Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03-Jan-06 09:40:55 Central Standard Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03-Jan-06 09:40:55 Central Standard Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03-Jan-06 09:40:55 Central Standard Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

you make very good points all around in this post!

I have for the longest time struggled with the fact that some of the things

we call heroic in this business are really just examples of stupidity and some

are truly heroic, the gray area in this regard in HUGE and it's not for me

or you or anyone to cast aspersions at anyone for actions of inactions yet at

the same time we must learn as much as we can from Line Of Duty Deaths and

Injuries (in my view at times the bigger issue?).

Doing so in a way that serves the needs of the profession and yet respects

the rights of the individual Provider to make such decisions of his or her own

volition is the trick that I have no answers to.

Again good posting!

LNM

In a message dated 1/3/2006 11:36:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,

.Crosby@... writes:

Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to make

such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

from the wrong side of the grass. If we die in the line of duty, we get

a few lines in the newspapers and flowers at the funeral and then what?

How many EMS services have a life insurance benefit (or can afford their

own coverage) that would pay off a home, cars, funeral expenses, etc?

So Rob, before you call me 'gutless' you should know that I am a veteran

of the 101st Airborne during the Gulf War in '91. I've been shot at,

took my chances and done my duty. I do not write this to build myself

up, but to make a point. At that time I was 21 with no wife or kid to

depend on me. Now I do, so forgive me I take a moment to be sure I

leave a scene standing up and not laying down. If you want to rush

ahead and be a bullet stopper, go ahead. Just remember that your making

more work for somebody else.

Crosby

EMT-B

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[Guest guest]

you make very good points all around in this post!

I have for the longest time struggled with the fact that some of the things

we call heroic in this business are really just examples of stupidity and some

are truly heroic, the gray area in this regard in HUGE and it's not for me

or you or anyone to cast aspersions at anyone for actions of inactions yet at

the same time we must learn as much as we can from Line Of Duty Deaths and

Injuries (in my view at times the bigger issue?).

Doing so in a way that serves the needs of the profession and yet respects

the rights of the individual Provider to make such decisions of his or her own

volition is the trick that I have no answers to.

Again good posting!

LNM

In a message dated 1/3/2006 11:36:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,

.Crosby@... writes:

Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to make

such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

from the wrong side of the grass. If we die in the line of duty, we get

a few lines in the newspapers and flowers at the funeral and then what?

How many EMS services have a life insurance benefit (or can afford their

own coverage) that would pay off a home, cars, funeral expenses, etc?

So Rob, before you call me 'gutless' you should know that I am a veteran

of the 101st Airborne during the Gulf War in '91. I've been shot at,

took my chances and done my duty. I do not write this to build myself

up, but to make a point. At that time I was 21 with no wife or kid to

depend on me. Now I do, so forgive me I take a moment to be sure I

leave a scene standing up and not laying down. If you want to rush

ahead and be a bullet stopper, go ahead. Just remember that your making

more work for somebody else.

Crosby

EMT-B

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Fire Protection Consultant/Training Program Manager

Fire and Safety Specialists, Inc. _(www.fireandsafetyspecialists.com_

(http://www.fireandsafetyspecialsits.com/) )

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(FSS Fax)

(Home Number)

FSS Address:

540 Graham Road,

College Station, Texas 77845

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I

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03-Jan-06 12:36:07 Central Standard Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

krin135@a... wrote:

>

> and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

More personal attacks. Very nice, Doc.

Rob

my apologies, I miss read your argument.

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

[Guest guest]

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

[Guest guest]

Really? I was not a member of the list back then, but did

members of this list ridicule our brothers and sisters at the Towers on

9/11?

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

[Guest guest]

Really? I was not a member of the list back then, but did

members of this list ridicule our brothers and sisters at the Towers on

9/11?

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to make

such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

from the wrong side of the grass. If we die in the line of duty, we get

a few lines in the newspapers and flowers at the funeral and then what?

How many EMS services have a life insurance benefit (or can afford their

own coverage) that would pay off a home, cars, funeral expenses, etc?

So Rob, before you call me 'gutless' you should know that I am a veteran

of the 101st Airborne during the Gulf War in '91. I've been shot at,

took my chances and done my duty. I do not write this to build myself

up, but to make a point. At that time I was 21 with no wife or kid to

depend on me. Now I do, so forgive me I take a moment to be sure I

leave a scene standing up and not laying down. If you want to rush

ahead and be a bullet stopper, go ahead. Just remember that your making

more work for somebody else.

Crosby

EMT-B

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of krin135@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:55 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic,

Knighted

In a message dated 03-Jan-06 09:40:55 Central Standard Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to make

such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

from the wrong side of the grass. If we die in the line of duty, we get

a few lines in the newspapers and flowers at the funeral and then what?

How many EMS services have a life insurance benefit (or can afford their

own coverage) that would pay off a home, cars, funeral expenses, etc?

So Rob, before you call me 'gutless' you should know that I am a veteran

of the 101st Airborne during the Gulf War in '91. I've been shot at,

took my chances and done my duty. I do not write this to build myself

up, but to make a point. At that time I was 21 with no wife or kid to

depend on me. Now I do, so forgive me I take a moment to be sure I

leave a scene standing up and not laying down. If you want to rush

ahead and be a bullet stopper, go ahead. Just remember that your making

more work for somebody else.

Crosby

EMT-B

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of krin135@...

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:55 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic,

Knighted

In a message dated 03-Jan-06 09:40:55 Central Standard Time,

rsdrn@... writes:

Larry <larn572001@y...> wrote:

>

> A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster,

> who " braved appalling conditions " to attend to the victims of the

> bombing at King's Cross and Square, was awarded the MBE

> (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an off-duty tube

> driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

> were similarily awarded.

Good thing they are in the UK. Here they would only be ridiculed by

their gutless colleagues for disregarding " scene safety. "

Rob

and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

ck

S. Krin, DO FAAFP

[Guest guest]

krin135@a... wrote:

>

> and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

More personal attacks. Very nice, Doc.

Rob

[Guest guest]

krin135@a... wrote:

>

> and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

More personal attacks. Very nice, Doc.

Rob

[Guest guest]

krin135@a... wrote:

>

> and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

More personal attacks. Very nice, Doc.

Rob

[Guest guest]

And how many personal attacks have you made this week? You say

you want to make a stand against those who you say are trying to bully

you because you disagree with them, fine, stand up and disagree. I'll

back up your right to disagree any time. But don't you think that when

you resort to personal attacks yourself that you are being just a bit

hypocritical?

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

krin135@a... wrote:

>

> and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

More personal attacks. Very nice, Doc.

Rob

[Guest guest]

And how many personal attacks have you made this week? You say

you want to make a stand against those who you say are trying to bully

you because you disagree with them, fine, stand up and disagree. I'll

back up your right to disagree any time. But don't you think that when

you resort to personal attacks yourself that you are being just a bit

hypocritical?

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

krin135@a... wrote:

>

> and I think, Sir, that you defame many of your colleagues!

More personal attacks. Very nice, Doc.

Rob

[Guest guest]

" Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote:

>

> Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to

make

> such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

> done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

> from the wrong side of the grass.

,

If the statement did not apply to you, then why would you feel

insulted? Guilty conscience? Or just a need to whine?

Rob

[Guest guest]

" Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote:

>

> Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to

make

> such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

> done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

> from the wrong side of the grass.

,

If the statement did not apply to you, then why would you feel

insulted? Guilty conscience? Or just a need to whine?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Actually, I was board.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

" Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote:

>

> Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to

make

> such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

> done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

> from the wrong side of the grass.

,

If the statement did not apply to you, then why would you feel

insulted? Guilty conscience? Or just a need to whine?

Rob

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Actually, I was board.

Crosby

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Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

" Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote:

>

> Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to

make

> such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

> done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

> from the wrong side of the grass.

,

If the statement did not apply to you, then why would you feel

insulted? Guilty conscience? Or just a need to whine?

Rob

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" Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote:

>

> Actually, I was board.

Apparently not bored enough to back up your baseless accusation. Five

minutes of research would show you I have not made ANY personal

attacks on anybody in the last week. Therefore, I find your

accusation to be a personal attack.

And nice spelling, by the way.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Really, the insult comes from my caring about scene safety and

not wanting our fellow medics to die. If a person gives up their life

for another that is a sacrifice to be respected and honored, but in the

end, their family looses that means of support. However, Having a medic

rush a scene and getting killed by some whacko who wants to kill

somebody serves nothing. Society isn't served, and their family looses

a means of support. It's not guilt that makes me need to speak out on

this to you, it's because I disagree with you calling people who care

about scene safety 'gutless'. I disagree with you as you disagree with

others on this list, and I'm not going to back down just because you

want to make personal attacks against me.

Sound familiar?

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

" Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote:

>

> Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to

make

> such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

> done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

> from the wrong side of the grass.

,

If the statement did not apply to you, then why would you feel

insulted? Guilty conscience? Or just a need to whine?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Really, the insult comes from my caring about scene safety and

not wanting our fellow medics to die. If a person gives up their life

for another that is a sacrifice to be respected and honored, but in the

end, their family looses that means of support. However, Having a medic

rush a scene and getting killed by some whacko who wants to kill

somebody serves nothing. Society isn't served, and their family looses

a means of support. It's not guilt that makes me need to speak out on

this to you, it's because I disagree with you calling people who care

about scene safety 'gutless'. I disagree with you as you disagree with

others on this list, and I'm not going to back down just because you

want to make personal attacks against me.

Sound familiar?

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: Kilminster, London Paramedic, Knighted

" Crosby, E " <.Crosby@s...> wrote:

>

> Just my opinion, but I feel more insulted that he felt the need to

make

> such a juvenile comment. Personally, I would do whatever needs to be

> done to save a life, but at the same time, I cannot support my family

> from the wrong side of the grass.

,

If the statement did not apply to you, then why would you feel

insulted? Guilty conscience? Or just a need to whine?

Rob

[Guest guest]

Very Interesting.

Larry wrote:

While I don't halfway understand orders, knighthood, or some of the other

heraldry that goes with the British Empire, I do recognize a heroic job, well

done, in dangerous circumstances.

A London Ambulance Service paramedic, Kilminster, who " braved appalling

conditions " to attend to the victims of the bombing at King's Cross and

Square, was awarded the MBE (Member of the British Empire). Others, including an

off-duty tube driver, who heard the blast AND STILL WENT DOWN into the Tube,

were similarily awarded.

There is an unofficial motto used by some in EMS and SAR - " This we do, that

others may live " . These people, emergency services personnel and citizens, were

great examples of the " everyday heros " that step up into the chaos and make me

proud to be a medic.

Salute to the 7/7 heroes By MATT BORN and GRAEME WILSON, Daily Mail 08:22am 31st

December 2005

The heroism and skill of those who faced the horrific aftermath of the London

bombings has been recognised in the New Years Honours.

Boyle, a 48-year-old Tube driver who helped rescue injured passengers, is

awarded the MBE. There are also awards for those who continued to care for the

injured as they battled for life following the suicide bomb attacks on July 7

which left 52 dead on three Tube trains and a bus. The honours list contains the

usual crop of showbusiness personalities - including Tom and Bruce Forsyth

- plus the England cricketers, who receive awards to mark their Ashes triumph

over Australia. There is also recognition for Lord Coe and the team which

secured the 2012 Olympics for London. But all this is overshadowed by the awards

to those who have been described as performing 'miracles' amid the carnage of

July 7. 'I was just doing my job' Yesterday, father-of-three Mr Boyle, from

South Ockendon, Essex, said he 'couldn't believe' the news that he - together

with more than a dozen transport workers and emergency service staff - had been

made MBEs. " I

was just doing my job, " he said. He was off duty but in uniform when he was

passing Aldgate tube station on the fateful morning. " I heard a loud bang and

immediately I knew it was a bomb, " he recalled. " I went into the station

supervisor's office and took an orange high-visibility vest from a young lady

working there. " She was in tears and very upset. I got her to call the emergency

services and get the track current turned off and then I headed down into the

tunnel. I saw bodies lying on the track. It was like a scene from a war film. "

Mr Boyle succeeded in leading the walking wounded away from the train and into

the station. " I was worried another device would go off. I think I managed to

clear virtually the entire train of about 500 people. " He then returned to the

train to reassure those who could not be moved that help was on its way. " It was

when I got to hospital and saw some of the injured people who I had helped that

it really hit me and I burst into

tears. " Among the other recipients are Boyce, the station supervisor at

Square Tube station, who " despite the danger ran into the tunnel and

provided first aid " , and Constable Deborah -Fenwick, of British Transport

Police, who tended the injured at the scene of the Tavistock Place bus blast.

Performed 'miracles' Kilminster, a London Ambulance Service paramedic

who braved appalling conditions to attend the bombed train between King's Cross

and Square, also gets an MBE. Others who are said to have performed

'miracles' amid the carnage of July 7 include:

Hendy, (CBE) managing director Surface Transport, Transport for London,

" who provided inspirational leadership to London's bus workers " .

Dent (CBE), chief executive South West London Strategic Health Authority,

who " led the team that coordinated the NHS's response " .

Roy Bishop (OBE), Deputy Commissioner, London Fire and Emergency Planning

Authority, who was " responsible for the response from the brigade's 112 fire

stations " .

Major Muriel McClenahan, (OBE) of the Salvation Army, who " co-ordinated

provision of support from faith and voluntary sectors " .

Dallas Ariotti (MBE), Director of Organisational Transformation, Guy's and St

's hospitals, who " instigated the mass casualty plan and set up the

command centre " .

Alan Dell, (MBE) network liaison manager, London Buses, who " led the London

Buses response " .

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