Re: Starting the diet - 4.0:1 or 3.5:1 ratio - comments please ????

[Guest guest]

There isn't that much difference between 4:1 and 3.5:1. Both are low in

carbohydrates and lacking in nutrition. It will be a big adjustment

either way.

You will be fine tuning the ratio, calories, etc. for some time.

Bill

(father of ) wrote:

> We are starting the diet shortly with little dietician help. The

> dietician we are using certainly has no experience of the diet and

> we were wondering if you could advise us on the following:

>

> Our son will be starting the diet gradually (i.e. not with an

> initial fast) and we want to know whether we could accelerate to a

> 3.5:1 ratio first, before going to 4.0:1 if we really have to.

>

> The reason for the question is that a 4.0:1 ratio will be

> restrictive to his carb intake and we are worried about him

> rejecting the food. He is not overweight at all and is tall for his

> age.

>

> Seeing all this discussion about Atkins at the moment - what are the

> pros and cons please of going to 3.5:1 as a first step ??

>

> Kind Regards

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[Guest guest]

There isn't that much difference between 4:1 and 3.5:1. Both are low in

carbohydrates and lacking in nutrition. It will be a big adjustment

either way.

You will be fine tuning the ratio, calories, etc. for some time.

Bill

(father of ) wrote:

> We are starting the diet shortly with little dietician help. The

> dietician we are using certainly has no experience of the diet and

> we were wondering if you could advise us on the following:

>

> Our son will be starting the diet gradually (i.e. not with an

> initial fast) and we want to know whether we could accelerate to a

> 3.5:1 ratio first, before going to 4.0:1 if we really have to.

>

> The reason for the question is that a 4.0:1 ratio will be

> restrictive to his carb intake and we are worried about him

> rejecting the food. He is not overweight at all and is tall for his

> age.

>

> Seeing all this discussion about Atkins at the moment - what are the

> pros and cons please of going to 3.5:1 as a first step ??

>

> Kind Regards

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a professional

keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There isn't that much difference between 4:1 and 3.5:1. Both are low in

carbohydrates and lacking in nutrition. It will be a big adjustment

either way.

You will be fine tuning the ratio, calories, etc. for some time.

Bill

(father of ) wrote:

> We are starting the diet shortly with little dietician help. The

> dietician we are using certainly has no experience of the diet and

> we were wondering if you could advise us on the following:

>

> Our son will be starting the diet gradually (i.e. not with an

> initial fast) and we want to know whether we could accelerate to a

> 3.5:1 ratio first, before going to 4.0:1 if we really have to.

>

> The reason for the question is that a 4.0:1 ratio will be

> restrictive to his carb intake and we are worried about him

> rejecting the food. He is not overweight at all and is tall for his

> age.

>

> Seeing all this discussion about Atkins at the moment - what are the

> pros and cons please of going to 3.5:1 as a first step ??

>

> Kind Regards

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a professional

keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I would definitely go up the ratios slowly, why go higher than you have

to? Some kids start at 4:1 and actually have to work their way backwards

a little. Jess started without a fast, we started at 2:1 for a week or

so, then 2.5:1 for a week, then 3:1. Ketones will still not that high

and neuro wanted to bump her up to 3.5:1. I added flax instead and

ketones rose on their own.

Although over the years we have moved her up from there, she has never

been higher than 3.5:1, never needed to be. But if we had started at 4:1

we never would have known.

And there definitely is a difference from the kid's point of view from

4:1 to 3.5:1

, 's mom

" (father of ) " wrote:

> We are starting the diet shortly with little dietician help. The

> dietician we are using certainly has no experience of the diet and

> we were wondering if you could advise us on the following:

>

> Our son will be starting the diet gradually (i.e. not with an

> initial fast) and we want to know whether we could accelerate to a

> 3.5:1 ratio first, before going to 4.0:1 if we really have to.

>

> The reason for the question is that a 4.0:1 ratio will be

> restrictive to his carb intake and we are worried about him

> rejecting the food. He is not overweight at all and is tall for his

> age.

>

> Seeing all this discussion about Atkins at the moment - what are the

> pros and cons please of going to 3.5:1 as a first step ??

>

> Kind Regards

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would definitely go up the ratios slowly, why go higher than you have

to? Some kids start at 4:1 and actually have to work their way backwards

a little. Jess started without a fast, we started at 2:1 for a week or

so, then 2.5:1 for a week, then 3:1. Ketones will still not that high

and neuro wanted to bump her up to 3.5:1. I added flax instead and

ketones rose on their own.

Although over the years we have moved her up from there, she has never

been higher than 3.5:1, never needed to be. But if we had started at 4:1

we never would have known.

And there definitely is a difference from the kid's point of view from

4:1 to 3.5:1

, 's mom

" (father of ) " wrote:

> We are starting the diet shortly with little dietician help. The

> dietician we are using certainly has no experience of the diet and

> we were wondering if you could advise us on the following:

>

> Our son will be starting the diet gradually (i.e. not with an

> initial fast) and we want to know whether we could accelerate to a

> 3.5:1 ratio first, before going to 4.0:1 if we really have to.

>

> The reason for the question is that a 4.0:1 ratio will be

> restrictive to his carb intake and we are worried about him

> rejecting the food. He is not overweight at all and is tall for his

> age.

>

> Seeing all this discussion about Atkins at the moment - what are the

> pros and cons please of going to 3.5:1 as a first step ??

>

> Kind Regards

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would definitely go up the ratios slowly, why go higher than you have

to? Some kids start at 4:1 and actually have to work their way backwards

a little. Jess started without a fast, we started at 2:1 for a week or

so, then 2.5:1 for a week, then 3:1. Ketones will still not that high

and neuro wanted to bump her up to 3.5:1. I added flax instead and

ketones rose on their own.

Although over the years we have moved her up from there, she has never

been higher than 3.5:1, never needed to be. But if we had started at 4:1

we never would have known.

And there definitely is a difference from the kid's point of view from

4:1 to 3.5:1

, 's mom

" (father of ) " wrote:

> We are starting the diet shortly with little dietician help. The

> dietician we are using certainly has no experience of the diet and

> we were wondering if you could advise us on the following:

>

> Our son will be starting the diet gradually (i.e. not with an

> initial fast) and we want to know whether we could accelerate to a

> 3.5:1 ratio first, before going to 4.0:1 if we really have to.

>

> The reason for the question is that a 4.0:1 ratio will be

> restrictive to his carb intake and we are worried about him

> rejecting the food. He is not overweight at all and is tall for his

> age.

>

> Seeing all this discussion about Atkins at the moment - what are the

> pros and cons please of going to 3.5:1 as a first step ??

>

> Kind Regards

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My 2 cents would be to start with at least as low as a 3.5. If

you polled the majority of the parents here, most would probably tell

you that their kids have done better at lower ratios. Of course, it

will probably be trial and error. As said, if you start

high, you may always be afraid to try and see how he does on a lower

ratio. Some kids make ketones much easier than others, too. Instead

of starting high and working down, I almost think it would be best to

start low and work up, going only as high as you need to.

I hope you'll have good luck!

Glenna

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My 2 cents would be to start with at least as low as a 3.5. If

you polled the majority of the parents here, most would probably tell

you that their kids have done better at lower ratios. Of course, it

will probably be trial and error. As said, if you start

high, you may always be afraid to try and see how he does on a lower

ratio. Some kids make ketones much easier than others, too. Instead

of starting high and working down, I almost think it would be best to

start low and work up, going only as high as you need to.

I hope you'll have good luck!

Glenna

[Guest guest]

we started at 4 to 1, and it was too high. We ended up dropping down the ratio

over time, till we got to 1.71 where we are now, and slowly weaning to Atkins.