Re: can vitamins or magnesium make afib worse?

[Guest guest]

> I'm wondering if anyone has had magnesium or multivitamin/mineral

> tablets make afib worse?

>

> I'm supposed to start both, and I'm asking so I'll know whether to

> phase them in and watch for a downside, or just go for it.

Currently

> I'm having 50% good days and 50% bad days, so it is hard to sort

> things out.

>

> Thanks.

For years I've taken Folic Acid, B6 & B12 to lower my homocysteine

levels (dropped from 22 to 7.5) with no side effects. A few years

ago I added coQ10 and fish oil. Least year I added chelated

magnesium. I was having a lot of ectopics at the time and was really

relieved when they completely stopped after adding the magnesium.

Unfortunately taking those supplements did not prevent me from going

into chronic (24/7) afib this past January. After six weeks, I

decided to go on Flecainide which has kept me in nsr. While I'm not

suggesting that they contributed to my going chronic I think it's

difficult to say what might happen for any given individual - the

nature of afib seems to vary so greatly from person to person (hence

the difficulty in finding an overall effective treatment).

[Guest guest]

> I'm wondering if anyone has had magnesium or multivitamin/mineral

> tablets make afib worse?

>

> I'm supposed to start both, and I'm asking so I'll know whether to

> phase them in and watch for a downside, or just go for it.

Currently

> I'm having 50% good days and 50% bad days, so it is hard to sort

> things out.

>

> Thanks.

For years I've taken Folic Acid, B6 & B12 to lower my homocysteine

levels (dropped from 22 to 7.5) with no side effects. A few years

ago I added coQ10 and fish oil. Least year I added chelated

magnesium. I was having a lot of ectopics at the time and was really

relieved when they completely stopped after adding the magnesium.

Unfortunately taking those supplements did not prevent me from going

into chronic (24/7) afib this past January. After six weeks, I

decided to go on Flecainide which has kept me in nsr. While I'm not

suggesting that they contributed to my going chronic I think it's

difficult to say what might happen for any given individual - the

nature of afib seems to vary so greatly from person to person (hence

the difficulty in finding an overall effective treatment).

[Guest guest]

> I'm wondering if anyone has had magnesium or multivitamin/mineral

> tablets make afib worse?

>

> I'm supposed to start both, and I'm asking so I'll know whether to

> phase them in and watch for a downside, or just go for it.

Currently

> I'm having 50% good days and 50% bad days, so it is hard to sort

> things out.

>

> Thanks.

For years I've taken Folic Acid, B6 & B12 to lower my homocysteine

levels (dropped from 22 to 7.5) with no side effects. A few years

ago I added coQ10 and fish oil. Least year I added chelated

magnesium. I was having a lot of ectopics at the time and was really

relieved when they completely stopped after adding the magnesium.

Unfortunately taking those supplements did not prevent me from going

into chronic (24/7) afib this past January. After six weeks, I

decided to go on Flecainide which has kept me in nsr. While I'm not

suggesting that they contributed to my going chronic I think it's

difficult to say what might happen for any given individual - the

nature of afib seems to vary so greatly from person to person (hence

the difficulty in finding an overall effective treatment).

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/9/04 5:46:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

john_s2385@... writes:

> From my experience I would suggest that everyone who has afib, (and

> no other extenuating problems), try to increase magnesium in their

> diet and see if there is improvements or not. I for one find it

> really helped me a lot.

>

Thank you for that insightful personal study. You are a Pro-active A

Fibber for sure. Thank you.

Rich O

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/9/04 5:46:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

john_s2385@... writes:

> From my experience I would suggest that everyone who has afib, (and

> no other extenuating problems), try to increase magnesium in their

> diet and see if there is improvements or not. I for one find it

> really helped me a lot.

>

Thank you for that insightful personal study. You are a Pro-active A

Fibber for sure. Thank you.

Rich O

[Guest guest]

Up until six months ago my general opinion of vitamin and mineral

supplements was that of skepticism. After reading in this group some

endorsements about magnesium making their afib better I really

researched the subject. I found a lot of data about the relationship

of intracellular conduction of electricial signals effecting the

heart muscle. So I thought I'd give that supplement a trial and see

if there was any benefit to my own particular condition. Within two

weeks I noticed a reduction, (not elimination), of my previous afib

episodes and the duration and severity of those that I've had since.

Now I take at least 250 mg/ x 2 per day of Mg Oxide, the cheapest

available. I settled on that amount after trial and error. Any more

than that for me and the laxative effects become a problem. I've

tried other forms of magnesium, ie. citrate, sulfate (Epsom salts),

etc., but they all work equally as good as far as I'm concerned. I

try not to take the Mg at the same times as I take my normal other

medications just in case there is an interaction.

I have stayed away from taking any multi-vitamin combinations because

I ran into trouble with various ingredients in them causing my

normal, stable INR readings to be affected. I tried additional

potassium supplements also and after having a general blood screening

done after several months of trial with that element I found my

potassium level was too high so I cut back on that one. Since I go

in once a month for a pro-time (PT) because of the warfarin

protection it was fairly easy with my health care provider to have

them tack on a basic blood screening at the same time.

From my experience I would suggest that everyone who has afib, (and

no other extenuating problems), try to increase magnesium in their

diet and see if there is improvements or not. I for one find it

really helped me a lot.

S.

> I'm wondering if anyone has had magnesium or multivitamin/mineral

> tablets make afib worse?

[Guest guest]

Up until six months ago my general opinion of vitamin and mineral

supplements was that of skepticism. After reading in this group some

endorsements about magnesium making their afib better I really

researched the subject. I found a lot of data about the relationship

of intracellular conduction of electricial signals effecting the

heart muscle. So I thought I'd give that supplement a trial and see

if there was any benefit to my own particular condition. Within two

weeks I noticed a reduction, (not elimination), of my previous afib

episodes and the duration and severity of those that I've had since.

Now I take at least 250 mg/ x 2 per day of Mg Oxide, the cheapest

available. I settled on that amount after trial and error. Any more

than that for me and the laxative effects become a problem. I've

tried other forms of magnesium, ie. citrate, sulfate (Epsom salts),

etc., but they all work equally as good as far as I'm concerned. I

try not to take the Mg at the same times as I take my normal other

medications just in case there is an interaction.

I have stayed away from taking any multi-vitamin combinations because

I ran into trouble with various ingredients in them causing my

normal, stable INR readings to be affected. I tried additional

potassium supplements also and after having a general blood screening

done after several months of trial with that element I found my

potassium level was too high so I cut back on that one. Since I go

in once a month for a pro-time (PT) because of the warfarin

protection it was fairly easy with my health care provider to have

them tack on a basic blood screening at the same time.

From my experience I would suggest that everyone who has afib, (and

no other extenuating problems), try to increase magnesium in their

diet and see if there is improvements or not. I for one find it

really helped me a lot.

S.

> I'm wondering if anyone has had magnesium or multivitamin/mineral

> tablets make afib worse?

[Guest guest]

> I'm wondering if anyone has had magnesium or multivitamin/mineral

> tablets make afib worse?

>

> _________________________________________________________________

I'm sure they can. If supplying the body with everything that it

needs can make it better, then I'm sure that supplying it with too

much of any given nutrient can upset the balance.

I eliminated Af about 10 months ago by adding the RDA of magnesium

and calcium to my diet along with about 1/3 the RDA of potassium

daily. I know it's rare to get these kind of results with

supplements, but it was worth the risk for me.

Otis Price

[Guest guest]

Sorry Haze, I can't remember what some of the other contents of the

long list of supplements I was reading off to the Anticoagulant Nurse

at my health care provider(Kaiser), were. But other than the 'K'

which this particular multi-vitamin didn't have, I'm sure that I

could have adjusted my warfarin intake to compensate for any

variation above or below the 2.0 to 3.0 INR range. It is just that I

didn't feel it was worth the effort to 'fine tune' my usually very

stable readings for the sake of a generalized multi-vitamin. I

thought the best way was the individual items...one at a time. That

way I felt I had more control over the whole situation.

Being a hunter, I used the analogy of using a rifle instead of a

shotgun. The multi-vitamin was the shotgun, blasting a lot in many

directions in hopes of hitting your target. The rifle was to be

carefully aimed and meant to hit only one particular thing. To

continue the analogy in a humorous tone...much less blood using a

rifle. ;-)

S.

> Apart from Vitamin K , are you able to remember what other

vitamins/minerals

> in a combined supplement made a change in your INR ?

>

> Haze

[Guest guest]

Sorry Haze, I can't remember what some of the other contents of the

long list of supplements I was reading off to the Anticoagulant Nurse

at my health care provider(Kaiser), were. But other than the 'K'

which this particular multi-vitamin didn't have, I'm sure that I

could have adjusted my warfarin intake to compensate for any

variation above or below the 2.0 to 3.0 INR range. It is just that I

didn't feel it was worth the effort to 'fine tune' my usually very

stable readings for the sake of a generalized multi-vitamin. I

thought the best way was the individual items...one at a time. That

way I felt I had more control over the whole situation.

Being a hunter, I used the analogy of using a rifle instead of a

shotgun. The multi-vitamin was the shotgun, blasting a lot in many

directions in hopes of hitting your target. The rifle was to be

carefully aimed and meant to hit only one particular thing. To

continue the analogy in a humorous tone...much less blood using a

rifle. ;-)

S.

> Apart from Vitamin K , are you able to remember what other

vitamins/minerals

> in a combined supplement made a change in your INR ?

>

> Haze

[Guest guest]

Sorry Haze, I can't remember what some of the other contents of the

long list of supplements I was reading off to the Anticoagulant Nurse

at my health care provider(Kaiser), were. But other than the 'K'

which this particular multi-vitamin didn't have, I'm sure that I

could have adjusted my warfarin intake to compensate for any

variation above or below the 2.0 to 3.0 INR range. It is just that I

didn't feel it was worth the effort to 'fine tune' my usually very

stable readings for the sake of a generalized multi-vitamin. I

thought the best way was the individual items...one at a time. That

way I felt I had more control over the whole situation.

Being a hunter, I used the analogy of using a rifle instead of a

shotgun. The multi-vitamin was the shotgun, blasting a lot in many

directions in hopes of hitting your target. The rifle was to be

carefully aimed and meant to hit only one particular thing. To

continue the analogy in a humorous tone...much less blood using a

rifle. ;-)

S.

> Apart from Vitamin K , are you able to remember what other

vitamins/minerals

> in a combined supplement made a change in your INR ?

>

> Haze