Re: Re: sewing a patch on?

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In a message dated 12/16/2005 4:07:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,

paramedicop@... writes:

I was always taught that Class A was a dress uniform, always long sleeve,

and that Class B was a " work uniform " . I know many services use them

interchangeably -

maybe someone from the military could enlighten us?

While I am the last to enlighten anyone I was taught the same thing but add

the jacket etc. It's much like the ranks in fire and EMS.

In land you often find SGT as a FD rank and you rarely find that say in

NY or NJ but then again what do you call a Lt. in the Houston FD?

The answer is Junior Captain!

LNM

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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In a message dated 12/16/2005 4:07:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,

paramedicop@... writes:

I was always taught that Class A was a dress uniform, always long sleeve,

and that Class B was a " work uniform " . I know many services use them

interchangeably -

maybe someone from the military could enlighten us?

While I am the last to enlighten anyone I was taught the same thing but add

the jacket etc. It's much like the ranks in fire and EMS.

In land you often find SGT as a FD rank and you rarely find that say in

NY or NJ but then again what do you call a Lt. in the Houston FD?

The answer is Junior Captain!

LNM

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

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In a message dated 16-Dec-05 17:06:43 Central Standard Time,

alambert@... writes:

In the military:

Dress blues or dress whites: Dress uniform with Jacket, long sleeve

shirt and tie, medals and assorted captain crunch type stuff.

often worn without a service hat....with medals instead of ribbons. think

Tuxedo

Mess uniform (yes that is what it is called) formal dining dress uniform

similar to dress blues or dress whites.

usually worn without a service hat, miniature medals

Think White Tie and Tails

Class A, Jacket with long sleeve shirt and tie

With assorted ribbons but usually not medals. Normally worn with either

service or garrison cap.

think Business Formal

Class B, long or short sleeve shirt with or without tie, usually without

in the Army, Long sleeved Army Green shirts are always worn with a tie.

Ribbons optional, usually worn with the garrison cap.

The short sleeved version is equivalent to business casual.

Class C, BDU's

basic turnouts

Add Class D Special Purpose uniforms:

Cooks and Baker's Whites, Medical Assistant and Nursing Whites, Flight and

Armor Crew Nomex.

[Guest guest]

sewing a patch on?

'cuse me but that's not really required

lots of EMS services wear golf shirts, polo shirts,t-shirts etc with NO patch

(it's common practice in many areas of the state) and have their name, service

name

and cert/lic level embroibred,silk-screened,etc on the shirt,etc so you're not

" required " to sew the patch on. in an extreme example the other way i saw a

transfer service EMT (with one of the best transfer services in the area

actually), wearing a " tactical EMT " patch on his uniform. maybe he's a tactical

EMT with another job but he's certainly not a tactical EMT with the transfer

service !!!! it was the 2nd worse case of yahooism (no offense to yahoo!,inc)

what was the worse case? i'm glad you asked me that. you didn't ask... well im

gonna tell you anyway because it's one of my favorites,,, back in 95 or 96 i saw

a vol. FF pull up to a scene with a whole set of c-collars hangin' from his gun

rack of his POV.

jim davis

paramedic

wrote: Say on Kim!!!!

Crosby

EMT-B

(I'll be damned, it even says Emergency Medical Technician on my patch too.

It's upside down, but it's really there... Gosh....)

Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for possible

> Medicare fraud

>

>

> " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> >

> > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > Rob.

>

> What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> get the hostility thing?

>

> > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > EMTs.

>

> As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

>

> > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > are they an EMS?

>

> Yep.

>

> > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

>

> Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> Probably. EMS? Nope.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sewing a patch on?

'cuse me but that's not really required

lots of EMS services wear golf shirts, polo shirts,t-shirts etc with NO patch

(it's common practice in many areas of the state) and have their name, service

name

and cert/lic level embroibred,silk-screened,etc on the shirt,etc so you're not

" required " to sew the patch on. in an extreme example the other way i saw a

transfer service EMT (with one of the best transfer services in the area

actually), wearing a " tactical EMT " patch on his uniform. maybe he's a tactical

EMT with another job but he's certainly not a tactical EMT with the transfer

service !!!! it was the 2nd worse case of yahooism (no offense to yahoo!,inc)

what was the worse case? i'm glad you asked me that. you didn't ask... well im

gonna tell you anyway because it's one of my favorites,,, back in 95 or 96 i saw

a vol. FF pull up to a scene with a whole set of c-collars hangin' from his gun

rack of his POV.

jim davis

paramedic

wrote: Say on Kim!!!!

Crosby

EMT-B

(I'll be damned, it even says Emergency Medical Technician on my patch too.

It's upside down, but it's really there... Gosh....)

Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for possible

> Medicare fraud

>

>

> " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> >

> > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > Rob.

>

> What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> get the hostility thing?

>

> > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > EMTs.

>

> As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

>

> > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > are they an EMS?

>

> Yep.

>

> > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

>

> Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> Probably. EMS? Nope.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Our service uses Class A shirts in the field, so the patches are sewn on to

designate certification level and service affiliation. I'll agree, there's been

some pretty sharp looking polo shirts out there that are embroidered ...

another EMS uses them exclusively. Now the local municipal Fire/EMS also uses

Class A shirts with both the certification patch and the service patch as well.

I'm not stating that the patches themselves were required, but was just pointing

out the fact that the letters " EMT " are on the patch itself with my last posted

response to dustdevil31. Sorry 'bout the confusion.

Kim

Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for possible

> Medicare fraud

>

>

> " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> >

> > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > Rob.

>

> What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> get the hostility thing?

>

> > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > EMTs.

>

> As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

>

> > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > are they an EMS?

>

> Yep.

>

> > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

>

> Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> Probably. EMS? Nope.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Our service uses Class A shirts in the field, so the patches are sewn on to

designate certification level and service affiliation. I'll agree, there's been

some pretty sharp looking polo shirts out there that are embroidered ...

another EMS uses them exclusively. Now the local municipal Fire/EMS also uses

Class A shirts with both the certification patch and the service patch as well.

I'm not stating that the patches themselves were required, but was just pointing

out the fact that the letters " EMT " are on the patch itself with my last posted

response to dustdevil31. Sorry 'bout the confusion.

Kim

Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for possible

> Medicare fraud

>

>

> " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> >

> > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > Rob.

>

> What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> get the hostility thing?

>

> > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > EMTs.

>

> As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

>

> > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > are they an EMS?

>

> Yep.

>

> > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

>

> Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> Probably. EMS? Nope.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think you mean Class B. Class A are dress uniforms.

Mike

> Our service uses Class A shirts in the field, so the patches are sewn on to

designate certification level and service affiliation. I'll agree, there's been

some pretty sharp looking polo shirts out there that are embroidered ...

another EMS uses them exclusively. Now the local municipal Fire/EMS also uses

Class A shirts with both the certification patch and the service patch as well.

I'm not stating that the patches themselves were required, but was just pointing

out the fact that the letters " EMT " are on the patch itself with my last posted

response to dustdevil31. Sorry 'bout the confusion.

>

>

> Kim

>

> Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for possible

> > Medicare fraud

> >

> >

> > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > > Rob.

> >

> > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> > get the hostility thing?

> >

> > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > > EMTs.

> >

> > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> >

> > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > > are they an EMS?

> >

> > Yep.

> >

> > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

> >

> > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think you mean Class B. Class A are dress uniforms.

Mike

> Our service uses Class A shirts in the field, so the patches are sewn on to

designate certification level and service affiliation. I'll agree, there's been

some pretty sharp looking polo shirts out there that are embroidered ...

another EMS uses them exclusively. Now the local municipal Fire/EMS also uses

Class A shirts with both the certification patch and the service patch as well.

I'm not stating that the patches themselves were required, but was just pointing

out the fact that the letters " EMT " are on the patch itself with my last posted

response to dustdevil31. Sorry 'bout the confusion.

>

>

> Kim

>

> Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for possible

> > Medicare fraud

> >

> >

> > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > > Rob.

> >

> > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> > get the hostility thing?

> >

> > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > > EMTs.

> >

> > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> >

> > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > > are they an EMS?

> >

> > Yep.

> >

> > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

> >

> > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I know a Galls catalog is by far not a definitive source, but I was referring to

the button-down shirts with the shoulder epaulets, pockets, and

roasts-you-in-the-summer fabric. In the Galls catalog, these shirts are listed

under the " Uniforms & Apparel - Class A " pages. If I'm incorrect, please let me

know --- I don't want to be misinformed (bad enough I can't figure out much

difference between colors and such as it is {grin}).

As far as the patches Mike, I do stand corrected and thank you. The LP patch

does not have EMT on it, while the others do. Appreciate it.

Kim

Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for possible

> > Medicare fraud

> >

> >

> > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > > Rob.

> >

> > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> > get the hostility thing?

> >

> > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > > EMTs.

> >

> > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> >

> > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > > are they an EMS?

> >

> > Yep.

> >

> > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

> >

> > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I know a Galls catalog is by far not a definitive source, but I was referring to

the button-down shirts with the shoulder epaulets, pockets, and

roasts-you-in-the-summer fabric. In the Galls catalog, these shirts are listed

under the " Uniforms & Apparel - Class A " pages. If I'm incorrect, please let me

know --- I don't want to be misinformed (bad enough I can't figure out much

difference between colors and such as it is {grin}).

As far as the patches Mike, I do stand corrected and thank you. The LP patch

does not have EMT on it, while the others do. Appreciate it.

Kim

Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for possible

> > Medicare fraud

> >

> >

> > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > > Rob.

> >

> > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> > get the hostility thing?

> >

> > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > > EMTs.

> >

> > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> >

> > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > > are they an EMS?

> >

> > Yep.

> >

> > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

> >

> > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No problem. And maybe I'm off on the uniforms - I was always taught

that Class A was a dress uniform, always long sleeve, and that Class B

was a " work uniform " . I know many services use them interchangably -

maybe someone from the military could enlighten us?

Mike

> I know a Galls catalog is by far not a definitive source, but I was referring

to the button-down shirts with the shoulder epaulets, pockets, and

roasts-you-in-the-summer fabric. In the Galls catalog, these shirts are listed

under the " Uniforms & Apparel - Class A " pages. If I'm incorrect, please let me

know --- I don't want to be misinformed (bad enough I can't figure out much

difference between colors and such as it is {grin}).

>

> As far as the patches Mike, I do stand corrected and thank you. The LP patch

does not have EMT on it, while the others do. Appreciate it.

>

> Kim

>

> Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for

possible

> > > Medicare fraud

> > >

> > >

> > > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > > > Rob.

> > >

> > > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> > > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> > > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> > > get the hostility thing?

> > >

> > > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > > > EMTs.

> > >

> > > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> > > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> > >

> > > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > > > are they an EMS?

> > >

> > > Yep.

> > >

> > > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

> > >

> > > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> > > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

No problem. And maybe I'm off on the uniforms - I was always taught

that Class A was a dress uniform, always long sleeve, and that Class B

was a " work uniform " . I know many services use them interchangably -

maybe someone from the military could enlighten us?

Mike

> I know a Galls catalog is by far not a definitive source, but I was referring

to the button-down shirts with the shoulder epaulets, pockets, and

roasts-you-in-the-summer fabric. In the Galls catalog, these shirts are listed

under the " Uniforms & Apparel - Class A " pages. If I'm incorrect, please let me

know --- I don't want to be misinformed (bad enough I can't figure out much

difference between colors and such as it is {grin}).

>

> As far as the patches Mike, I do stand corrected and thank you. The LP patch

does not have EMT on it, while the others do. Appreciate it.

>

> Kim

>

> Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for

possible

> > > Medicare fraud

> > >

> > >

> > > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > > > Rob.

> > >

> > > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> > > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> > > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> > > get the hostility thing?

> > >

> > > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > > > EMTs.

> > >

> > > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> > > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> > >

> > > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > > > are they an EMS?

> > >

> > > Yep.

> > >

> > > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

> > >

> > > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> > > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

No problem. And maybe I'm off on the uniforms - I was always taught

that Class A was a dress uniform, always long sleeve, and that Class B

was a " work uniform " . I know many services use them interchangably -

maybe someone from the military could enlighten us?

Mike

> I know a Galls catalog is by far not a definitive source, but I was referring

to the button-down shirts with the shoulder epaulets, pockets, and

roasts-you-in-the-summer fabric. In the Galls catalog, these shirts are listed

under the " Uniforms & Apparel - Class A " pages. If I'm incorrect, please let me

know --- I don't want to be misinformed (bad enough I can't figure out much

difference between colors and such as it is {grin}).

>

> As far as the patches Mike, I do stand corrected and thank you. The LP patch

does not have EMT on it, while the others do. Appreciate it.

>

> Kim

>

> Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms for

possible

> > > Medicare fraud

> > >

> > >

> > > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer services

> > > > Rob.

> > >

> > > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services. None at

> > > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I didn't

> > > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do you

> > > get the hostility thing?

> > >

> > > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of the the

> > > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside, we're all

> > > > EMTs.

> > >

> > > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread, it

> > > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> > >

> > > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in a rural

> > > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to the ER,

> > > > are they an EMS?

> > >

> > > Yep.

> > >

> > > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of those calls

> > > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not also

> > > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH " community " ?

> > >

> > > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes. Professional?

> > > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In the military:

Dress blues or dress whites: Dress uniform with Jacket, long sleeve

shirt and tie, medals and assorted captain crunch type stuff.

Mess uniform (yes that is what it is called) formal dining dress uniform

similar to dress blues or dress whites.

Class A, Jacket with long sleeve shirt and tie

Class B, long or short sleeve shirt with or without tie, usually without

Class C, BDU's

AJL

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Mike

Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:07 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: sewing a patch on?

No problem. And maybe I'm off on the uniforms - I was always taught

that Class A was a dress uniform, always long sleeve, and that Class B

was a " work uniform " . I know many services use them interchangably -

maybe someone from the military could enlighten us?

Mike

> I know a Galls catalog is by far not a definitive source, but I was

referring to the button-down shirts with the shoulder epaulets, pockets,

and roasts-you-in-the-summer fabric. In the Galls catalog, these shirts

are listed under the " Uniforms & Apparel - Class A " pages. If I'm

incorrect, please let me know --- I don't want to be misinformed (bad

enough I can't figure out much difference between colors and such as it

is {grin}).

>

> As far as the patches Mike, I do stand corrected and thank you. The

LP patch does not have EMT on it, while the others do. Appreciate it.

>

> Kim

>

> Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms

for possible

> > > Medicare fraud

> > >

> > >

> > > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer

services

> > > > Rob.

> > >

> > > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services.

None at

> > > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I

didn't

> > > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do

you

> > > get the hostility thing?

> > >

> > > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of

the the

> > > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside,

we're all

> > > > EMTs.

> > >

> > > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread,

it

> > > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> > >

> > > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in

a rural

> > > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to

the ER,

> > > > are they an EMS?

> > >

> > > Yep.

> > >

> > > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of

those calls

> > > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not

also

> > > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH

" community " ?

> > >

> > > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes.

Professional?

> > > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In the military:

Dress blues or dress whites: Dress uniform with Jacket, long sleeve

shirt and tie, medals and assorted captain crunch type stuff.

Mess uniform (yes that is what it is called) formal dining dress uniform

similar to dress blues or dress whites.

Class A, Jacket with long sleeve shirt and tie

Class B, long or short sleeve shirt with or without tie, usually without

Class C, BDU's

AJL

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Mike

Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:07 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: sewing a patch on?

No problem. And maybe I'm off on the uniforms - I was always taught

that Class A was a dress uniform, always long sleeve, and that Class B

was a " work uniform " . I know many services use them interchangably -

maybe someone from the military could enlighten us?

Mike

> I know a Galls catalog is by far not a definitive source, but I was

referring to the button-down shirts with the shoulder epaulets, pockets,

and roasts-you-in-the-summer fabric. In the Galls catalog, these shirts

are listed under the " Uniforms & Apparel - Class A " pages. If I'm

incorrect, please let me know --- I don't want to be misinformed (bad

enough I can't figure out much difference between colors and such as it

is {grin}).

>

> As far as the patches Mike, I do stand corrected and thank you. The

LP patch does not have EMT on it, while the others do. Appreciate it.

>

> Kim

>

> Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms

for possible

> > > Medicare fraud

> > >

> > >

> > > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer

services

> > > > Rob.

> > >

> > > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services.

None at

> > > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I

didn't

> > > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do

you

> > > get the hostility thing?

> > >

> > > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of

the the

> > > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside,

we're all

> > > > EMTs.

> > >

> > > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread,

it

> > > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> > >

> > > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in

a rural

> > > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to

the ER,

> > > > are they an EMS?

> > >

> > > Yep.

> > >

> > > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of

those calls

> > > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not

also

> > > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH

" community " ?

> > >

> > > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes.

Professional?

> > > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In the military:

Dress blues or dress whites: Dress uniform with Jacket, long sleeve

shirt and tie, medals and assorted captain crunch type stuff.

Mess uniform (yes that is what it is called) formal dining dress uniform

similar to dress blues or dress whites.

Class A, Jacket with long sleeve shirt and tie

Class B, long or short sleeve shirt with or without tie, usually without

Class C, BDU's

AJL

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Mike

Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:07 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: sewing a patch on?

No problem. And maybe I'm off on the uniforms - I was always taught

that Class A was a dress uniform, always long sleeve, and that Class B

was a " work uniform " . I know many services use them interchangably -

maybe someone from the military could enlighten us?

Mike

> I know a Galls catalog is by far not a definitive source, but I was

referring to the button-down shirts with the shoulder epaulets, pockets,

and roasts-you-in-the-summer fabric. In the Galls catalog, these shirts

are listed under the " Uniforms & Apparel - Class A " pages. If I'm

incorrect, please let me know --- I don't want to be misinformed (bad

enough I can't figure out much difference between colors and such as it

is {grin}).

>

> As far as the patches Mike, I do stand corrected and thank you. The

LP patch does not have EMT on it, while the others do. Appreciate it.

>

> Kim

>

> Re: IRS looks into 2 ambulance firms

for possible

> > > Medicare fraud

> > >

> > >

> > > " Kim " <kim@w...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand all this hostility towards transfer

services

> > > > Rob.

> > >

> > > What hostility? I have no hostility for transfer services.

None at

> > > all. I just said they aren't Emergency Medical Services. I

didn't

> > > say that they suck or were doing the work of Satan. Where do

you

> > > get the hostility thing?

> > >

> > > > We're all playing on the same field here... remove all of

the the

> > > > afflilations and types of service, and down deep inside,

we're all

> > > > EMTs.

> > >

> > > As Mike so eloquently put it here in an earlier thread,

it

> > > doesn't say EMT anywhere on my patch.

> > >

> > > > Now I offer a question for you: If a volunteer service in

a rural

> > > > town runs two calls a day and transports the patients to

the ER,

> > > > are they an EMS?

> > >

> > > Yep.

> > >

> > > > If a transfer service runs ten calls a day, and two of

those calls

> > > > are nursing home patients who are in bad shape and require

> > > > immediate treatment and transport to the ER, are we not

also

> > > > performing emergency medical duties for this small NH

" community " ?

> > >

> > > Yep. But you still aren't EMS anymore than the bystander who

> > > renders aid at an accident scene. Valuable? Yes.

Professional?

> > > Probably. EMS? Nope.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 18-Dec-05 10:35:21 Central Standard Time,

medic7772004@... writes:

After 1800 hours (or after dark - post retreat being sounded) the

servicemember is not required to wear a head covering. The class A or B uniform

shirts

are not to have a standrd black tie either. It is customary to wear a dress -

bow tie.

1SG/USA

and we used to be able to wear the Class A Greens with a plain ruffled shirt

and a black bow tie In Lieu Of the Service Blues for such things as Dining

In and Dining Out...or weddings.

ck

[Guest guest]

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After 1800 hours (or after dark - post retreat being sounded) the

servicemember is not required to wear a head covering. The class A or B uniform

shirts are not to have a standrd black tie either. It is customary to wear a

dress - bow tie.

1SG/USA

This message created by: W.

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[Guest guest]

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After 1800 hours (or after dark - post retreat being sounded) the

servicemember is not required to wear a head covering. The class A or B uniform

shirts are not to have a standrd black tie either. It is customary to wear a

dress - bow tie.

1SG/USA

This message created by: W.

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