Slept Well

[Guest guest]

I had a good night's sleep. Woke up twice but fell back asleep right away.

During the night I had some shin splints and minor little pains, but this morning am very weak with some tightness in the head but not too bad.

Weakness is the problem today. I can have some tea with milk, toast and butter as long as I only have it once every four days, so today is the day I have my toast. According to the nurse at the doctor's office yesterday, we can have different breads, every day, as long as it isn't the same bread.

We can eat anything we aren't allergic to.

Have my appointment today with RD. Am not looking forward to it but have to know what's going on.

Bev

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Hi Bev! Geoff Crenshaw here.

I'm glad you slept better. Beware the 1 good 3 bad type sleep patterns -

remember, sleep warm as you can stand it, drinks LOTS of water, and if

you encounter indigestion, gas, etc., consider aloe vera gel caps.

Also...

Slept Well

Weakness is the problem today. I can have some tea with milk, toast and

butter as long as I only have it once every four days, so today is the

day I have my toast. According to the nurse at the doctor's office

yesterday, we can have different breads, every day, as long as it isn't

the same bread. We can eat anything we aren't allergic to.

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You mean this nurse says you can have (wheat) toast, (wheat) rolls,

(wheat) tortillas, (wheat) oat bran muffins and (wheat) cereal etc.,

every day? And the Doc says you can eat (dairy) milk and (dairy) butter,

and you can drink(stimulant) tea too?

That's incredulous!

I remember going to the health food store and finding 4-5 different

grains -- all non-wheat, corn, soy or derivatives. It was quite

challenging as wheat masquerades under many names. I ended up making

amaranth flat breads, using quinoa, etc.

This is completely opposite of any elimination / rotation / challenge

diet I have ever heard of. It would appear to virtually eliminate the

rotation in 'rotation' diet, and the elimination in 'elimination' diet,

and the challenge in 'challenge' diet.

The ingestion of multiple forms of the same ingredient multiple times

during the rotation stops the diet from being a rotating diet at all.

Including so many things which effect a significant percentage of

rheumatics such as dairy / wheat / teas (not herbal teas) is quite

confusing as many of these things are well-documented as causing flares

in a vast number of rheumatics.

I'm afraid you've (well, your Doctor & nurse, actually) have completely

lost me. I don't understand this at all. The only thing I've seen

allowed w/out restriction on such diets has been water.

Regards, -----------------------

Geoff ** Usual Disclaimers **

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Yes, Geoff, she did say we could have rye bread one day, whole wheat the next, etc. but when we checked labels we noticed wheat in both. It is a challenge. I think we will have to eliminate the bread altogether or make the flat bread too. Now that would be a challenge. It is difficult when there was no set rule except change food every four days and stay away from anything you were allergic to. Then a friend told us we could eat the same meat two days in a row as this diet doesn't include meat. It doesn't sound right to me.

How long did you stay on the rotation diet, Geoff and what did you find out from it?

Thanks so much for the reply.

Appreciate it. :>)

Bev

You mean this nurse says you can have (wheat) toast, (wheat) rolls,

(wheat) tortillas, (wheat) oat bran muffins and (wheat) cereal etc.,

every day? And the Doc says you can eat (dairy) milk and (dairy) butter,

and you can drink(stimulant) tea too?

That's incredulous!

I remember going to the health food store and finding 4-5 different

grains -- all non-wheat, corn, soy or derivatives. It was quite

challenging as wheat masquerades under many names. I ended up making

amaranth flat breads, using quinoa, etc.

This is completely opposite of any elimination / rotation / challenge

diet I have ever heard of. It would appear to virtually eliminate the

rotation in 'rotation' diet, and the elimination in 'elimination' diet,

and the challenge in 'challenge' diet.

The ingestion of multiple forms of the same ingredient multiple times

during the rotation stops the diet from being a rotating diet at all.

Including so many things which effect a significant percentage of

rheumatics such as dairy / wheat / teas (not herbal teas) is quite

confusing as many of these things are well-documented as causing flares

in a vast number of rheumatics.

I'm afraid you've (well, your Doctor & nurse, actually) have completely

lost me. I don't understand this at all. The only thing I've seen

allowed w/out restriction on such diets has been water.

Regards, -----------------------

Geoff

[Guest guest]

Bev wrote:

> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:18:42 EDT

> From: Bryarwoode@...

> Subject: Re: Re: Slept Well

>

> Yes, Geoff, she did say we could have rye bread one day, whole wheat

the

> next, etc. but when we checked labels we noticed wheat in both. It

is a

> challenge. I think we will have to eliminate the bread altogether or

> make the flat bread too. Now that would be a challenge.

Bev,

Wheat is indeed in most of them, but a really important thing to

remember here is YEAST. YEAST " should " be on the elimination list. And

YEAST is in all commercial risen breads. You can make salt-risen breads

by substituting salt as the leaven, but you need the gluten from wheat

to make things work really well for risen breads.

The answer - flat breads - is UNchallenging. I mean we are talking

really simple here!

Just grab some flour, mix in some water and kneed until you get a doughy

consistency. Grab a chunk, splat it down, flatten it out and cook it on

he range in a pann or through it in the oven and bake it.

If wanted, use whatever oil you have on tap for that meal, but it's not

necessary. Basically, that's all there is to it - whether you call it

tortilla or something else.

Cook it a lot and it's crispy... cook it a little and it's flexible...

mess with kneeding in a little oil, etc.

> anything you were allergic to. Then a friend told us we could eat

> the same meat two days in a row as this diet doesn't include meat.

> It doesn't sound right to me.

It's not. The idea behind this sort of eating discipline is not to " lose

weight " it is to develop an understanding of problem foods and their

effects while changing your life-style eating habits to a more healthy

position. If you chose to eat meat you can... but what meat is another

issue. For instance, beef, dairy & beef by-products should be on the

" not for 30 days " list, pork too actually. Well, that opens up:

fish (and there are at least a HUNDRED different types of that and

each is only ONE, so there are 100 meat-meals at one pop;)

lamb (hi Newzie!)

chicken

duck

venison

You get the idea... think outside the box. Here is the great downfall:

your food bill WILL GO UP. But hopefully, so will your health.

> How long did you stay on the rotation diet, Geoff and what did you

find

> out from it?

I followed it actively for a couple of years and it was instrumental in

putting me into remission.

Circumstances of life, i.e., bride bedridden for 7 months of our (OK -

her) third pregnancy w/ 2 young children and 2-3 months after birth with

a newborn; a clock that never gets more than 24 hours when I needed at

least 36; building a home, etc., all conspired to give me a mental

excuse to go off of it concentrating instead on trying to avoid some of

the worst offending foods.

That slammed me.

Regards, -----------------------

Geoff ** Usual Disclaimers **

-----------------------

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Get under the blood of the Passover Lamb.

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Hi Everyone, I just wanted to tell aout one of the breads from the health food store called spelling will be wrong but is Ezickel brea any way there is no flour in it, it is from 12 grains and it tastes great and doesn't seem to bother me like the others. Just thought you might want to try it. I hope and wsh you all a painfree life and Ihope all the newer ones stick with this AP as I really feel that this treatmnt can make the same difference in your lives as it has in mine. love and understanding from Ohio

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Geoff, I'm sending this to the rheumatic site because it was returned from yur address.

Bev

Geoff,

Thanks for all this information. Just one thing, when you say, grab some flour, do you mean you have to buy special flour, or use white flour.

Wouldn't that be made from wheat?

Also when you slipped off the diet, did it affect your health. You were going having terrible stress I'm sure, which isn't good either.

Bev

Bev

[Guest guest]

Any brand of sprouted grain bread ( there are many brands)should be fine for people with wheat allergys. I am allergic to wheat and have no problems with sprouted grain breads like ezekeil. Keep it frozen, natural breads go bad in 2 days.

Re: rheumatic Re: Slept Well

Hi Everyone, I just wanted to tell aout one of the breads from the health food store called spelling will be wrong but is Ezickel brea any way there is no flour in it, it is from 12 grains and it tastes great and doesn't seem to bother me like the others. Just thought you might want to try it. I hope and wsh you all a painfree life and Ihope all the newer ones stick with this AP as I really feel that this treatmnt can make the same difference in your lives as it has in mine. love and understanding from Ohio To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here.

A lot of people do really well with the Ezekial bread, but...

If you're trying to eliminate things to get a feel for what is ailing

you in foods, wheat is only one of the suspects in breads. The other,

perhaps more insidious one is YEAST. That's (one of many reasons) why

the recommendation for flat breads, because so many females AND males

have yeast problems and some don't even know it.

After going through the hassles of eliminating stuff, then you can test

them one at a time. But if you use yeast-risen bread, you still have the

yeast to cope with.

After completing the elimination / rotation / challenge routine, many

people find like you that they can use Ezekial bread just fine.

Unfortunately for some, the yeast must be addressed before they can

enjoy the benefits of such wonderful breads.

HTH

Regards, -----------------------

Geoff ** Usual Disclaimers **

-----------------------

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Get under the blood of the Passover Lamb.

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Re: rheumatic Re: Slept Well

Hi Everyone, I just wanted to tell aout one of the breads from the

health

food store called spelling will be wrong but is Ezickel brea any way

there is

no flour in it, it is from 12 grains and it tastes great and doesn't

seem to

bother me like the others. Just thought you might want to try it. I

hope and

wsh you all a painfree life and Ihope all the newer ones stick with

this AP

as I really feel that this treatmnt can make the same difference in

your

lives as it has in mine. love and understanding from Ohio