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I guess in other words, If you can dish it out, you

best well take it too. You can attack me personally

and I know not to take it personal. We are all

entitled to our opinions. It is just sad when you

take things personal when your language is offensive

to some in the first place. Deal with the

repercussions and let's move on to another subject.

Can't we all just get along?

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

--- salvador capuchino wrote:

> But my friend as you well know, just because the

> first

> ammendment gave you the freedom of speech does not

> mean that it should be abused either. Kinda like

> the

> right to bear arms. Just because we can own guns

> does

> not give us the right to abuse the right by killing,

> murdering, etc. I am not perfect and have used some

> if not most of those seven words, sometimes even

> while

> responding to a request from the boss that I did not

> agree with. Yes I had to pay a price. But I know

> not

> to use them on this list out of respect for not just

> the profession, but the people who read them. So if

> you choose to use them, remember there is a price to

> pay, either censorship or gettig to sit on some

> coals

> for a while.

> Salvador Capuchino Jr

> EMT-Paramedic

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> >

> > With all due respect, I think that adults have the

> > free will to make

> > decisions about what's right for them. My only

> > concern with this discussion is that,

> > as of late, the EMS related conversations have

> been

> > overwhelmed by those

> > with a social agenda -- whether it is the

> discussion

> > over " the seven dirty

> > words " or whether I'm going to hell for not

> joining

> > y'all in saying " Merry

> > Christmas. " What I find offensive are the

> > indignant, self-appointed morality police

> > that have more in common with the Taliban or the

> > Saudi Wahabis than they do

> > with ANY American tradition.

> >

> > I'd like to remind you of a quote from the play

> > " Inherit the Wind " regarding

> > profanity. " There are too damned few words in the

> > English language, and I

> > intend to use every one of them. " Sorry to say,

> > those include the " Seven Words

> > You Can't Say On Television. "

> >

> > In other words, the freedoms we cherish are

> > partially protected by those who

> > advocate positions or say things that the rest of

> us

> > may find repugnant.

> > F*** yeah! ;-)

> >

> > -Wes

> >

> > In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:52:15 PM Central

> > Standard Time,

> > simple_emt@... writes:

> >

> > -Wes,

> >

> > Me, myself and I will determine what is obscene to

> > me, and the

> > people who respond to the poll will determine what

> > is offensive to

> > them. When I signed on to the list today it told

> me

> > there were 1,729

> > members. I'm willing to bet the majority could

> > tolerate hell or

> > damn, but would find the f word offensive, at

> least

> > when used in the

> > context as it was and posted to a public list.

> I'm

> > willing to bet

> > they find the new poll about morons offensive

> too,

> > and I'm willing

> > to bet the same offender is responsible for both.

> > The arogance is

> > obvious. It isn't about rights, it is about what

> is

> > right. And

> > regardless of what our friend with the New Jersey

> > attidue says it

> > isn't political correctness. It is social

> > correctness. It is about

> > having a little respect for your audience and

> their

> > sensibilities.

> > Maybe they didn't teach respect in New Jersey

> > schools, but they sure

> > did in South Carolina. And I have a South Carolina

>

> > attitude.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here's my question..... who determines what is

> > obscene or vulgar?

> > For

> > > example, some people consider " damn " or " hell "

> > vulgar.

> > >

> > > -Wes

> > >

> > > In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM

> Central

> > Standard Time,

> > > writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been

> > created for the

> > > group:

> > >

> > > Should the use of language commonly considered

> > obscene or vulgar

> > be allowed

> > > on the Texas EMS?

> > >

> > > o Yes

> > > o No

> > > o Don't care

> > >

> > >

> > > To vote, please visit the following web page:

> > >

> >

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

> >

> > >

> > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll

> > votes are

> > > not collected via email. To vote, you must go

> to

> > the Yahoo!

> > Groups

> > > web site listed above.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------

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Ahhh....but curiosity killed the cat.

Salvador Capuchino Jr.

EMT-Paramedic

--- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> Ahhh... the difference between firearms and words is

> that the only thing

> injured by words are feelings. And the Constitution

> does not guarantee a right

> not to be offended.

>

> In other words -- SIMPLE SOLUTION -- If you don't

> like Lou, Gene, Mike, or

> even me, hit the F***ing delete button! :-)

>

> I can guarantee you that none of us will care.

>

> -Wes

>

>

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2005 8:07:45 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> scapuchino@... writes:

>

> But my friend as you well know, just because the

> first

> ammendment gave you the freedom of speech does not

> mean that it should be abused either. Kinda like

> the

> right to bear arms. Just because we can own guns

> does

> not give us the right to abuse the right by killing,

> murdering, etc. I am not perfect and have used

> some

> if not most of those seven words, sometimes even

> while

> responding to a request from the boss that I did

> not

> agree with. Yes I had to pay a price. But I know

> not

> to use them on this list out of respect for not just

> the profession, but the people who read them. So

> if

> you choose to use them, remember there is a price

> to

> pay, either censorship or gettig to sit on some

> coals

> for a while.

> Salvador Capuchino Jr

> EMT-Paramedic

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> >

> > With all due respect, I think that adults have the

> > free will to make

> > decisions about what's right for them. My only

> > concern with this discussion is that,

> > as of late, the EMS related conversations have

> been

> > overwhelmed by those

> > with a social agenda -- whether it is the

> discussion

> > over " the seven dirty

> > words " or whether I'm going to hell for not

> joining

> > y'all in saying " Merry

> > Christmas. " What I find offensive are the

> > indignant, self-appointed morality police

> > that have more in common with the Taliban or the

> > Saudi Wahabis than they do

> > with ANY American tradition.

> >

> > I'd like to remind you of a quote from the play

> > " Inherit the Wind " regarding

> > profanity. " There are too damned few words in

> the

> > English language, and I

> > intend to use every one of them. " Sorry to say,

> > those include the " Seven Words

> > You Can't Say On Television. "

> >

> > In other words, the freedoms we cherish are

> > partially protected by those who

> > advocate positions or say things that the rest of

> us

> > may find repugnant.

> > F*** yeah! ;-)

> >

> > -Wes

> >

> > In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:52:15 PM Central

> > Standard Time,

> > simple_emt@... writes:

> >

> > -Wes,

> >

> > Me, myself and I will determine what is obscene

> to

> > me, and the

> > people who respond to the poll will determine

> what

> > is offensive to

> > them. When I signed on to the list today it told

> me

> > there were 1,729

> > members. I'm willing to bet the majority could

> > tolerate hell or

> > damn, but would find the f word offensive, at

> least

> > when used in the

> > context as it was and posted to a public list.

> I'm

> > willing to bet

> > they find the new poll about morons offensive

> too,

> > and I'm willing

> > to bet the same offender is responsible for

> both.

> > The arogance is

> > obvious. It isn't about rights, it is about what

> is

> > right. And

> > regardless of what our friend with the New Jersey

> > attidue says it

> > isn't political correctness. It is social

> > correctness. It is about

> > having a little respect for your audience and

> their

> > sensibilities.

> > Maybe they didn't teach respect in New Jersey

> > schools, but they sure

> > did in South Carolina. And I have a South

> Carolina

> > attitude.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here's my question..... who determines what is

> > obscene or vulgar?

> > For

> > > example, some people consider " damn " or " hell "

> > vulgar.

> > >

> > > -Wes

> > >

> > > In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM

> Central

> > Standard Time,

> > > writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been

> > created for the

> > > group:

> > >

> > > Should the use of language commonly considered

>

> > obscene or vulgar

> > be allowed

> > > on the Texas EMS?

> > >

> > > o Yes

> > > o No

> > > o Don't care

> > >

> > >

> > > To vote, please visit the following web page:

> > >

> >

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

> >

> > >

> > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll

> > votes are

> > > not collected via email. To vote, you must go

> to

> > the Yahoo!

> > Groups

> > > web site listed above.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------

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Ahhh....but curiosity killed the cat.

Salvador Capuchino Jr.

EMT-Paramedic

--- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> Ahhh... the difference between firearms and words is

> that the only thing

> injured by words are feelings. And the Constitution

> does not guarantee a right

> not to be offended.

>

> In other words -- SIMPLE SOLUTION -- If you don't

> like Lou, Gene, Mike, or

> even me, hit the F***ing delete button! :-)

>

> I can guarantee you that none of us will care.

>

> -Wes

>

>

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2005 8:07:45 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> scapuchino@... writes:

>

> But my friend as you well know, just because the

> first

> ammendment gave you the freedom of speech does not

> mean that it should be abused either. Kinda like

> the

> right to bear arms. Just because we can own guns

> does

> not give us the right to abuse the right by killing,

> murdering, etc. I am not perfect and have used

> some

> if not most of those seven words, sometimes even

> while

> responding to a request from the boss that I did

> not

> agree with. Yes I had to pay a price. But I know

> not

> to use them on this list out of respect for not just

> the profession, but the people who read them. So

> if

> you choose to use them, remember there is a price

> to

> pay, either censorship or gettig to sit on some

> coals

> for a while.

> Salvador Capuchino Jr

> EMT-Paramedic

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> >

> > With all due respect, I think that adults have the

> > free will to make

> > decisions about what's right for them. My only

> > concern with this discussion is that,

> > as of late, the EMS related conversations have

> been

> > overwhelmed by those

> > with a social agenda -- whether it is the

> discussion

> > over " the seven dirty

> > words " or whether I'm going to hell for not

> joining

> > y'all in saying " Merry

> > Christmas. " What I find offensive are the

> > indignant, self-appointed morality police

> > that have more in common with the Taliban or the

> > Saudi Wahabis than they do

> > with ANY American tradition.

> >

> > I'd like to remind you of a quote from the play

> > " Inherit the Wind " regarding

> > profanity. " There are too damned few words in

> the

> > English language, and I

> > intend to use every one of them. " Sorry to say,

> > those include the " Seven Words

> > You Can't Say On Television. "

> >

> > In other words, the freedoms we cherish are

> > partially protected by those who

> > advocate positions or say things that the rest of

> us

> > may find repugnant.

> > F*** yeah! ;-)

> >

> > -Wes

> >

> > In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:52:15 PM Central

> > Standard Time,

> > simple_emt@... writes:

> >

> > -Wes,

> >

> > Me, myself and I will determine what is obscene

> to

> > me, and the

> > people who respond to the poll will determine

> what

> > is offensive to

> > them. When I signed on to the list today it told

> me

> > there were 1,729

> > members. I'm willing to bet the majority could

> > tolerate hell or

> > damn, but would find the f word offensive, at

> least

> > when used in the

> > context as it was and posted to a public list.

> I'm

> > willing to bet

> > they find the new poll about morons offensive

> too,

> > and I'm willing

> > to bet the same offender is responsible for

> both.

> > The arogance is

> > obvious. It isn't about rights, it is about what

> is

> > right. And

> > regardless of what our friend with the New Jersey

> > attidue says it

> > isn't political correctness. It is social

> > correctness. It is about

> > having a little respect for your audience and

> their

> > sensibilities.

> > Maybe they didn't teach respect in New Jersey

> > schools, but they sure

> > did in South Carolina. And I have a South

> Carolina

> > attitude.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here's my question..... who determines what is

> > obscene or vulgar?

> > For

> > > example, some people consider " damn " or " hell "

> > vulgar.

> > >

> > > -Wes

> > >

> > > In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM

> Central

> > Standard Time,

> > > writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been

> > created for the

> > > group:

> > >

> > > Should the use of language commonly considered

>

> > obscene or vulgar

> > be allowed

> > > on the Texas EMS?

> > >

> > > o Yes

> > > o No

> > > o Don't care

> > >

> > >

> > > To vote, please visit the following web page:

> > >

> >

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

> >

> > >

> > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll

> > votes are

> > > not collected via email. To vote, you must go

> to

> > the Yahoo!

> > Groups

> > > web site listed above.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------

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Ahhh....but curiosity killed the cat.

Salvador Capuchino Jr.

EMT-Paramedic

--- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> Ahhh... the difference between firearms and words is

> that the only thing

> injured by words are feelings. And the Constitution

> does not guarantee a right

> not to be offended.

>

> In other words -- SIMPLE SOLUTION -- If you don't

> like Lou, Gene, Mike, or

> even me, hit the F***ing delete button! :-)

>

> I can guarantee you that none of us will care.

>

> -Wes

>

>

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2005 8:07:45 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> scapuchino@... writes:

>

> But my friend as you well know, just because the

> first

> ammendment gave you the freedom of speech does not

> mean that it should be abused either. Kinda like

> the

> right to bear arms. Just because we can own guns

> does

> not give us the right to abuse the right by killing,

> murdering, etc. I am not perfect and have used

> some

> if not most of those seven words, sometimes even

> while

> responding to a request from the boss that I did

> not

> agree with. Yes I had to pay a price. But I know

> not

> to use them on this list out of respect for not just

> the profession, but the people who read them. So

> if

> you choose to use them, remember there is a price

> to

> pay, either censorship or gettig to sit on some

> coals

> for a while.

> Salvador Capuchino Jr

> EMT-Paramedic

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> >

> > With all due respect, I think that adults have the

> > free will to make

> > decisions about what's right for them. My only

> > concern with this discussion is that,

> > as of late, the EMS related conversations have

> been

> > overwhelmed by those

> > with a social agenda -- whether it is the

> discussion

> > over " the seven dirty

> > words " or whether I'm going to hell for not

> joining

> > y'all in saying " Merry

> > Christmas. " What I find offensive are the

> > indignant, self-appointed morality police

> > that have more in common with the Taliban or the

> > Saudi Wahabis than they do

> > with ANY American tradition.

> >

> > I'd like to remind you of a quote from the play

> > " Inherit the Wind " regarding

> > profanity. " There are too damned few words in

> the

> > English language, and I

> > intend to use every one of them. " Sorry to say,

> > those include the " Seven Words

> > You Can't Say On Television. "

> >

> > In other words, the freedoms we cherish are

> > partially protected by those who

> > advocate positions or say things that the rest of

> us

> > may find repugnant.

> > F*** yeah! ;-)

> >

> > -Wes

> >

> > In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:52:15 PM Central

> > Standard Time,

> > simple_emt@... writes:

> >

> > -Wes,

> >

> > Me, myself and I will determine what is obscene

> to

> > me, and the

> > people who respond to the poll will determine

> what

> > is offensive to

> > them. When I signed on to the list today it told

> me

> > there were 1,729

> > members. I'm willing to bet the majority could

> > tolerate hell or

> > damn, but would find the f word offensive, at

> least

> > when used in the

> > context as it was and posted to a public list.

> I'm

> > willing to bet

> > they find the new poll about morons offensive

> too,

> > and I'm willing

> > to bet the same offender is responsible for

> both.

> > The arogance is

> > obvious. It isn't about rights, it is about what

> is

> > right. And

> > regardless of what our friend with the New Jersey

> > attidue says it

> > isn't political correctness. It is social

> > correctness. It is about

> > having a little respect for your audience and

> their

> > sensibilities.

> > Maybe they didn't teach respect in New Jersey

> > schools, but they sure

> > did in South Carolina. And I have a South

> Carolina

> > attitude.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here's my question..... who determines what is

> > obscene or vulgar?

> > For

> > > example, some people consider " damn " or " hell "

> > vulgar.

> > >

> > > -Wes

> > >

> > > In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM

> Central

> > Standard Time,

> > > writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been

> > created for the

> > > group:

> > >

> > > Should the use of language commonly considered

>

> > obscene or vulgar

> > be allowed

> > > on the Texas EMS?

> > >

> > > o Yes

> > > o No

> > > o Don't care

> > >

> > >

> > > To vote, please visit the following web page:

> > >

> >

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

> >

> > >

> > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll

> > votes are

> > > not collected via email. To vote, you must go

> to

> > the Yahoo!

> > Groups

> > > web site listed above.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------

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Guys the bottom line....everyone here knows what

everyone is trying to say. Arguing about who is right

and who is wrong, what rights we have and which ones

we don't, Jersey attitudes and South Carolina

attitudes, whether Lou, Gene, or Wes are right or

wrong, let's all make our points or give our opinions

and move on. If we agree with your language or not,

all that some of us are asking is to choose your words

wisely. If you want to continue to look like an ass

by using them, then fine. Just don't go crying,

bitching or complaining when you get flamed. You have

the right to choose your words and I have the right to

voice my opinion on your choice of words. If anyone

wants to continue this discussion then reply to

personal emails and I think it is time to find

something worth discussing on this list.

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

--- lnmolino@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2005 8:07:51 P.M. Central

> Standard Time,

> scapuchino@... writes:

>

> So if you choose to use them, remember there is a

> price to pay, either

> censorship or gettig to sit on some coals for a

> while.

>

>

> Yea maybe but that too is in the eye of the beholder

> after all not everyone

> has beliefs that mirror the Judo-Christian versions

> of Heaven and Hell now do

> they?

>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@...

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

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Wes, my replies are generally not aimed at one

specific person but to everyone in genral. I respect

you, Gene, and Lou, regardless of anyone's choice of

words. Your wisdom and insight into EMS related

issues far out weigh anyone's choice of words.

Salvador Capuchino Jr

EMT-Paramedic

--- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

> Sal -- at which point did I engage in an hominem

> attack?

>

> -Wes

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2005 8:19:51 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> scapuchino@... writes:

>

> I guess in other words, If you can dish it out, you

> best well take it too. You can attack me

> personally

> and I know not to take it personal. We are all

> entitled to our opinions. It is just sad when you

> take things personal when your language is

> offensive

> to some in the first place. Deal with the

> repercussions and let's move on to another subject.

>

> Can't we all just get along?

> Salvador Capuchino Jr

> EMT-Paramedic

>

> --- salvador capuchino

> wrote:

>

> > But my friend as you well know, just because the

> > first

> > ammendment gave you the freedom of speech does not

> > mean that it should be abused either. Kinda like

> > the

> > right to bear arms. Just because we can own guns

> > does

> > not give us the right to abuse the right by

> killing,

> > murdering, etc. I am not perfect and have used

> some

> > if not most of those seven words, sometimes even

> > while

> > responding to a request from the boss that I did

> not

> > agree with. Yes I had to pay a price. But I

> know

> > not

> > to use them on this list out of respect for not

> just

> > the profession, but the people who read them. So

> if

> > you choose to use them, remember there is a price

> to

> > pay, either censorship or gettig to sit on some

> > coals

> > for a while.

> > Salvador Capuchino Jr

> > EMT-Paramedic

> >

> > --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > With all due respect, I think that adults have

> the

> > > free will to make

> > > decisions about what's right for them. My only

> > > concern with this discussion is that,

> > > as of late, the EMS related conversations have

> > been

> > > overwhelmed by those

> > > with a social agenda -- whether it is the

> > discussion

> > > over " the seven dirty

> > > words " or whether I'm going to hell for not

> > joining

> > > y'all in saying " Merry

> > > Christmas. " What I find offensive are the

> > > indignant, self-appointed morality police

> > > that have more in common with the Taliban or

> the

> > > Saudi Wahabis than they do

> > > with ANY American tradition.

> > >

> > > I'd like to remind you of a quote from the play

> > > " Inherit the Wind " regarding

> > > profanity. " There are too damned few words in

> the

> > > English language, and I

> > > intend to use every one of them. " Sorry to say,

> > > those include the " Seven Words

> > > You Can't Say On Television. "

> > >

> > > In other words, the freedoms we cherish are

> > > partially protected by those who

> > > advocate positions or say things that the rest

> of

> > us

> > > may find repugnant.

> > > F*** yeah! ;-)

> > >

> > > -Wes

> > >

> > > In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:52:15 PM Central

> > > Standard Time,

> > > simple_emt@... writes:

> > >

> > > -Wes,

> > >

> > > Me, myself and I will determine what is obscene

> to

> > > me, and the

> > > people who respond to the poll will determine

> what

> > > is offensive to

> > > them. When I signed on to the list today it told

> > me

> > > there were 1,729

> > > members. I'm willing to bet the majority could

> > > tolerate hell or

> > > damn, but would find the f word offensive, at

> > least

> > > when used in the

> > > context as it was and posted to a public list.

> > I'm

> > > willing to bet

> > > they find the new poll about morons offensive

> > too,

> > > and I'm willing

> > > to bet the same offender is responsible for

> both.

> > > The arogance is

> > > obvious. It isn't about rights, it is about

> what

> > is

> > > right. And

> > > regardless of what our friend with the New

> Jersey

> > > attidue says it

> > > isn't political correctness. It is social

> > > correctness. It is about

> > > having a little respect for your audience and

> > their

> > > sensibilities.

> > > Maybe they didn't teach respect in New Jersey

> > > schools, but they sure

> > > did in South Carolina. And I have a South

> Carolina

> >

> > > attitude.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here's my question..... who determines what

> is

> > > obscene or vulgar?

> > > For

> > > > example, some people consider " damn " or

> " hell "

> > > vulgar.

> > > >

> > > > -Wes

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM

> > Central

> > > Standard Time,

> > > > writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been

> > > created for the

> > > > group:

> > > >

> > > > Should the use of language commonly

> considered

> > > obscene or vulgar

> > > be allowed

> > > > on the Texas EMS?

> > > >

> > > > o Yes

> > > > o No

> > > > o Don't care

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To vote, please visit the following web

> page:

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Note: Please do not reply to this message.

> Poll

> > > votes are

> > > > not collected via email. To vote, you must

> go

> > to

> > > the Yahoo!

>

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> you choose to use them, remember there is a price to

> pay, either censorship or gettig to sit on some coals

> for a while.

And these are two very, very different sorts of prices.

Censorship involves a third party determining what ideas, speech and

sentiment are approrpriate, and deleting from discussion those they

feel are not. It ends the discussion without respect for any

potential respondent's opinion, rebuttal or agreement.

" Sitting on some coals for a while " is interactive - it indicates that

there are responses in disagreement with what was originally said, and

it indicates that discussion is ongoing. Maybe the original poster is

getting agreed with, maybe they're getting rebuked and chastised - but

the ideas, thoughts and expressions are still freely there.

Censorship is the selfish reaction of an uneducated mind, believing

that only through control can safety be assured - when in fact it's

just the illusion of safety - those nasty, horrible ideas

(characterized as such in the mind of the censor, that is) are still

very much present - they're just being repressed from expression.

Active dialog, on the other hand, is the hallmark of gathering an

educated, informed consensus. Discussing that which one finds

offensive - and more inportantly why one finds something offensive -

can change perspectives, create new views and birth new ideas.

It's very obvious who the scared, closed-minded people are and who the

more thoughtful, but not necessarily better or more tolerant people

are. The closed-minded stop the discussion and erase it from the

collective memory. The thoughtful post a reply - either in agreement,

disagreement or somewhere in between - and at least consider, if not

agree/disagree - with what other respondents write.

EMS is where it is because " we've always done it that way, " " there's

no other way to do that, " and because we've been allowed to believe

that ignoring problems makes them go away.

Put your towel over your head and the beast can't see you anymore

because you can't see it... right?

Mike :)

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Excellent post ...I too do not want censorship...but your advice is

extremly valuable...both for possibly inappropriate language as well as the

angry, hastily written reply...

Dudley

Re: New poll for

But the question was, who decides what is vulgar and what isn't?

Personally, I don't care what somebody else writes. I've been known to

curse like a sailor under certain conditions, but that is not my default

mode. I usually tailor my language to the people I'm around. That being

said, folks should remember that the written word is forever, and the

written word can come back to haunt you as I'm sure the lawyers on this list

can attest (as can the spoken word as some on this list can also attest).

Still, I would not want to see any censorship on this list. I would ask

however, that folks use a simple method to censor themselves. After making

a message that might inflame certain peoples sensibilities, walk away before

you send it, and then come back after a few minutes, read what you put down,

then decide if it's worth sending and receiving all the flame mail in

response. Just a suggestion. Also, remember that your boss, your

co-workers, your spouse, or your children might be reading this list.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: New poll for

>I would like to add I would rather see one " f*ck " than

> some of the mispellings and grammar errors that

> frequent this list but if every other sentence

> contains an obscenity, that is just as bad and

> ignorant.

>

> Andy Wheeler

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

>>

>> Here's my question..... who determines what is

>> obscene or vulgar? For

>> example, some people consider " damn " or " hell "

>> vulgar.

>>

>> -Wes

>>

>> In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM Central

>> Standard Time,

>> writes:

>>

>>

>> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created

>> for the

>> group:

>>

>> Should the use of language commonly considered

>> obscene or vulgar be allowed

>> on the Texas EMS?

>>

>> o Yes

>> o No

>> o Don't care

>>

>>

>> To vote, please visit the following web page:

>>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

>>

>>

>> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll

>> votes are

>> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to

>> the Yahoo! Groups

>> web site listed above.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Excellent post ...I too do not want censorship...but your advice is

extremly valuable...both for possibly inappropriate language as well as the

angry, hastily written reply...

Dudley

Re: New poll for

But the question was, who decides what is vulgar and what isn't?

Personally, I don't care what somebody else writes. I've been known to

curse like a sailor under certain conditions, but that is not my default

mode. I usually tailor my language to the people I'm around. That being

said, folks should remember that the written word is forever, and the

written word can come back to haunt you as I'm sure the lawyers on this list

can attest (as can the spoken word as some on this list can also attest).

Still, I would not want to see any censorship on this list. I would ask

however, that folks use a simple method to censor themselves. After making

a message that might inflame certain peoples sensibilities, walk away before

you send it, and then come back after a few minutes, read what you put down,

then decide if it's worth sending and receiving all the flame mail in

response. Just a suggestion. Also, remember that your boss, your

co-workers, your spouse, or your children might be reading this list.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: New poll for

>I would like to add I would rather see one " f*ck " than

> some of the mispellings and grammar errors that

> frequent this list but if every other sentence

> contains an obscenity, that is just as bad and

> ignorant.

>

> Andy Wheeler

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

>>

>> Here's my question..... who determines what is

>> obscene or vulgar? For

>> example, some people consider " damn " or " hell "

>> vulgar.

>>

>> -Wes

>>

>> In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM Central

>> Standard Time,

>> writes:

>>

>>

>> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created

>> for the

>> group:

>>

>> Should the use of language commonly considered

>> obscene or vulgar be allowed

>> on the Texas EMS?

>>

>> o Yes

>> o No

>> o Don't care

>>

>>

>> To vote, please visit the following web page:

>>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

>>

>>

>> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll

>> votes are

>> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to

>> the Yahoo! Groups

>> web site listed above.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------

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Excellent post ...I too do not want censorship...but your advice is

extremly valuable...both for possibly inappropriate language as well as the

angry, hastily written reply...

Dudley

Re: New poll for

But the question was, who decides what is vulgar and what isn't?

Personally, I don't care what somebody else writes. I've been known to

curse like a sailor under certain conditions, but that is not my default

mode. I usually tailor my language to the people I'm around. That being

said, folks should remember that the written word is forever, and the

written word can come back to haunt you as I'm sure the lawyers on this list

can attest (as can the spoken word as some on this list can also attest).

Still, I would not want to see any censorship on this list. I would ask

however, that folks use a simple method to censor themselves. After making

a message that might inflame certain peoples sensibilities, walk away before

you send it, and then come back after a few minutes, read what you put down,

then decide if it's worth sending and receiving all the flame mail in

response. Just a suggestion. Also, remember that your boss, your

co-workers, your spouse, or your children might be reading this list.

Crosby

EMT-B

Re: New poll for

>I would like to add I would rather see one " f*ck " than

> some of the mispellings and grammar errors that

> frequent this list but if every other sentence

> contains an obscenity, that is just as bad and

> ignorant.

>

> Andy Wheeler

>

> --- ExLngHrn@... wrote:

>

>>

>> Here's my question..... who determines what is

>> obscene or vulgar? For

>> example, some people consider " damn " or " hell "

>> vulgar.

>>

>> -Wes

>>

>> In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM Central

>> Standard Time,

>> writes:

>>

>>

>> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created

>> for the

>> group:

>>

>> Should the use of language commonly considered

>> obscene or vulgar be allowed

>> on the Texas EMS?

>>

>> o Yes

>> o No

>> o Don't care

>>

>>

>> To vote, please visit the following web page:

>>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

>>

>>

>> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll

>> votes are

>> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to

>> the Yahoo! Groups

>> web site listed above.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------

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Wes,

I do agree with you too...and it isn't about forcing people to fall in lock step

and all do things the way some of us " goody two shoes (I believe was the quote) "

want...I don't care...

I got a kick out of Mike's story...but it would have been as effective as yours

was using asterisks *** instead of the actual words...especially in the subject

line.

We proclaim professionalism on this list, and many of us are on this list to

exercise our noodle and have fun, lively debate with other professionals...when

this type post goes out, it reflects on all of us as professionals and it is

inappropriate (not wrong...) for this forum...

I for one cannot believe that we are willing to accept foul language over

misspelling...'cause a misspelled word is unprofessional but using foul language

is a right??? Confused on that one...

Dudley

Re: Re: New poll for

With all due respect, I think that adults have the free will to make

decisions about what's right for them. My only concern with this discussion is

that,

as of late, the EMS related conversations have been overwhelmed by those

with a social agenda -- whether it is the discussion over " the seven dirty

words " or whether I'm going to hell for not joining y'all in saying " Merry

Christmas. " What I find offensive are the indignant, self-appointed morality

police

that have more in common with the Taliban or the Saudi Wahabis than they do

with ANY American tradition.

I'd like to remind you of a quote from the play " Inherit the Wind " regarding

profanity. " There are too damned few words in the English language, and I

intend to use every one of them. " Sorry to say, those include the " Seven Words

You Can't Say On Television. "

In other words, the freedoms we cherish are partially protected by those who

advocate positions or say things that the rest of us may find repugnant.

F*** yeah! ;-)

-Wes

In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:52:15 PM Central Standard Time,

simple_emt@... writes:

-Wes,

Me, myself and I will determine what is obscene to me, and the

people who respond to the poll will determine what is offensive to

them. When I signed on to the list today it told me there were 1,729

members. I'm willing to bet the majority could tolerate hell or

damn, but would find the f word offensive, at least when used in the

context as it was and posted to a public list. I'm willing to bet

they find the new poll about morons offensive too, and I'm willing

to bet the same offender is responsible for both. The arogance is

obvious. It isn't about rights, it is about what is right. And

regardless of what our friend with the New Jersey attidue says it

isn't political correctness. It is social correctness. It is about

having a little respect for your audience and their sensibilities.

Maybe they didn't teach respect in New Jersey schools, but they sure

did in South Carolina. And I have a South Carolina attitude.

--

>

>

> Here's my question..... who determines what is obscene or vulgar?

For

> example, some people consider " damn " or " hell " vulgar.

>

> -Wes

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM Central Standard Time,

> writes:

>

>

> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the

> group:

>

> Should the use of language commonly considered obscene or vulgar

be allowed

> on the Texas EMS?

>

> o Yes

> o No

> o Don't care

>

>

> To vote, please visit the following web page:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

>

> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are

> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo!

Groups

> web site listed above.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------

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Now I am recovering from the laughter...we need to get him plugged back in

here...his debate and tirades (although often disagreed with by me) certainly

were entertaining and stretched my abilities to debate and argue with more than

" Oh yeahs " and " I feels " ....

Dudley

Re: Re: New poll for

With all due respect, I think that adults have the free will to make

decisions about what's right for them. My only concern with this discussion

is

that,

as of late, the EMS related conversations have been overwhelmed by those

with a social agenda -- whether it is the discussion over " the seven dirty

words " or whether I'm going to hell for not joining y'all in saying " Merry

Christmas. " What I find offensive are the indignant, self-appointed

morality

police

that have more in common with the Taliban or the Saudi Wahabis than they do

with ANY American tradition.

I'd like to remind you of a quote from the play " Inherit the Wind "

regarding

profanity. " There are too damned few words in the English language, and I

intend to use every one of them. " Sorry to say, those include the " Seven

Words

You Can't Say On Television. "

In other words, the freedoms we cherish are partially protected by those

who

advocate positions or say things that the rest of us may find repugnant.

F*** yeah! ;-)

-Wes

In a message dated 12/26/2005 5:52:15 PM Central Standard Time,

simple_emt@... writes:

-Wes,

Me, myself and I will determine what is obscene to me, and the

people who respond to the poll will determine what is offensive to

them. When I signed on to the list today it told me there were 1,729

members. I'm willing to bet the majority could tolerate hell or

damn, but would find the f word offensive, at least when used in the

context as it was and posted to a public list. I'm willing to bet

they find the new poll about morons offensive too, and I'm willing

to bet the same offender is responsible for both. The arogance is

obvious. It isn't about rights, it is about what is right. And

regardless of what our friend with the New Jersey attidue says it

isn't political correctness. It is social correctness. It is about

having a little respect for your audience and their sensibilities.

Maybe they didn't teach respect in New Jersey schools, but they sure

did in South Carolina. And I have a South Carolina attitude.

--

>

>

> Here's my question..... who determines what is obscene or vulgar?

For

> example, some people consider " damn " or " hell " vulgar.

>

> -Wes

>

> In a message dated 12/26/2005 3:31:14 PM Central Standard Time,

> writes:

>

>

> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the

> group:

>

> Should the use of language commonly considered obscene or vulgar

be allowed

> on the Texas EMS?

>

> o Yes

> o No

> o Don't care

>

>

> To vote, please visit the following web page:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group//surveys?id=2085673

>

> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are

> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo!

Groups

> web site listed above.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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