Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I am having a difficult time explaining to my crews my views about using duct tape for spinal restriction. I not only think it is unprofessional but I don't think it provides adequate restriction to our patients. Does anyone have documentation supporting or discounting the use of tape as an immobilization tool? Matt Texas City EMS ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] Sent: Wed 11/23/2005 7:59 PM To: Subject: Digest Number 3000 There are 6 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Backboards - lets drop it 2. Re: Re: Backboards - lets drop it 3. Instructor Position Posting 4. EMS Instructor Position Posting 5. RE: Instructor Position Posting 6. Re: Backboards - lets drop it ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:47 -0000 Subject: Re: Backboards - lets drop it Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY regret that you find it necessary to ask me to leave the list because I state an opinion. Still, I stand by my position. If less time were spent gum flapping on inconsequential issues and more on education and important issues, we would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, sinking boat). If we could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard issue. This thread swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I have opinions, and just like you, I'll post them. At least you " respectfully disagreed " . You must be married, and she must have taught you something. Or else you still live with your mother. <background theme music up ~~~~~ I am woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw flames, the previous was tongue in cheek ] -- > > , > > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a discussion about EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen " inconsequential " ? Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If an ambulance loses 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the service to absorb. Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services face. If we can collectively determine a course of action that will reduce these losses everyone will benefit. > > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I encourage everyone in EMS to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is too much for someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their membership selection and read the posts at your leisure from the website. > > > Tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I am having a difficult time explaining to my crews my views about using duct tape for spinal restriction. I not only think it is unprofessional but I don't think it provides adequate restriction to our patients. Does anyone have documentation supporting or discounting the use of tape as an immobilization tool? Matt Texas City EMS ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] Sent: Wed 11/23/2005 7:59 PM To: Subject: Digest Number 3000 There are 6 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Backboards - lets drop it 2. Re: Re: Backboards - lets drop it 3. Instructor Position Posting 4. EMS Instructor Position Posting 5. RE: Instructor Position Posting 6. Re: Backboards - lets drop it ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:47 -0000 Subject: Re: Backboards - lets drop it Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY regret that you find it necessary to ask me to leave the list because I state an opinion. Still, I stand by my position. If less time were spent gum flapping on inconsequential issues and more on education and important issues, we would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, sinking boat). If we could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard issue. This thread swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I have opinions, and just like you, I'll post them. At least you " respectfully disagreed " . You must be married, and she must have taught you something. Or else you still live with your mother. <background theme music up ~~~~~ I am woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw flames, the previous was tongue in cheek ] -- > > , > > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a discussion about EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen " inconsequential " ? Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If an ambulance loses 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the service to absorb. Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services face. If we can collectively determine a course of action that will reduce these losses everyone will benefit. > > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I encourage everyone in EMS to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is too much for someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their membership selection and read the posts at your leisure from the website. > > > Tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I am having a difficult time explaining to my crews my views about using duct tape for spinal restriction. I not only think it is unprofessional but I don't think it provides adequate restriction to our patients. Does anyone have documentation supporting or discounting the use of tape as an immobilization tool? Matt Texas City EMS ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] Sent: Wed 11/23/2005 7:59 PM To: Subject: Digest Number 3000 There are 6 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Backboards - lets drop it 2. Re: Re: Backboards - lets drop it 3. Instructor Position Posting 4. EMS Instructor Position Posting 5. RE: Instructor Position Posting 6. Re: Backboards - lets drop it ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:47 -0000 Subject: Re: Backboards - lets drop it Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY regret that you find it necessary to ask me to leave the list because I state an opinion. Still, I stand by my position. If less time were spent gum flapping on inconsequential issues and more on education and important issues, we would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, sinking boat). If we could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard issue. This thread swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I have opinions, and just like you, I'll post them. At least you " respectfully disagreed " . You must be married, and she must have taught you something. Or else you still live with your mother. <background theme music up ~~~~~ I am woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw flames, the previous was tongue in cheek ] -- > > , > > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a discussion about EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen " inconsequential " ? Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If an ambulance loses 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the service to absorb. Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services face. If we can collectively determine a course of action that will reduce these losses everyone will benefit. > > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I encourage everyone in EMS to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is too much for someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their membership selection and read the posts at your leisure from the website. > > > Tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 A service I used to work for used it. Personally I do not think it is unprofessional, just another tool. You do have to set up some rules though. BTW, it amounts to the same thing as straps, spider straps and t-bands. To truly immobilize a pt seran wrap works best. I know it was used somewhere up north. There is a supplier out of Houston that makes a tape specifically for immobilization. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Assistant Director Emergency Medical Transport --- Matt wrote: > I am having a difficult time explaining to my crews > my views about using duct tape for spinal > restriction. I not only think it is unprofessional > but I don't think it provides adequate restriction > to our patients. Does anyone have documentation > supporting or discounting the use of tape as an > immobilization tool? > > Matt > Texas City EMS > > ________________________________ > > From: > [mailto: ] > Sent: Wed 11/23/2005 7:59 PM > To: > Subject: Digest Number 3000 > > > > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > 2. Re: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > 3. Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 4. EMS Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 5. RE: Instructor Position Posting > From: " " > > 6. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:47 -0000 > > Subject: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY > regret that you find it > necessary to ask me to leave the list because I > state an opinion. > Still, I stand by my position. If less time were > spent gum flapping on > inconsequential issues and more on education and > important issues, we > would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, > sinking boat). If we > could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard > issue. This thread > swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. > > Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I > have opinions, and > just like you, I'll post them. At least you > " respectfully disagreed " . > You must be married, and she must have taught you > something. Or else > you still live with your mother. <background theme > music up ~~~~~ I am > woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw > flames, the previous > was tongue in cheek ] > > -- > > > > > > , > > > > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a > discussion about > EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen > " inconsequential " ? > Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If > an ambulance loses > 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the > service to absorb. > Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services > face. If we can > collectively determine a course of action that will > reduce these losses > everyone will benefit. > > > > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I > encourage everyone in EMS > to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is > too much for > someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their > membership selection > and read the posts at your leisure from the website. > > > > > > Tater > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 A service I used to work for used it. Personally I do not think it is unprofessional, just another tool. You do have to set up some rules though. BTW, it amounts to the same thing as straps, spider straps and t-bands. To truly immobilize a pt seran wrap works best. I know it was used somewhere up north. There is a supplier out of Houston that makes a tape specifically for immobilization. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Assistant Director Emergency Medical Transport --- Matt wrote: > I am having a difficult time explaining to my crews > my views about using duct tape for spinal > restriction. I not only think it is unprofessional > but I don't think it provides adequate restriction > to our patients. Does anyone have documentation > supporting or discounting the use of tape as an > immobilization tool? > > Matt > Texas City EMS > > ________________________________ > > From: > [mailto: ] > Sent: Wed 11/23/2005 7:59 PM > To: > Subject: Digest Number 3000 > > > > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > 2. Re: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > 3. Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 4. EMS Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 5. RE: Instructor Position Posting > From: " " > > 6. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:47 -0000 > > Subject: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY > regret that you find it > necessary to ask me to leave the list because I > state an opinion. > Still, I stand by my position. If less time were > spent gum flapping on > inconsequential issues and more on education and > important issues, we > would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, > sinking boat). If we > could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard > issue. This thread > swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. > > Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I > have opinions, and > just like you, I'll post them. At least you > " respectfully disagreed " . > You must be married, and she must have taught you > something. Or else > you still live with your mother. <background theme > music up ~~~~~ I am > woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw > flames, the previous > was tongue in cheek ] > > -- > > > > > > , > > > > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a > discussion about > EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen > " inconsequential " ? > Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If > an ambulance loses > 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the > service to absorb. > Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services > face. If we can > collectively determine a course of action that will > reduce these losses > everyone will benefit. > > > > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I > encourage everyone in EMS > to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is > too much for > someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their > membership selection > and read the posts at your leisure from the website. > > > > > > Tater > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 I think duct tape is a useful tool to help in immobilization, but I'm afraid I don't have any documentation for it. Have you tried an experiment on your own to try and prove or disprove its adequacy? Have your co-workers immobilize you (or someone without an opinion on the matter) with duct tape, then with whatever straps you have available and judge it that way to see which is better. If you are worried about appearance, but still want to use it, there are different colors available if you want to make it look 'good' for the public. Crosby EMT-B Re: Backboards - lets drop it >> >> Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY >> regret that you find it >> necessary to ask me to leave the list because I >> state an opinion. >> Still, I stand by my position. If less time were >> spent gum flapping on >> inconsequential issues and more on education and >> important issues, we >> would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, >> sinking boat). If we >> could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard >> issue. This thread >> swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. >> >> Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I >> have opinions, and >> just like you, I'll post them. At least you >> " respectfully disagreed " . >> You must be married, and she must have taught you >> something. Or else >> you still live with your mother. <background theme >> music up ~~~~~ I am >> woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw >> flames, the previous >> was tongue in cheek ] >> >> -- >> >> >> > >> > , >> > >> > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a >> discussion about >> EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen >> " inconsequential " ? >> Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If >> an ambulance loses >> 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the >> service to absorb. >> Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services >> face. If we can >> collectively determine a course of action that will >> reduce these losses >> everyone will benefit. >> > >> > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I >> encourage everyone in EMS >> to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is >> too much for >> someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their >> membership selection >> and read the posts at your leisure from the website. >> > >> > >> > Tater >> >> >> >> >> > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 I am curious why it is unprofessional and what is used in its stead to be more professional? salvador capuchino wrote: A service I used to work for used it. Personally I do not think it is unprofessional, just another tool. You do have to set up some rules though. BTW, it amounts to the same thing as straps, spider straps and t-bands. To truly immobilize a pt seran wrap works best. I know it was used somewhere up north. There is a supplier out of Houston that makes a tape specifically for immobilization. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Assistant Director Emergency Medical Transport --- Matt wrote: > I am having a difficult time explaining to my crews > my views about using duct tape for spinal > restriction. I not only think it is unprofessional > but I don't think it provides adequate restriction > to our patients. Does anyone have documentation > supporting or discounting the use of tape as an > immobilization tool? > > Matt > Texas City EMS > > ________________________________ > > From: > [mailto: ] > Sent: Wed 11/23/2005 7:59 PM > To: > Subject: Digest Number 3000 > > > > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " simple_emt " > 2. Re: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " E. Tate " > 3. Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 4. EMS Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 5. RE: Instructor Position Posting > From: " " > > 6. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " simple_emt " > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:47 -0000 > From: " simple_emt " > Subject: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY > regret that you find it > necessary to ask me to leave the list because I > state an opinion. > Still, I stand by my position. If less time were > spent gum flapping on > inconsequential issues and more on education and > important issues, we > would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, > sinking boat). If we > could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard > issue. This thread > swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. > > Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I > have opinions, and > just like you, I'll post them. At least you > " respectfully disagreed " . > You must be married, and she must have taught you > something. Or else > you still live with your mother. > music up ~~~~~ I am > woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw > flames, the previous > was tongue in cheek ] > > -- > > > > > > , > > > > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a > discussion about > EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen > " inconsequential " ? > Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If > an ambulance loses > 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the > service to absorb. > Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services > face. If we can > collectively determine a course of action that will > reduce these losses > everyone will benefit. > > > > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I > encourage everyone in EMS > to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is > too much for > someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their > membership selection > and read the posts at your leisure from the website. > > > > > > Tater > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 I am curious why it is unprofessional and what is used in its stead to be more professional? salvador capuchino wrote: A service I used to work for used it. Personally I do not think it is unprofessional, just another tool. You do have to set up some rules though. BTW, it amounts to the same thing as straps, spider straps and t-bands. To truly immobilize a pt seran wrap works best. I know it was used somewhere up north. There is a supplier out of Houston that makes a tape specifically for immobilization. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Assistant Director Emergency Medical Transport --- Matt wrote: > I am having a difficult time explaining to my crews > my views about using duct tape for spinal > restriction. I not only think it is unprofessional > but I don't think it provides adequate restriction > to our patients. Does anyone have documentation > supporting or discounting the use of tape as an > immobilization tool? > > Matt > Texas City EMS > > ________________________________ > > From: > [mailto: ] > Sent: Wed 11/23/2005 7:59 PM > To: > Subject: Digest Number 3000 > > > > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " simple_emt " > 2. Re: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " E. Tate " > 3. Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 4. EMS Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 5. RE: Instructor Position Posting > From: " " > > 6. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " simple_emt " > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:47 -0000 > From: " simple_emt " > Subject: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY > regret that you find it > necessary to ask me to leave the list because I > state an opinion. > Still, I stand by my position. If less time were > spent gum flapping on > inconsequential issues and more on education and > important issues, we > would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, > sinking boat). If we > could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard > issue. This thread > swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. > > Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I > have opinions, and > just like you, I'll post them. At least you > " respectfully disagreed " . > You must be married, and she must have taught you > something. Or else > you still live with your mother. > music up ~~~~~ I am > woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw > flames, the previous > was tongue in cheek ] > > -- > > > > > > , > > > > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a > discussion about > EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen > " inconsequential " ? > Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If > an ambulance loses > 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the > service to absorb. > Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services > face. If we can > collectively determine a course of action that will > reduce these losses > everyone will benefit. > > > > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I > encourage everyone in EMS > to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is > too much for > someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their > membership selection > and read the posts at your leisure from the website. > > > > > > Tater > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 I am curious why it is unprofessional and what is used in its stead to be more professional? salvador capuchino wrote: A service I used to work for used it. Personally I do not think it is unprofessional, just another tool. You do have to set up some rules though. BTW, it amounts to the same thing as straps, spider straps and t-bands. To truly immobilize a pt seran wrap works best. I know it was used somewhere up north. There is a supplier out of Houston that makes a tape specifically for immobilization. Salvador Capuchino Jr EMT-Paramedic Assistant Director Emergency Medical Transport --- Matt wrote: > I am having a difficult time explaining to my crews > my views about using duct tape for spinal > restriction. I not only think it is unprofessional > but I don't think it provides adequate restriction > to our patients. Does anyone have documentation > supporting or discounting the use of tape as an > immobilization tool? > > Matt > Texas City EMS > > ________________________________ > > From: > [mailto: ] > Sent: Wed 11/23/2005 7:59 PM > To: > Subject: Digest Number 3000 > > > > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " simple_emt " > 2. Re: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " E. Tate " > 3. Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 4. EMS Instructor Position Posting > From: " ph Hamilton " > > 5. RE: Instructor Position Posting > From: " " > > 6. Re: Backboards - lets drop it > From: " simple_emt " > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:55:47 -0000 > From: " simple_emt " > Subject: Re: Backboards - lets drop it > > Wow. You TOTALLY missed my point, and I REALLY > regret that you find it > necessary to ask me to leave the list because I > state an opinion. > Still, I stand by my position. If less time were > spent gum flapping on > inconsequential issues and more on education and > important issues, we > would be better off (think deck chairs on a big, > sinking boat). If we > could kill the turf wars there would be no backboard > issue. This thread > swelled only after it became hospital vs. EMS. > > Guess you'll just have to get used to it, . I > have opinions, and > just like you, I'll post them. At least you > " respectfully disagreed " . > You must be married, and she must have taught you > something. Or else > you still live with your mother. > music up ~~~~~ I am > woman ~~~~~ fade to black ~~~~> [before you throw > flames, the previous > was tongue in cheek ] > > -- > > > > > > , > > > > I must respectfully disagree with you. How is a > discussion about > EMS equipment that is being lost and/or stolen > " inconsequential " ? > Backboards costs anywhere from $100 - $500 each. If > an ambulance loses > 1 per shift, that is an astronomical cost for the > service to absorb. > Lost equipment is a problem that all EMS Services > face. If we can > collectively determine a course of action that will > reduce these losses > everyone will benefit. > > > > Time and bandwidth are relative terms. I > encourage everyone in EMS > to join this list. If reading the " trivial BS " is > too much for > someone, maybe that person should reevaluate their > membership selection > and read the posts at your leisure from the website. > > > > > > Tater > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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