Re: 1 st post (Jfb) & Xavierboy (MG)

[Guest guest]

As a recently diagnosed Afibber, get used to the attitude of most

cardiologists that we, collectively, are a nuisance to them as long

as we have a fairly healthy heart otherwise. Our mortality rate is

no higher than people without A fib so, to them, 'What's the big

deal'? They are so used to dealing with patients with other life and

death related problems that I think, maybe subconsciously even, they

don't even consider us to be a 'blip' on the screen of things they

should be dealing with. The only thing I can suggest is to find a

doctor who will actively meet you needs or do what I did; become much

more 'pro-active' in you own health issues...Research, Learn,

Question, Test, Probe and above all, Use Common Sense.

As to the question about going to a doctor to have a magnesium test

done. It is not that simple. Magnesium is normally found mostly in

intracellular tissue, not floating around in the blood stream. A

simple blood test WILL NOT always find a deficiency of that

particular trace element. Unless a tissue biopsy is done, not an

easy or practicle approach, the blood test will be unclear. The only

easy way to test that specific supplement is to try it. If it will

have any positive effect on you, you should notice the difference

within a week or so.

Also, I don't agree that all supplements are harmless. Pick and

choose wisely. Potassium for instance, can build up in your blood

stream from an overdose easily. At least that element can readily be

tested by a normal blood screening. I can tell you from experience

that most doctors will tell you that, " As long as you are on healthy

diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from normal

food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

medical precept.

I'll get off my soapbox now and go out in my garden and pick some

weeds. But first I'll take my usual 250 mg of Mg oxide that has kept

me in NSR for over three months now.

S.

> Hi to all

>

> Well here goes, about a year ago i was sent to the hospital with

afib

> and spent about 2days until i went into NSR on my own. The Cardio

> gave me mavik for BP and Toporol 50 mg for the afib, now i have

been

> on both meds and have a new side effect which has been diagnosed as

> PVC's which really suck. The cardio thinks that they are not

> harmful,but it sure scares the heck out of me everytime i have a

bout

> with this junk. ( which has been everyday for the past week) when i

> ask him about the problems he just says get used to it. Should i

> change doctors

>

> jfb

[Guest guest]

As a recently diagnosed Afibber, get used to the attitude of most

cardiologists that we, collectively, are a nuisance to them as long

as we have a fairly healthy heart otherwise. Our mortality rate is

no higher than people without A fib so, to them, 'What's the big

deal'? They are so used to dealing with patients with other life and

death related problems that I think, maybe subconsciously even, they

don't even consider us to be a 'blip' on the screen of things they

should be dealing with. The only thing I can suggest is to find a

doctor who will actively meet you needs or do what I did; become much

more 'pro-active' in you own health issues...Research, Learn,

Question, Test, Probe and above all, Use Common Sense.

As to the question about going to a doctor to have a magnesium test

done. It is not that simple. Magnesium is normally found mostly in

intracellular tissue, not floating around in the blood stream. A

simple blood test WILL NOT always find a deficiency of that

particular trace element. Unless a tissue biopsy is done, not an

easy or practicle approach, the blood test will be unclear. The only

easy way to test that specific supplement is to try it. If it will

have any positive effect on you, you should notice the difference

within a week or so.

Also, I don't agree that all supplements are harmless. Pick and

choose wisely. Potassium for instance, can build up in your blood

stream from an overdose easily. At least that element can readily be

tested by a normal blood screening. I can tell you from experience

that most doctors will tell you that, " As long as you are on healthy

diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from normal

food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

medical precept.

I'll get off my soapbox now and go out in my garden and pick some

weeds. But first I'll take my usual 250 mg of Mg oxide that has kept

me in NSR for over three months now.

S.

> Hi to all

>

> Well here goes, about a year ago i was sent to the hospital with

afib

> and spent about 2days until i went into NSR on my own. The Cardio

> gave me mavik for BP and Toporol 50 mg for the afib, now i have

been

> on both meds and have a new side effect which has been diagnosed as

> PVC's which really suck. The cardio thinks that they are not

> harmful,but it sure scares the heck out of me everytime i have a

bout

> with this junk. ( which has been everyday for the past week) when i

> ask him about the problems he just says get used to it. Should i

> change doctors

>

> jfb

[Guest guest]

Hear hear on the Mg oxide. I began a daily dose (with evening meal) of 500

mg after reading the posts here and have had no futher full-on A-Fib

episodes these last six weeks. Coincidence? Perhaps, but shortly after

sensing that early " squirrel-in-the-chest " feeling coming on, I've taken my

evening dose then and there and I'm soon back in sweet NSR.

Many thanks for the great information and dialogue found here. -- Greg

>

>Reply-To: AFIBsupport

>To: AFIBsupport

>Subject: Re: 1 st post (Jfb) & Xavierboy (MG)

>Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:14:37 -0000

>

>As a recently diagnosed Afibber, get used to the attitude of most

>cardiologists that we, collectively, are a nuisance to them as long

>as we have a fairly healthy heart otherwise. Our mortality rate is

>no higher than people without A fib so, to them, 'What's the big

>deal'? They are so used to dealing with patients with other life and

>death related problems that I think, maybe subconsciously even, they

>don't even consider us to be a 'blip' on the screen of things they

>should be dealing with. The only thing I can suggest is to find a

>doctor who will actively meet you needs or do what I did; become much

>more 'pro-active' in you own health issues...Research, Learn,

>Question, Test, Probe and above all, Use Common Sense.

>

>As to the question about going to a doctor to have a magnesium test

>done. It is not that simple. Magnesium is normally found mostly in

>intracellular tissue, not floating around in the blood stream. A

>simple blood test WILL NOT always find a deficiency of that

>particular trace element. Unless a tissue biopsy is done, not an

>easy or practicle approach, the blood test will be unclear. The only

>easy way to test that specific supplement is to try it. If it will

>have any positive effect on you, you should notice the difference

>within a week or so.

>

>Also, I don't agree that all supplements are harmless. Pick and

>choose wisely. Potassium for instance, can build up in your blood

>stream from an overdose easily. At least that element can readily be

>tested by a normal blood screening. I can tell you from experience

>that most doctors will tell you that, " As long as you are on healthy

>diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from normal

>food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

>medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

>school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

>medical precept.

>

>I'll get off my soapbox now and go out in my garden and pick some

>weeds. But first I'll take my usual 250 mg of Mg oxide that has kept

>me in NSR for over three months now.

>

> S.

>

>

> > Hi to all

> >

> > Well here goes, about a year ago i was sent to the hospital with

>afib

> > and spent about 2days until i went into NSR on my own. The Cardio

> > gave me mavik for BP and Toporol 50 mg for the afib, now i have

>been

> > on both meds and have a new side effect which has been diagnosed as

> > PVC's which really suck. The cardio thinks that they are not

> > harmful,but it sure scares the heck out of me everytime i have a

>bout

> > with this junk. ( which has been everyday for the past week) when i

> > ask him about the problems he just says get used to it. Should i

> > change doctors

> >

> > jfb

>

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[Guest guest]

Hear hear on the Mg oxide. I began a daily dose (with evening meal) of 500

mg after reading the posts here and have had no futher full-on A-Fib

episodes these last six weeks. Coincidence? Perhaps, but shortly after

sensing that early " squirrel-in-the-chest " feeling coming on, I've taken my

evening dose then and there and I'm soon back in sweet NSR.

Many thanks for the great information and dialogue found here. -- Greg

>

>Reply-To: AFIBsupport

>To: AFIBsupport

>Subject: Re: 1 st post (Jfb) & Xavierboy (MG)

>Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:14:37 -0000

>

>As a recently diagnosed Afibber, get used to the attitude of most

>cardiologists that we, collectively, are a nuisance to them as long

>as we have a fairly healthy heart otherwise. Our mortality rate is

>no higher than people without A fib so, to them, 'What's the big

>deal'? They are so used to dealing with patients with other life and

>death related problems that I think, maybe subconsciously even, they

>don't even consider us to be a 'blip' on the screen of things they

>should be dealing with. The only thing I can suggest is to find a

>doctor who will actively meet you needs or do what I did; become much

>more 'pro-active' in you own health issues...Research, Learn,

>Question, Test, Probe and above all, Use Common Sense.

>

>As to the question about going to a doctor to have a magnesium test

>done. It is not that simple. Magnesium is normally found mostly in

>intracellular tissue, not floating around in the blood stream. A

>simple blood test WILL NOT always find a deficiency of that

>particular trace element. Unless a tissue biopsy is done, not an

>easy or practicle approach, the blood test will be unclear. The only

>easy way to test that specific supplement is to try it. If it will

>have any positive effect on you, you should notice the difference

>within a week or so.

>

>Also, I don't agree that all supplements are harmless. Pick and

>choose wisely. Potassium for instance, can build up in your blood

>stream from an overdose easily. At least that element can readily be

>tested by a normal blood screening. I can tell you from experience

>that most doctors will tell you that, " As long as you are on healthy

>diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from normal

>food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

>medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

>school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

>medical precept.

>

>I'll get off my soapbox now and go out in my garden and pick some

>weeds. But first I'll take my usual 250 mg of Mg oxide that has kept

>me in NSR for over three months now.

>

> S.

>

>

> > Hi to all

> >

> > Well here goes, about a year ago i was sent to the hospital with

>afib

> > and spent about 2days until i went into NSR on my own. The Cardio

> > gave me mavik for BP and Toporol 50 mg for the afib, now i have

>been

> > on both meds and have a new side effect which has been diagnosed as

> > PVC's which really suck. The cardio thinks that they are not

> > harmful,but it sure scares the heck out of me everytime i have a

>bout

> > with this junk. ( which has been everyday for the past week) when i

> > ask him about the problems he just says get used to it. Should i

> > change doctors

> >

> > jfb

>

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[Guest guest]

Hear hear on the Mg oxide. I began a daily dose (with evening meal) of 500

mg after reading the posts here and have had no futher full-on A-Fib

episodes these last six weeks. Coincidence? Perhaps, but shortly after

sensing that early " squirrel-in-the-chest " feeling coming on, I've taken my

evening dose then and there and I'm soon back in sweet NSR.

Many thanks for the great information and dialogue found here. -- Greg

>

>Reply-To: AFIBsupport

>To: AFIBsupport

>Subject: Re: 1 st post (Jfb) & Xavierboy (MG)

>Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:14:37 -0000

>

>As a recently diagnosed Afibber, get used to the attitude of most

>cardiologists that we, collectively, are a nuisance to them as long

>as we have a fairly healthy heart otherwise. Our mortality rate is

>no higher than people without A fib so, to them, 'What's the big

>deal'? They are so used to dealing with patients with other life and

>death related problems that I think, maybe subconsciously even, they

>don't even consider us to be a 'blip' on the screen of things they

>should be dealing with. The only thing I can suggest is to find a

>doctor who will actively meet you needs or do what I did; become much

>more 'pro-active' in you own health issues...Research, Learn,

>Question, Test, Probe and above all, Use Common Sense.

>

>As to the question about going to a doctor to have a magnesium test

>done. It is not that simple. Magnesium is normally found mostly in

>intracellular tissue, not floating around in the blood stream. A

>simple blood test WILL NOT always find a deficiency of that

>particular trace element. Unless a tissue biopsy is done, not an

>easy or practicle approach, the blood test will be unclear. The only

>easy way to test that specific supplement is to try it. If it will

>have any positive effect on you, you should notice the difference

>within a week or so.

>

>Also, I don't agree that all supplements are harmless. Pick and

>choose wisely. Potassium for instance, can build up in your blood

>stream from an overdose easily. At least that element can readily be

>tested by a normal blood screening. I can tell you from experience

>that most doctors will tell you that, " As long as you are on healthy

>diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from normal

>food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

>medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

>school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

>medical precept.

>

>I'll get off my soapbox now and go out in my garden and pick some

>weeds. But first I'll take my usual 250 mg of Mg oxide that has kept

>me in NSR for over three months now.

>

> S.

>

>

> > Hi to all

> >

> > Well here goes, about a year ago i was sent to the hospital with

>afib

> > and spent about 2days until i went into NSR on my own. The Cardio

> > gave me mavik for BP and Toporol 50 mg for the afib, now i have

>been

> > on both meds and have a new side effect which has been diagnosed as

> > PVC's which really suck. The cardio thinks that they are not

> > harmful,but it sure scares the heck out of me everytime i have a

>bout

> > with this junk. ( which has been everyday for the past week) when i

> > ask him about the problems he just says get used to it. Should i

> > change doctors

> >

> > jfb

>

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[Guest guest]

The magnesium test: As noted below, blood magnesium test for A. Fib. is

usually not helpful. On needs to assess the intra-cellular magnesium level.

This is done by some labs by determining mag. levels of wbc or rbc. A

challange test can be made-24 hr. mag. level followed by a repeat after

given some magnesium to see what is picked up by the tissues. Not sure of

the levels, etc.

Stan.J.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==

=

Re: 1 st post (Jfb) & Xavierboy (MG)

> >Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:14:37 -0000

> >

snippered

> >as we have a fairly healthy heart otherwise. Our mortality rate is

> >no higher than people without A fib so, to them, 'What's the big

> >deal'? They are so used to dealing with patients with other life and

> >death related problems that I think, maybe subconsciously even, they

> >Question, Test, Probe and above all, Use Common Sense.

> >

> >As to the question about going to a doctor to have a magnesium test

> >done. It is not that simple. Magnesium is normally found mostly in

> >intracellular tissue, not floating around in the blood stream. A

> >simple blood test WILL NOT always find a deficiency of that

> >particular trace element. Unless a tissue biopsy is done, not an

> >easy or practicle approach, the blood test will be unclear. The only

> >easy way to test that specific supplement is to try it. If it will

> >have any positive effect on you, you should notice the difference

> >within a week or so.

> >

> >Also, I don't agree that all supplements are harmless. Pick and

> >choose wisely. Potassium for instance, can build up in your blood

> >stream from an overdose easily. At least that element can readily be

> >tested by a normal blood screening. I can tell you from experience

> >that most doctors will tell you that, " As long as you are on healthy

> >diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from normal

> >food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

> >medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

> >school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

> >medical precept.

> >

> >I'll get off my soapbox now and go out in my garden and pick some

> >weeds. But first I'll take my usual 250 mg of Mg oxide that has kept

> >me in NSR for over three months now.

> >

[Guest guest]

The magnesium test: As noted below, blood magnesium test for A. Fib. is

usually not helpful. On needs to assess the intra-cellular magnesium level.

This is done by some labs by determining mag. levels of wbc or rbc. A

challange test can be made-24 hr. mag. level followed by a repeat after

given some magnesium to see what is picked up by the tissues. Not sure of

the levels, etc.

Stan.J.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==

=

Re: 1 st post (Jfb) & Xavierboy (MG)

> >Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:14:37 -0000

> >

snippered

> >as we have a fairly healthy heart otherwise. Our mortality rate is

> >no higher than people without A fib so, to them, 'What's the big

> >deal'? They are so used to dealing with patients with other life and

> >death related problems that I think, maybe subconsciously even, they

> >Question, Test, Probe and above all, Use Common Sense.

> >

> >As to the question about going to a doctor to have a magnesium test

> >done. It is not that simple. Magnesium is normally found mostly in

> >intracellular tissue, not floating around in the blood stream. A

> >simple blood test WILL NOT always find a deficiency of that

> >particular trace element. Unless a tissue biopsy is done, not an

> >easy or practicle approach, the blood test will be unclear. The only

> >easy way to test that specific supplement is to try it. If it will

> >have any positive effect on you, you should notice the difference

> >within a week or so.

> >

> >Also, I don't agree that all supplements are harmless. Pick and

> >choose wisely. Potassium for instance, can build up in your blood

> >stream from an overdose easily. At least that element can readily be

> >tested by a normal blood screening. I can tell you from experience

> >that most doctors will tell you that, " As long as you are on healthy

> >diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from normal

> >food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

> >medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

> >school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

> >medical precept.

> >

> >I'll get off my soapbox now and go out in my garden and pick some

> >weeds. But first I'll take my usual 250 mg of Mg oxide that has kept

> >me in NSR for over three months now.

> >

[Guest guest]

The magnesium test: As noted below, blood magnesium test for A. Fib. is

usually not helpful. On needs to assess the intra-cellular magnesium level.

This is done by some labs by determining mag. levels of wbc or rbc. A

challange test can be made-24 hr. mag. level followed by a repeat after

given some magnesium to see what is picked up by the tissues. Not sure of

the levels, etc.

Stan.J.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==

=

Re: 1 st post (Jfb) & Xavierboy (MG)

> >Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:14:37 -0000

> >

snippered

> >as we have a fairly healthy heart otherwise. Our mortality rate is

> >no higher than people without A fib so, to them, 'What's the big

> >deal'? They are so used to dealing with patients with other life and

> >death related problems that I think, maybe subconsciously even, they

> >Question, Test, Probe and above all, Use Common Sense.

> >

> >As to the question about going to a doctor to have a magnesium test

> >done. It is not that simple. Magnesium is normally found mostly in

> >intracellular tissue, not floating around in the blood stream. A

> >simple blood test WILL NOT always find a deficiency of that

> >particular trace element. Unless a tissue biopsy is done, not an

> >easy or practicle approach, the blood test will be unclear. The only

> >easy way to test that specific supplement is to try it. If it will

> >have any positive effect on you, you should notice the difference

> >within a week or so.

> >

> >Also, I don't agree that all supplements are harmless. Pick and

> >choose wisely. Potassium for instance, can build up in your blood

> >stream from an overdose easily. At least that element can readily be

> >tested by a normal blood screening. I can tell you from experience

> >that most doctors will tell you that, " As long as you are on healthy

> >diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from normal

> >food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

> >medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

> >school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

> >medical precept.

> >

> >I'll get off my soapbox now and go out in my garden and pick some

> >weeds. But first I'll take my usual 250 mg of Mg oxide that has kept

> >me in NSR for over three months now.

> >

[Guest guest]

---> diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from

normal

> food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

> medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

> school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

> medical precept.

>

This is exactly what my regular Dr told me when I mentioned

suppelments. In my case I don't eat enough of veggie's so I am

proably lacking in the vitmin department. I have gone to a couple of

cardioligist in the past and they tell me becuase I am a women and

still somewhat young I should not be overly worried. Also that

medications in my case might be worse than the actual problem I am

having. I might belive that but not because I am a women, etc. My

latest Cardioligist seems to be a bit more understandting and when he

saw how thin I was told me I need to gain weight becuase this could

be making my problems worse. I guess the best thing to do is shop

around fo someone you trust.

Michele

[Guest guest]

---> diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from

normal

> food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

> medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

> school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

> medical precept.

>

This is exactly what my regular Dr told me when I mentioned

suppelments. In my case I don't eat enough of veggie's so I am

proably lacking in the vitmin department. I have gone to a couple of

cardioligist in the past and they tell me becuase I am a women and

still somewhat young I should not be overly worried. Also that

medications in my case might be worse than the actual problem I am

having. I might belive that but not because I am a women, etc. My

latest Cardioligist seems to be a bit more understandting and when he

saw how thin I was told me I need to gain weight becuase this could

be making my problems worse. I guess the best thing to do is shop

around fo someone you trust.

Michele

[Guest guest]

---> diet, you will get all the vitamins and minerals you need from

normal

> food supplies. " In my opinion that statement is, to use a non

> medical term, B.S. But that is the what they learned in medical

> school and it would be hard for them to contradict a long standing

> medical precept.

>

This is exactly what my regular Dr told me when I mentioned

suppelments. In my case I don't eat enough of veggie's so I am

proably lacking in the vitmin department. I have gone to a couple of

cardioligist in the past and they tell me becuase I am a women and

still somewhat young I should not be overly worried. Also that

medications in my case might be worse than the actual problem I am

having. I might belive that but not because I am a women, etc. My

latest Cardioligist seems to be a bit more understandting and when he

saw how thin I was told me I need to gain weight becuase this could

be making my problems worse. I guess the best thing to do is shop

around fo someone you trust.

Michele