Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 In a message dated 12/13/2005 2:01:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, paramedic1@... writes: Completing a course doesn't have to result in a certification (I took a photography course once, but I'm not now a Certified Photographer), so I was just curious. And just what is the value of " certification " I know plenty of certified EMT's that I'd not want treating a dog let alone a human. Certification is not a guarantee of competency. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 In a message dated 12/13/2005 2:01:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, paramedic1@... writes: Completing a course doesn't have to result in a certification (I took a photography course once, but I'm not now a Certified Photographer), so I was just curious. And just what is the value of " certification " I know plenty of certified EMT's that I'd not want treating a dog let alone a human. Certification is not a guarantee of competency. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 In a message dated 12/13/2005 2:01:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, paramedic1@... writes: Completing a course doesn't have to result in a certification (I took a photography course once, but I'm not now a Certified Photographer), so I was just curious. And just what is the value of " certification " I know plenty of certified EMT's that I'd not want treating a dog let alone a human. Certification is not a guarantee of competency. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 You're defending the course abmirably, but I didn't attack it. In fact, I stated I don't doubt the value. My question, which you answered, was whether there was a certification involved. Completing a course doesn't have to result in a certification (I took a photography course once, but I'm not now a Certified Photographer), so I was just curious. " If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program... " I NEVER said that. There's no need to be defensive about this. The course sounds like it can stand on it's own. =Steve = Thom Seeber wrote: >Steve, > >What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals >with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The >course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a >paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the >ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. > >By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the > " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up >across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education >(College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the >student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those > " home-grown " programs. > >This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the >standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although >there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the >course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card >are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is >a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be >completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a >requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there >considers this a " real " certification. > >As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think >of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous >agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is >that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are > " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone >certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to >be a valid certification by those agencies. > >If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. >Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel >compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. > >-Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P > > Re: Re: CCEMT-P? > >I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the >Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of >certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a >wallet card, wallpaper, etc? > >=Steve= > >mpmedics wrote: > > > >>After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >>Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >>educational as this one. The education I received during this >>course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >>exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >>name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >>name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >>initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >>suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >>EMS training program you will ever take. >> >>Matt >>Director of EMS >>Texas City EMS >>Texas City, Texas >> >> Of course, CCEMTP stands for >>> >>> >>> >>> >>the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport >> >> >> >> >>>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >>> >>> >>> >>> >>using the >> >> >> >> >>>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>>certification or licensure level. >>> >>>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >>> >>> >>> >>> >>absolutely >> >> >> >> >>>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>After >> >> >> >> >>>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>CCEMTP >> >> >> >> >>>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>course does >> >> >> >> >>>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >>> >>> >>> >>> >>would be >> >> >> >> >>>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>After all, >> >> >> >> >>>it's just another merit badge. >>> >>>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >>> >>> >>> >>> >>credentials >> >> >> >> >>>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >>> >>> >>> >>> >>organization? Or is >> >> >> >> >>>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>those silly >> >> >> >> >>>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >>> >>> >>> >>> >>personal >> >> >> >> >>>status above others? >>> >>>Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 You're defending the course abmirably, but I didn't attack it. In fact, I stated I don't doubt the value. My question, which you answered, was whether there was a certification involved. Completing a course doesn't have to result in a certification (I took a photography course once, but I'm not now a Certified Photographer), so I was just curious. " If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program... " I NEVER said that. There's no need to be defensive about this. The course sounds like it can stand on it's own. =Steve = Thom Seeber wrote: >Steve, > >What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals >with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The >course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a >paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the >ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. > >By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the > " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up >across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education >(College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the >student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those > " home-grown " programs. > >This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the >standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although >there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the >course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card >are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is >a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be >completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a >requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there >considers this a " real " certification. > >As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think >of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous >agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is >that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are > " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone >certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to >be a valid certification by those agencies. > >If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. >Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel >compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. > >-Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P > > Re: Re: CCEMT-P? > >I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the >Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of >certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a >wallet card, wallpaper, etc? > >=Steve= > >mpmedics wrote: > > > >>After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >>Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >>educational as this one. The education I received during this >>course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >>exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >>name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >>name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >>initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >>suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >>EMS training program you will ever take. >> >>Matt >>Director of EMS >>Texas City EMS >>Texas City, Texas >> >> Of course, CCEMTP stands for >>> >>> >>> >>> >>the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport >> >> >> >> >>>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >>> >>> >>> >>> >>using the >> >> >> >> >>>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>>certification or licensure level. >>> >>>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >>> >>> >>> >>> >>absolutely >> >> >> >> >>>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>After >> >> >> >> >>>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>CCEMTP >> >> >> >> >>>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>course does >> >> >> >> >>>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >>> >>> >>> >>> >>would be >> >> >> >> >>>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>After all, >> >> >> >> >>>it's just another merit badge. >>> >>>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >>> >>> >>> >>> >>credentials >> >> >> >> >>>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >>> >>> >>> >>> >>organization? Or is >> >> >> >> >>>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>those silly >> >> >> >> >>>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >>> >>> >>> >>> >>personal >> >> >> >> >>>status above others? >>> >>>Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 You're defending the course abmirably, but I didn't attack it. In fact, I stated I don't doubt the value. My question, which you answered, was whether there was a certification involved. Completing a course doesn't have to result in a certification (I took a photography course once, but I'm not now a Certified Photographer), so I was just curious. " If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program... " I NEVER said that. There's no need to be defensive about this. The course sounds like it can stand on it's own. =Steve = Thom Seeber wrote: >Steve, > >What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals >with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The >course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a >paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the >ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. > >By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the > " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up >across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education >(College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the >student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those > " home-grown " programs. > >This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the >standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although >there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the >course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card >are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is >a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be >completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a >requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there >considers this a " real " certification. > >As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think >of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous >agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is >that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are > " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone >certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to >be a valid certification by those agencies. > >If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. >Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel >compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. > >-Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P > > Re: Re: CCEMT-P? > >I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the >Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of >certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a >wallet card, wallpaper, etc? > >=Steve= > >mpmedics wrote: > > > >>After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >>Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >>educational as this one. The education I received during this >>course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >>exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >>name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >>name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >>initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >>suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >>EMS training program you will ever take. >> >>Matt >>Director of EMS >>Texas City EMS >>Texas City, Texas >> >> Of course, CCEMTP stands for >>> >>> >>> >>> >>the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport >> >> >> >> >>>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >>> >>> >>> >>> >>using the >> >> >> >> >>>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>>certification or licensure level. >>> >>>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >>> >>> >>> >>> >>absolutely >> >> >> >> >>>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>After >> >> >> >> >>>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>CCEMTP >> >> >> >> >>>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>course does >> >> >> >> >>>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >>> >>> >>> >>> >>would be >> >> >> >> >>>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>After all, >> >> >> >> >>>it's just another merit badge. >>> >>>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >>> >>> >>> >>> >>credentials >> >> >> >> >>>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >>> >>> >>> >>> >>organization? Or is >> >> >> >> >>>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >>> >>> >>> >>> >>those silly >> >> >> >> >>>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >>> >>> >>> >>> >>personal >> >> >> >> >>>status above others? >>> >>>Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 How much clinical time was there in your UMBC program? BEB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Thom Seeber Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:41 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: CCEMT-P? Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 How much clinical time was there in your UMBC program? BEB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Thom Seeber Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:41 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: CCEMT-P? Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 When I took my class back in 95, we had 40 hours of clinicals divided between OR, ICU, CCU, and Pedi ICU. -T Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 When I took my class back in 95, we had 40 hours of clinicals divided between OR, ICU, CCU, and Pedi ICU. -T Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Steve <paramedic1@s...> wrote: > > You're defending the course abmirably, but I didn't attack it. In fact, > I stated I don't doubt the value. Ditto, Steve. People are answering a question that was never asked, while ignoring the question that was asked. Funny, the exact same thing has happened both other times I have seen the question asked in other forums. > My question, which you answered, was > whether there was a certification involved. I'm afraid the question still isn't quite answered for me. It seems to me that everybody is dodging the question with obfuscation. I get wallpaper and a card with ACLS too, but I don't use it as a title credential. So let me focus the question: What EXACTLY, WORD FOR WORD does it say on the card/certificate issued by UMBC? Does it literally bestow upon you the title of " CCEMT-P " or utilize the specific term " CRITICAL CARE EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIAN - PARAMEDIC " ? And if so, are the paramedic participants receiving a completely different card and wall cert from the non-paramedic participants. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Steve <paramedic1@s...> wrote: > > You're defending the course abmirably, but I didn't attack it. In fact, > I stated I don't doubt the value. Ditto, Steve. People are answering a question that was never asked, while ignoring the question that was asked. Funny, the exact same thing has happened both other times I have seen the question asked in other forums. > My question, which you answered, was > whether there was a certification involved. I'm afraid the question still isn't quite answered for me. It seems to me that everybody is dodging the question with obfuscation. I get wallpaper and a card with ACLS too, but I don't use it as a title credential. So let me focus the question: What EXACTLY, WORD FOR WORD does it say on the card/certificate issued by UMBC? Does it literally bestow upon you the title of " CCEMT-P " or utilize the specific term " CRITICAL CARE EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIAN - PARAMEDIC " ? And if so, are the paramedic participants receiving a completely different card and wall cert from the non-paramedic participants. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Steve <paramedic1@s...> wrote: > > You're defending the course abmirably, but I didn't attack it. In fact, > I stated I don't doubt the value. Ditto, Steve. People are answering a question that was never asked, while ignoring the question that was asked. Funny, the exact same thing has happened both other times I have seen the question asked in other forums. > My question, which you answered, was > whether there was a certification involved. I'm afraid the question still isn't quite answered for me. It seems to me that everybody is dodging the question with obfuscation. I get wallpaper and a card with ACLS too, but I don't use it as a title credential. So let me focus the question: What EXACTLY, WORD FOR WORD does it say on the card/certificate issued by UMBC? Does it literally bestow upon you the title of " CCEMT-P " or utilize the specific term " CRITICAL CARE EMERGENCY MEDICAL TECHNICIAN - PARAMEDIC " ? And if so, are the paramedic participants receiving a completely different card and wall cert from the non-paramedic participants. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 In the program I attended, we spent 62 plus hours in a cadaver lab, 12 hours with a simulator, unlimited rotations at a level trauma center. The program I attended by far has the best hands on. Bledsoe wrote: How much clinical time was there in your UMBC program? BEB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Thom Seeber Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:41 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: CCEMT-P? Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 In the program I attended, we spent 62 plus hours in a cadaver lab, 12 hours with a simulator, unlimited rotations at a level trauma center. The program I attended by far has the best hands on. Bledsoe wrote: How much clinical time was there in your UMBC program? BEB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Thom Seeber Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:41 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: CCEMT-P? Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 In the program I attended, we spent 62 plus hours in a cadaver lab, 12 hours with a simulator, unlimited rotations at a level trauma center. The program I attended by far has the best hands on. Bledsoe wrote: How much clinical time was there in your UMBC program? BEB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Thom Seeber Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:41 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: CCEMT-P? Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 In the program I attended, we spent 62 plus hours in a cadaver lab, 12 hours with a simulator, unlimited rotations at a level trauma center. The program I attended by far has the best hands on. Bledsoe wrote: How much clinical time was there in your UMBC program? BEB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Thom Seeber Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:41 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: CCEMT-P? Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 In the program I attended, we spent 62 plus hours in a cadaver lab, 12 hours with a simulator, unlimited rotations at a level trauma center. The program I attended by far has the best hands on. Bledsoe wrote: How much clinical time was there in your UMBC program? BEB _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Thom Seeber Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:41 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: CCEMT-P? Steve, What UMBC has done was to create a course of study for paramedics that deals with that class of patients who would be classified as " critical " . The course is very intense, and expands the knowledge base and abilities of a paramedic to be able to manage these types of patients in both the ground-based and fixed/rotor wing environment. By taking this course through a recognized program, you eliminate the " in-house " trained Critical Care Paramedics that seem to be cropping up across the nation. When you have an institute of higher education (College-Base) conducting the course and verifying the evaluation of the student, you have that creditability that you may not have in those " home-grown " programs. This course has been around for over 10 years now, and has really set the standard for services that offer critical care transport service. Although there is some flexibility in some of the content (based on when you take the course), the core materials are mandatory. The certificate and wallet card are issued by the University of land, Baltimore County (UMBC). There is a requirement for specific areas in CEU's and a renewal process that must be completed. In some areas, the successful completion of this course is a requirement for employment. So I would think that at least someone out there considers this a " real " certification. As far as someone using the initials in their name; who cares? I can think of no certifying entity for Field Training Officers, yet I see numerous agencies in fire, police and EMS who recognize certain people as " FTO's. Is that a " bogus " certification too? Not necessarily. Those people are " certified " by their agencies. While this may not be a creditable as someone certified by a state or national agency, it none the less is considered to be a valid certification by those agencies. If you doubt the creditability of the CCEMTP program, go and take a course. Should you be successful in passing the course, you would most likely feel compelled to add that " CCEMT-P " after your name. -Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P Re: Re: CCEMT-P? I don't doubt the value of the course. But who issues the Certification? Is there a real certification, with a registry of certificants, and a list of criteria for certification? Do they issue a wallet card, wallpaper, etc? =Steve= mpmedics wrote: >After sitting through and competing a Critical Care Paramedic >Course, I could not recommend another course that I feel would be as >educational as this one. The education I received during this >course was in no way comparable to my paramedic education. It far >exceeded my EMS training. I am proud to have CCEMT-P behind my >name, although, I don't actually use the initials when I sign my >name. I am equally proud to be Nationally Registered and use those >initials instead. If you haven't taken a CCEMTP course then I >suggest taking one, but be aware, it is probably the most intense >EMS training program you will ever take. > >Matt >Director of EMS >Texas City EMS >Texas City, Texas > > Of course, CCEMTP stands for >> >> >the " Critical Care Emergency Medical Transport > > >>Program " run by UMBC. However, I am noticing a lot of people >> >> >using the > > >>initials " CCEMT-P " in their signatures as if it is some sort of >>certification or licensure level. >> >>Perusing the various CCEMTP websites, including UMBC, I can find >> >> >absolutely > > >>no reference to this as being a legitimate usage of the initials. >> >> >After > > >>all, multiple levels of healthcare provider are trained in the >> >> >CCEMTP > > >>course, including Respiratory Therapists. And completion of the >> >> >course does > > >>not make them any level of " EMT. " It seems to me that such usage >> >> >would be > > >>about as logical as writing " CPR " or " PHTLS " after your name. >> >> >After all, > > >>it's just another merit badge. >> >>So, my question is, is the use of " CCEMT-P " as a part of one's >> >> >credentials > > >>officially sanctioned by UMBC or any other reputable >> >> >organization? Or is > > >>this a bastardization of the the term, and just another one of >> >> >those silly > > >>things that wankers do in a transparent attempt to elevate their >> >> >personal > > >>status above others? >> >>Rob >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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