Re: Getting Enough Calcium?

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

> Question: Is my son getting enough calcium/mag? He is 16 months

and

> I still nurse him.

From what I've read about breastmilk it will take the calcium and

magnesium from you to ensure that the breastmilks " quality " is

there. Although there's less calcium in breastmilk it is more

*bioavailable* to the baby. Twice the amount of calcium is absorbed

through breastmilk than cow's milk. (As an aside, an interesting

fact was that even if while producing breastmilk your calcium stores

are tapped into once you a baby starts to eat solids , by the time

they are twelve months old, your bones will have recover their

density and should be stronger than before having children.) You

can help prevent even a temporary drop by making sure you have a

good supply of all vitamins and minerals; preferably through diet

but by using a good multivitamin/mineral if necessary)

> He doesn't like the goat yogurt so far and won't

> really eat it much.

How about making smoothies? Sometimes by changing the presentation

of a certain food helps. My son won't eat yogurt from a bowl, mixed

with fruit and honey but loves yogurt smoothies made of exactly the

same food.

> We do eat goat cheese, but are currently out of

> it at the moment. He is down to nursing 2 or 3 times a day now.

We

> don't do any other milk or anything.

>

> Question:

>

> Would goat milk be okay for him to drink, since he is getting

lactose

> in my own milk, or does he even need it at all? (I know it is not

> SCD legal) He has been SCD since he was about 8 months old, and

> didn't seem to have any intestinal issues prior to that. He

doesn't

> seem to have a problem with my own breastmilk, obviously. I am

just

> concerned, because somewhere I read that a toddler needs anywhere

> from 16-24 oz of milk a day. Is this right?

Remember from above that his calcium needs will be met through your

breastmilk. So, you are supplementing him the cheese. I really

wouldn't suggest drinking the goat's milk. It will be full of

lactose that is not broken down. That's part of the beauty of the

yogurt - it is broken down by those wonderful little bacteria and

will have lots of great enzymes etc. The other recommendations

about cow's milk for toddlers etc. also usually suggest whole milk.

The fat in the milk is important for brain development. So,

contrary to poular thoughts at the moment " fat " is not a bad thing.

As children get a little older they don't need as much fat in their

diet. I am not sure of the exact ages when it is traditionally

suggested that they can move on to 2% milk etc. I still give my

kids (5yo and 7 yo) yogurt made from whole milk cause they like it.

I am sure my boys don't

> get that obviously, even from the yogurt or cheese.

In yogurt the calcium is also more bioavailable than in milk alone.

I am not sure of the exact numbers. I think they'd have to be

checked in a lab since all the numbers currently in research come

fom yogurt that is not fully fermented like SCD yogurt. I 'd expect

our yogurt has an even higher amount of calcium, magnesium etc. that

is absorbed into the body.

> We are building

> up to about a cup a day for my oldest, but the little one will

hardly

> touch it. It is too runny for him, maybe. So that concerns me.

> Do I need to make sure and give him the calcium powder?

I doubt it.

I have been

> slacking on it. Thanks a lot for any info! What about magnesium?

>

> Also, since I may be deficient in so vitamins or minerals, could

that

> be affecting him?

Nope. The breastmilk will pull it out of your body if it is not

found in your diet. So, it is far more important to your health

that you ensure your body is fueled with the right stuff.

> His appetite is just not that big right now, but

> he seems to be growing okay. He seems a little weak though, and

he

> has a very short stature.

Kids normally go through fits and starts with their appetite.

Tina, here are some interesting links on the topic :

http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vitamins/calcium.html#bf

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?

tname=nutrient & dbid=115#formindietarysupplements

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/cc/zinc.pdf

http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/1875.html

If there any lactation experts on the board I'd love to hear from

them.

hth,

Sheila 46 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

mom of SCD 31 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

> Question: Is my son getting enough calcium/mag? He is 16 months

and

> I still nurse him.

From what I've read about breastmilk it will take the calcium and

magnesium from you to ensure that the breastmilks " quality " is

there. Although there's less calcium in breastmilk it is more

*bioavailable* to the baby. Twice the amount of calcium is absorbed

through breastmilk than cow's milk. (As an aside, an interesting

fact was that even if while producing breastmilk your calcium stores

are tapped into once you a baby starts to eat solids , by the time

they are twelve months old, your bones will have recover their

density and should be stronger than before having children.) You

can help prevent even a temporary drop by making sure you have a

good supply of all vitamins and minerals; preferably through diet

but by using a good multivitamin/mineral if necessary)

> He doesn't like the goat yogurt so far and won't

> really eat it much.

How about making smoothies? Sometimes by changing the presentation

of a certain food helps. My son won't eat yogurt from a bowl, mixed

with fruit and honey but loves yogurt smoothies made of exactly the

same food.

> We do eat goat cheese, but are currently out of

> it at the moment. He is down to nursing 2 or 3 times a day now.

We

> don't do any other milk or anything.

>

> Question:

>

> Would goat milk be okay for him to drink, since he is getting

lactose

> in my own milk, or does he even need it at all? (I know it is not

> SCD legal) He has been SCD since he was about 8 months old, and

> didn't seem to have any intestinal issues prior to that. He

doesn't

> seem to have a problem with my own breastmilk, obviously. I am

just

> concerned, because somewhere I read that a toddler needs anywhere

> from 16-24 oz of milk a day. Is this right?

Remember from above that his calcium needs will be met through your

breastmilk. So, you are supplementing him the cheese. I really

wouldn't suggest drinking the goat's milk. It will be full of

lactose that is not broken down. That's part of the beauty of the

yogurt - it is broken down by those wonderful little bacteria and

will have lots of great enzymes etc. The other recommendations

about cow's milk for toddlers etc. also usually suggest whole milk.

The fat in the milk is important for brain development. So,

contrary to poular thoughts at the moment " fat " is not a bad thing.

As children get a little older they don't need as much fat in their

diet. I am not sure of the exact ages when it is traditionally

suggested that they can move on to 2% milk etc. I still give my

kids (5yo and 7 yo) yogurt made from whole milk cause they like it.

I am sure my boys don't

> get that obviously, even from the yogurt or cheese.

In yogurt the calcium is also more bioavailable than in milk alone.

I am not sure of the exact numbers. I think they'd have to be

checked in a lab since all the numbers currently in research come

fom yogurt that is not fully fermented like SCD yogurt. I 'd expect

our yogurt has an even higher amount of calcium, magnesium etc. that

is absorbed into the body.

> We are building

> up to about a cup a day for my oldest, but the little one will

hardly

> touch it. It is too runny for him, maybe. So that concerns me.

> Do I need to make sure and give him the calcium powder?

I doubt it.

I have been

> slacking on it. Thanks a lot for any info! What about magnesium?

>

> Also, since I may be deficient in so vitamins or minerals, could

that

> be affecting him?

Nope. The breastmilk will pull it out of your body if it is not

found in your diet. So, it is far more important to your health

that you ensure your body is fueled with the right stuff.

> His appetite is just not that big right now, but

> he seems to be growing okay. He seems a little weak though, and

he

> has a very short stature.

Kids normally go through fits and starts with their appetite.

Tina, here are some interesting links on the topic :

http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vitamins/calcium.html#bf

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?

tname=nutrient & dbid=115#formindietarysupplements

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/cc/zinc.pdf

http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/1875.html

If there any lactation experts on the board I'd love to hear from

them.

hth,

Sheila 46 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

mom of SCD 31 mos

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

> Question: Is my son getting enough calcium/mag? He is 16 months

and

> I still nurse him.

From what I've read about breastmilk it will take the calcium and

magnesium from you to ensure that the breastmilks " quality " is

there. Although there's less calcium in breastmilk it is more

*bioavailable* to the baby. Twice the amount of calcium is absorbed

through breastmilk than cow's milk. (As an aside, an interesting

fact was that even if while producing breastmilk your calcium stores

are tapped into once you a baby starts to eat solids , by the time

they are twelve months old, your bones will have recover their

density and should be stronger than before having children.) You

can help prevent even a temporary drop by making sure you have a

good supply of all vitamins and minerals; preferably through diet

but by using a good multivitamin/mineral if necessary)

> He doesn't like the goat yogurt so far and won't

> really eat it much.

How about making smoothies? Sometimes by changing the presentation

of a certain food helps. My son won't eat yogurt from a bowl, mixed

with fruit and honey but loves yogurt smoothies made of exactly the

same food.

> We do eat goat cheese, but are currently out of

> it at the moment. He is down to nursing 2 or 3 times a day now.

We

> don't do any other milk or anything.

>

> Question:

>

> Would goat milk be okay for him to drink, since he is getting

lactose

> in my own milk, or does he even need it at all? (I know it is not

> SCD legal) He has been SCD since he was about 8 months old, and

> didn't seem to have any intestinal issues prior to that. He

doesn't

> seem to have a problem with my own breastmilk, obviously. I am

just

> concerned, because somewhere I read that a toddler needs anywhere

> from 16-24 oz of milk a day. Is this right?

Remember from above that his calcium needs will be met through your

breastmilk. So, you are supplementing him the cheese. I really

wouldn't suggest drinking the goat's milk. It will be full of

lactose that is not broken down. That's part of the beauty of the

yogurt - it is broken down by those wonderful little bacteria and

will have lots of great enzymes etc. The other recommendations

about cow's milk for toddlers etc. also usually suggest whole milk.

The fat in the milk is important for brain development. So,

contrary to poular thoughts at the moment " fat " is not a bad thing.

As children get a little older they don't need as much fat in their

diet. I am not sure of the exact ages when it is traditionally

suggested that they can move on to 2% milk etc. I still give my

kids (5yo and 7 yo) yogurt made from whole milk cause they like it.

I am sure my boys don't

> get that obviously, even from the yogurt or cheese.

In yogurt the calcium is also more bioavailable than in milk alone.

I am not sure of the exact numbers. I think they'd have to be

checked in a lab since all the numbers currently in research come

fom yogurt that is not fully fermented like SCD yogurt. I 'd expect

our yogurt has an even higher amount of calcium, magnesium etc. that

is absorbed into the body.

> We are building

> up to about a cup a day for my oldest, but the little one will

hardly

> touch it. It is too runny for him, maybe. So that concerns me.

> Do I need to make sure and give him the calcium powder?

I doubt it.

I have been

> slacking on it. Thanks a lot for any info! What about magnesium?

>

> Also, since I may be deficient in so vitamins or minerals, could

that

> be affecting him?

Nope. The breastmilk will pull it out of your body if it is not

found in your diet. So, it is far more important to your health

that you ensure your body is fueled with the right stuff.

> His appetite is just not that big right now, but

> he seems to be growing okay. He seems a little weak though, and

he

> has a very short stature.

Kids normally go through fits and starts with their appetite.

Tina, here are some interesting links on the topic :

http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vitamins/calcium.html#bf

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?

tname=nutrient & dbid=115#formindietarysupplements

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/cc/zinc.pdf

http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/1875.html

If there any lactation experts on the board I'd love to hear from

them.

hth,

Sheila 46 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

mom of SCD 31 mos

[Guest guest]

Wow, thank you sooo much Sheila. I feel so much better now. It

makes sense. I just need to ensure that I am getting enough in my

diet myself. I really don't think I get enough iron at all, so that

may really be an issue. I have been taking 1 tablet of magnesium

citrate in the morning, but it makes my stools very loose, so I don't

know how good that is. I have fine stools otherwise. I should

probably stop that then, huh?

Thanks again for the info. I appreciate your time.

Tina

>

> Hi Tina,

>

> > Question: Is my son getting enough calcium/mag? He is 16 months

> and

> > I still nurse him.

>

> From what I've read about breastmilk it will take the calcium and

> magnesium from you to ensure that the breastmilks " quality " is

> there. Although there's less calcium in breastmilk it is more

> *bioavailable* to the baby. Twice the amount of calcium is absorbed

> through breastmilk than cow's milk. (As an aside, an interesting

> fact was that even if while producing breastmilk your calcium

stores

> are tapped into once you a baby starts to eat solids , by the time

> they are twelve months old, your bones will have recover their

> density and should be stronger than before having children.) You

> can help prevent even a temporary drop by making sure you have a

> good supply of all vitamins and minerals; preferably through diet

> but by using a good multivitamin/mineral if necessary)

>

> > He doesn't like the goat yogurt so far and won't

> > really eat it much.

>

> How about making smoothies? Sometimes by changing the presentation

> of a certain food helps. My son won't eat yogurt from a bowl,

mixed

> with fruit and honey but loves yogurt smoothies made of exactly the

> same food.

>

> > We do eat goat cheese, but are currently out of

> > it at the moment. He is down to nursing 2 or 3 times a day now.

> We

> > don't do any other milk or anything.

> >

> > Question:

> >

> > Would goat milk be okay for him to drink, since he is getting

> lactose

> > in my own milk, or does he even need it at all? (I know it is

not

> > SCD legal) He has been SCD since he was about 8 months old, and

> > didn't seem to have any intestinal issues prior to that. He

> doesn't

> > seem to have a problem with my own breastmilk, obviously. I am

> just

> > concerned, because somewhere I read that a toddler needs anywhere

> > from 16-24 oz of milk a day. Is this right?

>

> Remember from above that his calcium needs will be met through your

> breastmilk. So, you are supplementing him the cheese. I really

> wouldn't suggest drinking the goat's milk. It will be full of

> lactose that is not broken down. That's part of the beauty of the

> yogurt - it is broken down by those wonderful little bacteria and

> will have lots of great enzymes etc. The other recommendations

> about cow's milk for toddlers etc. also usually suggest whole

milk.

> The fat in the milk is important for brain development. So,

> contrary to poular thoughts at the moment " fat " is not a bad

thing.

> As children get a little older they don't need as much fat in their

> diet. I am not sure of the exact ages when it is traditionally

> suggested that they can move on to 2% milk etc. I still give my

> kids (5yo and 7 yo) yogurt made from whole milk cause they like it.

>

> I am sure my boys don't

> > get that obviously, even from the yogurt or cheese.

>

> In yogurt the calcium is also more bioavailable than in milk

alone.

> I am not sure of the exact numbers. I think they'd have to be

> checked in a lab since all the numbers currently in research come

> fom yogurt that is not fully fermented like SCD yogurt. I 'd

expect

> our yogurt has an even higher amount of calcium, magnesium etc.

that

> is absorbed into the body.

>

> > We are building

> > up to about a cup a day for my oldest, but the little one will

> hardly

> > touch it. It is too runny for him, maybe. So that concerns me.

>

> > Do I need to make sure and give him the calcium powder?

>

> I doubt it.

>

> I have been

> > slacking on it. Thanks a lot for any info! What about magnesium?

> >

> > Also, since I may be deficient in so vitamins or minerals, could

> that

> > be affecting him?

>

> Nope. The breastmilk will pull it out of your body if it is not

> found in your diet. So, it is far more important to your health

> that you ensure your body is fueled with the right stuff.

>

> > His appetite is just not that big right now, but

> > he seems to be growing okay. He seems a little weak though, and

> he

> > has a very short stature.

>

> Kids normally go through fits and starts with their appetite.

>

>

> Tina, here are some interesting links on the topic :

> http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vitamins/calcium.html#bf

> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?

> tname=nutrient & dbid=115#formindietarysupplements

> http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/cc/zinc.pdf

> http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/1875.html

>

> If there any lactation experts on the board I'd love to hear from

> them.

>

> hth,

> Sheila 46 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

> mom of SCD 31 mos

[Guest guest]

Wow, thank you sooo much Sheila. I feel so much better now. It

makes sense. I just need to ensure that I am getting enough in my

diet myself. I really don't think I get enough iron at all, so that

may really be an issue. I have been taking 1 tablet of magnesium

citrate in the morning, but it makes my stools very loose, so I don't

know how good that is. I have fine stools otherwise. I should

probably stop that then, huh?

Thanks again for the info. I appreciate your time.

Tina

>

> Hi Tina,

>

> > Question: Is my son getting enough calcium/mag? He is 16 months

> and

> > I still nurse him.

>

> From what I've read about breastmilk it will take the calcium and

> magnesium from you to ensure that the breastmilks " quality " is

> there. Although there's less calcium in breastmilk it is more

> *bioavailable* to the baby. Twice the amount of calcium is absorbed

> through breastmilk than cow's milk. (As an aside, an interesting

> fact was that even if while producing breastmilk your calcium

stores

> are tapped into once you a baby starts to eat solids , by the time

> they are twelve months old, your bones will have recover their

> density and should be stronger than before having children.) You

> can help prevent even a temporary drop by making sure you have a

> good supply of all vitamins and minerals; preferably through diet

> but by using a good multivitamin/mineral if necessary)

>

> > He doesn't like the goat yogurt so far and won't

> > really eat it much.

>

> How about making smoothies? Sometimes by changing the presentation

> of a certain food helps. My son won't eat yogurt from a bowl,

mixed

> with fruit and honey but loves yogurt smoothies made of exactly the

> same food.

>

> > We do eat goat cheese, but are currently out of

> > it at the moment. He is down to nursing 2 or 3 times a day now.

> We

> > don't do any other milk or anything.

> >

> > Question:

> >

> > Would goat milk be okay for him to drink, since he is getting

> lactose

> > in my own milk, or does he even need it at all? (I know it is

not

> > SCD legal) He has been SCD since he was about 8 months old, and

> > didn't seem to have any intestinal issues prior to that. He

> doesn't

> > seem to have a problem with my own breastmilk, obviously. I am

> just

> > concerned, because somewhere I read that a toddler needs anywhere

> > from 16-24 oz of milk a day. Is this right?

>

> Remember from above that his calcium needs will be met through your

> breastmilk. So, you are supplementing him the cheese. I really

> wouldn't suggest drinking the goat's milk. It will be full of

> lactose that is not broken down. That's part of the beauty of the

> yogurt - it is broken down by those wonderful little bacteria and

> will have lots of great enzymes etc. The other recommendations

> about cow's milk for toddlers etc. also usually suggest whole

milk.

> The fat in the milk is important for brain development. So,

> contrary to poular thoughts at the moment " fat " is not a bad

thing.

> As children get a little older they don't need as much fat in their

> diet. I am not sure of the exact ages when it is traditionally

> suggested that they can move on to 2% milk etc. I still give my

> kids (5yo and 7 yo) yogurt made from whole milk cause they like it.

>

> I am sure my boys don't

> > get that obviously, even from the yogurt or cheese.

>

> In yogurt the calcium is also more bioavailable than in milk

alone.

> I am not sure of the exact numbers. I think they'd have to be

> checked in a lab since all the numbers currently in research come

> fom yogurt that is not fully fermented like SCD yogurt. I 'd

expect

> our yogurt has an even higher amount of calcium, magnesium etc.

that

> is absorbed into the body.

>

> > We are building

> > up to about a cup a day for my oldest, but the little one will

> hardly

> > touch it. It is too runny for him, maybe. So that concerns me.

>

> > Do I need to make sure and give him the calcium powder?

>

> I doubt it.

>

> I have been

> > slacking on it. Thanks a lot for any info! What about magnesium?

> >

> > Also, since I may be deficient in so vitamins or minerals, could

> that

> > be affecting him?

>

> Nope. The breastmilk will pull it out of your body if it is not

> found in your diet. So, it is far more important to your health

> that you ensure your body is fueled with the right stuff.

>

> > His appetite is just not that big right now, but

> > he seems to be growing okay. He seems a little weak though, and

> he

> > has a very short stature.

>

> Kids normally go through fits and starts with their appetite.

>

>

> Tina, here are some interesting links on the topic :

> http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vitamins/calcium.html#bf

> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?

> tname=nutrient & dbid=115#formindietarysupplements

> http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/cc/zinc.pdf

> http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/1875.html

>

> If there any lactation experts on the board I'd love to hear from

> them.

>

> hth,

> Sheila 46 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

> mom of SCD 31 mos

[Guest guest]

Tina,

Magnesium citrate is the form of magnesium that people use to

loosen stools intentionally.

Try taking a different form of magnesium and that should help.

Jody

mom to -5 and -8

SCD 22 months

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

> I really don't think I get enough iron at all, so that

> may really be an issue.

Iron supplements aren't good for the gut (usually encourage the

baddies to proliferate). Better to up your intake of iron rich

foods. Liver, pate, leafy greens if you tolerate them with some

vitamin C to aid uptake of iron. My choice - pate with diluted

juice.

I have been taking 1 tablet of magnesium

> citrate in the morning, but it makes my stools very loose, so I

don't

> know how good that is. I have fine stools otherwise. I should

> probably stop that then, huh?

If not stop, at least break it in half (if possible) and see if that

helps. Depending on what you eat and how your stools are you may be

getting enough from food.

Sheila 46 mos SCD, 20 yrs UC

mom of SCD 31 mos

[Guest guest]

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/articles/calcium101.pdf

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http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/articles/calcium101.pdf

Marla

Question: Is my son getting enough calcium/mag?