Re: Re: Does Anyone Else Not Have A Life???

[Guest guest]

I felt that way 2 and half months ago and had to go on antidepressants,

at first I was scared but they have made the wortd of difference. Maybe

you should consider it.

Hugs and love

Deana

carolina_girl4life wrote:

> I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'M 24 I USE TO BE SO

> FULL OF LIFE AND I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, BUT I'VE PUSHED SO MANY

> PEOPLE AWAY, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JUST GIVEING UP, I FEEL SO

> WORTHLESS AND LIKE I'M AWAYS IN EVERYONES WAY, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT

> TO DO ANY MORE, I'D GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ME AGAIN.

> THANKS FOR LISTEN

>

> MUCH LOVE

> CARY

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm just going to vent!!! I don't know

> where my life went...I guess to hypohell! All I do all day is lay

> around on my fat rear and watch tv and mess around on the computer

> when I feel up to it. This has been like this for at least a year

> and I just hate myself for it. I feel lazy and depressed so often

> and I can really relate to those of you who talk about the

> depression and suicidal thoughts. I can't wait until it's time to go

> to sleep every night but I can't sleep these days unless I take

> Ambien or Lunesta. I know they're addictive but if I don't sleep I

> think I would kill myself! I won't end my life because I have a 7

> yr. old but I feel so bad that I don't spend time with him and I am

> angry a lot. I am hoping that I will get better with the meds and

> after all my tests are done. Okay....I'm done venting. Thanks for

> listening and understanding. I used to have my own business and had

> a lot of friends, volunteered at my son's school, etc. The days are

> > sooo long! I miss having a purpose in life.

> >

> > Tammy

> > ------------------------------------------

> > Tammy:

> >

> > Yes. I don't have a life either. I suppose I try to look at the

> bright side...and keep going. Its been 20 months for me. I was

> 38...and now I'm gonna be 41.

> > Very hard to think about.

> >

> > What dose are ya doing? What do the labs look like? I'm still

> tweaking and that takes a lot of patience.

> >

> > Warmest Regards,

> >

> > ~E:)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I felt that way 2 and half months ago and had to go on antidepressants,

at first I was scared but they have made the wortd of difference. Maybe

you should consider it.

Hugs and love

Deana

carolina_girl4life wrote:

> I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'M 24 I USE TO BE SO

> FULL OF LIFE AND I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, BUT I'VE PUSHED SO MANY

> PEOPLE AWAY, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JUST GIVEING UP, I FEEL SO

> WORTHLESS AND LIKE I'M AWAYS IN EVERYONES WAY, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT

> TO DO ANY MORE, I'D GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ME AGAIN.

> THANKS FOR LISTEN

>

> MUCH LOVE

> CARY

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm just going to vent!!! I don't know

> where my life went...I guess to hypohell! All I do all day is lay

> around on my fat rear and watch tv and mess around on the computer

> when I feel up to it. This has been like this for at least a year

> and I just hate myself for it. I feel lazy and depressed so often

> and I can really relate to those of you who talk about the

> depression and suicidal thoughts. I can't wait until it's time to go

> to sleep every night but I can't sleep these days unless I take

> Ambien or Lunesta. I know they're addictive but if I don't sleep I

> think I would kill myself! I won't end my life because I have a 7

> yr. old but I feel so bad that I don't spend time with him and I am

> angry a lot. I am hoping that I will get better with the meds and

> after all my tests are done. Okay....I'm done venting. Thanks for

> listening and understanding. I used to have my own business and had

> a lot of friends, volunteered at my son's school, etc. The days are

> > sooo long! I miss having a purpose in life.

> >

> > Tammy

> > ------------------------------------------

> > Tammy:

> >

> > Yes. I don't have a life either. I suppose I try to look at the

> bright side...and keep going. Its been 20 months for me. I was

> 38...and now I'm gonna be 41.

> > Very hard to think about.

> >

> > What dose are ya doing? What do the labs look like? I'm still

> tweaking and that takes a lot of patience.

> >

> > Warmest Regards,

> >

> > ~E:)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Just a word of caution on anti-depressants.....

quite a few have adverse effects on the thyroid... Prozac especially.... That has flouride..

Also so much of depression, anxiety, bi-polar and even disorders are related to thyroid issues.

But....sometimes we need antidepressants to get through our lives...at least until we're properly treated. Sometimes they can be literally lifesavers. I agree that there are a lot of side effects but every med has side effects including over the counter meds. It's such a fine line and again we are all individuals and there are some people that have not wanted to take an antidepressant because of the label or status it would put on them and they end up taking their life. Just something to think about.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

Just a word of caution on anti-depressants.....

quite a few have adverse effects on the thyroid... Prozac especially.... That has flouride..

Also so much of depression, anxiety, bi-polar and even disorders are related to thyroid issues.

But....sometimes we need antidepressants to get through our lives...at least until we're properly treated. Sometimes they can be literally lifesavers. I agree that there are a lot of side effects but every med has side effects including over the counter meds. It's such a fine line and again we are all individuals and there are some people that have not wanted to take an antidepressant because of the label or status it would put on them and they end up taking their life. Just something to think about.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that if the Docs would stop under treating Thyroid problems we could all get our lives back without anti-depressants.. which right now I am on to and would rather not be but it has made a lot of difference.

Cody

Re: Re: Does Anyone Else Not Have A Life???

I felt that way 2 and half months ago and had to go on antidepressants, at first I was scared but they have made the wortd of difference. Maybe you should consider it.Hugs and loveDeanacarolina_girl4life wrote:> I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'M 24 I USE TO BE SO> FULL OF LIFE AND I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, BUT I'VE PUSHED SO MANY> PEOPLE AWAY, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JUST GIVEING UP, I FEEL SO> WORTHLESS AND LIKE I'M AWAYS IN EVERYONES WAY, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT> TO DO ANY MORE, I'D GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ME AGAIN.> THANKS FOR LISTEN>> MUCH LOVE> CARY >>>>>>>>> I'm just going to vent!!! I don't know> where my life went...I guess to hypohell! All I do all day is lay> around on my fat rear and watch tv and mess around on the computer> when I feel up to it. This has been like this for at least a year> and I just hate myself for it. I feel lazy and depressed so often> and I can really relate to those of you who talk about the> depression and suicidal thoughts. I can't wait until it's time to go> to sleep every night but I can't sleep these days unless I take> Ambien or Lunesta. I know they're addictive but if I don't sleep I> think I would kill myself! I won't end my life because I have a 7> yr. old but I feel so bad that I don't spend time with him and I am> angry a lot. I am hoping that I will get better with the meds and> after all my tests are done. Okay....I'm done venting. Thanks for> listening and understanding. I used to have my own business and had> a lot of friends, volunteered at my son's school, etc. The days are> > sooo long! I miss having a purpose in life.> > > > Tammy> > ------------------------------------------> > Tammy:> > > > Yes. I don't have a life either. I suppose I try to look at the> bright side...and keep going. Its been 20 months for me. I was> 38...and now I'm gonna be 41.> > Very hard to think about. > > > > What dose are ya doing? What do the labs look like? I'm still> tweaking and that takes a lot of patience.> > > > Warmest Regards,> > > > ~E:) > > > > > > > >> >> >

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that if the Docs would stop under treating Thyroid problems we could all get our lives back without anti-depressants.. which right now I am on to and would rather not be but it has made a lot of difference.

Cody

Re: Re: Does Anyone Else Not Have A Life???

I felt that way 2 and half months ago and had to go on antidepressants, at first I was scared but they have made the wortd of difference. Maybe you should consider it.Hugs and loveDeanacarolina_girl4life wrote:> I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'M 24 I USE TO BE SO> FULL OF LIFE AND I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, BUT I'VE PUSHED SO MANY> PEOPLE AWAY, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JUST GIVEING UP, I FEEL SO> WORTHLESS AND LIKE I'M AWAYS IN EVERYONES WAY, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT> TO DO ANY MORE, I'D GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ME AGAIN.> THANKS FOR LISTEN>> MUCH LOVE> CARY >>>>>>>>> I'm just going to vent!!! I don't know> where my life went...I guess to hypohell! All I do all day is lay> around on my fat rear and watch tv and mess around on the computer> when I feel up to it. This has been like this for at least a year> and I just hate myself for it. I feel lazy and depressed so often> and I can really relate to those of you who talk about the> depression and suicidal thoughts. I can't wait until it's time to go> to sleep every night but I can't sleep these days unless I take> Ambien or Lunesta. I know they're addictive but if I don't sleep I> think I would kill myself! I won't end my life because I have a 7> yr. old but I feel so bad that I don't spend time with him and I am> angry a lot. I am hoping that I will get better with the meds and> after all my tests are done. Okay....I'm done venting. Thanks for> listening and understanding. I used to have my own business and had> a lot of friends, volunteered at my son's school, etc. The days are> > sooo long! I miss having a purpose in life.> > > > Tammy> > ------------------------------------------> > Tammy:> > > > Yes. I don't have a life either. I suppose I try to look at the> bright side...and keep going. Its been 20 months for me. I was> 38...and now I'm gonna be 41.> > Very hard to think about. > > > > What dose are ya doing? What do the labs look like? I'm still> tweaking and that takes a lot of patience.> > > > Warmest Regards,> > > > ~E:) > > > > > > > >> >> >

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that if the Docs would stop under treating Thyroid problems we could all get our lives back without anti-depressants.. which right now I am on to and would rather not be but it has made a lot of difference.

Cody

Re: Re: Does Anyone Else Not Have A Life???

I felt that way 2 and half months ago and had to go on antidepressants, at first I was scared but they have made the wortd of difference. Maybe you should consider it.Hugs and loveDeanacarolina_girl4life wrote:> I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'M 24 I USE TO BE SO> FULL OF LIFE AND I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, BUT I'VE PUSHED SO MANY> PEOPLE AWAY, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JUST GIVEING UP, I FEEL SO> WORTHLESS AND LIKE I'M AWAYS IN EVERYONES WAY, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT> TO DO ANY MORE, I'D GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ME AGAIN.> THANKS FOR LISTEN>> MUCH LOVE> CARY >>>>>>>>> I'm just going to vent!!! I don't know> where my life went...I guess to hypohell! All I do all day is lay> around on my fat rear and watch tv and mess around on the computer> when I feel up to it. This has been like this for at least a year> and I just hate myself for it. I feel lazy and depressed so often> and I can really relate to those of you who talk about the> depression and suicidal thoughts. I can't wait until it's time to go> to sleep every night but I can't sleep these days unless I take> Ambien or Lunesta. I know they're addictive but if I don't sleep I> think I would kill myself! I won't end my life because I have a 7> yr. old but I feel so bad that I don't spend time with him and I am> angry a lot. I am hoping that I will get better with the meds and> after all my tests are done. Okay....I'm done venting. Thanks for> listening and understanding. I used to have my own business and had> a lot of friends, volunteered at my son's school, etc. The days are> > sooo long! I miss having a purpose in life.> > > > Tammy> > ------------------------------------------> > Tammy:> > > > Yes. I don't have a life either. I suppose I try to look at the> bright side...and keep going. Its been 20 months for me. I was> 38...and now I'm gonna be 41.> > Very hard to think about. > > > > What dose are ya doing? What do the labs look like? I'm still> tweaking and that takes a lot of patience.> > > > Warmest Regards,> > > > ~E:) > > > > > > > >> >> >

[Guest guest]

The point thryofeisty was making is that prozac contains an ANTI-THYROID formula. Many other anti-depressents, anti anxiety medicines do not...so they might be a better choice for the folks who have impaired thryoid fuction.

There are actually a lot of natural things one can do to help themsleves too.

A book by Ross called "Mood Cures" is chockerblock full of great info on this.

I bought it...since I'm as miserable as they come. I found it to have some very encouraging tips. It even addressed the thryoid angle.

~E:)

WHAT'S YOUR POINT E??? Hah...A lot of natural things? When you're real depressed those natural things like SamE and 5HTP just don't do it. I don't care what book you're quoting it's 'ALL ABOUT THE WAY YOU FEEL'.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

The point thryofeisty was making is that prozac contains an ANTI-THYROID formula. Many other anti-depressents, anti anxiety medicines do not...so they might be a better choice for the folks who have impaired thryoid fuction.

There are actually a lot of natural things one can do to help themsleves too.

A book by Ross called "Mood Cures" is chockerblock full of great info on this.

I bought it...since I'm as miserable as they come. I found it to have some very encouraging tips. It even addressed the thryoid angle.

~E:)

WHAT'S YOUR POINT E??? Hah...A lot of natural things? When you're real depressed those natural things like SamE and 5HTP just don't do it. I don't care what book you're quoting it's 'ALL ABOUT THE WAY YOU FEEL'.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

The point thryofeisty was making is that prozac contains an ANTI-THYROID formula. Many other anti-depressents, anti anxiety medicines do not...so they might be a better choice for the folks who have impaired thryoid fuction.

There are actually a lot of natural things one can do to help themsleves too.

A book by Ross called "Mood Cures" is chockerblock full of great info on this.

I bought it...since I'm as miserable as they come. I found it to have some very encouraging tips. It even addressed the thryoid angle.

~E:)

WHAT'S YOUR POINT E??? Hah...A lot of natural things? When you're real depressed those natural things like SamE and 5HTP just don't do it. I don't care what book you're quoting it's 'ALL ABOUT THE WAY YOU FEEL'.

Tammy

[Guest guest]

Just a word of caution on anti-depressants.....

quite a few have adverse effects on the thyroid... Prozac especially.... That has flouride..

Also so much of depression, anxiety, bi-polar and even disorders are related to thyroid issues.

My article on depression and thyroid is on our website: www.thyrophoenix.com

Even though my armour dosages are still not optimal for me, my life-long clinical( and often suicidal)depression has eased so much, a 180 degree change...and I have been off anti-depressants for quite awhile.They would work only awhile for me, befoire they needed to be changed...

btw, my pants still are too long....

hugs

Feisty

Re: Re: Does Anyone Else Not Have A Life???

I felt that way 2 and half months ago and had to go on antidepressants, at first I was scared but they have made the wortd of difference. Maybe you should consider it.Hugs and loveDeanacarolina_girl4life wrote:> I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'M 24 I USE TO BE SO> FULL OF LIFE AND I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, BUT I'VE PUSHED SO MANY> PEOPLE AWAY, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JUST GIVEING UP, I FEEL SO> WORTHLESS AND LIKE I'M AWAYS IN EVERYONES WAY, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT> TO DO ANY MORE, I'D GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ME AGAIN.> THANKS FOR LISTEN>> MUCH LOVE> CARY >>>>>>>>> I'm just going to vent!!! I don't know> where my life went...I guess to hypohell! All I do all day is lay> around on my fat rear and watch tv and mess around on the computer> when I feel up to it. This has been like this for at least a year> and I just hate myself for it. I feel lazy and depressed so often> and I can really relate to those of you who talk about the> depression and suicidal thoughts. I can't wait until it's time to go> to sleep every night but I can't sleep these days unless I take> Ambien or Lunesta. I know they're addictive but if I don't sleep I> think I would kill myself! I won't end my life because I have a 7> yr. old but I feel so bad that I don't spend time with him and I am> angry a lot. I am hoping that I will get better with the meds and> after all my tests are done. Okay....I'm done venting. Thanks for> listening and understanding. I used to have my own business and had> a lot of friends, volunteered at my son's school, etc. The days are> > sooo long! I miss having a purpose in life.> > > > Tammy> > ------------------------------------------> > Tammy:> > > > Yes. I don't have a life either. I suppose I try to look at the> bright side...and keep going. Its been 20 months for me. I was> 38...and now I'm gonna be 41.> > Very hard to think about. > > > > What dose are ya doing? What do the labs look like? I'm still> tweaking and that takes a lot of patience.> > > > Warmest Regards,> > > > ~E:) > > > > > > > >> >> >

[Guest guest]

Just a word of caution on anti-depressants.....

quite a few have adverse effects on the thyroid... Prozac especially.... That has flouride..

Also so much of depression, anxiety, bi-polar and even disorders are related to thyroid issues.

My article on depression and thyroid is on our website: www.thyrophoenix.com

Even though my armour dosages are still not optimal for me, my life-long clinical( and often suicidal)depression has eased so much, a 180 degree change...and I have been off anti-depressants for quite awhile.They would work only awhile for me, befoire they needed to be changed...

btw, my pants still are too long....

hugs

Feisty

Re: Re: Does Anyone Else Not Have A Life???

I felt that way 2 and half months ago and had to go on antidepressants, at first I was scared but they have made the wortd of difference. Maybe you should consider it.Hugs and loveDeanacarolina_girl4life wrote:> I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'M 24 I USE TO BE SO> FULL OF LIFE AND I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, BUT I'VE PUSHED SO MANY> PEOPLE AWAY, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JUST GIVEING UP, I FEEL SO> WORTHLESS AND LIKE I'M AWAYS IN EVERYONES WAY, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT> TO DO ANY MORE, I'D GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ME AGAIN.> THANKS FOR LISTEN>> MUCH LOVE> CARY >>>>>>>>> I'm just going to vent!!! I don't know> where my life went...I guess to hypohell! All I do all day is lay> around on my fat rear and watch tv and mess around on the computer> when I feel up to it. This has been like this for at least a year> and I just hate myself for it. I feel lazy and depressed so often> and I can really relate to those of you who talk about the> depression and suicidal thoughts. I can't wait until it's time to go> to sleep every night but I can't sleep these days unless I take> Ambien or Lunesta. I know they're addictive but if I don't sleep I> think I would kill myself! I won't end my life because I have a 7> yr. old but I feel so bad that I don't spend time with him and I am> angry a lot. I am hoping that I will get better with the meds and> after all my tests are done. Okay....I'm done venting. Thanks for> listening and understanding. I used to have my own business and had> a lot of friends, volunteered at my son's school, etc. The days are> > sooo long! I miss having a purpose in life.> > > > Tammy> > ------------------------------------------> > Tammy:> > > > Yes. I don't have a life either. I suppose I try to look at the> bright side...and keep going. Its been 20 months for me. I was> 38...and now I'm gonna be 41.> > Very hard to think about. > > > > What dose are ya doing? What do the labs look like? I'm still> tweaking and that takes a lot of patience.> > > > Warmest Regards,> > > > ~E:) > > > > > > > >> >> >

[Guest guest]

Just a word of caution on anti-depressants.....

quite a few have adverse effects on the thyroid... Prozac especially.... That has flouride..

Also so much of depression, anxiety, bi-polar and even disorders are related to thyroid issues.

My article on depression and thyroid is on our website: www.thyrophoenix.com

Even though my armour dosages are still not optimal for me, my life-long clinical( and often suicidal)depression has eased so much, a 180 degree change...and I have been off anti-depressants for quite awhile.They would work only awhile for me, befoire they needed to be changed...

btw, my pants still are too long....

hugs

Feisty

Re: Re: Does Anyone Else Not Have A Life???

I felt that way 2 and half months ago and had to go on antidepressants, at first I was scared but they have made the wortd of difference. Maybe you should consider it.Hugs and loveDeanacarolina_girl4life wrote:> I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS FEEL I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I'M 24 I USE TO BE SO> FULL OF LIFE AND I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS, BUT I'VE PUSHED SO MANY> PEOPLE AWAY, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JUST GIVEING UP, I FEEL SO> WORTHLESS AND LIKE I'M AWAYS IN EVERYONES WAY, I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT> TO DO ANY MORE, I'D GIVE ANYTHING TO BE ME AGAIN.> THANKS FOR LISTEN>> MUCH LOVE> CARY >>>>>>>>> I'm just going to vent!!! I don't know> where my life went...I guess to hypohell! All I do all day is lay> around on my fat rear and watch tv and mess around on the computer> when I feel up to it. This has been like this for at least a year> and I just hate myself for it. I feel lazy and depressed so often> and I can really relate to those of you who talk about the> depression and suicidal thoughts. I can't wait until it's time to go> to sleep every night but I can't sleep these days unless I take> Ambien or Lunesta. I know they're addictive but if I don't sleep I> think I would kill myself! I won't end my life because I have a 7> yr. old but I feel so bad that I don't spend time with him and I am> angry a lot. I am hoping that I will get better with the meds and> after all my tests are done. Okay....I'm done venting. Thanks for> listening and understanding. I used to have my own business and had> a lot of friends, volunteered at my son's school, etc. The days are> > sooo long! I miss having a purpose in life.> > > > Tammy> > ------------------------------------------> > Tammy:> > > > Yes. I don't have a life either. I suppose I try to look at the> bright side...and keep going. Its been 20 months for me. I was> 38...and now I'm gonna be 41.> > Very hard to think about. > > > > What dose are ya doing? What do the labs look like? I'm still> tweaking and that takes a lot of patience.> > > > Warmest Regards,> > > > ~E:) > > > > > > > >> >> >

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hate 2 say this but I a'm glad that others feel as bad as I do,I thought only I felt this bad....hate to ask this but does anyone else have problems with constipation.....not to be funny but i can only go twice a month, and I need to take at least 2 naps a day or I cant function,I take my medicine and still feel awful and my test results were normal last they took labs. Mark & Nan Cowin wrote: ...I want my life back, Iwant to be who I used to physically and mentally! I am so tired ofbeing sick and tired and feeling poopy all the time!! Just wantedyou to know that you are definetly not alone!I completely agree... for 5 years I have been sick and tired and lost friends because I had nothing to say on the phone.... and was tired physically and mentally..

No, I didn't want to go snowshoing, because I would be out of breath, it would be too cold, and it wouldn't be any fun because I couldn't keep up... I used to work on a ski hill for goodness sake~! now I hate winter. Thank god for electric blankets and fireplaces..Anyway,, just want to add a small Ray of Hope.. for what its worth... since adding cytomel to the mix of dessicated thyroid, I seem to be getting back more of "Me" . or maybe a different me, one that is finally doing something she wants to do, and apparently am doing ok at it, as I have been asked to teach in two different places.. wow. to think I can actually think on a regular basis. Absolutely cannot afford to have brain fog now!!! I am still not ok for a whole week at a time. But even a couple days a week is better than before. I am hopeful that more will come/ .. It does wear me out, and am trying to be conscious of not

overdoing it.. still not fixed.. yet, but at least better than before. And that is saying a heck of a lot.take care of yourselves..Nan

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hate 2 say this but I a'm glad that others feel as bad as I do,I thought only I felt this bad....hate to ask this but does anyone else have problems with constipation.....not to be funny but i can only go twice a month, and I need to take at least 2 naps a day or I cant function,I take my medicine and still feel awful and my test results were normal last they took labs. Mark & Nan Cowin wrote: ...I want my life back, Iwant to be who I used to physically and mentally! I am so tired ofbeing sick and tired and feeling poopy all the time!! Just wantedyou to know that you are definetly not alone!I completely agree... for 5 years I have been sick and tired and lost friends because I had nothing to say on the phone.... and was tired physically and mentally..

No, I didn't want to go snowshoing, because I would be out of breath, it would be too cold, and it wouldn't be any fun because I couldn't keep up... I used to work on a ski hill for goodness sake~! now I hate winter. Thank god for electric blankets and fireplaces..Anyway,, just want to add a small Ray of Hope.. for what its worth... since adding cytomel to the mix of dessicated thyroid, I seem to be getting back more of "Me" . or maybe a different me, one that is finally doing something she wants to do, and apparently am doing ok at it, as I have been asked to teach in two different places.. wow. to think I can actually think on a regular basis. Absolutely cannot afford to have brain fog now!!! I am still not ok for a whole week at a time. But even a couple days a week is better than before. I am hopeful that more will come/ .. It does wear me out, and am trying to be conscious of not

overdoing it.. still not fixed.. yet, but at least better than before. And that is saying a heck of a lot.take care of yourselves..Nan

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It does make you feel good when you know you're not the only one...misery loves company or something like that, but I always took that phrase negatively, and now, I rather see the point of it. Constipation is definitely a sign of hypothyroid, I didn't even know it wasn't normal until I started taking Synthroid, and all once, was going more than once a day, not constipated, just normal, and I was like WOW and then it normalized to once a day, and I must say, it's so nice to go to the bathroom and actually GO. LOL!!! Ask Topper for her cupcake recipe or whatever that was, it was posted recently and said something about it helping with that. I was also taking naps, at least one a day, until just this last week, and now I'm all at once able to stay awake all day and not feel like falling over, so that's a good thing, and it is letting me know I'm at least getting on the right track to being better. What meds are you on, if any? Lab results?

hate 2 say this but I a'm glad that others feel as bad as I do,I thought only I felt this bad....hate to ask this

but does anyone else have problems with constipation.....not to be funny but i can only go twice a month,

and I need to take at least 2 naps a day or I cant function,I take my medicine and still feel awful and my test results were normal last they took labs. Mark & Nan Cowin <

bogey@...> wrote:

....I want my life back, Iwant to be who I used to physically and mentally! I am so tired ofbeing sick and tired and feeling poopy all the time!! Just wanted

you to know that you are definetly not alone!I completely agree... for 5 years I have been sick and tired and lost friends because I had nothing to say on the phone.... and was tired physically and mentally.. No, I didn't want to go snowshoing, because I would be out of breath, it would be too cold, and it wouldn't be any fun because I couldn't keep up... I used to work on a ski hill for goodness sake~! now I hate winter. Thank god for electric blankets and fireplaces..

Anyway,, just want to add a small Ray of Hope.. for what its worth... since adding cytomel to the mix of dessicated thyroid, I seem to be getting back more of " Me " . or maybe a different me, one that is finally doing something she wants to do, and apparently am doing ok at it, as I have been asked to teach in two different places.. wow. to think I can actually think on a regular basis. Absolutely cannot afford to have brain fog now!!! I am still not ok for a whole week at a time. But even a couple days a week is better than before. I am hopeful that more will come/ .. It does wear me out, and am trying to be conscious of not overdoing it.. still not fixed.. yet, but at least better than before. And that is saying a heck of a lot.take care of yourselves..Nan

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It does make you feel good when you know you're not the only one...misery loves company or something like that, but I always took that phrase negatively, and now, I rather see the point of it. Constipation is definitely a sign of hypothyroid, I didn't even know it wasn't normal until I started taking Synthroid, and all once, was going more than once a day, not constipated, just normal, and I was like WOW and then it normalized to once a day, and I must say, it's so nice to go to the bathroom and actually GO. LOL!!! Ask Topper for her cupcake recipe or whatever that was, it was posted recently and said something about it helping with that. I was also taking naps, at least one a day, until just this last week, and now I'm all at once able to stay awake all day and not feel like falling over, so that's a good thing, and it is letting me know I'm at least getting on the right track to being better. What meds are you on, if any? Lab results?

hate 2 say this but I a'm glad that others feel as bad as I do,I thought only I felt this bad....hate to ask this

but does anyone else have problems with constipation.....not to be funny but i can only go twice a month,

and I need to take at least 2 naps a day or I cant function,I take my medicine and still feel awful and my test results were normal last they took labs. Mark & Nan Cowin <

bogey@...> wrote:

....I want my life back, Iwant to be who I used to physically and mentally! I am so tired ofbeing sick and tired and feeling poopy all the time!! Just wanted

you to know that you are definetly not alone!I completely agree... for 5 years I have been sick and tired and lost friends because I had nothing to say on the phone.... and was tired physically and mentally.. No, I didn't want to go snowshoing, because I would be out of breath, it would be too cold, and it wouldn't be any fun because I couldn't keep up... I used to work on a ski hill for goodness sake~! now I hate winter. Thank god for electric blankets and fireplaces..

Anyway,, just want to add a small Ray of Hope.. for what its worth... since adding cytomel to the mix of dessicated thyroid, I seem to be getting back more of " Me " . or maybe a different me, one that is finally doing something she wants to do, and apparently am doing ok at it, as I have been asked to teach in two different places.. wow. to think I can actually think on a regular basis. Absolutely cannot afford to have brain fog now!!! I am still not ok for a whole week at a time. But even a couple days a week is better than before. I am hopeful that more will come/ .. It does wear me out, and am trying to be conscious of not overdoing it.. still not fixed.. yet, but at least better than before. And that is saying a heck of a lot.take care of yourselves..Nan

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tammyco5@... wrote: Just a word of caution on anti-depressants..... quite a few have adverse effects on the thyroid... Prozac especially.... That has flouride.. Also so much of depression, anxiety, bi-polar and even disorders are related to thyroid

issues. But....sometimes we need antidepressants to get through our lives...at least until we're properly treated. Sometimes they can be literally lifesavers. I agree that there are a lot of side effects but every med has side effects including over the counter meds. It's such a fine line and again we are all individuals and there are some people that have not wanted to take an antidepressant because of the label or status it would put on them and they end up taking their life. Just something to think about. Tammy ------------------------------------------------------ Tammy: The point thryofeisty was making is that prozac contains an ANTI-THYROID formula. Many other anti-depressents, anti anxiety medicines do not...so they

might be a better choice for the folks who have impaired thryoid fuction. There are actually a lot of natural things one can do to help themsleves too. A book by Ross called "Mood Cures" is chockerblock full of great info on this. I bought it...since I'm as miserable as they come. I found it to have some very encouraging tips. It even addressed the thryoid angle. ~E:)

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tammyco5@... wrote: Just a word of caution on anti-depressants..... quite a few have adverse effects on the thyroid... Prozac especially.... That has flouride.. Also so much of depression, anxiety, bi-polar and even disorders are related to thyroid

issues. But....sometimes we need antidepressants to get through our lives...at least until we're properly treated. Sometimes they can be literally lifesavers. I agree that there are a lot of side effects but every med has side effects including over the counter meds. It's such a fine line and again we are all individuals and there are some people that have not wanted to take an antidepressant because of the label or status it would put on them and they end up taking their life. Just something to think about. Tammy ------------------------------------------------------ Tammy: The point thryofeisty was making is that prozac contains an ANTI-THYROID formula. Many other anti-depressents, anti anxiety medicines do not...so they

might be a better choice for the folks who have impaired thryoid fuction. There are actually a lot of natural things one can do to help themsleves too. A book by Ross called "Mood Cures" is chockerblock full of great info on this. I bought it...since I'm as miserable as they come. I found it to have some very encouraging tips. It even addressed the thryoid angle. ~E:)

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tammyco5@... wrote: Just a word of caution on anti-depressants..... quite a few have adverse effects on the thyroid... Prozac especially.... That has flouride.. Also so much of depression, anxiety, bi-polar and even disorders are related to thyroid

issues. But....sometimes we need antidepressants to get through our lives...at least until we're properly treated. Sometimes they can be literally lifesavers. I agree that there are a lot of side effects but every med has side effects including over the counter meds. It's such a fine line and again we are all individuals and there are some people that have not wanted to take an antidepressant because of the label or status it would put on them and they end up taking their life. Just something to think about. Tammy ------------------------------------------------------ Tammy: The point thryofeisty was making is that prozac contains an ANTI-THYROID formula. Many other anti-depressents, anti anxiety medicines do not...so they

might be a better choice for the folks who have impaired thryoid fuction. There are actually a lot of natural things one can do to help themsleves too. A book by Ross called "Mood Cures" is chockerblock full of great info on this. I bought it...since I'm as miserable as they come. I found it to have some very encouraging tips. It even addressed the thryoid angle. ~E:)

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--- maria marinesi wrote:

> hate 2 say this but I a'm glad that others feel as

> bad as I do,I thought only I felt this bad....hate

> to ask this

> but does anyone else have problems with

> constipation.....not to be funny but i can only go

> twice a month,

> and I need to take at least 2 naps a day or I cant

> function,I take my medicine and still feel awful and

> my test results were normal last they took labs.

>

Constipation is a BIG problem with hypothyroid. Just

ask Topper. I used to get bouts of consitpation and

they are miserable, but I could usually go every few

days, never longer than a week without until I had an

incarcerated hernia and needed emergency surgery.

It's an indication that you need meds or more meds

than you are taking. Adding high fiber foods to your

regular diet will help too. Topper has some good

recipes that incorporate oatmeal for the fiber to help

with that sort of stuff.

Kathy >^,,^<

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tammyco5@... wrote: The point thryofeisty was making is that prozac contains an ANTI-THYROID formula. Many other anti-depressents, anti anxiety medicines do not...so they might be a better choice for the folks who have impaired thryoid fuction. There are actually a lot of natural things one can do to help themsleves too. A book by Ross called "Mood Cures" is

chockerblock full of great info on this. I bought it...since I'm as miserable as they come. I found it to have some very encouraging tips. It even addressed the thryoid angle. ~E:) WHAT'S YOUR POINT E??? Hah...A lot of natural things? When you're real depressed those natural things like SamE and 5HTP just don't do it. I don't care what book you're quoting it's 'ALL ABOUT THE WAY YOU FEEL'. Tammy -------------------------------------------------- Tammy: A couple people have attempted to provide information to you and instead of being graceful and appreciative, you have taken swipes. Why do you feel the need to do that when people are reaching out to you from the kindness of thier hearts? ~E:)

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tammyco5@... wrote: The point thryofeisty was making is that prozac contains an ANTI-THYROID formula. Many other anti-depressents, anti anxiety medicines do not...so they might be a better choice for the folks who have impaired thryoid fuction. There are actually a lot of natural things one can do to help themsleves too. A book by Ross called "Mood Cures" is

chockerblock full of great info on this. I bought it...since I'm as miserable as they come. I found it to have some very encouraging tips. It even addressed the thryoid angle. ~E:) WHAT'S YOUR POINT E??? Hah...A lot of natural things? When you're real depressed those natural things like SamE and 5HTP just don't do it. I don't care what book you're quoting it's 'ALL ABOUT THE WAY YOU FEEL'. Tammy -------------------------------------------------- Tammy: A couple people have attempted to provide information to you and instead of being graceful and appreciative, you have taken swipes. Why do you feel the need to do that when people are reaching out to you from the kindness of thier hearts? ~E:)

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You keep bugging them, Jane... it's your life and you're learning more about thyroid care now than most docs know.. don't let them blow you off.....

Weight.... I was hyper from puberty on... when I got into body building to lose weight, cuz everyone said that I was fat, even the insurance company wouldn't give me life insurance cuz they said that I was 'grossly obese'... well, that's when I had the BMI done at my club. To see how fat I was and how much I had to lose.... they took the test several times... cuz it just seemed to be wrong.... It consistently showed 21 percent body fat... for a woman my age, under 20 was considered underweight.... There I was after five years of lifting weights... driving trucks for a living, grossly obese at the weight I'd held steady for over three years, 277. Yet I didn't have any body fat that I could lose, without losing the my bodies natural backup store.... So I told the insurance company to stuff it. I didn't work all those years to build up my strength and feel good about myself to have them tell me that... get this.. we did the math...and to lose enough to fit the insurance companies charts... I would have to drop 60 pounds of muscle, along with the corresponding fat, to get that low.... Now, c'mon... I'm not giving up 60 pounds of muscle....

Sad part is that it wasn't that much later that my body went into storm and I lost 40 pounds in thirty days.... all fat... I looked horrid.. bones sticking out.... My boss noticed it first, ordering me new uniforms... but when I went to the doc, what does he say? That I needed to lose weight... that I was 'too fat to be sick' That arse actually put that in my chart... 'too fat to be sick' he didn't bother testing.. .just told me to go home...

That's why I'm so persistent with saying not to give up... not to settle for them telling you there is nothing wrong, or that it's all in your head... see, that's what I did..... and it nearly cost me my life.... then, as if I hadn't been dumb enough with that... I went the next ten years.... getting sicker and sicker after my RAI as the docs told me that it was all in my head, that my levels were just fine, that the dose that I as on was the largest that was made, so they couldn't give me anymore..... all the way up through losing my house, and my car and my sense of self...... and then even needing crutches to walk... all the time being told that my symptoms were imagined (200 pound weight gain?) inability to do my job, lack of initiative to care for my home, inability to walk (which was blamed on my being fat, btw) on my own...... and I believed it all.

What changed? Well, no job, no insurance, no money.... I had no meds and couldn't see a doc to get more.... I reached the point where I was so bad that I would go to bed at night thinking that I'd just finally stop breathing and wouldn't wake up...... so... out of desperation I went and ordered my own meds and started taking it on my own... I'd read about natural thyroid and that is what I tried...

A little over three years later.... no more crutches, body temp up, heart rate and respiration normal, chronic pain gone.... and a zillion other improvements..... All from learning how....

Imagine if I'd had a doc that knew what to do and I'd not gotten so sick....? I'd still have my house... I'd still have a life..... but..... I wouldn't be here... or know all of you.... mixed blessings, cuz I have met you guys!

Hard to believe that the best thing to happen in my life was that I hit so far down on 'rock bottom' that I struck out in pure desperation and learned how to do it RIGHT myself..... I'd probably be wheel chair bound by now, if not bed ridden, if I'd kept going to those same dumb docs.

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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 05:56:16 -0000 "rjane1955" writes:

I was in therapy cuz I wondered if there was something psychological about me not being able to get much done. Just before finding I had this thyroid stuff, I was telling my docs that I felt like I have brain damage. Doing a housework task has felt like giving me a calculus test. I had a short spurt one day where I had that sense of housework being an easy thing. That's been my major complaint, and weight that won't come off. Except, May '04 at my physical I had lost 40 lbs since the physical the year before. I don't own a scale so I don't know when I lost it - a month, or months or the whole year. But I hadn't exercised at all and was eating worse. For 7 yrs I exercised every other day, got cardio up to where it was to be, for an hour to an hour and a half, then did weights, 7 yrs, every other day, and only lost 20 lbs. People said I was putting on muscle, but I was above 200 and that's a lot of muscle ! The time I found out I lost 40 lbs was about the time the brain damage feel was happening. Doc would look at thyroid levels and they were in normal, so didn't take it further. They still were in the normal range just before the TT. If I read the pathology report correctly, of the tangerine sized lobes, cancer was throughout it all. Thyroid scan showed large cold areas and a small hyper area. I plan on bugging docs with my thyroid levels till I no longer feel like I have brain damage. I hope to get my brain back. I really want my brain back. jane

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Tammy... the point is one that we stress here a lot, actually. Learn how to care for your body, learn how to take care of your body now that your thyroid can no longer do it for you. Find what you can do to help your body function normally by dealing with the messed up thyroid function and get things working correctly on their own.

Way too many of us rely, or used to rely, on drugs to get by.... look at me. Since I know be better than anyone else. I had chronic pain. That was the direction my body went when it didn't have enough thyroid hormone to work right.... I'm talking pain that makes you tear, pain that makes you sit in a chair and consider just how BAD you had to pee before it justified the pain involved with standing up and, heaven forbid, walking down the hall AND sitting down on the toilet..... and if that wasn't bad enough.. then I had to get up and walk back here.

I would sit here at night... so exhausted that I could just throw up.... but dreading the walk of about fifteen feet, to cross the hall and go to bed... and not so much for the walk but that because even sleeping hurt... I often work up in more pain in the morning that I had when I went to bed at night.

I was popping 20 and 30 Ibuprophen at a time... not a day... at a time, often two or three times a day, day after day, week after week, month after month... just in an attempt to get the pain squashed enough to not scream.

I went that way for years. Dealing with what was wrong with me.. thinking that was my lot in life.... You learn to deal with it, right?

Imagine my surprise... just imagine my joy...when that pain started to subside when I started self treating.... no, I'm not saying self treating was the answer.... I'm saying that when my body started getting the right hormone... my body wasn't processing the synthetic correctly... it was starved for hormone and suddenly it was getting what it needed....

Now... less pain... I was sleeping better... not good yet, but better than before.... hurt was still there, but no longer ALL the time....

Skip ahead about six months.... I continued to share my symptoms in group.. those that were lessening, those that clung on..... those that cropped up new... and folks made suggestions... Without going into specific details, a suggestion was made about the timing of my dose and my specific circumstance (zero gland function and suspected VERY poor conversion).

Ready? I changed my timing that night.... In this case it meant postponing my 7 pm, last dose of the day, to taking it at bed time.

I slept like a baby that night. I woke up the next morning....

with absolutely no pain.... none... it was gone.... period...it was gone.. the first time I was in absolutely no pain in so many YEARS that I didn't even know how long it had been.

That is an extremely quick and immediate response...but it was also a very profound one.

I could go on with other symptoms... headaches that lasted weeks... I hardly have headaches anymore... and most of the time one Ibuprophen will make it go completely away.

Hair? My receding hair line as filled in AND my hair has thickened AND I'm no longer losing hair in the shower.

Crying. I used to cry all the time... no kidding... little baby lost his diaper in the commercial, I cried. Cloud goes over the sun, cry. Sun in my eyes, cry. Dropped something on the floor, cry. Show gets preempted on TV, cry. Water glass empty, cry, cuz it meant walking to get more water. Now I cry when there is a reason... no longer all the time.

Agoraphobia is gone.

Fear is gone (fear of everything, task to hard, day to long, work too hard, making a mistake, fear of being afraid)

Having a messed up thyroid can mess up sooooooooo many things in our bodies and our minds. One of the things that is common is depression... it's one of the very classic symptoms of both low and high levels of thyroid hormone.

Taking a med to control that depression is one way to handle it....

but... consider this..... if the med is only masking the depression and not dealing with the cause

....if the med is actually harming the thyroid level abnormalities and causing the root cause of the depression to be even more pronounced.....

is that TRULY what you want to do?

Explore options... quite a few of the others here already have... finding drugs that help with the depression without making the thyroid issues worse... and then as the thyroid issues are addressed, levels optimize and the brain starts getting the thyroid hormone (T1) that it needs, they find that the time is right to reduce those depression meds and work toward their body being able to function without them.

If you are out on the lake in a boat and it gets a small leak you head to shore.... the next day you want to go out again and the boat still leaks... but this time you brought a cup to bail it out, but the hole is bigger and you end up having to go back to shore.... The next day you want to go out again but take a bucket.. the bucket does the job... you can keep the boat bailed out and keep it from sinking by using the bucket..... but you don't get to do much else but keep track of the water and bail.

Or you can fix the leak.

Which works better for you? Medicating one symptom or dealing with the root cause of the symptoms? Getting a bigger bucket or a patch kit?

You got angry, defending yourself.. that shows just how desperate you are to feel better, that you want to protect what is working for you now.... that's good....... Take the anger, focus it, find a way that works better, not just for the depression.. but for all the other symptoms too..... It's surprising how much better you feel when you can start doing more stuff.. when you WANT to do more things, not just work.. but fun things.... like going out on a boat.....

*shy smile*

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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:01:34 EST tammyco5@... writes:

WHAT'S YOUR POINT E??? Hah...A lot of natural things? When you're real depressed those natural things like SamE and 5HTP just don't do it. I don't care what book you're quoting it's 'ALL ABOUT THE WAY YOU FEEL'.

Tammy