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In a message dated 4/13/2004 6:29:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

janajama@... writes:

IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school system

for almost ten years now

This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources for

our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources available to

us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to bring this to

the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable recommending this or

that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to feel comfortable but rather

to identify and meet the unique needs of our daughter under the law....any

suggestions?

:

Since the person that district has chosen to include for the task of

informing the team about the district's resources seems unable to make a

decision on

her own and is " uncomfortable " proceding on important points without consulting

her boss, I would request, in writing, that her boss be the one to attend all

future meetings. An excerpt from one of my letters on the same topic: " It is

inconceivable that the district would repeatedly send a representative to our

meetings who is not authorized to make decisions. Since this has happened

repeatedly, at this point we can only conclude that this is being done

intentionally as a stalling technique. " (I also used the words " forum shopping "

and

" incompetence " at some point in that letter.) Request that the head of the

Compliance Office be present at your meeting from now on since his/her appointed

represenmtative is obviously not appropriately authorized to resolve or approve

anything.

If they refuse the request, I would then contact your State Ed Dept and

complain that the district is using unprofessional stalling techniques in order

to

intentionally delay, hence deny, your child needed services. When our district

pulled such stunts, I contacted the Dept of Communication Disorders in the NY

State Ed Dept (I think that's the proper title -- I'm relying on my faulty

over-tired memory) The woman I spoke with was quite helpful, more so than I

realized at the time.

This all went on for almost 2 years. They would agree to services and then

find ways of stopping or re-defining them without altering the IEP. Our final

solution to the district " just refusing " to acknowledge that our son's hearing

loss was " educationally significant " was a lawyer. At the close of a very

unsatisfactory IEP meeting, (our 3rd or 4th in 2 months) we informed them that

this

was our last attempt to work with the district without legal counsel. We had

retained a lawyer and at 10 am the next morning we would be signing over

power-of-attorney and all future contact with the district would be made through

our lawyer. I had already arranged for him to represent us at the next meeting,

which had already been scheduled for 2 weeks later. Their game at that point

was to meeting-us-to-death and have a different cast of characters there each

time. By 5 pm that day we had everything we asked for, summarized in writing

and faxed directly to the lawyer. At that meeting they denied having confirmed

the validity of Ian's hearing loss and were demanding additional testing before

they would approve any services. Yet there was a TOD listed in his IEP and

she'd been coming to the school 3 days a week for that entire school year. It

was truly a surreal point in our history.

I truly hate dealing with school districts when they are playing these games.

Shortly after that point, our district had a major personnel upheavel and all

of the CSE related personnel were replaced. We have not had trouble since,

nothing even slightly resembling that nightmare.

Well, I've now rambled on for too long ... I wish you luck -- Jill

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In a message dated 4/13/2004 6:29:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

janajama@... writes:

IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school system

for almost ten years now

This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources for

our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources available to

us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to bring this to

the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable recommending this or

that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to feel comfortable but rather

to identify and meet the unique needs of our daughter under the law....any

suggestions?

:

Since the person that district has chosen to include for the task of

informing the team about the district's resources seems unable to make a

decision on

her own and is " uncomfortable " proceding on important points without consulting

her boss, I would request, in writing, that her boss be the one to attend all

future meetings. An excerpt from one of my letters on the same topic: " It is

inconceivable that the district would repeatedly send a representative to our

meetings who is not authorized to make decisions. Since this has happened

repeatedly, at this point we can only conclude that this is being done

intentionally as a stalling technique. " (I also used the words " forum shopping "

and

" incompetence " at some point in that letter.) Request that the head of the

Compliance Office be present at your meeting from now on since his/her appointed

represenmtative is obviously not appropriately authorized to resolve or approve

anything.

If they refuse the request, I would then contact your State Ed Dept and

complain that the district is using unprofessional stalling techniques in order

to

intentionally delay, hence deny, your child needed services. When our district

pulled such stunts, I contacted the Dept of Communication Disorders in the NY

State Ed Dept (I think that's the proper title -- I'm relying on my faulty

over-tired memory) The woman I spoke with was quite helpful, more so than I

realized at the time.

This all went on for almost 2 years. They would agree to services and then

find ways of stopping or re-defining them without altering the IEP. Our final

solution to the district " just refusing " to acknowledge that our son's hearing

loss was " educationally significant " was a lawyer. At the close of a very

unsatisfactory IEP meeting, (our 3rd or 4th in 2 months) we informed them that

this

was our last attempt to work with the district without legal counsel. We had

retained a lawyer and at 10 am the next morning we would be signing over

power-of-attorney and all future contact with the district would be made through

our lawyer. I had already arranged for him to represent us at the next meeting,

which had already been scheduled for 2 weeks later. Their game at that point

was to meeting-us-to-death and have a different cast of characters there each

time. By 5 pm that day we had everything we asked for, summarized in writing

and faxed directly to the lawyer. At that meeting they denied having confirmed

the validity of Ian's hearing loss and were demanding additional testing before

they would approve any services. Yet there was a TOD listed in his IEP and

she'd been coming to the school 3 days a week for that entire school year. It

was truly a surreal point in our history.

I truly hate dealing with school districts when they are playing these games.

Shortly after that point, our district had a major personnel upheavel and all

of the CSE related personnel were replaced. We have not had trouble since,

nothing even slightly resembling that nightmare.

Well, I've now rambled on for too long ... I wish you luck -- Jill

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In a message dated 4/13/2004 6:29:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

janajama@... writes:

IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school system

for almost ten years now

This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources for

our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources available to

us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to bring this to

the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable recommending this or

that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to feel comfortable but rather

to identify and meet the unique needs of our daughter under the law....any

suggestions?

:

Since the person that district has chosen to include for the task of

informing the team about the district's resources seems unable to make a

decision on

her own and is " uncomfortable " proceding on important points without consulting

her boss, I would request, in writing, that her boss be the one to attend all

future meetings. An excerpt from one of my letters on the same topic: " It is

inconceivable that the district would repeatedly send a representative to our

meetings who is not authorized to make decisions. Since this has happened

repeatedly, at this point we can only conclude that this is being done

intentionally as a stalling technique. " (I also used the words " forum shopping "

and

" incompetence " at some point in that letter.) Request that the head of the

Compliance Office be present at your meeting from now on since his/her appointed

represenmtative is obviously not appropriately authorized to resolve or approve

anything.

If they refuse the request, I would then contact your State Ed Dept and

complain that the district is using unprofessional stalling techniques in order

to

intentionally delay, hence deny, your child needed services. When our district

pulled such stunts, I contacted the Dept of Communication Disorders in the NY

State Ed Dept (I think that's the proper title -- I'm relying on my faulty

over-tired memory) The woman I spoke with was quite helpful, more so than I

realized at the time.

This all went on for almost 2 years. They would agree to services and then

find ways of stopping or re-defining them without altering the IEP. Our final

solution to the district " just refusing " to acknowledge that our son's hearing

loss was " educationally significant " was a lawyer. At the close of a very

unsatisfactory IEP meeting, (our 3rd or 4th in 2 months) we informed them that

this

was our last attempt to work with the district without legal counsel. We had

retained a lawyer and at 10 am the next morning we would be signing over

power-of-attorney and all future contact with the district would be made through

our lawyer. I had already arranged for him to represent us at the next meeting,

which had already been scheduled for 2 weeks later. Their game at that point

was to meeting-us-to-death and have a different cast of characters there each

time. By 5 pm that day we had everything we asked for, summarized in writing

and faxed directly to the lawyer. At that meeting they denied having confirmed

the validity of Ian's hearing loss and were demanding additional testing before

they would approve any services. Yet there was a TOD listed in his IEP and

she'd been coming to the school 3 days a week for that entire school year. It

was truly a surreal point in our history.

I truly hate dealing with school districts when they are playing these games.

Shortly after that point, our district had a major personnel upheavel and all

of the CSE related personnel were replaced. We have not had trouble since,

nothing even slightly resembling that nightmare.

Well, I've now rambled on for too long ... I wish you luck -- Jill

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IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school system

for almost ten years now

This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We are

headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources for our

school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources available to us. "

Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to bring this to the

office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable recommending this or that. " I

keep insisting that it is not up to her to feel comfortable but rather to

identify and meet the unique needs of our daughter under the law....any

suggestions?

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Read IDEA, underline it, understand it, then start finding every violation

that they are making and file a state complaint, citing the part of idea

that they are violating. See if a local advocacy center is giving lessons

on IDEA. A lot of them have grant funding to do so. Our local

ARC...Association for Retarded Children holds them semiannually and they're

terrific and free or something like $10 for 4-5 sessions. I tell you, the

squeaky wheel gets the grease and the more legitimate complaints you file,

the more they'll have to comply. Note, however, that initially, you'll get

alot of retaliation until they become afraid of you. Then it will stop and

you'll continue to get what you want though they'll still test you.

school system refusing

> IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

system

> for almost ten years now

>

>

> This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources

for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to

bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to

feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

daughter under the law....any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

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Read IDEA, underline it, understand it, then start finding every violation

that they are making and file a state complaint, citing the part of idea

that they are violating. See if a local advocacy center is giving lessons

on IDEA. A lot of them have grant funding to do so. Our local

ARC...Association for Retarded Children holds them semiannually and they're

terrific and free or something like $10 for 4-5 sessions. I tell you, the

squeaky wheel gets the grease and the more legitimate complaints you file,

the more they'll have to comply. Note, however, that initially, you'll get

alot of retaliation until they become afraid of you. Then it will stop and

you'll continue to get what you want though they'll still test you.

school system refusing

> IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

system

> for almost ten years now

>

>

> This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources

for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to

bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to

feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

daughter under the law....any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

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Read IDEA, underline it, understand it, then start finding every violation

that they are making and file a state complaint, citing the part of idea

that they are violating. See if a local advocacy center is giving lessons

on IDEA. A lot of them have grant funding to do so. Our local

ARC...Association for Retarded Children holds them semiannually and they're

terrific and free or something like $10 for 4-5 sessions. I tell you, the

squeaky wheel gets the grease and the more legitimate complaints you file,

the more they'll have to comply. Note, however, that initially, you'll get

alot of retaliation until they become afraid of you. Then it will stop and

you'll continue to get what you want though they'll still test you.

school system refusing

> IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

system

> for almost ten years now

>

>

> This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources

for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to

bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to

feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

daughter under the law....any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

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So another question. Where can you find the whole IDEA? I have tried

searching several places and I can only get portions of it. Is it on the

web anywhere in entirety? I also have a meeting coming up next week that I

need to get prepared for.

school system refusing

>

>

> > IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> > refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

> system

> > for almost ten years now

> >

> >

> > This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. "

We

> are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of

resources

> for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

> available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have

to

> bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

> recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to

> feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

> daughter under the law....any suggestions?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Where do you get a copy of IDEA though. I have looked it up on line and it is

so hard to find the section I am looking for. It is so long I can't go through

the whole thing.

school system refusing

> IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

system

> for almost ten years now

>

>

> This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources

for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to

bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to

feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

daughter under the law....any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

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Where do you get a copy of IDEA though. I have looked it up on line and it is

so hard to find the section I am looking for. It is so long I can't go through

the whole thing.

school system refusing

> IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

system

> for almost ten years now

>

>

> This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources

for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to

bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to

feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

daughter under the law....any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

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Where do you get a copy of IDEA though. I have looked it up on line and it is

so hard to find the section I am looking for. It is so long I can't go through

the whole thing.

school system refusing

> IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

system

> for almost ten years now

>

>

> This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. " We

are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of resources

for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll have to

bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her to

feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

daughter under the law....any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

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http://www.wrightslaw.com/statute.htm

You don't need all of the info as the majority of the reg pertains to

funding and reporting by school districts. The above site has the main

sections you need.

school system refusing

> >

> >

> > > IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> > > refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

> > system

> > > for almost ten years now

> > >

> > >

> > > This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. "

> We

> > are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of

> resources

> > for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

> > available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll

have

> to

> > bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

> > recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her

to

> > feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

> > daughter under the law....any suggestions?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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http://www.wrightslaw.com/statute.htm

You don't need all of the info as the majority of the reg pertains to

funding and reporting by school districts. The above site has the main

sections you need.

school system refusing

> >

> >

> > > IDEA mandates that they provide hearing aids. However, most districts

> > > refuse. Our son has had hearing aids and fm's provided by the school

> > system

> > > for almost ten years now

> > >

> > >

> > > This is the part I just don't get....when the districts " just refuse. "

> We

> > are headed into our third iep meeting and the person in charge of

> resources

> > for our school was supposed to be there " to give us info on resources

> > available to us. " Instead, she just keeps piping up with " well I'll

have

> to

> > bring this to the office of compliance....I'm just not comfortable

> > recommending this or that. " I keep insisting that it is not up to her

to

> > feel comfortable but rather to identify and meet the unique needs of our

> > daughter under the law....any suggestions?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> Where do you get a copy of IDEA though. I have looked it up on line

and it is so hard to find the section I am looking for. It is so long

I can't go through the whole thing.

>

>

You can find it at: http://www.ideapractices.org/law/index.php. You

should focus on the regulations rather than the statute as they

include more detail, and most lawyers and school systems rely on them.

You should also be aware that court and hearing officer decisions have

modified some elements of the law since the reg's were published in

1999. And, you need to see if you can find your state's laws and

regulations, try the state webb site, udually: www.state.xx.us, where

xx is the two letter abreviation for your state.

JMF

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> Where do you get a copy of IDEA though. I have looked it up on line

and it is so hard to find the section I am looking for. It is so long

I can't go through the whole thing.

>

>

You can find it at: http://www.ideapractices.org/law/index.php. You

should focus on the regulations rather than the statute as they

include more detail, and most lawyers and school systems rely on them.

You should also be aware that court and hearing officer decisions have

modified some elements of the law since the reg's were published in

1999. And, you need to see if you can find your state's laws and

regulations, try the state webb site, udually: www.state.xx.us, where

xx is the two letter abreviation for your state.

JMF

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> Where do you get a copy of IDEA though. I have looked it up on line

and it is so hard to find the section I am looking for. It is so long

I can't go through the whole thing.

>

>

You can find it at: http://www.ideapractices.org/law/index.php. You

should focus on the regulations rather than the statute as they

include more detail, and most lawyers and school systems rely on them.

You should also be aware that court and hearing officer decisions have

modified some elements of the law since the reg's were published in

1999. And, you need to see if you can find your state's laws and

regulations, try the state webb site, udually: www.state.xx.us, where

xx is the two letter abreviation for your state.

JMF

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