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In a message dated 8/4/04 12:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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> I get down when I'm in a-fib, but I feel terrific after I convert.

Kirk, I wrote a song called " I got Them A Fib Blues " . I want to find out from

Bobby how I can put it on the net or someplace people can hear it or burn it

to CD.

I a guitar player in a Blues/Rock band for fun.

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In a message dated 8/4/04 12:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sellmak@... writes:

> I get down when I'm in a-fib, but I feel terrific after I convert.

Kirk, I wrote a song called " I got Them A Fib Blues " . I want to find out from

Bobby how I can put it on the net or someplace people can hear it or burn it

to CD.

I a guitar player in a Blues/Rock band for fun.

Rich O

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In a message dated 8/4/04 12:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sellmak@... writes:

> I get down when I'm in a-fib, but I feel terrific after I convert.

Kirk, I wrote a song called " I got Them A Fib Blues " . I want to find out from

Bobby how I can put it on the net or someplace people can hear it or burn it

to CD.

I a guitar player in a Blues/Rock band for fun.

Rich O

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I get down when I'm in a-fib, but I feel terrific after I convert.

Since I'm in and out of a-fib just about every day, I don't worry

about when the next one will hit. I just enjoy my a-fib-free time.

It doesn't help that your doctors are telling you to just live with

it, but I've found that when I'm down, I can feel better if I give

myself a little peptalk. I sometimes have to do this a couple of

times a day, but it does help me.

If you're going into depression, you might want to talk to your

doctor to see what he recommends.

> I'm sure this is a commom complaint, but I need some

encouragement

> this morning!

>

> I had 10 blissful days of NSR and I thought maybe I was on a roll,

> when last night, I had a fib attack! Now I must admit, I ate a

large

> frozen yogurt with tons of fudge sauce on it, and chocolate is a

> trigger for me.....

>

> But after I went back into NSR after 10 hours of fib, I have a real

> battle with depression! Anyone else go through this? Is it common?

> Yes I take coumadin, and the 10 hours were passed mostly by me

> sleeping, but the constant worry that it will come back, is

something

> difficult to deal with.

>

> I've had this for 15 years but for most of that time it was very in-

> frequent, and suddenly this year it is happening 5-6 times a month,

> and then it goes away for months again. Very un-nerving!

>

> I just had an echocardiogram and there were no changes, so that was

> good, as I have an aortic valve leak, very small. I will see the

> cardio on friday, and not sure what to ask for or say? His attitude

> has been ,live with it! I have seen two cardios and one EP and they

> all basically say the same thing, I am not ready for an ablation,

so

> take the coumadin and live with it.

>

> Thanks for letting me vent my frustration, MandyofCA

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I get down when I'm in a-fib, but I feel terrific after I convert.

Since I'm in and out of a-fib just about every day, I don't worry

about when the next one will hit. I just enjoy my a-fib-free time.

It doesn't help that your doctors are telling you to just live with

it, but I've found that when I'm down, I can feel better if I give

myself a little peptalk. I sometimes have to do this a couple of

times a day, but it does help me.

If you're going into depression, you might want to talk to your

doctor to see what he recommends.

> I'm sure this is a commom complaint, but I need some

encouragement

> this morning!

>

> I had 10 blissful days of NSR and I thought maybe I was on a roll,

> when last night, I had a fib attack! Now I must admit, I ate a

large

> frozen yogurt with tons of fudge sauce on it, and chocolate is a

> trigger for me.....

>

> But after I went back into NSR after 10 hours of fib, I have a real

> battle with depression! Anyone else go through this? Is it common?

> Yes I take coumadin, and the 10 hours were passed mostly by me

> sleeping, but the constant worry that it will come back, is

something

> difficult to deal with.

>

> I've had this for 15 years but for most of that time it was very in-

> frequent, and suddenly this year it is happening 5-6 times a month,

> and then it goes away for months again. Very un-nerving!

>

> I just had an echocardiogram and there were no changes, so that was

> good, as I have an aortic valve leak, very small. I will see the

> cardio on friday, and not sure what to ask for or say? His attitude

> has been ,live with it! I have seen two cardios and one EP and they

> all basically say the same thing, I am not ready for an ablation,

so

> take the coumadin and live with it.

>

> Thanks for letting me vent my frustration, MandyofCA

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--- The depression usually lifts after a day or so in NSR, but the

anxiety of when the next one will come, sometimes gets to me.

It is hard to plan your life with that hanging over your head, but I

do manage to lead a very busy and full life in spite of it!

MandyofCA

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go through this? Is it common?

:::Raising hand::: I get really depressed when I think I am having a

couple of good days and then bam either my heart will skip beats all

day long or I will have a bout of Afib. It really stinks! I start

envying my family because they don't have to deal with this. I get

anxiety over it and live every day and moment in fear of it striking

again. SO know you are not alone.

Michele

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go through this? Is it common?

:::Raising hand::: I get really depressed when I think I am having a

couple of good days and then bam either my heart will skip beats all

day long or I will have a bout of Afib. It really stinks! I start

envying my family because they don't have to deal with this. I get

anxiety over it and live every day and moment in fear of it striking

again. SO know you are not alone.

Michele

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go through this? Is it common?

:::Raising hand::: I get really depressed when I think I am having a

couple of good days and then bam either my heart will skip beats all

day long or I will have a bout of Afib. It really stinks! I start

envying my family because they don't have to deal with this. I get

anxiety over it and live every day and moment in fear of it striking

again. SO know you are not alone.

Michele

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Same here, Mandy. I've always been a bit of an up-and-down person

mood wise, but having AFIB just makes the swings a lot worse. I had a

couple of good weeks, had a good attitude, felt like I had a 'plan' --

and then an episode of afib (or something or another - probably was

bigeminy PACs according to my EPs best guess) had me depressed. Got

my mood back up and then my ankles swelled up (EP was unconcerned and

it went away by lowering my Cardizem) which scared me a LOT. Now I

sit here in a middling mood wondering 'what next'??? And wondering

how horrible the next things will be...

I've read that doctors need to realize that " heart patients " often

struggle with anxiety and depression which can be as debilitating as

the actual heart diagnosis! I think the idea of " treating the WHOLE

patient " really applies here.

My GP has been sympathetic, my EP seems a bit out of the loop on

that. BUT, I so far trust my EP medically speaking, so that's okay.

If I get really stressed out or depressed, I might just talk to my GP

first...

Hope you can find someone in your medical corner to at least *hear*

your issues and have you feel heard. In the meantime, as you can now

tell, lots of us on the yahoo list have the same issues with

depression/anxiety/fear and the up-and-down rollercoaster.

Joscelyn

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Same here, Mandy. I've always been a bit of an up-and-down person

mood wise, but having AFIB just makes the swings a lot worse. I had a

couple of good weeks, had a good attitude, felt like I had a 'plan' --

and then an episode of afib (or something or another - probably was

bigeminy PACs according to my EPs best guess) had me depressed. Got

my mood back up and then my ankles swelled up (EP was unconcerned and

it went away by lowering my Cardizem) which scared me a LOT. Now I

sit here in a middling mood wondering 'what next'??? And wondering

how horrible the next things will be...

I've read that doctors need to realize that " heart patients " often

struggle with anxiety and depression which can be as debilitating as

the actual heart diagnosis! I think the idea of " treating the WHOLE

patient " really applies here.

My GP has been sympathetic, my EP seems a bit out of the loop on

that. BUT, I so far trust my EP medically speaking, so that's okay.

If I get really stressed out or depressed, I might just talk to my GP

first...

Hope you can find someone in your medical corner to at least *hear*

your issues and have you feel heard. In the meantime, as you can now

tell, lots of us on the yahoo list have the same issues with

depression/anxiety/fear and the up-and-down rollercoaster.

Joscelyn

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Same here, Mandy. I've always been a bit of an up-and-down person

mood wise, but having AFIB just makes the swings a lot worse. I had a

couple of good weeks, had a good attitude, felt like I had a 'plan' --

and then an episode of afib (or something or another - probably was

bigeminy PACs according to my EPs best guess) had me depressed. Got

my mood back up and then my ankles swelled up (EP was unconcerned and

it went away by lowering my Cardizem) which scared me a LOT. Now I

sit here in a middling mood wondering 'what next'??? And wondering

how horrible the next things will be...

I've read that doctors need to realize that " heart patients " often

struggle with anxiety and depression which can be as debilitating as

the actual heart diagnosis! I think the idea of " treating the WHOLE

patient " really applies here.

My GP has been sympathetic, my EP seems a bit out of the loop on

that. BUT, I so far trust my EP medically speaking, so that's okay.

If I get really stressed out or depressed, I might just talk to my GP

first...

Hope you can find someone in your medical corner to at least *hear*

your issues and have you feel heard. In the meantime, as you can now

tell, lots of us on the yahoo list have the same issues with

depression/anxiety/fear and the up-and-down rollercoaster.

Joscelyn

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Does it have an erratic beat?

> In a message dated 8/4/04 12:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> sellmak@o... writes:

>

> > I get down when I'm in a-fib, but I feel terrific after I convert.

>

> Kirk, I wrote a song called " I got Them A Fib Blues " . I want to

find out from

> Bobby how I can put it on the net or someplace people can hear it

or burn it

> to CD.

> I a guitar player in a Blues/Rock band for fun.

> Rich O

>

>

>

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Does it have an erratic beat?

> In a message dated 8/4/04 12:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> sellmak@o... writes:

>

> > I get down when I'm in a-fib, but I feel terrific after I convert.

>

> Kirk, I wrote a song called " I got Them A Fib Blues " . I want to

find out from

> Bobby how I can put it on the net or someplace people can hear it

or burn it

> to CD.

> I a guitar player in a Blues/Rock band for fun.

> Rich O

>

>

>

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Does it have an erratic beat?

> In a message dated 8/4/04 12:01:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> sellmak@o... writes:

>

> > I get down when I'm in a-fib, but I feel terrific after I convert.

>

> Kirk, I wrote a song called " I got Them A Fib Blues " . I want to

find out from

> Bobby how I can put it on the net or someplace people can hear it

or burn it

> to CD.

> I a guitar player in a Blues/Rock band for fun.

> Rich O

>

>

>

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I'm sure a recording of my a-fib heartbeats could take the place of

the drums.

> > Does it have an erratic beat?

> **************

> That was funny, Kirk!

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I'm sure a recording of my a-fib heartbeats could take the place of

the drums.

> > Does it have an erratic beat?

> **************

> That was funny, Kirk!

>

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In a message dated 8/4/2004 11:25:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

joscelynblack@... writes:

> Got

> my mood back up and then my ankles swelled up (EP was unconcerned and

> it went away by lowering my Cardizem) which scared me a LOT. Now I

> sit here in a middling mood wondering 'what next'??? And wondering

> how horrible the next things will be...

>

>

Joscelyn,

I understand how you feel, but I think it's all a matter of perspective. My

ankles have been swelling ever since I started Verapamil, but as in the case

of afib, I figure it won't kill me and I could have much worse problems. Also,

the depression situation is just the opposite for me. Whenever I have had

an afib episode that lasted more than a few hours, I would feel depressed at

times while in afib. Whenever I have converted to sinus, the depression has

vanished and I become ecstatic, singing " I Got Rhythm! " :-) I try to forget the

future and enjoy the moment. That attitude works for me, and it may be

helping to keep me out of afib. According to my cardiologist, hope and optimism

are

very good for the heart, and pessimism has the opposite effect. So when I

start wondering how long my present freedom from afib will last and thinking

that I might wind up in permanent afib because it's in my genes, I try to put

those thoughts out of my mind and focus on how great it is to be in sinus.

Sometimes I take my pulse and just revel in the wonderful predictability of

those

beats. I actually feel jubilant the day after an afib episode because I look

on my return to sinus as proof that it's hard for my heart to stay in afib and

that, therefore, it's unlikely that I will wind up in permanent afib as my

older brother has done. I will treasure and savor all the sinus moments I can

hoard because I figure that their cumulative effect is prevention of remodeling

of the heart and, therefore, prevention of permanent afib, if there is any

truth in that old saying: afib begets afib. When you're in sinus, you are not

begetting afib, and that in itself is positive, in my opinion. So try to enjoy

every moment of sinus you can. Live for the moment!

Best wishes,

in sinus in Seattle

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In a message dated 8/4/2004 11:25:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

joscelynblack@... writes:

> Got

> my mood back up and then my ankles swelled up (EP was unconcerned and

> it went away by lowering my Cardizem) which scared me a LOT. Now I

> sit here in a middling mood wondering 'what next'??? And wondering

> how horrible the next things will be...

>

>

Joscelyn,

I understand how you feel, but I think it's all a matter of perspective. My

ankles have been swelling ever since I started Verapamil, but as in the case

of afib, I figure it won't kill me and I could have much worse problems. Also,

the depression situation is just the opposite for me. Whenever I have had

an afib episode that lasted more than a few hours, I would feel depressed at

times while in afib. Whenever I have converted to sinus, the depression has

vanished and I become ecstatic, singing " I Got Rhythm! " :-) I try to forget the

future and enjoy the moment. That attitude works for me, and it may be

helping to keep me out of afib. According to my cardiologist, hope and optimism

are

very good for the heart, and pessimism has the opposite effect. So when I

start wondering how long my present freedom from afib will last and thinking

that I might wind up in permanent afib because it's in my genes, I try to put

those thoughts out of my mind and focus on how great it is to be in sinus.

Sometimes I take my pulse and just revel in the wonderful predictability of

those

beats. I actually feel jubilant the day after an afib episode because I look

on my return to sinus as proof that it's hard for my heart to stay in afib and

that, therefore, it's unlikely that I will wind up in permanent afib as my

older brother has done. I will treasure and savor all the sinus moments I can

hoard because I figure that their cumulative effect is prevention of remodeling

of the heart and, therefore, prevention of permanent afib, if there is any

truth in that old saying: afib begets afib. When you're in sinus, you are not

begetting afib, and that in itself is positive, in my opinion. So try to enjoy

every moment of sinus you can. Live for the moment!

Best wishes,

in sinus in Seattle

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In a message dated 8/4/2004 11:25:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

joscelynblack@... writes:

> Got

> my mood back up and then my ankles swelled up (EP was unconcerned and

> it went away by lowering my Cardizem) which scared me a LOT. Now I

> sit here in a middling mood wondering 'what next'??? And wondering

> how horrible the next things will be...

>

>

Joscelyn,

I understand how you feel, but I think it's all a matter of perspective. My

ankles have been swelling ever since I started Verapamil, but as in the case

of afib, I figure it won't kill me and I could have much worse problems. Also,

the depression situation is just the opposite for me. Whenever I have had

an afib episode that lasted more than a few hours, I would feel depressed at

times while in afib. Whenever I have converted to sinus, the depression has

vanished and I become ecstatic, singing " I Got Rhythm! " :-) I try to forget the

future and enjoy the moment. That attitude works for me, and it may be

helping to keep me out of afib. According to my cardiologist, hope and optimism

are

very good for the heart, and pessimism has the opposite effect. So when I

start wondering how long my present freedom from afib will last and thinking

that I might wind up in permanent afib because it's in my genes, I try to put

those thoughts out of my mind and focus on how great it is to be in sinus.

Sometimes I take my pulse and just revel in the wonderful predictability of

those

beats. I actually feel jubilant the day after an afib episode because I look

on my return to sinus as proof that it's hard for my heart to stay in afib and

that, therefore, it's unlikely that I will wind up in permanent afib as my

older brother has done. I will treasure and savor all the sinus moments I can

hoard because I figure that their cumulative effect is prevention of remodeling

of the heart and, therefore, prevention of permanent afib, if there is any

truth in that old saying: afib begets afib. When you're in sinus, you are not

begetting afib, and that in itself is positive, in my opinion. So try to enjoy

every moment of sinus you can. Live for the moment!

Best wishes,

in sinus in Seattle

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> I'm sure this is a commom complaint, but I need some

encouragement

> this morning!

>

> I had 10 blissful days of NSR and I thought maybe I was on a roll,

> when last night, I had a fib attack! Now I must admit, I ate a

large

> frozen yogurt with tons of fudge sauce on it, and chocolate is a

> trigger for me.....

>

Mandy,

My guess is it was the frozen yogurt, as cold stuff is a notorious

trigger.

I also get depressed about afib, but it helps me to avoid triggers.

Every time my hand reaches for ice cream, etc. I remember the anxiety

I'll feel if afib starts.

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> I'm sure this is a commom complaint, but I need some

encouragement

> this morning!

>

> I had 10 blissful days of NSR and I thought maybe I was on a roll,

> when last night, I had a fib attack! Now I must admit, I ate a

large

> frozen yogurt with tons of fudge sauce on it, and chocolate is a

> trigger for me.....

>

Mandy,

My guess is it was the frozen yogurt, as cold stuff is a notorious

trigger.

I also get depressed about afib, but it helps me to avoid triggers.

Every time my hand reaches for ice cream, etc. I remember the anxiety

I'll feel if afib starts.

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> I'm sure this is a commom complaint, but I need some

encouragement

> this morning!

>

> I had 10 blissful days of NSR and I thought maybe I was on a roll,

> when last night, I had a fib attack! Now I must admit, I ate a

large

> frozen yogurt with tons of fudge sauce on it, and chocolate is a

> trigger for me.....

>

Mandy,

My guess is it was the frozen yogurt, as cold stuff is a notorious

trigger.

I also get depressed about afib, but it helps me to avoid triggers.

Every time my hand reaches for ice cream, etc. I remember the anxiety

I'll feel if afib starts.

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