Re: BHR VS CONSERVE+CORMET (My sincere appologies)

[Guest guest]

All concerned----

I have to apologize to the many people I have helped over the last

year to get resurfacing. I have steered you all toward an inferior

product. My thanks must go to " Hippatient " who is kind enough to

inform us that the 's Conserve Plus won't last. You had better

all just forget the active lives you had planned. A 24 year old has

come along much too late to save me from something that " IS NOT A BHR

EQUIVELANT " I sure wish you could have talked me out of it before I

went and made such a rash move.

I know we all had so much to look forward to as active people. Now,

we had better just set back in our rocking chairs. I had so looked

forward to refereeing soccer (football) again and running but now I

find that if " you like to participate in the following(activities

enjoyed by BHR recipients):

Running Fishing Cycling Hunting

Chi Kung Power walking Yoga Horse riding

Hill walking Basket ball Motorcycling Tennis

Dry skiing Rock climbing Gym Skiing

Archery Mountain biking Paragliding Real tennis

Circuit training Fencing Skittles Squash

Weight training Clay pigeon shooting Golf Flat green bowling

Motor racing Rugby Table tennis Rowing

Water Skiing Greek dancing Walking Circle dancing

Surfing Hockey Football Tread mill

Jogging Snooker

Badminton Jiving

Aerobics Cricket Fell walking Swimming " (does this sound like an old

Tampax commercial?)

I guess I'd better stick to checkers so my hip will last fifty years.

You know so much about the BHR, so answer me what no one else will:

Who is the soccer player who played in the World Cup 98 with one?

You are now an expert, but on Jan 20 of this year, you wrote, " I

didn't fully understand the procedure and the differences between THR

and Resurfacing until i watched the animations on this page " How is

it that in a week you are the expert, the definitive testimony on

resurfacing. It is nice that you are " explaining the truth. " " I knew

nothing about this procedure until 2 weeks ago " you said in your last

post.. Well, when you have been on the board as long as some of us,

you may recognize " hype " I'm from the country and I know what

horseshit smells like...I'm sure the studies were all from

independent agencies and McMinn does want to be fair with his

competitors. I do understand that these longest lived devices, the

ones that he first put in that are still in use. Corin not McMinn

made these. If you want the 'longevity' better get a Corin, they are

the ones that have been out there the longest. WRONG!

Fully FDA approved TARA from Biopro has been on the market since the

seventies (now that's longevity). Sure, some (60% at 5-6 years) have

had a problem with Osteolysis but many are still going strong 30

years later and with today's Polyethylene and a ceramic head,

Osteolysis is nearly a non issue.

I decided after months of study on the surgeon, and still didn't know

whether the device my surgeon was using was " the best. " You took less

than two weeks to decide. I remember being impetuous as a youth.

Sometimes I still am but I don't always make up my mind and then find

evidence to support my decision. We have a President right now trying

to get a war going with reasoning like that.

If you are enamored with the idea of going to Europe, go. If you have

insurance, you risk not being reimbursed for your procedure. Things

can be lonely in Europe when you are laid open like a roast on the

table and put back together, vulnerable and far from home. But at

least you aren't getting one of those second rate devices that they

sell in the States.

Oh, and those miraculous recoveries they peddle over there…it all

depends on the shape you were in when you went into surgery. Don't

expect any major immediate miracles!

Captain Amaze_O (Conserve plus Dr Mont Dec 17, 2001

[Guest guest]

All concerned----

I have to apologize to the many people I have helped over the last

year to get resurfacing. I have steered you all toward an inferior

product. My thanks must go to " Hippatient " who is kind enough to

inform us that the 's Conserve Plus won't last. You had better

all just forget the active lives you had planned. A 24 year old has

come along much too late to save me from something that " IS NOT A BHR

EQUIVELANT " I sure wish you could have talked me out of it before I

went and made such a rash move.

I know we all had so much to look forward to as active people. Now,

we had better just set back in our rocking chairs. I had so looked

forward to refereeing soccer (football) again and running but now I

find that if " you like to participate in the following(activities

enjoyed by BHR recipients):

Running Fishing Cycling Hunting

Chi Kung Power walking Yoga Horse riding

Hill walking Basket ball Motorcycling Tennis

Dry skiing Rock climbing Gym Skiing

Archery Mountain biking Paragliding Real tennis

Circuit training Fencing Skittles Squash

Weight training Clay pigeon shooting Golf Flat green bowling

Motor racing Rugby Table tennis Rowing

Water Skiing Greek dancing Walking Circle dancing

Surfing Hockey Football Tread mill

Jogging Snooker

Badminton Jiving

Aerobics Cricket Fell walking Swimming " (does this sound like an old

Tampax commercial?)

I guess I'd better stick to checkers so my hip will last fifty years.

You know so much about the BHR, so answer me what no one else will:

Who is the soccer player who played in the World Cup 98 with one?

You are now an expert, but on Jan 20 of this year, you wrote, " I

didn't fully understand the procedure and the differences between THR

and Resurfacing until i watched the animations on this page " How is

it that in a week you are the expert, the definitive testimony on

resurfacing. It is nice that you are " explaining the truth. " " I knew

nothing about this procedure until 2 weeks ago " you said in your last

post.. Well, when you have been on the board as long as some of us,

you may recognize " hype " I'm from the country and I know what

horseshit smells like...I'm sure the studies were all from

independent agencies and McMinn does want to be fair with his

competitors. I do understand that these longest lived devices, the

ones that he first put in that are still in use. Corin not McMinn

made these. If you want the 'longevity' better get a Corin, they are

the ones that have been out there the longest. WRONG!

Fully FDA approved TARA from Biopro has been on the market since the

seventies (now that's longevity). Sure, some (60% at 5-6 years) have

had a problem with Osteolysis but many are still going strong 30

years later and with today's Polyethylene and a ceramic head,

Osteolysis is nearly a non issue.

I decided after months of study on the surgeon, and still didn't know

whether the device my surgeon was using was " the best. " You took less

than two weeks to decide. I remember being impetuous as a youth.

Sometimes I still am but I don't always make up my mind and then find

evidence to support my decision. We have a President right now trying

to get a war going with reasoning like that.

If you are enamored with the idea of going to Europe, go. If you have

insurance, you risk not being reimbursed for your procedure. Things

can be lonely in Europe when you are laid open like a roast on the

table and put back together, vulnerable and far from home. But at

least you aren't getting one of those second rate devices that they

sell in the States.

Oh, and those miraculous recoveries they peddle over there…it all

depends on the shape you were in when you went into surgery. Don't

expect any major immediate miracles!

Captain Amaze_O (Conserve plus Dr Mont Dec 17, 2001

[Guest guest]

Capt Amazo------I have no tendancies toward being that-a-way----------but I

think I may love you. I have never related to, or understood the " I can make

myself feel better about my decision, if I can make other people feel

inadequate about theirs " , mentality. I wish I had the ability to express this

feeling as eloquelently as you just did.

Thank you sir

Shef

[Guest guest]

Captain,

You're the best!!! When I logged on tonight and saw the caps and the

post that went with it I about threw up. This is at least the third

time in a year all this has been hashed and rehashed. Do you

remember when Corin reps actually came on to dispel the horror

stories that were being thrown out there by BHR fanatics? They

backed everything up that they said with unbiased studies not " hype "

that sits in abundance on the McMinn site. Now I'm not saying there

is anything wrong with a BHR, absolutely not! But you must

distinguish the BS from the facts. I don't even know the name of the

person who posted the original caps but my advice to him and to all

who are at all worried is to do a search of this site. Read

everything that has ever been written on this " controversy " . Then

come back with what you have learned to be FACTS not hype.

Yes, Cap you are amazing...

Trudy

> All concerned----

> I have to apologize to the many people I have helped over the last

> year to get resurfacing. I have steered you all toward an inferior

> product. My thanks must go to " Hippatient " who is kind enough to

> inform us that the 's Conserve Plus won't last. You had

better

> all just forget the active lives you had planned. A 24 year old has

> come along much too late to save me from something that " IS NOT A

BHR

> EQUIVELANT " I sure wish you could have talked me out of it before I

> went and made such a rash move.

> I know we all had so much to look forward to as active people. Now,

> we had better just set back in our rocking chairs. I had so looked

> forward to refereeing soccer (football) again and running but now I

> find that if " you like to participate in the following(activities

> enjoyed by BHR recipients):

> Running Fishing Cycling Hunting

> Chi Kung Power walking Yoga Horse riding

> Hill walking Basket ball Motorcycling Tennis

> Dry skiing Rock climbing Gym Skiing

> Archery Mountain biking Paragliding Real tennis

> Circuit training Fencing Skittles Squash

> Weight training Clay pigeon shooting Golf Flat green bowling

> Motor racing Rugby Table tennis Rowing

> Water Skiing Greek dancing Walking Circle dancing

> Surfing Hockey Football Tread mill

> Jogging Snooker

> Badminton Jiving

> Aerobics Cricket Fell walking Swimming " (does this sound like an

old

> Tampax commercial?)

>

> I guess I'd better stick to checkers so my hip will last fifty

years.

>

> You know so much about the BHR, so answer me what no one else will:

> Who is the soccer player who played in the World Cup 98 with one?

> You are now an expert, but on Jan 20 of this year, you wrote, " I

> didn't fully understand the procedure and the differences between

THR

> and Resurfacing until i watched the animations on this page " How is

> it that in a week you are the expert, the definitive testimony on

> resurfacing. It is nice that you are " explaining the truth. " " I

knew

> nothing about this procedure until 2 weeks ago " you said in your

last

> post.. Well, when you have been on the board as long as some of us,

> you may recognize " hype " I'm from the country and I know what

> horseshit smells like...I'm sure the studies were all from

> independent agencies and McMinn does want to be fair with his

> competitors. I do understand that these longest lived devices, the

> ones that he first put in that are still in use. Corin not McMinn

> made these. If you want the 'longevity' better get a Corin, they

are

> the ones that have been out there the longest. WRONG!

> Fully FDA approved TARA from Biopro has been on the market since

the

> seventies (now that's longevity). Sure, some (60% at 5-6 years)

have

> had a problem with Osteolysis but many are still going strong 30

> years later and with today's Polyethylene and a ceramic head,

> Osteolysis is nearly a non issue.

>

> I decided after months of study on the surgeon, and still didn't

know

> whether the device my surgeon was using was " the best. " You took

less

> than two weeks to decide. I remember being impetuous as a youth.

> Sometimes I still am but I don't always make up my mind and then

find

> evidence to support my decision. We have a President right now

trying

> to get a war going with reasoning like that.

>

> If you are enamored with the idea of going to Europe, go. If you

have

> insurance, you risk not being reimbursed for your procedure. Things

> can be lonely in Europe when you are laid open like a roast on the

> table and put back together, vulnerable and far from home. But at

> least you aren't getting one of those second rate devices that they

> sell in the States.

>

> Oh, and those miraculous recoveries they peddle over there…it all

> depends on the shape you were in when you went into surgery. Don't

> expect any major immediate miracles!

> Captain Amaze_O (Conserve plus Dr Mont Dec 17, 2001

[Guest guest]

In all fairness, I think this person only meant well and for that, I

think we should cut him some slack. He felt he had made some

important discoveries he wanted to share with others who were

struggling to decide which way to go. I think he was quite brave to

say what he had to say because he must have known it would stir up

all kinds of negative reactions. The information he presented may

have been one-sided, but it's up to each individual to research ALL

the information available to make an intelligent, informed decision.

I see nothing wrong with challenging his information and his sources,

but I don't think it's right to put him down. I guess for the health

of this board, I don't want to discourage anyone from posting his or

her opinion for fear of being judged.

Donna Goodley LBHR 11/13/02 DE SMET

> All concerned----

> I have to apologize to the many people I have helped over the last

> year to get resurfacing. I have steered you all toward an inferior

> product. My thanks must go to " Hippatient " who is kind enough to

> inform us that the 's Conserve Plus won't last. You had

better

> all just forget the active lives you had planned. A 24 year old has

> come along much too late to save me from something that " IS NOT A

BHR

> EQUIVELANT " I sure wish you could have talked me out of it before I

> went and made such a rash move.

> I know we all had so much to look forward to as active people. Now,

> we had better just set back in our rocking chairs. I had so looked

> forward to refereeing soccer (football) again and running but now I

> find that if " you like to participate in the following(activities

> enjoyed by BHR recipients):

> Running Fishing Cycling Hunting

> Chi Kung Power walking Yoga Horse riding

> Hill walking Basket ball Motorcycling Tennis

> Dry skiing Rock climbing Gym Skiing

> Archery Mountain biking Paragliding Real tennis

> Circuit training Fencing Skittles Squash

> Weight training Clay pigeon shooting Golf Flat green bowling

> Motor racing Rugby Table tennis Rowing

> Water Skiing Greek dancing Walking Circle dancing

> Surfing Hockey Football Tread mill

> Jogging Snooker

> Badminton Jiving

> Aerobics Cricket Fell walking Swimming " (does this sound like an

old

> Tampax commercial?)

>

> I guess I'd better stick to checkers so my hip will last fifty

years.

>

> You know so much about the BHR, so answer me what no one else will:

> Who is the soccer player who played in the World Cup 98 with one?

> You are now an expert, but on Jan 20 of this year, you wrote, " I

> didn't fully understand the procedure and the differences between

THR

> and Resurfacing until i watched the animations on this page " How is

> it that in a week you are the expert, the definitive testimony on

> resurfacing. It is nice that you are " explaining the truth. " " I

knew

> nothing about this procedure until 2 weeks ago " you said in your

last

> post.. Well, when you have been on the board as long as some of us,

> you may recognize " hype " I'm from the country and I know what

> horseshit smells like...I'm sure the studies were all from

> independent agencies and McMinn does want to be fair with his

> competitors. I do understand that these longest lived devices, the

> ones that he first put in that are still in use. Corin not McMinn

> made these. If you want the 'longevity' better get a Corin, they

are

> the ones that have been out there the longest. WRONG!

> Fully FDA approved TARA from Biopro has been on the market since

the

> seventies (now that's longevity). Sure, some (60% at 5-6 years)

have

> had a problem with Osteolysis but many are still going strong 30

> years later and with today's Polyethylene and a ceramic head,

> Osteolysis is nearly a non issue.

>

> I decided after months of study on the surgeon, and still didn't

know

> whether the device my surgeon was using was " the best. " You took

less

> than two weeks to decide. I remember being impetuous as a youth.

> Sometimes I still am but I don't always make up my mind and then

find

> evidence to support my decision. We have a President right now

trying

> to get a war going with reasoning like that.

>

> If you are enamored with the idea of going to Europe, go. If you

have

> insurance, you risk not being reimbursed for your procedure. Things

> can be lonely in Europe when you are laid open like a roast on the

> table and put back together, vulnerable and far from home. But at

> least you aren't getting one of those second rate devices that they

> sell in the States.

>

> Oh, and those miraculous recoveries they peddle over there…it all

> depends on the shape you were in when you went into surgery. Don't

> expect any major immediate miracles!

> Captain Amaze_O (Conserve plus Dr Mont Dec 17, 2001

[Guest guest]

> In all fairness, I think this person only meant well and for that,

I

> think we should cut him some slack. He felt he had made some

I don't want to discourage anyone from posting his or

> her opinion for fear of being judged.

>

Donna Goodley

LBHR 11/13/02 DE SMET.

Aren't we all adults here? Maybe this person did mean well and as I

posted whoever he/she is they need to go back and do some additional

research. I for one get very irritated as I said when I see this

argument come up over and over. McMinn is an excellent salesman. On

the other side of the coin; there are people here facing surgeries in

the next few days or weeks with either the C+ or the Cormet. They

need to be considered also. The last time this came up their

were " soon to be " patients living in dread that they had made the

wrong decision. I wouldn't want to go into surgery with this

feeling. I will not stop posting the need to get facts just to save

some person's feelings. I will not agree to a wrong just because

someone's feelings may be hurt. In Captain's defense you need to

learn his sense of humor. As he will attest we two used to get into

it from time to time....

Trudy

[Guest guest]

Donna

Thanks for eloquently summarising my views exactly. Such direct

contribution turned out to be more informative for someone like me who's

still trying to learn as much as possible about this new

protocol/procedure than a lot of amusing and emotional accounts about

insurance claims, significant and important as they are. Opinionated

views can often be perfect catalysts for stimulating and informed

debate. I am in no position to 'take sides' as I know next to nothing

about the options and their relative values - I feel though that I have

learned a bit through this discussion. Keep it up.

Dan Milosevic

* (07974) 981-407

* (020) 8501-2573

@ dan.milosevic@...

Re: BHR VS CONSERVE+CORMET (My sincere

appologies)

In all fairness, I think this person only meant well and for that, I

think we should cut him some slack. He felt he had made some

important discoveries he wanted to share with others who were

struggling to decide which way to go. I think he was quite brave to

say what he had to say because he must have known it would stir up

all kinds of negative reactions. The information he presented may

have been one-sided, but it's up to each individual to research ALL

the information available to make an intelligent, informed decision.

I see nothing wrong with challenging his information and his sources,

but I don't think it's right to put him down. I guess for the health

of this board, I don't want to discourage anyone from posting his or

her opinion for fear of being judged.

Donna Goodley LBHR 11/13/02 DE SMET

> All concerned----

> I have to apologize to the many people I have helped over the last

> year to get resurfacing. I have steered you all toward an inferior

> product. My thanks must go to " Hippatient " who is kind enough to

> inform us that the 's Conserve Plus won't last. You had

better

> all just forget the active lives you had planned. A 24 year old has

> come along much too late to save me from something that " IS NOT A

BHR

> EQUIVELANT " I sure wish you could have talked me out of it before I

> went and made such a rash move.

> I know we all had so much to look forward to as active people. Now,

> we had better just set back in our rocking chairs. I had so looked

> forward to refereeing soccer (football) again and running but now I

> find that if " you like to participate in the following(activities

> enjoyed by BHR recipients):

> Running Fishing Cycling Hunting

> Chi Kung Power walking Yoga Horse riding

> Hill walking Basket ball Motorcycling Tennis

> Dry skiing Rock climbing Gym Skiing

> Archery Mountain biking Paragliding Real tennis

> Circuit training Fencing Skittles Squash

> Weight training Clay pigeon shooting Golf Flat green bowling

> Motor racing Rugby Table tennis Rowing

> Water Skiing Greek dancing Walking Circle dancing

> Surfing Hockey Football Tread mill

> Jogging Snooker

> Badminton Jiving

> Aerobics Cricket Fell walking Swimming " (does this sound like an

old

> Tampax commercial?)

>

> I guess I'd better stick to checkers so my hip will last fifty

years.

>

> You know so much about the BHR, so answer me what no one else will:

> Who is the soccer player who played in the World Cup 98 with one?

> You are now an expert, but on Jan 20 of this year, you wrote, " I

> didn't fully understand the procedure and the differences between

THR

> and Resurfacing until i watched the animations on this page " How is

> it that in a week you are the expert, the definitive testimony on

> resurfacing. It is nice that you are " explaining the truth. " " I

knew

> nothing about this procedure until 2 weeks ago " you said in your

last

> post.. Well, when you have been on the board as long as some of us,

> you may recognize " hype " I'm from the country and I know what

> horseshit smells like...I'm sure the studies were all from

> independent agencies and McMinn does want to be fair with his

> competitors. I do understand that these longest lived devices, the

> ones that he first put in that are still in use. Corin not McMinn

> made these. If you want the 'longevity' better get a Corin, they

are

> the ones that have been out there the longest. WRONG!

> Fully FDA approved TARA from Biopro has been on the market since

the

> seventies (now that's longevity). Sure, some (60% at 5-6 years)

have

> had a problem with Osteolysis but many are still going strong 30

> years later and with today's Polyethylene and a ceramic head,

> Osteolysis is nearly a non issue.

>

> I decided after months of study on the surgeon, and still didn't

know

> whether the device my surgeon was using was " the best. " You took

less

> than two weeks to decide. I remember being impetuous as a youth.

> Sometimes I still am but I don't always make up my mind and then

find

> evidence to support my decision. We have a President right now

trying

> to get a war going with reasoning like that.

>

> If you are enamored with the idea of going to Europe, go. If you

have

> insurance, you risk not being reimbursed for your procedure. Things

> can be lonely in Europe when you are laid open like a roast on the

> table and put back together, vulnerable and far from home. But at

> least you aren't getting one of those second rate devices that they

> sell in the States.

>

> Oh, and those miraculous recoveries they peddle over there.it all

> depends on the shape you were in when you went into surgery. Don't

> expect any major immediate miracles!

> Captain Amaze_O (Conserve plus Dr Mont Dec 17, 2001

[Guest guest]

Donna

Thanks for eloquently summarising my views exactly. Such direct

contribution turned out to be more informative for someone like me who's

still trying to learn as much as possible about this new

protocol/procedure than a lot of amusing and emotional accounts about

insurance claims, significant and important as they are. Opinionated

views can often be perfect catalysts for stimulating and informed

debate. I am in no position to 'take sides' as I know next to nothing

about the options and their relative values - I feel though that I have

learned a bit through this discussion. Keep it up.

Dan Milosevic

* (07974) 981-407

* (020) 8501-2573

@ dan.milosevic@...

Re: BHR VS CONSERVE+CORMET (My sincere

appologies)

In all fairness, I think this person only meant well and for that, I

think we should cut him some slack. He felt he had made some

important discoveries he wanted to share with others who were

struggling to decide which way to go. I think he was quite brave to

say what he had to say because he must have known it would stir up

all kinds of negative reactions. The information he presented may

have been one-sided, but it's up to each individual to research ALL

the information available to make an intelligent, informed decision.

I see nothing wrong with challenging his information and his sources,

but I don't think it's right to put him down. I guess for the health

of this board, I don't want to discourage anyone from posting his or

her opinion for fear of being judged.

Donna Goodley LBHR 11/13/02 DE SMET

> All concerned----

> I have to apologize to the many people I have helped over the last

> year to get resurfacing. I have steered you all toward an inferior

> product. My thanks must go to " Hippatient " who is kind enough to

> inform us that the 's Conserve Plus won't last. You had

better

> all just forget the active lives you had planned. A 24 year old has

> come along much too late to save me from something that " IS NOT A

BHR

> EQUIVELANT " I sure wish you could have talked me out of it before I

> went and made such a rash move.

> I know we all had so much to look forward to as active people. Now,

> we had better just set back in our rocking chairs. I had so looked

> forward to refereeing soccer (football) again and running but now I

> find that if " you like to participate in the following(activities

> enjoyed by BHR recipients):

> Running Fishing Cycling Hunting

> Chi Kung Power walking Yoga Horse riding

> Hill walking Basket ball Motorcycling Tennis

> Dry skiing Rock climbing Gym Skiing

> Archery Mountain biking Paragliding Real tennis

> Circuit training Fencing Skittles Squash

> Weight training Clay pigeon shooting Golf Flat green bowling

> Motor racing Rugby Table tennis Rowing

> Water Skiing Greek dancing Walking Circle dancing

> Surfing Hockey Football Tread mill

> Jogging Snooker

> Badminton Jiving

> Aerobics Cricket Fell walking Swimming " (does this sound like an

old

> Tampax commercial?)

>

> I guess I'd better stick to checkers so my hip will last fifty

years.

>

> You know so much about the BHR, so answer me what no one else will:

> Who is the soccer player who played in the World Cup 98 with one?

> You are now an expert, but on Jan 20 of this year, you wrote, " I

> didn't fully understand the procedure and the differences between

THR

> and Resurfacing until i watched the animations on this page " How is

> it that in a week you are the expert, the definitive testimony on

> resurfacing. It is nice that you are " explaining the truth. " " I

knew

> nothing about this procedure until 2 weeks ago " you said in your

last

> post.. Well, when you have been on the board as long as some of us,

> you may recognize " hype " I'm from the country and I know what

> horseshit smells like...I'm sure the studies were all from

> independent agencies and McMinn does want to be fair with his

> competitors. I do understand that these longest lived devices, the

> ones that he first put in that are still in use. Corin not McMinn

> made these. If you want the 'longevity' better get a Corin, they

are

> the ones that have been out there the longest. WRONG!

> Fully FDA approved TARA from Biopro has been on the market since

the

> seventies (now that's longevity). Sure, some (60% at 5-6 years)

have

> had a problem with Osteolysis but many are still going strong 30

> years later and with today's Polyethylene and a ceramic head,

> Osteolysis is nearly a non issue.

>

> I decided after months of study on the surgeon, and still didn't

know

> whether the device my surgeon was using was " the best. " You took

less

> than two weeks to decide. I remember being impetuous as a youth.

> Sometimes I still am but I don't always make up my mind and then

find

> evidence to support my decision. We have a President right now

trying

> to get a war going with reasoning like that.

>

> If you are enamored with the idea of going to Europe, go. If you

have

> insurance, you risk not being reimbursed for your procedure. Things

> can be lonely in Europe when you are laid open like a roast on the

> table and put back together, vulnerable and far from home. But at

> least you aren't getting one of those second rate devices that they

> sell in the States.

>

> Oh, and those miraculous recoveries they peddle over there.it all

> depends on the shape you were in when you went into surgery. Don't

> expect any major immediate miracles!

> Captain Amaze_O (Conserve plus Dr Mont Dec 17, 2001

[Guest guest]

Donna

Thanks for eloquently summarising my views exactly. Such direct

contribution turned out to be more informative for someone like me who's

still trying to learn as much as possible about this new

protocol/procedure than a lot of amusing and emotional accounts about

insurance claims, significant and important as they are. Opinionated

views can often be perfect catalysts for stimulating and informed

debate. I am in no position to 'take sides' as I know next to nothing

about the options and their relative values - I feel though that I have

learned a bit through this discussion. Keep it up.

Dan Milosevic

* (07974) 981-407

* (020) 8501-2573

@ dan.milosevic@...

Re: BHR VS CONSERVE+CORMET (My sincere

appologies)

In all fairness, I think this person only meant well and for that, I

think we should cut him some slack. He felt he had made some

important discoveries he wanted to share with others who were

struggling to decide which way to go. I think he was quite brave to

say what he had to say because he must have known it would stir up

all kinds of negative reactions. The information he presented may

have been one-sided, but it's up to each individual to research ALL

the information available to make an intelligent, informed decision.

I see nothing wrong with challenging his information and his sources,

but I don't think it's right to put him down. I guess for the health

of this board, I don't want to discourage anyone from posting his or

her opinion for fear of being judged.

Donna Goodley LBHR 11/13/02 DE SMET

> All concerned----

> I have to apologize to the many people I have helped over the last

> year to get resurfacing. I have steered you all toward an inferior

> product. My thanks must go to " Hippatient " who is kind enough to

> inform us that the 's Conserve Plus won't last. You had

better

> all just forget the active lives you had planned. A 24 year old has

> come along much too late to save me from something that " IS NOT A

BHR

> EQUIVELANT " I sure wish you could have talked me out of it before I

> went and made such a rash move.

> I know we all had so much to look forward to as active people. Now,

> we had better just set back in our rocking chairs. I had so looked

> forward to refereeing soccer (football) again and running but now I

> find that if " you like to participate in the following(activities

> enjoyed by BHR recipients):

> Running Fishing Cycling Hunting

> Chi Kung Power walking Yoga Horse riding

> Hill walking Basket ball Motorcycling Tennis

> Dry skiing Rock climbing Gym Skiing

> Archery Mountain biking Paragliding Real tennis

> Circuit training Fencing Skittles Squash

> Weight training Clay pigeon shooting Golf Flat green bowling

> Motor racing Rugby Table tennis Rowing

> Water Skiing Greek dancing Walking Circle dancing

> Surfing Hockey Football Tread mill

> Jogging Snooker

> Badminton Jiving

> Aerobics Cricket Fell walking Swimming " (does this sound like an

old

> Tampax commercial?)

>

> I guess I'd better stick to checkers so my hip will last fifty

years.

>

> You know so much about the BHR, so answer me what no one else will:

> Who is the soccer player who played in the World Cup 98 with one?

> You are now an expert, but on Jan 20 of this year, you wrote, " I

> didn't fully understand the procedure and the differences between

THR

> and Resurfacing until i watched the animations on this page " How is

> it that in a week you are the expert, the definitive testimony on

> resurfacing. It is nice that you are " explaining the truth. " " I

knew

> nothing about this procedure until 2 weeks ago " you said in your

last

> post.. Well, when you have been on the board as long as some of us,

> you may recognize " hype " I'm from the country and I know what

> horseshit smells like...I'm sure the studies were all from

> independent agencies and McMinn does want to be fair with his

> competitors. I do understand that these longest lived devices, the

> ones that he first put in that are still in use. Corin not McMinn

> made these. If you want the 'longevity' better get a Corin, they

are

> the ones that have been out there the longest. WRONG!

> Fully FDA approved TARA from Biopro has been on the market since

the

> seventies (now that's longevity). Sure, some (60% at 5-6 years)

have

> had a problem with Osteolysis but many are still going strong 30

> years later and with today's Polyethylene and a ceramic head,

> Osteolysis is nearly a non issue.

>

> I decided after months of study on the surgeon, and still didn't

know

> whether the device my surgeon was using was " the best. " You took

less

> than two weeks to decide. I remember being impetuous as a youth.

> Sometimes I still am but I don't always make up my mind and then

find

> evidence to support my decision. We have a President right now

trying

> to get a war going with reasoning like that.

>

> If you are enamored with the idea of going to Europe, go. If you

have

> insurance, you risk not being reimbursed for your procedure. Things

> can be lonely in Europe when you are laid open like a roast on the

> table and put back together, vulnerable and far from home. But at

> least you aren't getting one of those second rate devices that they

> sell in the States.

>

> Oh, and those miraculous recoveries they peddle over there.it all

> depends on the shape you were in when you went into surgery. Don't

> expect any major immediate miracles!

> Captain Amaze_O (Conserve plus Dr Mont Dec 17, 2001

[Guest guest]

> All concerned----

> I have to apologize to the many people I have helped over the last

> year to get resurfacing. I have steered you all toward an inferior

> product. My thanks must go to " Hippatient " who is kind enough to

> inform us that the 's Conserve Plus won't last.

Captain-- there's a lot of intuitive appeal to MMT's postion on the

Porocast Cup. But since I'm lacking a PHD in metallurgical

engineering, that's about all I'm prepared to venture on the subject.

You, on the other hand, were going on the other day about tarring

your Birkbeiners (I wore through my last set of lignostone edges

about 1977), which in the words of an old friend of mine speaks

to " an irrational attachment to outmoded technology " . While in the

words of that same old friend (referring to mountaineering

equipment) " the best is just good enough " I expect that the equipment

differences will amount to the difference between top of the line

Campangnolo and Dura-ace (I'm on Campy), while surgical skill will

prove to be critical; the failures I've read about all seem to relate

to bone quality, placement or treatment of the femoral neck during

surgery.

Having said that I'd really like to go for a beer with anyone who can

work hip surgery and president Bush's take on Iraq into one short

paragraph, so if you're in the neighbourhood.....

All the best--Griz

You had better

> all just forget the active lives you had planned. A 24 year old has

> come along much too late to save me from something that " IS NOT A

BHR

> EQUIVELANT " I sure wish you could have talked me out of it before I

> went and made such a rash move.

> I know we all had so much to look forward to as active people. Now,

> we had better just set back in our rocking chairs. I had so looked

> forward to refereeing soccer (football) again and running but now I

> find that if " you like to participate in the following(activities

> enjoyed by BHR recipients):

> Running Fishing Cycling Hunting

> Chi Kung Power walking Yoga Horse riding

> Hill walking Basket ball Motorcycling Tennis

> Dry skiing Rock climbing Gym Skiing

> Archery Mountain biking Paragliding Real tennis

> Circuit training Fencing Skittles Squash

> Weight training Clay pigeon shooting Golf Flat green bowling

> Motor racing Rugby Table tennis Rowing

> Water Skiing Greek dancing Walking Circle dancing

> Surfing Hockey Football Tread mill

> Jogging Snooker

> Badminton Jiving

> Aerobics Cricket Fell walking Swimming " (does this sound like an

old

> Tampax commercial?)

>

> I guess I'd better stick to checkers so my hip will last fifty

years.

>

> You know so much about the BHR, so answer me what no one else will:

> Who is the soccer player who played in the World Cup 98 with one?

> You are now an expert, but on Jan 20 of this year, you wrote, " I

> didn't fully understand the procedure and the differences between

THR

> and Resurfacing until i watched the animations on this page " How is

> it that in a week you are the expert, the definitive testimony on

> resurfacing. It is nice that you are " explaining the truth. " " I

knew

> nothing about this procedure until 2 weeks ago " you said in your

last

> post.. Well, when you have been on the board as long as some of us,

> you may recognize " hype " I'm from the country and I know what

> horseshit smells like...I'm sure the studies were all from

> independent agencies and McMinn does want to be fair with his

> competitors. I do understand that these longest lived devices, the

> ones that he first put in that are still in use. Corin not McMinn

> made these. If you want the 'longevity' better get a Corin, they

are

> the ones that have been out there the longest. WRONG!

> Fully FDA approved TARA from Biopro has been on the market since

the

> seventies (now that's longevity). Sure, some (60% at 5-6 years)

have

> had a problem with Osteolysis but many are still going strong 30

> years later and with today's Polyethylene and a ceramic head,

> Osteolysis is nearly a non issue.

>

> I decided after months of study on the surgeon, and still didn't

know

> whether the device my surgeon was using was " the best. " You took

less

> than two weeks to decide. I remember being impetuous as a youth.

> Sometimes I still am but I don't always make up my mind and then

find

> evidence to support my decision. We have a President right now

trying

> to get a war going with reasoning like that.

>

> If you are enamored with the idea of going to Europe, go. If you

have

> insurance, you risk not being reimbursed for your procedure. Things

> can be lonely in Europe when you are laid open like a roast on the

> table and put back together, vulnerable and far from home. But at

> least you aren't getting one of those second rate devices that they

> sell in the States.

>

> Oh, and those miraculous recoveries they peddle over there…it all

> depends on the shape you were in when you went into surgery. Don't

> expect any major immediate miracles!

> Captain Amaze_O (Conserve plus Dr Mont Dec 17, 2001

[Guest guest]

This is complete horse crap! The twenty something year old provoked

all of you, not to make anyone feel inadequate but rather to gain

information. The pro of this website is that it is a wonderful source

of information, the downside is that there are many surfers who take

it all as gospel instead of the catalyst for open discussion that it

is. You see, there it is again.... I hesitated in using the word

surfer..maybe I should have said pre-surfer just to keep all

the " real " surfers happy.

> Capt Amazo------I have no tendancies toward being that-a-way--------

--but I

> think I may love you. I have never related to, or understood

the " I can make

> myself feel better about my decision, if I can make other people

feel

> inadequate about theirs " , mentality. I wish I had the ability to

express this

> feeling as eloquelently as you just did.

> Thank you sir

> Shef

>

>

>