Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleeen,

You wrote:

How do you get a definitive diagnosis if there is no lump to biopsy? I was wondering because I had a bloody discharge, and my doctor sent me right away for the mammogram, and they did find a lump in the lower left quadrant, but the other symptoms I had- itchy, vague pain which felt warm in the upper left quadrant- were not addressed. The biopsy on the lump turned out to be negative, but I still worry about the symptoms I had in the other area. It no longer feels hot, or itchy, but I still have pains there on occasion. I go for another mammogram in January, but will be seeing my OB/GYN soon- what kind of test for IBC would I ask her about? I remember they did say there were scattered calcifications in the upper left quadrant when they did the mammogram. Should I have had any blood tests done besides the biopsy?

Answering as best I can: The only definitive test to determine ibc is a surgical biopsy.

Since your symptoms have subsided, I doubt a doctor will do a biopsy without symptoms.

Were the calcifications checked? You can certainly request a needle ultrasound to look into the calcifications.

You mentioned that you have pain in the breast. What kind of pain? Sharp, shooting pains?

I've copied and pasted some info on ibc for all our readers - hopes this can help someone.

Regards,

Ann

www.cjhats.com

As you requested, I'm sending you more info re inflammatory breast cancer.

Symptoms of IBC One or more of the following are Typical Symptoms of ibc prior to diagnosis:

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LUMP TO HAVE BREAST CANCER

BUT IF YOU SUDDENLY DEVELOP ONE, HAVE IT CHECKED IMMEDIATELY (we have one reported case of a lady developing a 9x8x5cm lump in only three weeks)

Swelling, usually sudden

Itching

Pink, red, or dark colored spot, sometimes with a texture similar to the skin of an orange, called peau d'orange; also called erythema. Check the underside of your breasts using a mirror, if necessary.

What appears to be a bruise that does not go away

The sudden finding of a lump; one of the contradictions of inflammatory breast cancer is sometimes there is a lump, but usually there is not.

Nipple retraction

Nipple discharge

Breast is warm to the touch

Breast pain

Use caution when interpreting mammograms or ultrasound! Inflammatory breast cancer usually grows in nests or sheets, rather than as a confined, solid tumor. Increased breast density compared to prior mammograms should be considered suspicious. Remember: You don't have to have a lump to have breast cancer.

Please see the IBC Slide Presentation, and especially slides

Diagnosed with Inflammatory Breast Cancer (Stage IIIB) at age 52 - 8/16/99 Treatment began 8/17/99 - 5 days after noticing symptoms 4 rounds Adriamyacin & Taxotere Bilateral mastectomies Taxol every 3 weeks for 4 months 36 rounds radiation 6 months weekly herceptin NED - and praying that each of you will be, too.

Happily married for 29 years

Two beautiful daughters (now grown - sort of)

Also have 4 adorable catsNow designing/sewing and Selling (God willing) chemo hats, check me out at: http://www.cjhats.com

OR, If you prefer eBay:

http://stores.ebay.com/cjhats

I also sell Comfort Pockets - for post surgical drains

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleeen,

You wrote:

How do you get a definitive diagnosis if there is no lump to biopsy? I was wondering because I had a bloody discharge, and my doctor sent me right away for the mammogram, and they did find a lump in the lower left quadrant, but the other symptoms I had- itchy, vague pain which felt warm in the upper left quadrant- were not addressed. The biopsy on the lump turned out to be negative, but I still worry about the symptoms I had in the other area. It no longer feels hot, or itchy, but I still have pains there on occasion. I go for another mammogram in January, but will be seeing my OB/GYN soon- what kind of test for IBC would I ask her about? I remember they did say there were scattered calcifications in the upper left quadrant when they did the mammogram. Should I have had any blood tests done besides the biopsy?

Answering as best I can: The only definitive test to determine ibc is a surgical biopsy.

Since your symptoms have subsided, I doubt a doctor will do a biopsy without symptoms.

Were the calcifications checked? You can certainly request a needle ultrasound to look into the calcifications.

You mentioned that you have pain in the breast. What kind of pain? Sharp, shooting pains?

I've copied and pasted some info on ibc for all our readers - hopes this can help someone.

Regards,

Ann

www.cjhats.com

As you requested, I'm sending you more info re inflammatory breast cancer.

Symptoms of IBC One or more of the following are Typical Symptoms of ibc prior to diagnosis:

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LUMP TO HAVE BREAST CANCER

BUT IF YOU SUDDENLY DEVELOP ONE, HAVE IT CHECKED IMMEDIATELY (we have one reported case of a lady developing a 9x8x5cm lump in only three weeks)

Swelling, usually sudden

Itching

Pink, red, or dark colored spot, sometimes with a texture similar to the skin of an orange, called peau d'orange; also called erythema. Check the underside of your breasts using a mirror, if necessary.

What appears to be a bruise that does not go away

The sudden finding of a lump; one of the contradictions of inflammatory breast cancer is sometimes there is a lump, but usually there is not.

Nipple retraction

Nipple discharge

Breast is warm to the touch

Breast pain

Use caution when interpreting mammograms or ultrasound! Inflammatory breast cancer usually grows in nests or sheets, rather than as a confined, solid tumor. Increased breast density compared to prior mammograms should be considered suspicious. Remember: You don't have to have a lump to have breast cancer.

Please see the IBC Slide Presentation, and especially slides

Diagnosed with Inflammatory Breast Cancer (Stage IIIB) at age 52 - 8/16/99 Treatment began 8/17/99 - 5 days after noticing symptoms 4 rounds Adriamyacin & Taxotere Bilateral mastectomies Taxol every 3 weeks for 4 months 36 rounds radiation 6 months weekly herceptin NED - and praying that each of you will be, too.

Happily married for 29 years

Two beautiful daughters (now grown - sort of)

Also have 4 adorable catsNow designing/sewing and Selling (God willing) chemo hats, check me out at: http://www.cjhats.com

OR, If you prefer eBay:

http://stores.ebay.com/cjhats

I also sell Comfort Pockets - for post surgical drains

Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

[Guest guest]

Ann,

The pains are sharp, kind of shooting pains, but they are not as

painful now as this summer. If it were to be IBC, the symptoms would

not improve, would they?

I have just heard so many stories of people who they told it

probably wasn't cancer and to keep an eye on it, and it turned out to

be cancer.

They did not check the area where the calcifications were found.

What exactly do they biopsy if there is no detectable lump? The cells

in that area? The calcifications seem so tiny on the mammography

films. The lump they did biopsy was only 8mm, it took them 6 times to

get enough of the tissue with that awful, giant spring loaded needle.

The only reason I want to go back to the OB/GYN is to get her opinion

about it all- if she would wait and see, or have more tests. Thank

you for the additional information.

Kathleen

>

> How do you get a definitive diagnosis if there is no lump to

biopsy? I was wondering because I had a bloody discharge, and my

doctor sent me right away for the mammogram, and they did find a lump

in the lower left quadrant, but the other symptoms I had- itchy,

vague pain which felt warm in the upper left quadrant- were not

addressed. The biopsy on the lump turned out to be negative, but I

still worry about the symptoms I had in the other area. It no longer

feels hot, or itchy, but I still have pains there on occasion. I go

for another mammogram in January, but will be seeing my OB/GYN soon-

what kind of test for IBC would I ask her about? I remember they did

say there were scattered calcifications in the upper left quadrant

when they did the mammogram. Should I have had any blood tests done

besides the biopsy?

>

> Answering as best I can: The only definitive test to determine ibc

is a surgical biopsy.

> Since your symptoms have subsided, I doubt a doctor will do a

biopsy without symptoms.

>

> Were the calcifications checked? You can certainly request a

needle ultrasound to look into the calcifications.

>

> You mentioned that you have pain in the breast. What kind of

pain? Sharp, shooting pains?

>

> I've copied and pasted some info on ibc for all our readers - hopes

this can help someone.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ann

> www.cjhats.com

> As you requested, I'm sending you more info re inflammatory breast

cancer.

>

>

> Symptoms of IBC

> One or more of the following are Typical Symptoms of ibc prior to

diagnosis:

>

>

> YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LUMP TO HAVE BREAST CANCER

>

>

> BUT IF YOU SUDDENLY DEVELOP ONE, HAVE IT CHECKED IMMEDIATELY (we

have one reported case of a lady developing a 9x8x5cm lump in only

three weeks)

>

>

> Swelling, usually sudden

>

>

> Itching

>

>

> Pink, red, or dark colored spot, sometimes with a texture similar

to the skin of an orange, called peau d'orange; also called

erythema. Check the underside of your breasts using a mirror, if

necessary.

>

>

> What appears to be a bruise that does not go away

>

>

> The sudden finding of a lump; one of the contradictions of

inflammatory breast cancer is sometimes there is a lump, but usually

there is not.

>

>

> Nipple retraction

>

>

> Nipple discharge

>

>

> Breast is warm to the touch

>

>

> Breast pain

>

>

> Use caution when interpreting mammograms or ultrasound!

Inflammatory breast cancer usually grows in nests or sheets, rather

than as a confined, solid tumor. Increased breast density compared

to prior mammograms should be considered suspicious. Remember: You

don't have to have a lump to have breast cancer.

>

>

> Please see the IBC Slide Presentation, and especially slides

>

>

>

>

> Diagnosed with Inflammatory Breast Cancer (Stage IIIB) at age 52 -

8/16/99

> Treatment began 8/17/99 - 5 days after noticing symptoms

> 4 rounds Adriamyacin & Taxotere

> Bilateral mastectomies

> Taxol every 3 weeks for 4 months

> 36 rounds radiation

> 6 months weekly herceptin

> NED - and praying that each of you will be, too.

>

> Happily married for 29 years

> Two beautiful daughters (now grown - sort of)

> Also have 4 adorable cats

>

> Now designing/sewing and Selling (God willing) chemo hats, check me

out at:

> http://www.cjhats.com

>

> OR, If you prefer eBay:

> http://stores.ebay.com/cjhats

>

> I also sell Comfort Pockets - for post surgical drains

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

[Guest guest]

Ann,

The pains are sharp, kind of shooting pains, but they are not as

painful now as this summer. If it were to be IBC, the symptoms would

not improve, would they?

I have just heard so many stories of people who they told it

probably wasn't cancer and to keep an eye on it, and it turned out to

be cancer.

They did not check the area where the calcifications were found.

What exactly do they biopsy if there is no detectable lump? The cells

in that area? The calcifications seem so tiny on the mammography

films. The lump they did biopsy was only 8mm, it took them 6 times to

get enough of the tissue with that awful, giant spring loaded needle.

The only reason I want to go back to the OB/GYN is to get her opinion

about it all- if she would wait and see, or have more tests. Thank

you for the additional information.

Kathleen

>

> How do you get a definitive diagnosis if there is no lump to

biopsy? I was wondering because I had a bloody discharge, and my

doctor sent me right away for the mammogram, and they did find a lump

in the lower left quadrant, but the other symptoms I had- itchy,

vague pain which felt warm in the upper left quadrant- were not

addressed. The biopsy on the lump turned out to be negative, but I

still worry about the symptoms I had in the other area. It no longer

feels hot, or itchy, but I still have pains there on occasion. I go

for another mammogram in January, but will be seeing my OB/GYN soon-

what kind of test for IBC would I ask her about? I remember they did

say there were scattered calcifications in the upper left quadrant

when they did the mammogram. Should I have had any blood tests done

besides the biopsy?

>

> Answering as best I can: The only definitive test to determine ibc

is a surgical biopsy.

> Since your symptoms have subsided, I doubt a doctor will do a

biopsy without symptoms.

>

> Were the calcifications checked? You can certainly request a

needle ultrasound to look into the calcifications.

>

> You mentioned that you have pain in the breast. What kind of

pain? Sharp, shooting pains?

>

> I've copied and pasted some info on ibc for all our readers - hopes

this can help someone.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ann

> www.cjhats.com

> As you requested, I'm sending you more info re inflammatory breast

cancer.

>

>

> Symptoms of IBC

> One or more of the following are Typical Symptoms of ibc prior to

diagnosis:

>

>

> YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LUMP TO HAVE BREAST CANCER

>

>

> BUT IF YOU SUDDENLY DEVELOP ONE, HAVE IT CHECKED IMMEDIATELY (we

have one reported case of a lady developing a 9x8x5cm lump in only

three weeks)

>

>

> Swelling, usually sudden

>

>

> Itching

>

>

> Pink, red, or dark colored spot, sometimes with a texture similar

to the skin of an orange, called peau d'orange; also called

erythema. Check the underside of your breasts using a mirror, if

necessary.

>

>

> What appears to be a bruise that does not go away

>

>

> The sudden finding of a lump; one of the contradictions of

inflammatory breast cancer is sometimes there is a lump, but usually

there is not.

>

>

> Nipple retraction

>

>

> Nipple discharge

>

>

> Breast is warm to the touch

>

>

> Breast pain

>

>

> Use caution when interpreting mammograms or ultrasound!

Inflammatory breast cancer usually grows in nests or sheets, rather

than as a confined, solid tumor. Increased breast density compared

to prior mammograms should be considered suspicious. Remember: You

don't have to have a lump to have breast cancer.

>

>

> Please see the IBC Slide Presentation, and especially slides

>

>

>

>

> Diagnosed with Inflammatory Breast Cancer (Stage IIIB) at age 52 -

8/16/99

> Treatment began 8/17/99 - 5 days after noticing symptoms

> 4 rounds Adriamyacin & Taxotere

> Bilateral mastectomies

> Taxol every 3 weeks for 4 months

> 36 rounds radiation

> 6 months weekly herceptin

> NED - and praying that each of you will be, too.

>

> Happily married for 29 years

> Two beautiful daughters (now grown - sort of)

> Also have 4 adorable cats

>

> Now designing/sewing and Selling (God willing) chemo hats, check me

out at:

> http://www.cjhats.com

>

> OR, If you prefer eBay:

> http://stores.ebay.com/cjhats

>

> I also sell Comfort Pockets - for post surgical drains

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Kathleen,

I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did with me was a

stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the microcalcifications are magnified many

times, and therefore easy to remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago,

so maybe the technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they

did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course, but I had

to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on these

microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be worrying about.

Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as from the beginning I kept

stressing that " my sister died of breast cancer. " The doctors basically gave me

whatever I wanted from day 1, which included this expensive biopsy, then after

the results came back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special

scan of my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single

test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread. My

microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump, which was found

upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a sentinental lymphnode

biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes

removed for biopsy (all negative, thank God). Best of luck to you.

Love to all,

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

Ann,

The pains are sharp, kind of shooting pains, but they are not as

painful now as this summer. If it were to be IBC, the symptoms would

not improve, would they?

I have just heard so many stories of people who they told it

probably wasn't cancer and to keep an eye on it, and it turned out to

be cancer.

They did not check the area where the calcifications were found.

What exactly do they biopsy if there is no detectable lump? The cells

in that area? The calcifications seem so tiny on the mammography

films. The lump they did biopsy was only 8mm, it took them 6 times to

get enough of the tissue with that awful, giant spring loaded needle.

The only reason I want to go back to the OB/GYN is to get her opinion

about it all- if she would wait and see, or have more tests. Thank

you for the additional information.

Kathleen

>

> How do you get a definitive diagnosis if there is no lump to

biopsy? I was wondering because I had a bloody discharge, and my

doctor sent me right away for the mammogram, and they did find a lump

in the lower left quadrant, but the other symptoms I had- itchy,

vague pain which felt warm in the upper left quadrant- were not

addressed. The biopsy on the lump turned out to be negative, but I

still worry about the symptoms I had in the other area. It no longer

feels hot, or itchy, but I still have pains there on occasion. I go

for another mammogram in January, but will be seeing my OB/GYN soon-

what kind of test for IBC would I ask her about? I remember they did

say there were scattered calcifications in the upper left quadrant

when they did the mammogram. Should I have had any blood tests done

besides the biopsy?

>

> Answering as best I can: The only definitive test to determine ibc

is a surgical biopsy.

> Since your symptoms have subsided, I doubt a doctor will do a

biopsy without symptoms.

>

> Were the calcifications checked? You can certainly request a

needle ultrasound to look into the calcifications.

>

> You mentioned that you have pain in the breast. What kind of

pain? Sharp, shooting pains?

>

> I've copied and pasted some info on ibc for all our readers - hopes

this can help someone.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ann

> www.cjhats.com

> As you requested, I'm sending you more info re inflammatory breast

cancer.

>

>

> Symptoms of IBC

> One or more of the following are Typical Symptoms of ibc prior to

diagnosis:

>

>

> YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LUMP TO HAVE BREAST CANCER

>

>

> BUT IF YOU SUDDENLY DEVELOP ONE, HAVE IT CHECKED IMMEDIATELY (we

have one reported case of a lady developing a 9x8x5cm lump in only

three weeks)

>

>

> Swelling, usually sudden

>

>

> Itching

>

>

> Pink, red, or dark colored spot, sometimes with a texture similar

to the skin of an orange, called peau d'orange; also called

erythema. Check the underside of your breasts using a mirror, if

necessary.

>

>

> What appears to be a bruise that does not go away

>

>

> The sudden finding of a lump; one of the contradictions of

inflammatory breast cancer is sometimes there is a lump, but usually

there is not.

>

>

> Nipple retraction

>

>

> Nipple discharge

>

>

> Breast is warm to the touch

>

>

> Breast pain

>

>

> Use caution when interpreting mammograms or ultrasound!

Inflammatory breast cancer usually grows in nests or sheets, rather

than as a confined, solid tumor. Increased breast density compared

to prior mammograms should be considered suspicious. Remember: You

don't have to have a lump to have breast cancer.

>

>

> Please see the IBC Slide Presentation, and especially slides

>

>

>

>

> Diagnosed with Inflammatory Breast Cancer (Stage IIIB) at age 52 -

8/16/99

> Treatment began 8/17/99 - 5 days after noticing symptoms

> 4 rounds Adriamyacin & Taxotere

> Bilateral mastectomies

> Taxol every 3 weeks for 4 months

> 36 rounds radiation

> 6 months weekly herceptin

> NED - and praying that each of you will be, too.

>

> Happily married for 29 years

> Two beautiful daughters (now grown - sort of)

> Also have 4 adorable cats

>

> Now designing/sewing and Selling (God willing) chemo hats, check me

out at:

> http://www.cjhats.com

>

> OR, If you prefer eBay:

> http://stores.ebay.com/cjhats

>

> I also sell Comfort Pockets - for post surgical drains

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Kathleen,

I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did with me was a

stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the microcalcifications are magnified many

times, and therefore easy to remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago,

so maybe the technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they

did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course, but I had

to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on these

microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be worrying about.

Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as from the beginning I kept

stressing that " my sister died of breast cancer. " The doctors basically gave me

whatever I wanted from day 1, which included this expensive biopsy, then after

the results came back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special

scan of my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single

test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread. My

microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump, which was found

upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a sentinental lymphnode

biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes

removed for biopsy (all negative, thank God). Best of luck to you.

Love to all,

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

Ann,

The pains are sharp, kind of shooting pains, but they are not as

painful now as this summer. If it were to be IBC, the symptoms would

not improve, would they?

I have just heard so many stories of people who they told it

probably wasn't cancer and to keep an eye on it, and it turned out to

be cancer.

They did not check the area where the calcifications were found.

What exactly do they biopsy if there is no detectable lump? The cells

in that area? The calcifications seem so tiny on the mammography

films. The lump they did biopsy was only 8mm, it took them 6 times to

get enough of the tissue with that awful, giant spring loaded needle.

The only reason I want to go back to the OB/GYN is to get her opinion

about it all- if she would wait and see, or have more tests. Thank

you for the additional information.

Kathleen

>

> How do you get a definitive diagnosis if there is no lump to

biopsy? I was wondering because I had a bloody discharge, and my

doctor sent me right away for the mammogram, and they did find a lump

in the lower left quadrant, but the other symptoms I had- itchy,

vague pain which felt warm in the upper left quadrant- were not

addressed. The biopsy on the lump turned out to be negative, but I

still worry about the symptoms I had in the other area. It no longer

feels hot, or itchy, but I still have pains there on occasion. I go

for another mammogram in January, but will be seeing my OB/GYN soon-

what kind of test for IBC would I ask her about? I remember they did

say there were scattered calcifications in the upper left quadrant

when they did the mammogram. Should I have had any blood tests done

besides the biopsy?

>

> Answering as best I can: The only definitive test to determine ibc

is a surgical biopsy.

> Since your symptoms have subsided, I doubt a doctor will do a

biopsy without symptoms.

>

> Were the calcifications checked? You can certainly request a

needle ultrasound to look into the calcifications.

>

> You mentioned that you have pain in the breast. What kind of

pain? Sharp, shooting pains?

>

> I've copied and pasted some info on ibc for all our readers - hopes

this can help someone.

>

> Regards,

>

> Ann

> www.cjhats.com

> As you requested, I'm sending you more info re inflammatory breast

cancer.

>

>

> Symptoms of IBC

> One or more of the following are Typical Symptoms of ibc prior to

diagnosis:

>

>

> YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LUMP TO HAVE BREAST CANCER

>

>

> BUT IF YOU SUDDENLY DEVELOP ONE, HAVE IT CHECKED IMMEDIATELY (we

have one reported case of a lady developing a 9x8x5cm lump in only

three weeks)

>

>

> Swelling, usually sudden

>

>

> Itching

>

>

> Pink, red, or dark colored spot, sometimes with a texture similar

to the skin of an orange, called peau d'orange; also called

erythema. Check the underside of your breasts using a mirror, if

necessary.

>

>

> What appears to be a bruise that does not go away

>

>

> The sudden finding of a lump; one of the contradictions of

inflammatory breast cancer is sometimes there is a lump, but usually

there is not.

>

>

> Nipple retraction

>

>

> Nipple discharge

>

>

> Breast is warm to the touch

>

>

> Breast pain

>

>

> Use caution when interpreting mammograms or ultrasound!

Inflammatory breast cancer usually grows in nests or sheets, rather

than as a confined, solid tumor. Increased breast density compared

to prior mammograms should be considered suspicious. Remember: You

don't have to have a lump to have breast cancer.

>

>

> Please see the IBC Slide Presentation, and especially slides

>

>

>

>

> Diagnosed with Inflammatory Breast Cancer (Stage IIIB) at age 52 -

8/16/99

> Treatment began 8/17/99 - 5 days after noticing symptoms

> 4 rounds Adriamyacin & Taxotere

> Bilateral mastectomies

> Taxol every 3 weeks for 4 months

> 36 rounds radiation

> 6 months weekly herceptin

> NED - and praying that each of you will be, too.

>

> Happily married for 29 years

> Two beautiful daughters (now grown - sort of)

> Also have 4 adorable cats

>

> Now designing/sewing and Selling (God willing) chemo hats, check me

out at:

> http://www.cjhats.com

>

> OR, If you prefer eBay:

> http://stores.ebay.com/cjhats

>

> I also sell Comfort Pockets - for post surgical drains

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Thank you for all the great information. I know I have to be

more assertive about my care. I really have a hard time with that,

and it was never more apparent then when I was going through all the

breast exams, mammograms, biopsy... It's so personal, and I was so

scared that I had to kind of separate myself from the whole process.

I would have a hundred questions, and get in the doctor's office and

my mind would go blank. But I have learned so much from all of you,

so now I feel I have a somewhere to start when I go to the doctor.

The doctor I saw was highly recommended,and she didn't suggest

anything else except to repeat the mammogram in January, but I keep

having dreams and just bad feelings like something isn't quite right.

I don't have too many shooting pains anymore, but if I lay on my

stomach, or lean on my left breast when giving the kids a bath, it

feels like something is there. I am so large breasted though that I

didn't feel the lump they found when trying to figure out the

discharge. Thank you, and take care.

Kathleen

>

> Hello Kathleen,

>

> I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did

with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the

microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to

remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the

technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they

did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course,

but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on

these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be

worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as

from the beginning I kept stressing that " my sister died of breast

cancer. " The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1,

which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came

back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of

my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single

test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread.

My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump,

which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a

sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the

sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank

God). Best of luck to you.

> Love to all,

>

> --

> Ogut

> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

It

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Thank you for all the great information. I know I have to be

more assertive about my care. I really have a hard time with that,

and it was never more apparent then when I was going through all the

breast exams, mammograms, biopsy... It's so personal, and I was so

scared that I had to kind of separate myself from the whole process.

I would have a hundred questions, and get in the doctor's office and

my mind would go blank. But I have learned so much from all of you,

so now I feel I have a somewhere to start when I go to the doctor.

The doctor I saw was highly recommended,and she didn't suggest

anything else except to repeat the mammogram in January, but I keep

having dreams and just bad feelings like something isn't quite right.

I don't have too many shooting pains anymore, but if I lay on my

stomach, or lean on my left breast when giving the kids a bath, it

feels like something is there. I am so large breasted though that I

didn't feel the lump they found when trying to figure out the

discharge. Thank you, and take care.

Kathleen

>

> Hello Kathleen,

>

> I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did

with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the

microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to

remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the

technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they

did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course,

but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on

these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be

worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as

from the beginning I kept stressing that " my sister died of breast

cancer. " The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1,

which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came

back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of

my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single

test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread.

My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump,

which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a

sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the

sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank

God). Best of luck to you.

> Love to all,

>

> --

> Ogut

> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

It

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

Even if the dr was highly recommended I would get a second opinion, if for no other reason than your peace of mind. Its a long time till January and you don't want to spend the holidays worrying. I will keep you in my prayers.

Hugs

nne

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Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)

Dear , Thank you for all the great information. I know I have to be more assertive about my care. I really have a hard time with that, and it was never more apparent then when I was going through all the breast exams, mammograms, biopsy... It's so personal, and I was so scared that I had to kind of separate myself from the whole process. I would have a hundred questions, and get in the doctor's office and my mind would go blank. But I have learned so much from all of you, so now I feel I have a somewhere to start when I go to the doctor. The doctor I saw was highly recommended,and she didn't suggest anything else except to repeat the mammogram in January, but I keep having dreams and just bad feelings like something isn't quite right. I don't have too many shooting pains anymore, but if I lay on my stomach, or lean on my left breast when giving the kids a bath, it feels like something is there. I am so large breasted though that I didn't feel the lump they found when trying to figure out the discharge. Thank you, and take care.Kathleen>> Hello Kathleen,> > I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course, but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as from the beginning I kept stressing that "my sister died of breast cancer." The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1, which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread. My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump, which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank God). Best of luck to you.> Love to all,> > --> Ogut> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It >

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

Even if the dr was highly recommended I would get a second opinion, if for no other reason than your peace of mind. Its a long time till January and you don't want to spend the holidays worrying. I will keep you in my prayers.

Hugs

nne

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Check out my breast cancer ornaments at:http://www.geocities.com/chucky5741/bcornament.htmlalso check out my other ornaments and lots of nice gifts at:http://www.cancerclub.com

Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)

Dear , Thank you for all the great information. I know I have to be more assertive about my care. I really have a hard time with that, and it was never more apparent then when I was going through all the breast exams, mammograms, biopsy... It's so personal, and I was so scared that I had to kind of separate myself from the whole process. I would have a hundred questions, and get in the doctor's office and my mind would go blank. But I have learned so much from all of you, so now I feel I have a somewhere to start when I go to the doctor. The doctor I saw was highly recommended,and she didn't suggest anything else except to repeat the mammogram in January, but I keep having dreams and just bad feelings like something isn't quite right. I don't have too many shooting pains anymore, but if I lay on my stomach, or lean on my left breast when giving the kids a bath, it feels like something is there. I am so large breasted though that I didn't feel the lump they found when trying to figure out the discharge. Thank you, and take care.Kathleen>> Hello Kathleen,> > I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course, but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as from the beginning I kept stressing that "my sister died of breast cancer." The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1, which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread. My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump, which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank God). Best of luck to you.> Love to all,> > --> Ogut> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It >

[Guest guest]

For the metallic taste in your mouth from the chemo I heard you

should us plastic utensils for that and it is suppose to help. I

never had that taste so didn't use them but other people have

mentioned doing that. It's worth a try. Take care, God Bless,

Love, Sharon F.

>

> Kathleen,

> Even if the dr was highly recommended I would get a second

opinion, if for no other reason than your peace of mind. Its a long

time till January and you don't want to spend the holidays worrying.

I will keep you in my prayers.

> Hugs

> nne

> Breast Cancer Patients Soul Mates for Life

> http://www.geocities.com/chucky5741/breastcancerpatients.html

>

> Check out my breast cancer ornaments at:

> http://www.geocities.com/chucky5741/bcornament.html

> also check out my other ornaments and lots of nice gifts at:

> http://www.cancerclub.com

> Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone

Please Read!(Kathleen)

>

>

> Dear ,

>

> Thank you for all the great information. I know I have to

be

> more assertive about my care. I really have a hard time with

that,

> and it was never more apparent then when I was going through all

the

> breast exams, mammograms, biopsy... It's so personal, and I was

so

> scared that I had to kind of separate myself from the whole

process.

> I would have a hundred questions, and get in the doctor's office

and

> my mind would go blank. But I have learned so much from all of

you,

> so now I feel I have a somewhere to start when I go to the

doctor.

> The doctor I saw was highly recommended,and she didn't suggest

> anything else except to repeat the mammogram in January, but I

keep

> having dreams and just bad feelings like something isn't quite

right.

> I don't have too many shooting pains anymore, but if I lay on my

> stomach, or lean on my left breast when giving the kids a bath,

it

> feels like something is there. I am so large breasted though

that I

> didn't feel the lump they found when trying to figure out the

> discharge. Thank you, and take care.

>

> Kathleen

>

>

>

> >

> > Hello Kathleen,

> >

> > I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they

did

> with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the

> microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy

to

> remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the

> technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when

they

> did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of

course,

> but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based

on

> these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I

should be

> worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care

throughout, as

> from the beginning I kept stressing that " my sister died of

breast

> cancer. " The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from

day 1,

> which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results

came

> back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special

scan of

> my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every

single

> test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt

spread.

> My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump,

> which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I

had a

> sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/

the

> sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative,

thank

> God). Best of luck to you.

> > Love to all,

> >

> > --

> > Ogut

> > The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You

Think

> It

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathleen, make it a habit to write your questions down when you think of it. Keep a small notepad and pen or pencil available for yourself at all times. That's what I do. I now have a laptop, a friend gave me as a gift after my mastectomy (I'm still in shock). Anyway, we keep it up and running and when I think of something I type it into my list. I've made a list of vitamins and herbs I'd like to take but want to clear with the Onc first, for example. I also have some questions for her like what are definite no-nos in foods or over the counter meds. Funny, you'd think they'd give you a list of what you can eat and/or take both food and medicine wise. Anyway, I wound up with a head cold this weekend and had no idea if I could take cold medicine or not. So I called the on call doc, I hate doing that if it's not urgent. While I had her on the phone though I asked her about some other things someone else had told me I shouldn't be eating/drinking. Anyway, my point is, try and create a list of things you need to discuss with the doctor, questions, knowledge you have that might be right or wrong or indifferent, what's healthy, what's not. Then you go in and you don't draw a blank.

LICS June "The best protection any woman can have...is courage." Cady Stanton Secular Breast Cancer Support group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SecularBCSupport/

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of KathleenSent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:51 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)Dear , Thank you for all the great information. I know I have to be more assertive about my care. I really have a hard time with that, and it was never more apparent then when I was going through all the breast exams, mammograms, biopsy... It's so personal, and I was so scared that I had to kind of separate myself from the whole process. I would have a hundred questions, and get in the doctor's office and my mind would go blank. But I have learned so much from all of you, so now I feel I have a somewhere to start when I go to the doctor. The doctor I saw was highly recommended,and she didn't suggest anything else except to repeat the mammogram in January, but I keep having dreams and just bad feelings like something isn't quite right. I don't have too many shooting pains anymore, but if I lay on my stomach, or lean on my left breast when giving the kids a bath, it feels like something is there. I am so large breasted though that I didn't feel the lump they found when trying to figure out the discharge. Thank you, and take care.Kathleen>> Hello Kathleen,> > I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course, but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as from the beginning I kept stressing that "my sister died of breast cancer." The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1, which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread. My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump, which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank God). Best of luck to you.> Love to all,> > --> Ogut> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It >

[Guest guest]

Kathleen, make it a habit to write your questions down when you think of it. Keep a small notepad and pen or pencil available for yourself at all times. That's what I do. I now have a laptop, a friend gave me as a gift after my mastectomy (I'm still in shock). Anyway, we keep it up and running and when I think of something I type it into my list. I've made a list of vitamins and herbs I'd like to take but want to clear with the Onc first, for example. I also have some questions for her like what are definite no-nos in foods or over the counter meds. Funny, you'd think they'd give you a list of what you can eat and/or take both food and medicine wise. Anyway, I wound up with a head cold this weekend and had no idea if I could take cold medicine or not. So I called the on call doc, I hate doing that if it's not urgent. While I had her on the phone though I asked her about some other things someone else had told me I shouldn't be eating/drinking. Anyway, my point is, try and create a list of things you need to discuss with the doctor, questions, knowledge you have that might be right or wrong or indifferent, what's healthy, what's not. Then you go in and you don't draw a blank.

LICS June "The best protection any woman can have...is courage." Cady Stanton Secular Breast Cancer Support group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SecularBCSupport/

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of KathleenSent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:51 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)Dear , Thank you for all the great information. I know I have to be more assertive about my care. I really have a hard time with that, and it was never more apparent then when I was going through all the breast exams, mammograms, biopsy... It's so personal, and I was so scared that I had to kind of separate myself from the whole process. I would have a hundred questions, and get in the doctor's office and my mind would go blank. But I have learned so much from all of you, so now I feel I have a somewhere to start when I go to the doctor. The doctor I saw was highly recommended,and she didn't suggest anything else except to repeat the mammogram in January, but I keep having dreams and just bad feelings like something isn't quite right. I don't have too many shooting pains anymore, but if I lay on my stomach, or lean on my left breast when giving the kids a bath, it feels like something is there. I am so large breasted though that I didn't feel the lump they found when trying to figure out the discharge. Thank you, and take care.Kathleen>> Hello Kathleen,> > I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course, but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as from the beginning I kept stressing that "my sister died of breast cancer." The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1, which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread. My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump, which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank God). Best of luck to you.> Love to all,> > --> Ogut> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It >

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Kathleen, for this story. If you want to talk about it more, I have

an ear! Curious why they are afraid of you. ;/

Love to all of us,

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

Hi ,

It's so weird, I can be like that in certain situations, like

when it comes to my children, but when it comes to things about me,

and especially this, I am ready to cut and run. In fact the when my

OB/GYN sent me the next day to have the mammogram, they told me I

wasn't supposed to come til the next day, and I said okay and was

ready to walk out the door. Thankfully my husband stepped up and

insisted I be seen. He swears I come off like I am assertive, and

even people like his " wonderful " sister and bosses he has had that I

didn't like are afraid of me. I have no idea why. Maybe they sense my

general distrust for people...

I will work on it. I am trying, but it's not easy. Thanks and

take care,

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give

me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd

have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I

dont care if anyone likes me or not.

>

> I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid

someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just

will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two

of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I

never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had

for over 2 decades. Being a " prescriptive nice " does NOT make one

attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and

powerful IS attractive.

>

> I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted

to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot

lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of

crap from men.

>

> Love to all of us,

> --

> Ogut

> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

It

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Kathleen, for this story. If you want to talk about it more, I have

an ear! Curious why they are afraid of you. ;/

Love to all of us,

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

Hi ,

It's so weird, I can be like that in certain situations, like

when it comes to my children, but when it comes to things about me,

and especially this, I am ready to cut and run. In fact the when my

OB/GYN sent me the next day to have the mammogram, they told me I

wasn't supposed to come til the next day, and I said okay and was

ready to walk out the door. Thankfully my husband stepped up and

insisted I be seen. He swears I come off like I am assertive, and

even people like his " wonderful " sister and bosses he has had that I

didn't like are afraid of me. I have no idea why. Maybe they sense my

general distrust for people...

I will work on it. I am trying, but it's not easy. Thanks and

take care,

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give

me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd

have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I

dont care if anyone likes me or not.

>

> I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid

someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just

will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two

of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I

never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had

for over 2 decades. Being a " prescriptive nice " does NOT make one

attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and

powerful IS attractive.

>

> I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted

to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot

lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of

crap from men.

>

> Love to all of us,

> --

> Ogut

> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

It

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Kathleen, for this story. If you want to talk about it more, I have

an ear! Curious why they are afraid of you. ;/

Love to all of us,

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

Hi ,

It's so weird, I can be like that in certain situations, like

when it comes to my children, but when it comes to things about me,

and especially this, I am ready to cut and run. In fact the when my

OB/GYN sent me the next day to have the mammogram, they told me I

wasn't supposed to come til the next day, and I said okay and was

ready to walk out the door. Thankfully my husband stepped up and

insisted I be seen. He swears I come off like I am assertive, and

even people like his " wonderful " sister and bosses he has had that I

didn't like are afraid of me. I have no idea why. Maybe they sense my

general distrust for people...

I will work on it. I am trying, but it's not easy. Thanks and

take care,

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give

me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd

have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I

dont care if anyone likes me or not.

>

> I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid

someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just

will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two

of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I

never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had

for over 2 decades. Being a " prescriptive nice " does NOT make one

attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and

powerful IS attractive.

>

> I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted

to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot

lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of

crap from men.

>

> Love to all of us,

> --

> Ogut

> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

It

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, June; yes, I did notice your other signature tag-line, and I like it a

lot.

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

, one of my sig files that I use for my signature when the mood strikes is, "Be who you are, say what you feel, those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind," by Dr. Seuss. I held back my power in my teens, found that I didn't like being a doormat and got over it in my mid 20s. Anyway, I don't draw on my anger for strenght though, I draw on my community and my inner person, that I know is rich, whole and good, my inner person first. But I do use anger when the need arises. ;-) Just a bit of a different philosphy from someone who mostly agrees with you.

LICS June "The best protection any woman can have...is courage." Cady Stanton Secular Breast Cancer Support group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SecularBCSupport/

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of lisaogut@...Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:01 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I dont care if anyone likes me or not. I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had for over 2 decades. Being a "prescriptive nice" does NOT make one attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and powerful IS attractive.I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of crap from men.Love to all of us,-- OgutThe Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

[Guest guest]

Thanks, June; yes, I did notice your other signature tag-line, and I like it a

lot.

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

, one of my sig files that I use for my signature when the mood strikes is, "Be who you are, say what you feel, those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind," by Dr. Seuss. I held back my power in my teens, found that I didn't like being a doormat and got over it in my mid 20s. Anyway, I don't draw on my anger for strenght though, I draw on my community and my inner person, that I know is rich, whole and good, my inner person first. But I do use anger when the need arises. ;-) Just a bit of a different philosphy from someone who mostly agrees with you.

LICS June "The best protection any woman can have...is courage." Cady Stanton Secular Breast Cancer Support group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SecularBCSupport/

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of lisaogut@...Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:01 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I dont care if anyone likes me or not. I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had for over 2 decades. Being a "prescriptive nice" does NOT make one attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and powerful IS attractive.I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of crap from men.Love to all of us,-- OgutThe Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

[Guest guest]

Thanks, June; yes, I did notice your other signature tag-line, and I like it a

lot.

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Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

, one of my sig files that I use for my signature when the mood strikes is, "Be who you are, say what you feel, those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind," by Dr. Seuss. I held back my power in my teens, found that I didn't like being a doormat and got over it in my mid 20s. Anyway, I don't draw on my anger for strenght though, I draw on my community and my inner person, that I know is rich, whole and good, my inner person first. But I do use anger when the need arises. ;-) Just a bit of a different philosphy from someone who mostly agrees with you.

LICS June "The best protection any woman can have...is courage." Cady Stanton Secular Breast Cancer Support group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SecularBCSupport/

-----Original Message-----From: breastcancer2 [mailto:breastcancer2 ]On Behalf Of lisaogut@...Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:01 PMTo: breastcancer2 Subject: Re: Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I dont care if anyone likes me or not. I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had for over 2 decades. Being a "prescriptive nice" does NOT make one attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and powerful IS attractive.I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of crap from men.Love to all of us,-- OgutThe Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

[Guest guest]

Hi all -- I am not sure this message was actually sent, just making sure, so you

might get it twice. Thx.

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The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

---------------------- Forwarded Message: ---------------------

From: lisaogut@...

To: breastcancer2

Subject: Re: Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please

Read!(Kathleen)

Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:55:01 +0000

Thank you, Kathleen, for this story. If you want to talk about it more, I have

an ear! Curious why they are afraid of you. ;/

Love to all of us,

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

Hi ,

It's so weird, I can be like that in certain situations, like

when it comes to my children, but when it comes to things about me,

and especially this, I am ready to cut and run. In fact the when my

OB/GYN sent me the next day to have the mammogram, they told me I

wasn't supposed to come til the next day, and I said okay and was

ready to walk out the door. Thankfully my husband stepped up and

insisted I be seen. He swears I come off like I am assertive, and

even people like his " wonderful " sister and bosses he has had that I

didn't like are afraid of me. I have no idea why. Maybe they sense my

general distrust for people...

I will work on it. I am trying, but it's not easy. Thanks and

take care,

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give

me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd

have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I

dont care if anyone likes me or not.

>

> I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid

someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just

will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two

of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I

never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had

for over 2 decades. Being a " prescriptive nice " does NOT make one

attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and

powerful IS attractive.

>

> I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted

to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot

lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of

crap from men.

>

> Love to all of us,

> --

> Ogut

> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

It

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all -- I am not sure this message was actually sent, just making sure, so you

might get it twice. Thx.

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

---------------------- Forwarded Message: ---------------------

From: lisaogut@...

To: breastcancer2

Subject: Re: Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please

Read!(Kathleen)

Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:55:01 +0000

Thank you, Kathleen, for this story. If you want to talk about it more, I have

an ear! Curious why they are afraid of you. ;/

Love to all of us,

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

Hi ,

It's so weird, I can be like that in certain situations, like

when it comes to my children, but when it comes to things about me,

and especially this, I am ready to cut and run. In fact the when my

OB/GYN sent me the next day to have the mammogram, they told me I

wasn't supposed to come til the next day, and I said okay and was

ready to walk out the door. Thankfully my husband stepped up and

insisted I be seen. He swears I come off like I am assertive, and

even people like his " wonderful " sister and bosses he has had that I

didn't like are afraid of me. I have no idea why. Maybe they sense my

general distrust for people...

I will work on it. I am trying, but it's not easy. Thanks and

take care,

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give

me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd

have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I

dont care if anyone likes me or not.

>

> I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid

someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just

will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two

of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I

never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had

for over 2 decades. Being a " prescriptive nice " does NOT make one

attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and

powerful IS attractive.

>

> I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted

to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot

lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of

crap from men.

>

> Love to all of us,

> --

> Ogut

> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

It

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all -- I am not sure this message was actually sent, just making sure, so you

might get it twice. Thx.

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

---------------------- Forwarded Message: ---------------------

From: lisaogut@...

To: breastcancer2

Subject: Re: Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please

Read!(Kathleen)

Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:55:01 +0000

Thank you, Kathleen, for this story. If you want to talk about it more, I have

an ear! Curious why they are afraid of you. ;/

Love to all of us,

--

Ogut

The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think It

Hi ,

It's so weird, I can be like that in certain situations, like

when it comes to my children, but when it comes to things about me,

and especially this, I am ready to cut and run. In fact the when my

OB/GYN sent me the next day to have the mammogram, they told me I

wasn't supposed to come til the next day, and I said okay and was

ready to walk out the door. Thankfully my husband stepped up and

insisted I be seen. He swears I come off like I am assertive, and

even people like his " wonderful " sister and bosses he has had that I

didn't like are afraid of me. I have no idea why. Maybe they sense my

general distrust for people...

I will work on it. I am trying, but it's not easy. Thanks and

take care,

Kathleen

>

> Hi Kathleen, thanks for the e mail. I draw upon my anger to give

me strength. Women need to get angry more often, I think-- but I'd

have to write a whole philosophy here to tell about why. Plus, I

dont care if anyone likes me or not.

>

> I found that women hold back their power because they are afraid

someone may not like them. I apologize for saying this, but I just

will: I have had 8 marriage proposals in my life. (I accepted two

of them, and am remarried now.) I dont take shit from anyone, I

never have. I have deeply close friends whom 4 of them I have had

for over 2 decades. Being a " prescriptive nice " does NOT make one

attractive. Being smart and genuine and fully human, centered and

powerful IS attractive.

>

> I know you didnt ask for this little bit of info, but I just wanted

to share it with the group. I have been thinking about this a lot

lately for some reason, watching some women submit to all kinds of

crap from men.

>

> Love to all of us,

> --

> Ogut

> The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

It

>

[Guest guest]

It's interesting to me that they're now telling you, apparently, what

foods to eat or not with chemo? 16 years ago my Onc's advice was to

eat whatever tasted good to me and not worry about cholesterol, etc.

He said there was time to worry about that when the chemo was over and

my body was healing from it. His philosophy was to pamper yourself as

you go through chemo...eat what tastes good and to go and do whatever

you want to do when you feel strong enough to do it and enjoy it.

Stay away from crowds as your immune system is very vulnerable to all

" bugs. "

Gingersnap

> >

> > Hello Kathleen,

> >

> > I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did

> with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the

> microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to

> remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the

> technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they

> did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course,

> but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on

> these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be

> worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as

> from the beginning I kept stressing that " my sister died of breast

> cancer. " The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1,

> which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came

> back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of

> my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single

> test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread.

> My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump,

> which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a

> sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the

> sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank

> God). Best of luck to you.

> > Love to all,

> >

> > --

> > Ogut

> > The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think

> It

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thats pretty much what my oncologist told me back in 1990.

Hugs

nne

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Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)

It's interesting to me that they're now telling you, apparently, whatfoods to eat or not with chemo? 16 years ago my Onc's advice was toeat whatever tasted good to me and not worry about cholesterol, etc. He said there was time to worry about that when the chemo was over andmy body was healing from it. His philosophy was to pamper yourself asyou go through chemo...eat what tastes good and to go and do whateveryou want to do when you feel strong enough to do it and enjoy it. Stay away from crowds as your immune system is very vulnerable to all"bugs." Gingersnap> >> > Hello Kathleen,> >> > I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did> with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the> microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to> remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the> technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they> did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course,> but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on> these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be> worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as> from the beginning I kept stressing that "my sister died of breast> cancer." The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1,> which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came> back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of> my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single> test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread.> My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump,> which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a> sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the> sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank> God). Best of luck to you.> > Love to all,> >> > --> > Ogut> > The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think> It > >> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thats pretty much what my oncologist told me back in 1990.

Hugs

nne

Breast Cancer Patients Soul Mates for Lifehttp://www.geocities.com/chucky5741/breastcancerpatients.html

Check out my breast cancer ornaments at:http://www.geocities.com/chucky5741/bcornament.htmlalso check out my other ornaments and lots of nice gifts at:http://www.cancerclub.com

Re: You Don't Need a Lump....Everyone Please Read!(Kathleen)

It's interesting to me that they're now telling you, apparently, whatfoods to eat or not with chemo? 16 years ago my Onc's advice was toeat whatever tasted good to me and not worry about cholesterol, etc. He said there was time to worry about that when the chemo was over andmy body was healing from it. His philosophy was to pamper yourself asyou go through chemo...eat what tastes good and to go and do whateveryou want to do when you feel strong enough to do it and enjoy it. Stay away from crowds as your immune system is very vulnerable to all"bugs." Gingersnap> >> > Hello Kathleen,> >> > I am relying on memory, here, so I may be wrong, but what they did> with me was a stereoscopic (?) biopsy, whereby the> microcalcifications are magnified many times, and therefore easy to> remove and test for cancer. This was 5 yrs. ago, so maybe the> technology has improved and/or has gotten cheaper. Back when they> did it for me the test was some $3000 -- paid for by HMO, of course,> but I had to convince a surgeon to refer for it to be done based on> these microcalcifications, which the surgeon didnt think I should be> worrying about. Actually, I got the best medical care throughout, as> from the beginning I kept stressing that "my sister died of breast> cancer." The doctors basically gave me whatever I wanted from day 1,> which included this expensive biopsy, then after the results came> back as cancer, I insisted on a bone scan, body scan, special scan of> my ovaries and uterus, MRI, etc., all the doctors ok'd every single> test, every single request I made to just be sure it didnt spread.> My microcalcifications indicated the existence of a 1.1 CM lump,> which was found upon my surgery -- good margins were gotten, I had a> sentinental lymphnode biopsy (another thing I insisted upon), w/ the> sentinel plus 5 lymphnodes removed for biopsy (all negative, thank> God). Best of luck to you.> > Love to all,> >> > --> > Ogut> > The Whole Brain Game -- It's Not What You Think But How You Think> It > >> > > > > > >