have

to ask, is the inconvenience and potential risk of ablation likely to improve

our status enough to make it all worth it. Only the individual can answer that

question for herself. It's not an easy call, I'm still fence-sitting.

All the best to you. Don't ever, ever neglect the anticoagulation, that can be,

and will be, the killer for people in permanent chronic AF. I try to stay on

the

high side of the INR 2.0 to 3.0 range, preferring 2.5 to a little over 3 -

luckily I

have had no bleeding problems when over 3. Kathleen

[Guest guest]

I believe many of us in 24/7 refer to it as " permanent, chronic " AF. We are

never in nsr. It's been 15 months for me. In fact, many of us are relieved

NOT to be in the 'in and out', or paroxysmal, situation, because we have no

uncertainty, no sudden AF crises. If our ventricular rate is well controlled

with

beta-blockers and/or calcium channel blockers (which is usually fairly easy),

and sometimes with the addition of digoxin, we go about our daily lives

without any of the fuss or worry of AF. EXCEPT (there is always an except):

Of course we are always on coumadin, but that usually settles down into a

monthly blood test or finger poke. And we do experience perhaps a 15%

decrease in overall energy level. Some of the energy loss is due to the

medications, but the reality of permanent AF is that our cardiac output (the

amount of blood circulated per heart beat or per minute) is reduced because

the atria are not contracting and thus not helping to fill the ventricles for

each

beat. That's a reality of the physics of the circulation. The amount of

diminished blood (and hence oxygen) circulation varies widely from AF

person to AF person, and of course depends heavily on the health of the

ventricles; someone whose ventricles have been weakened by heart attacks,

for instance, is going to be a lot more disadvantaged by AF than someone

with otherwise strong and healthy ventricles.

When and if the diminished energy becomes problematic, we begin to think

about undergoing ablation, especially those of us under 60 (not I,

unfortunately). Natale at Cleveland Clinic has no hesitation doing ablation on

people who have not been in nsr for months or longer, so we keep this

possibility open. Again, depending on age and other health states, we have

to ask, is the inconvenience and potential risk of ablation likely to improve

our status enough to make it all worth it. Only the individual can answer that

question for herself. It's not an easy call, I'm still fence-sitting.

All the best to you. Don't ever, ever neglect the anticoagulation, that can be,

and will be, the killer for people in permanent chronic AF. I try to stay on

the

high side of the INR 2.0 to 3.0 range, preferring 2.5 to a little over 3 -

luckily I

have had no bleeding problems when over 3. Kathleen

[Guest guest]

I believe many of us in 24/7 refer to it as " permanent, chronic " AF. We are

never in nsr. It's been 15 months for me. In fact, many of us are relieved

NOT to be in the 'in and out', or paroxysmal, situation, because we have no

uncertainty, no sudden AF crises. If our ventricular rate is well controlled

with

beta-blockers and/or calcium channel blockers (which is usually fairly easy),

and sometimes with the addition of digoxin, we go about our daily lives

without any of the fuss or worry of AF. EXCEPT (there is always an except):

Of course we are always on coumadin, but that usually settles down into a

monthly blood test or finger poke. And we do experience perhaps a 15%

decrease in overall energy level. Some of the energy loss is due to the

medications, but the reality of permanent AF is that our cardiac output (the

amount of blood circulated per heart beat or per minute) is reduced because

the atria are not contracting and thus not helping to fill the ventricles for

each

beat. That's a reality of the physics of the circulation. The amount of

diminished blood (and hence oxygen) circulation varies widely from AF

person to AF person, and of course depends heavily on the health of the

ventricles; someone whose ventricles have been weakened by heart attacks,

for instance, is going to be a lot more disadvantaged by AF than someone

with otherwise strong and healthy ventricles.

When and if the diminished energy becomes problematic, we begin to think

about undergoing ablation, especially those of us under 60 (not I,

unfortunately). Natale at Cleveland Clinic has no hesitation doing ablation on

people who have not been in nsr for months or longer, so we keep this

possibility open. Again, depending on age and other health states, we have

to ask, is the inconvenience and potential risk of ablation likely to improve

our status enough to make it all worth it. Only the individual can answer that

question for herself. It's not an easy call, I'm still fence-sitting.

All the best to you. Don't ever, ever neglect the anticoagulation, that can be,

and will be, the killer for people in permanent chronic AF. I try to stay on

the

high side of the INR 2.0 to 3.0 range, preferring 2.5 to a little over 3 -

luckily I

have had no bleeding problems when over 3. Kathleen

[Guest guest]

I believe many of us in 24/7 refer to it as " permanent, chronic " AF. We are

never in nsr. It's been 15 months for me. In fact, many of us are relieved

NOT to be in the 'in and out', or paroxysmal, situation, because we have no

uncertainty, no sudden AF crises. If our ventricular rate is well controlled

with

beta-blockers and/or calcium channel blockers (which is usually fairly easy),

and sometimes with the addition of digoxin, we go about our daily lives

without any of the fuss or worry of AF. EXCEPT (there is always an except):

Of course we are always on coumadin, but that usually settles down into a

monthly blood test or finger poke. And we do experience perhaps a 15%

decrease in overall energy level. Some of the energy loss is due to the

medications, but the reality of permanent AF is that our cardiac output (the

amount of blood circulated per heart beat or per minute) is reduced because

the atria are not contracting and thus not helping to fill the ventricles for

each

beat. That's a reality of the physics of the circulation. The amount of

diminished blood (and hence oxygen) circulation varies widely from AF

person to AF person, and of course depends heavily on the health of the

ventricles; someone whose ventricles have been weakened by heart attacks,

for instance, is going to be a lot more disadvantaged by AF than someone

with otherwise strong and healthy ventricles.

When and if the diminished energy becomes problematic, we begin to think

about undergoing ablation, especially those of us under 60 (not I,

unfortunately). Natale at Cleveland Clinic has no hesitation doing ablation on

people who have not been in nsr for months or longer, so we keep this

possibility open. Again, depending on age and other health states, we have

to ask, is the inconvenience and potential risk of ablation likely to improve

our status enough to make it all worth it. Only the individual can answer that

question for herself. It's not an easy call, I'm still fence-sitting.

All the best to you. Don't ever, ever neglect the anticoagulation, that can be,

and will be, the killer for people in permanent chronic AF. I try to stay on

the

high side of the INR 2.0 to 3.0 range, preferring 2.5 to a little over 3 -

luckily I

have had no bleeding problems when over 3. Kathleen

[Guest guest]

I believe many of us in 24/7 refer to it as " permanent, chronic " AF. We are

never in nsr. It's been 15 months for me. In fact, many of us are relieved

NOT to be in the 'in and out', or paroxysmal, situation, because we have no

uncertainty, no sudden AF crises. If our ventricular rate is well controlled

with

beta-blockers and/or calcium channel blockers (which is usually fairly easy),

and sometimes with the addition of digoxin, we go about our daily lives

without any of the fuss or worry of AF. EXCEPT (there is always an except):

Of course we are always on coumadin, but that usually settles down into a

monthly blood test or finger poke. And we do experience perhaps a 15%

decrease in overall energy level. Some of the energy loss is due to the

medications, but the reality of permanent AF is that our cardiac output (the

amount of blood circulated per heart beat or per minute) is reduced because

the atria are not contracting and thus not helping to fill the ventricles for

each

beat. That's a reality of the physics of the circulation. The amount of

diminished blood (and hence oxygen) circulation varies widely from AF

person to AF person, and of course depends heavily on the health of the

ventricles; someone whose ventricles have been weakened by heart attacks,

for instance, is going to be a lot more disadvantaged by AF than someone

with otherwise strong and healthy ventricles.

When and if the diminished energy becomes problematic, we begin to think

about undergoing ablation, especially those of us under 60 (not I,

unfortunately). Natale at Cleveland Clinic has no hesitation doing ablation on

people who have not been in nsr for months or longer, so we keep this

possibility open. Again, depending on age and other health states, we have

to ask, is the inconvenience and potential risk of ablation likely to improve

our status enough to make it all worth it. Only the individual can answer that

question for herself. It's not an easy call, I'm still fence-sitting.

All the best to you. Don't ever, ever neglect the anticoagulation, that can be,

and will be, the killer for people in permanent chronic AF. I try to stay on

the

high side of the INR 2.0 to 3.0 range, preferring 2.5 to a little over 3 -

luckily I

have had no bleeding problems when over 3. Kathleen

[Guest guest]

" 24/7 " is a layman term for " chronic " in medical terminology, meaning it's

permanent. (all the time)

Thor

Those that have fib 24/7 Question?

I have heard the term having fib 24/7, could someone explain what

exactly that means? Is that permanet fib or just in and out daily?

My fibs have started to come more often, about twice weekly and it

drives me crazy, then It will go away again for months, how does one

cope with 24/7? Luckily, so far, they are at night, so my days are

usually fib free, but I do lack some sleep because of it.

MandyofCA

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[Guest guest]

" 24/7 " is a layman term for " chronic " in medical terminology, meaning it's

permanent. (all the time)

Thor

Those that have fib 24/7 Question?

I have heard the term having fib 24/7, could someone explain what

exactly that means? Is that permanet fib or just in and out daily?

My fibs have started to come more often, about twice weekly and it

drives me crazy, then It will go away again for months, how does one

cope with 24/7? Luckily, so far, they are at night, so my days are

usually fib free, but I do lack some sleep because of it.

MandyofCA

Web Page - http://www.afibsupport.com

List owner: AFIBsupport-owner

For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via email,

send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help

Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or should be

acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

[Guest guest]

> I believe many of us in 24/7 refer to it as " permanent, chronic "

AF. We are

> never in nsr. It's been 15 months for me. In fact, many of us are

relieved

> NOT to be in the 'in and out', or paroxysmal, situation, because we

have no

> uncertainty, no sudden AF crises.

**********************************************************************

Kathleen - You said it well. I was in chronic/persistent afib for 6

months before an electro cardioversion popped me back to nsr.

Looking for the irregualary irregular beat, I missed the fact that I

went into atrial flutter. With the fllutter, we decided to do an

abaltion (flutter abalations are a little easier than afib ablations)

and it was a success. I am now almost 3 months in nsr since the

ablation and praising every day of it. But my experience is that you

can live a quite normal life with chronic/persistent afib. I did it

for 6 months and quite frankly wondered why I would take any risks to

get rid of it. But I went for the cardioversion, and subsequently

the flutter ablation and am glad I did. Afib 24/7 is not that big a

deal. Check out your options and make a decision. NSR is better

than afib, for sure, but at what risk. Weigh the options, make your

decision, and go for it.

Ed in VA

[Guest guest]

> I believe many of us in 24/7 refer to it as " permanent, chronic "

AF. We are

> never in nsr. It's been 15 months for me. In fact, many of us are

relieved

> NOT to be in the 'in and out', or paroxysmal, situation, because we

have no

> uncertainty, no sudden AF crises.

**********************************************************************

Kathleen - You said it well. I was in chronic/persistent afib for 6

months before an electro cardioversion popped me back to nsr.

Looking for the irregualary irregular beat, I missed the fact that I

went into atrial flutter. With the fllutter, we decided to do an

abaltion (flutter abalations are a little easier than afib ablations)

and it was a success. I am now almost 3 months in nsr since the

ablation and praising every day of it. But my experience is that you

can live a quite normal life with chronic/persistent afib. I did it

for 6 months and quite frankly wondered why I would take any risks to

get rid of it. But I went for the cardioversion, and subsequently

the flutter ablation and am glad I did. Afib 24/7 is not that big a

deal. Check out your options and make a decision. NSR is better

than afib, for sure, but at what risk. Weigh the options, make your

decision, and go for it.

Ed in VA

[Guest guest]

> I believe many of us in 24/7 refer to it as " permanent, chronic "

AF. We are

> never in nsr. It's been 15 months for me. In fact, many of us are

relieved

> NOT to be in the 'in and out', or paroxysmal, situation, because we

have no

> uncertainty, no sudden AF crises.

**********************************************************************

Kathleen - You said it well. I was in chronic/persistent afib for 6

months before an electro cardioversion popped me back to nsr.

Looking for the irregualary irregular beat, I missed the fact that I

went into atrial flutter. With the fllutter, we decided to do an

abaltion (flutter abalations are a little easier than afib ablations)

and it was a success. I am now almost 3 months in nsr since the

ablation and praising every day of it. But my experience is that you

can live a quite normal life with chronic/persistent afib. I did it

for 6 months and quite frankly wondered why I would take any risks to

get rid of it. But I went for the cardioversion, and subsequently

the flutter ablation and am glad I did. Afib 24/7 is not that big a

deal. Check out your options and make a decision. NSR is better

than afib, for sure, but at what risk. Weigh the options, make your

decision, and go for it.

Ed in VA

[Guest guest]

Afib 24/7 is not that big a

deal.

How were you able to sleep at night with an irregular pulse? Or were

you feeling just a rapid pulse? Its just amazes me. Also is the

feeling of Afib the same as aterial flutter? I am so new to all this

stuff.

Thanks!

Michele

[Guest guest]

Afib 24/7 is not that big a

deal.

How were you able to sleep at night with an irregular pulse? Or were

you feeling just a rapid pulse? Its just amazes me. Also is the

feeling of Afib the same as aterial flutter? I am so new to all this

stuff.

Thanks!

Michele

[Guest guest]

Afib 24/7 is not that big a

deal.

How were you able to sleep at night with an irregular pulse? Or were

you feeling just a rapid pulse? Its just amazes me. Also is the

feeling of Afib the same as aterial flutter? I am so new to all this

stuff.

Thanks!

Michele

[Guest guest]

Ed, I'm keeping my eye on the ablation option, which is why I asked the " Natale

success? " question. The testimonials are almost too good - yet they keep

coming. I'm still doing some searches for his published stuff, though, that's

the

ultimate test. That 95% on " clean up " seems incredibly high to me. Thanks for

the encouragement, and I'm glad things worked out well for you. Kathleen.

[Guest guest]

Ed, I'm keeping my eye on the ablation option, which is why I asked the " Natale

success? " question. The testimonials are almost too good - yet they keep

coming. I'm still doing some searches for his published stuff, though, that's

the

ultimate test. That 95% on " clean up " seems incredibly high to me. Thanks for

the encouragement, and I'm glad things worked out well for you. Kathleen.

[Guest guest]

Ed, I'm keeping my eye on the ablation option, which is why I asked the " Natale

success? " question. The testimonials are almost too good - yet they keep

coming. I'm still doing some searches for his published stuff, though, that's

the

ultimate test. That 95% on " clean up " seems incredibly high to me. Thanks for

the encouragement, and I'm glad things worked out well for you. Kathleen.

[Guest guest]

> my experience is that you

> can live a quite normal life with chronic/persistent afib. I did it

> for 6 months and quite frankly wondered why I would take any risks to

> get rid of it.

Not everyone's experience is the same. My life comes to a dead stop

when I'm in afib. Even walking across a room has me holding onto walls.

[Guest guest]

> my experience is that you

> can live a quite normal life with chronic/persistent afib. I did it

> for 6 months and quite frankly wondered why I would take any risks to

> get rid of it.

Not everyone's experience is the same. My life comes to a dead stop

when I'm in afib. Even walking across a room has me holding onto walls.

[Guest guest]

> my experience is that you

> can live a quite normal life with chronic/persistent afib. I did it

> for 6 months and quite frankly wondered why I would take any risks to

> get rid of it.

Not everyone's experience is the same. My life comes to a dead stop

when I'm in afib. Even walking across a room has me holding onto walls.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/28/04 9:11:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, trudyjh@...

writes:

> Not everyone's experience is the same. My life comes to a dead stop

> when I'm in afib. Even walking across a room has me holding onto walls.

me too. it sucks.

Toni

CA